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* PseudocanonicalFic: An interesting example, in that whether the original work which declared her Adam's first wife was meant to be a raunchy {{Satire}}[=/=]StealthParody or an unintentionally erotic {{Anvilicious}} morality tale, it still managed to somehow get away with quite a bit of sex and borderline heresy by not quite contradicting scripture and invoking at least the pretense of being a morality tale.
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* FairForItsDay: Her most widely known origin story was, once again, written in the Early Middle Ages. Keep in mind that women didn't have as many rights back then as they did even in the mid-1800s, so this trope is naturally par for the course.
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* FairForItsDay: Her most widely known origin story was, once again, written in the Early Middle Ages. Keep in mind that women didn't have as many rights back then as they did even in the mid-1800s, so this trope is naturally par for the course.
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* ValuesDissonance: The most popular origin story was penned when women were still very much subservient to men. Should the story have been written down in the late 20th century, she would have gotten a pat on the back for being rather independent (rapes of men and murders of children aside, that is).
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* AuthorTract: The book is very much an explication of Macdonald's beliefs about God and the afterlife, which had gotten him into some trouble in his earlier career as a pastor. For the most part there's too much fantasy adventuring going on for it to be obvious, but characters do break into lectures now and again.
* ValuesResonance: While modern westerners generally see the myth of Lilith as misogynistic for the reasons mentioned above, Macdonald's version softens this considerably and is even rather progressive for 1895. In contrast to his demand for subservience in the myth, here Adam simply says they broke up because "I would love and honor you, but not obey and worship you." And in fact, Vane plots to replace her with a different female ruler, who accompanies him into battle, while Mara turns out to be more powerful than both of them. Lilith's lustiness is also greatly downplayed, so the SexIsEvil implications disappear.
!!The novel:
* AuthorTract: The book is very much an explication of Macdonald's beliefs about God and the afterlife, which had gotten him into some trouble in his earlier career as a pastor. For the most part there's too much fantasy adventuring going on for it to be obvious, but characters do break into lectures now and again.
* ValuesResonance: While modern westerners generally see the myth of Lilith as misogynistic for the reasons mentioned above, Macdonald's version softens this considerably and is even rather progressive for 1895. In contrast to his demand for subservience in the myth, here Adam simply says they broke up because "I would love and honor you, but not obey and worship you." And in fact, Vane plots to replace her with a different female ruler, who accompanies him into battle, while Mara turns out to be more powerful than both of them. Lilith's lustiness is also greatly downplayed, so the SexIsEvil implications disappear.
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* ValuesDissonance: The most popular origin story was penned when women were still very much subservient to men. Should the story have been written down in the late 20th century, she would have gotten a pat on the back for being rather independent (rapes of men and murders of children aside, that is).
!!The novel:
* AuthorTract: The book is very much an explication of Macdonald's beliefs about God and the afterlife, which had gotten him into some trouble in his earlier career as a pastor. For the most part there's too much fantasy adventuring going on for it to be obvious, but characters do break into lectures now and again.
* ValuesResonance: While modern westerners generally see the myth of Lilith as misogynistic for the reasons mentioned above, Macdonald's version softens this considerably and is even rather progressive for 1895. In contrast to his demand for subservience in the myth, here Adam simply says they broke up because "I would love and honor you, but not obey and worship you." And in fact, Vane plots to replace her with a different female ruler, who accompanies him into battle, while Mara turns out to be more powerful than both of them. Lilith's lustiness is also greatly downplayed, so the SexIsEvil implications disappear.is).
!!The novel:
* AuthorTract: The book is very much an explication of Macdonald's beliefs about God and the afterlife, which had gotten him into some trouble in his earlier career as a pastor. For the most part there's too much fantasy adventuring going on for it to be obvious, but characters do break into lectures now and again.
* ValuesResonance: While modern westerners generally see the myth of Lilith as misogynistic for the reasons mentioned above, Macdonald's version softens this considerably and is even rather progressive for 1895. In contrast to his demand for subservience in the myth, here Adam simply says they broke up because "I would love and honor you, but not obey and worship you." And in fact, Vane plots to replace her with a different female ruler, who accompanies him into battle, while Mara turns out to be more powerful than both of them. Lilith's lustiness is also greatly downplayed, so the SexIsEvil implications disappear.
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* ValuesDissonance: The most popular origin story was penned when women were still very much subservient to men. Should the story have been written down in the late 20th century, she would have gotten a pat on the back for being rather independent (rapes of men and murders of children aside, that is).
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* ValuesDissonance: The most popular origin story was penned when women were still very much subservient to men. Should the story have been written down in the late 20th century, she would have gotten a pat on the back for being rather independent (rapes of men and murders of children aside, that is).is).
!!The novel:
*AuthorTract: The book is very much an explication of Macdonald's beliefs about God and the afterlife, which had gotten him into some trouble in his earlier career as a pastor. For the most part there's too much fantasy adventuring going on for it to be obvious, but characters do break into lectures now and again.
*ValuesResonance: While modern westerners generally see the myth of Lilith as misogynistic for the reasons mentioned above, Macdonald's version softens this considerably and is even rather progressive for 1895. In contrast to his demand for subservience in the myth, here Adam simply says they broke up because "I would love and honor you, but not obey and worship you." And in fact, Vane plots to replace her with a different female ruler, who accompanies him into battle, while Mara turns out to be more powerful than both of them. Lilith's lustiness is also greatly downplayed, so the SexIsEvil implications disappear.
!!The novel:
*AuthorTract: The book is very much an explication of Macdonald's beliefs about God and the afterlife, which had gotten him into some trouble in his earlier career as a pastor. For the most part there's too much fantasy adventuring going on for it to be obvious, but characters do break into lectures now and again.
*ValuesResonance: While modern westerners generally see the myth of Lilith as misogynistic for the reasons mentioned above, Macdonald's version softens this considerably and is even rather progressive for 1895. In contrast to his demand for subservience in the myth, here Adam simply says they broke up because "I would love and honor you, but not obey and worship you." And in fact, Vane plots to replace her with a different female ruler, who accompanies him into battle, while Mara turns out to be more powerful than both of them. Lilith's lustiness is also greatly downplayed, so the SexIsEvil implications disappear.
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* PseudocanonicalFic: An interesting example, in that whether the original work which declared her Adam's first wife was meant to be a raunchy {{Satire}}[=/=]StealthParody or an unintentionally erotic {{Anvilicious}} morality tale, it still managed to somehow [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar get away with quite a bit of sex and borderline heresy]] by not quite contradicting scripture and invoking at least the pretense of being a morality tale.
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* PseudocanonicalFic: An interesting example, in that whether the original work which declared her Adam's first wife was meant to be a raunchy {{Satire}}[=/=]StealthParody or an unintentionally erotic {{Anvilicious}} morality tale, it still managed to somehow [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar get away with quite a bit of sex and borderline heresy]] heresy by not quite contradicting scripture and invoking at least the pretense of being a morality tale.
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* FairForItsDay: Her most widely known origin story was, once again, written in the Early Middle Ages. Keep in mind that women didn't have as many rights back then as they did even in the mid-1800s, so this trope is naturally par for the course.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Many Kabbalists were fond to integrate Lilith in their works, but she was specially [[{{Pun}} hot]] among the Jewish communities of 13th century Spain, which was already a laboratory of religious influences. Most of the Kabbalah treatises that expand on her, like the Midrash ABKIR, the ''Treatise on the Left Emanation'' and the Zohar, were either written or popularized there.
* PseudocanonicalFic: An interesting example, in that whether the original work which declared her Adam's first wife was meant to be a raunchy {{Satire}}[=/=]StealthParody or an unintentionally erotic {{Anvilicious}} morality tale, it still managed to somehow [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar get away with quite a bit of sex and borderline heresy]] by not quite contradicting scripture and invoking at least the pretense of being a morality tale.
* ValuesDissonance: The most popular origin story was penned when women were still very much subservient to men. Should the story have been written down in the late 20th century, she would have gotten a pat on the back for being rather independent (rapes of men and murders of children aside, that is).
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Many Kabbalists were fond to integrate Lilith in their works, but she was specially [[{{Pun}} hot]] among the Jewish communities of 13th century Spain, which was already a laboratory of religious influences. Most of the Kabbalah treatises that expand on her, like the Midrash ABKIR, the ''Treatise on the Left Emanation'' and the Zohar, were either written or popularized there.
* PseudocanonicalFic: An interesting example, in that whether the original work which declared her Adam's first wife was meant to be a raunchy {{Satire}}[=/=]StealthParody or an unintentionally erotic {{Anvilicious}} morality tale, it still managed to somehow [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar get away with quite a bit of sex and borderline heresy]] by not quite contradicting scripture and invoking at least the pretense of being a morality tale.
* ValuesDissonance: The most popular origin story was penned when women were still very much subservient to men. Should the story have been written down in the late 20th century, she would have gotten a pat on the back for being rather independent (rapes of men and murders of children aside, that is).
