History YMMV / JackKirby

** As per Lee himself, Kirby was more or less responsible for the Galactus trilogy, his main brief being asking him to come up with a God-like threat on which Kirby expanded and created the Silver Surfer, Galactus and the entire cosmic threat. Likewise, Ego the Living Planet was entirely Kirby as Lee admitted, noting only the latter could come up with a concept like the GeniusLoci (which had precedence in science-fiction but not in superhero fiction).

** On a more contentious and bitter note, Kirby himself pointed out that many of the concepts in the Marvel years were based on the work he did earlier for DC. ComicBook/TheMightyThor, as per Kirby [[https://comicsalliance.com/jack-kirbys-thor/ began in a small DC story]] he did before. The look of Thor in the DC version is more mythologically accurate (in that he has red hair instead of blonde) but the costume look and pattern is quite similar to the Marvel appearance. Likewise, ''ComicBook/ChallengersOfTheUnknown'' which has a quartet of adventurers wearing identical jumpsuits duke out a series of bizarre threats is often seen as a dry-run for ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' although the differences outweigh the similarities in the latter case (the Challengers had no powers unlike the Fantastics, it was a team of four dudes rather than three guys and a girl). This lends credence to the consensus (at least among comics scholars) that Kirby did the lion's share of development in the Marvel years. The Marvel Method of course meant in any case, that he had to have done the most work.

** Not only did Kirby write and draw most of Marvel's early comics but the artists who followed him were directly apprenticed under him or told by the editors to copy his style. So Kirby created the house style in addition to his own work, with the main exception being Creator/SteveDitko (who did ComicBook/DoctorStrange and Franchise/SpiderMan mainly because he couldn't match Kirby's famously productive rate).

* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Not a much as others since there ''are'' good ComicBook/FantasticFour comics after he left, and Walt Simonson's ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' is considered the definitive run. But in terms of certain characters, everyone agrees that ComicBook/{{Galactus}} is never quite the same creation in the hands of other writers than Kirby, and Kirby insisted that he saw Galactus as a character with limited story potential. Likewise, the ComicBook/NewGods in general, and Mister Miracle in particular are rarely as great in other writers hands (though Tom King hopes to correct that).

** On a more contentious and bitter note, Kirby himself pointed out that many of the concepts in the Marvel years were based on the work he did earlier for DC. ComicBook/TheMightyThor, as per Kirby [[https://comicsalliance.com/jack-kirbys-thor/ began in a small DC story]] he did before. The look of Thor in the DC version is more mythologically accurate (in that he has red hair instead of blonde) but the costume look and pattern is quite similar to the Marvel appearance. Likewise, ''ComicBook/ChallengersOfTheUnknown'' which has a quartet of adventurers wearing identical jumpsuits duke out a series of bizarre threats is often seen as a dry-run for ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' although the differences outweigh the similarities in the latter case (the Challengers had no powers unlike the Fantastics, it was a team of four dudes rather than three guys and a girl. This lends credence to the consensus (at least among comics scholars) that Kirby did the lion's share of development in the Marvel years. The Marvel Method of course meant in any case, that he had to have done the most work.

** Creator/MarkHamill himself acknowledged the Franchise/StarWars SpaceOpera was to a great deal foreshadowed by Kirby, and [[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/12/why-jack-kirby-is-probably-the-forgotten-father-of.html more than a few noted that Darth Vader-Luke Skywalker]] are quite similar to Darkseid-Orion and the concepts of the Force is similar to The Source while the quest to bring balance to the Force anticipates Darkseid's quest for the Anti-Life Equation. Vader's costume also looks a great deal like ''ComicBook/DoctorDoom'' with a darker palette [[note]] right down to the armor covering up severe burns [[/note]]. Kirby himself was flattered by the similarities and he merely lamented that the success of Star Wars vindicated his beliefs, over that of his editors, that his concepts and ideas were profitable and commercial.

** Two of Kirby's major comic-book properties (ComicBook/NewGods and ComicBook/TheEternals) created a scenario where between the two races of godlike beings, the good ones were [[TheBeautifulElite mostly beautiful]] and the bad ones were [[{{Gonk}} mostly disgustingly ugly]], something that has come under scrutiny in later years. These aspects are, at least partly, mitigated if one picks up on the various nuances and implied histories of the characters as the series unfolds.

** Two of Kirby's major comic-book properties (ComicBook/NewGods and ComicBook/TheEternals) created a scenario where between the two races of godlike beings, the good ones were [[TheBeautifulElite mostly beautiful]] and the bad ones were [[{{Gonk}} mostly disgustingly ugly]], something that has come under scrutiny in later years.

** Not as much as others, but given Kirby's prominent role in the creation of the Marvel Universe, he has to shoulder at least some of the blame for the sexism in the early adventures of ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' where Susan Storm, the Invisible Woman, was more or less either a prize for alpha male types (Reed, Ben, Namor), a WetBlanketWife for Reed, or a TeamMom. The fact that this lasted for more than a hundred issues meant that the famous group dynamic of the Four had too much baggage for Sue to really break away from her original character. Some scholars argue that Big Barda, certainly Kirby's most beloved female character, was an attempt by him to make up for the sexism from his Marvel years, while others point out that Kirby did work in romance comics and ''could'' write for a female audience. It's also worth mentioning that per the Marvel Method, Kirby is not entirely at fault if Sue came across as a stereotype since dialogue and characterization was mostly handled by Stan Lee.

* ValuesDissonance: Well, not as much as others, but if we consider Kirby the real creator of the Marvel Universe he should take the blame for the fair bit of sexism in the early adventures of ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' where Susan Storm, the Invisible Girl was more or less either a prize for alpha male types (Reed, Ben, Namor), a WetBlanketWife for Reed, or a TeamMom. The fact that this lasted for more than a hundred issues meant that the famous group dynamic of the Four had too much baggage for Sue to really break away from her original character. Some scholars argue that Big Barda, certainly Kirby's most beloved female character, was an attempt by him to make up for the sexism from his Marvel years, while others point out that Kirby did work in romance comics and ''could'' write for a female audience. It's also worth mentioning that per the Marvel Method, Kirby is not entirely at fault if Sue came across as a stereotype since dialogue and characterization was mostly handled by Stan Lee.

** On a more contentious and bitter note, Kirby himself pointed out that many of the concepts in the Marvel years were based on the work he did earlier for DC. ComicBook/TheMightyThor, as per Kirby [[http://www.dorkly.com/post/84742/6-weird-things-about-thors-original-origin-story-nobody-talks-about began in a small DC story]] he did before. The look of Thor in the DC version is more mythologically accurate (in that he has red hair instead of blonde) but the costume look and pattern is quite similar to the Marvel appearance. Likewise, ''ComicBook/ChallengersOfTheUnknown'' which has a quartet of adventurers wearing identical jumpsuits duke out a series of bizarre threats is often seen as a dry-run for ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' although the differences outweigh the similarities in the latter case (the Challengers had no powers unlike the Fantastics, it was a team of four dudes rather than three guys and a girl. This lends credence to the consensus (at least among comics scholars) that Kirby did the lion's share of development in the Marvel years. The Marvel Method of course meant in any case, that he had to have done the most work.

* ValuesDissonance: Well, not as much as others, but if we consider Kirby the real creator of the Marvel Universe he should take the blame for the fair bit of sexism in the early adventures of ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' where Susan Storm, the Invisible Girl was more or less either a prize for alpha male types (Reed, Ben, Namor), a WetBlanketWife for Reed, or a TeamMom. The fact that this lasted for more than a hundred issues meant that the famous group dynamic of the Four had too much baggage for Sue to really break away from her original character. Some scholars argue that Big Barda, certainly Kirby's most beloved female character, was an attempt by him to make up for the sexism from his Marvel years, while others point out that Kirby did work in romance comics and ''could'' write for a female audience.

** On a more contentious and bitter note, Kirby himself pointed out that many of the concepts in the Marvel years were based on the work he did earlier for DC. ComicBook/TheMightyThor, as per Kirby [[http://www.dorkly.com/post/84742/6-weird-things-about-thors-original-origin-story-nobody-talks-about began in a small DC story]] he did before. The look of Thor in the DC version is more mythologically accurate (in that he has red hair instead of blonde) but the costume look and pattern is quite similar to the Marvel appearance. Likewise, ''ComicBook/ChallengersOfTheUnknown'' which has a quartet of adventurers wearing identical jumpsuits duke out a series of bizarre threats is often seen as a dry-run for ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' although the differences outweigh the similarities in the latter case (the Challengers had no powers unlike the Fantastics, it was a team of four dudes rather than three guys and a girl[[note]]Of course during the Lee-Kirby era, Sue Storm might well have been, heh heh, invisible from the way she was written[[/note]]). This lends credence to the consensus (at least among comics scholars) that Kirby did the lion's share of development in the Marvel years. The Marvel Method of course meant in any case, that he had to have done the most work.

* VindicatedByHistory: The man had been a ButtMonkey of the industry thanks to Creator/StanLee getting the majority of the praise for their collaborations. It's only as time went on that true appreciation for his artwork and high influence on the medium began to grow. It helped that he was pretty ahead of his time, as noted in OlderThanTheyThink. Hell, this very YMMV page had only one example until his centennial rapidly started approaching, at which point it blew up with WikiMagic.

** Creator/StanLee wasn't the one who originated the creator cameo appearances in live action Marvel adaptations. Kirby beat him to it. He appeared in a 1977 episode of ''Series/TheIncredibleHulk'' TV series. He was a police sketch artist drawing a witnesses description of the Hulk. Naturally, Kirby's drawing looked more like his version than Creator/LouFerrigno. Stan Lee didn't get his chance until 1989's Trial of the Incredible Hulk.

** Creator/MarkHamill himself acknowledged the Franchise/StarWars SpaceOpera was to a great deal foreshadowed by Kirby, and [[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/12/why-jack-kirby-is-probably-the-forgotten-father-of.html more than a few noted that Darth Vader-Luke Skywalker]] are quite similar to Darkseid-Orion and the concepts of the Force is similar to The Source while the quest to bring balance to the Force anticipates Darkseid's quest for the Anti-Life Equation. Vader's costume also looks a great deal like ''ComicBook/DoctorDoom'' with a darker palette. Kirby himself was flattered by the similarities and he merely lamented that the success of Star Wars vindicated his beliefs, over that of his editors, that his concepts and ideas were profitable and commercial.

* AttentionDeficitCreatorDisorder: Just imagine Kirby at his height drawing and plotting out comics with his detailed panels and pushing them out weekly during the golden age of the Marvel comics. That's a rate of productivity and creativity that is still the stuff of legends. Remember that it takes far more time to draw and lay out comics than it is to write them and as per the Marvel Method, Kirby more or less came up with [[MasterOfAll the plots, character designs and action]] entirely on his own. This goes back to his earlier career. When he was about to sign up for the US Army, Kirby drew up ''a year's worth of comics'' as a backlog for his publishers so that he could still pump up material while on tour of duty.

* VindicatedByHistory: The man had been a ButtMonkey of the industry thanks to Stan Lee getting the majority of the praise for their collaborations. It's only as time went on that true appreciation for his artwork and high influence on the medium began to grow. It helped that he was pretty ahead of his time, as noted in OlderThanTheyThink. Hell, this very YMMV page had only one example until his centennial rapidly started approaching, at which point it blew up with WikiMagic.