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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Marie's lack of empathy and remorse, impulsivity, lack of regard for the lives of others, manipulation and aggression shown throughout the series most likely point to her having [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder Antisocial Personality Disorder]].
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Misuse. All of this is the delivery.
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* ValuesDissonance: Aside from the sexism made rampant, racism is partly mentioned. Corday's "Eden" is also this as her ideal world is filled with no one else but white young and old women, and children.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Now has it's own page!
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* AngstWhatAngst: Despite Marie's rape being a core reason for her hatred of men, the effects of her rape aren't explored in-depth.
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* AngstWhatAngst: AngstWhatAngst:
** Despite Marie's rape being a core reason for her hatred of men, the effects of her rape aren't explored in-depth.
** Despite Marie's rape being a core reason for her hatred of men, the effects of her rape aren't explored in-depth.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: The comparison of the nobility and Marie Antoinette as social media influencers or modern day elites is.....not really subtle.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: {{Anvilicious}}:
** The comparison of the nobility and Marie Antoinette as social media influencers or modern day elites is.....not really subtle.
** The comparison of the nobility and Marie Antoinette as social media influencers or modern day elites is.....not really subtle.
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* CatharsisFactor: In Chapter 86 of Rouge, Charles, after years of hiding his true self and believing that what he was doing was for the best of the Sanson family, finally, finally breaks out of Anne-Marthe's teachings - symbolized by him using a fire-poker to tear through her portrait.
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* CatharsisFactor: CatharsisFactor:
** In Chapter 86 of Rouge, Charles, after years of hiding his true self and believing that what he was doing was for the best of the Sanson family, finally, finally breaks out of Anne-Marthe's teachings - symbolized by him using a fire-poker to tear through her portrait.
** In Chapter 86 of Rouge, Charles, after years of hiding his true self and believing that what he was doing was for the best of the Sanson family, finally, finally breaks out of Anne-Marthe's teachings - symbolized by him using a fire-poker to tear through her portrait.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Despite being a prominent character for the majority of Innocent, as well as the reason that [[spoiler: Charles]] becomes a more traditionally masculine figure, Madame du Barry is only mentioned in a summary box as the once pure nun who became one of the many people executed by Charles-Henri.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Despite being a prominent character for the majority of Innocent, as well as the reason that [[spoiler: Charles]] becomes a more traditionally masculine figure, Madame du Barry is only mentioned in a summary box as the once pure nun who became one of the many people executed by Charles-Henri.
** Despite being a prominent character for the majority of Innocent, as well as the reason that [[spoiler: Charles]] becomes a more traditionally masculine figure, Madame du Barry is only mentioned in a summary box as the once pure nun who became one of the many people executed by Charles-Henri.
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* SpiritualSuccessor: The manga series can be considered one to Manga/TheRoseOfVersailles
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Uncanny Valley is IUEO now and the subjective version has been split; cleaning up misuse and ZCE in the process
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** Can veer into UncannyValley, especially when the female characters are shown naked.
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* ValuesDissonance: Aside from the sexism made rampant, racism is partly mentioned. Corday's "Eden" is also this as her ideal world is filled with no one else but white young and old women, and children.
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** The theme of discrimination against woman can also be this, especially in Rouge.
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* AssholeVictim: We meet Jeanne de Valois-Saint-Rémy trying to scrape by on the dirty streets of a Parisian slum, and while the resentment of the nobility that is felt by the poorer classes are understandable given context, Jeanne's excessively belligerent attitude and spiteful behavior toward Marie Antoinette do little to endear her to the reader.
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* CatharsisFactor: In Chapter 86 of Rouge, Charles, after years of hiding his true self and believing that what he was doing was for the best of the Sanson family, finally, finally, [[https://mangadex.org/chapter/880829/5 breaks out of Anne-Marthe's teachings]] - symbolized by him using a fire-poker to tear through her portrait.
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* CatharsisFactor: In Chapter 86 of Rouge, Charles, after years of hiding his true self and believing that what he was doing was for the best of the Sanson family, finally, finally, [[https://mangadex.org/chapter/880829/5 finally breaks out of Anne-Marthe's teachings]] teachings - symbolized by him using a fire-poker to tear through her portrait.
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* ConditionedToAcceptHorror: Implied with Andre, as a flashback shows that he's been working for the Sansons ever since he was a young boy.
** Ever since [[spoiler: Zero]] was a baby, [[spoiler: they]] easily accepted the gore and violence growing up.
* CosmicDeadline: While it's subjective to each reader at when this pacing problem began to be apparent, it's clear that by the latter half of Rouge, important events occur every other chapter,rather than the slow build up in the prequel. By the time the story reaches its conclusion, everything after the downfall of Robespierre is summarized, and [[spoiler: Marie is revealed to have died]] several years earlier than the recorded death date that was presented since the very first chapter of Innocent.
** Ever since [[spoiler: Zero]] was a baby, [[spoiler: they]] easily accepted the gore and violence growing up.
* CosmicDeadline: While it's subjective to each reader at when this pacing problem began to be apparent, it's clear that by the latter half of Rouge, important events occur every other chapter,rather than the slow build up in the prequel. By the time the story reaches its conclusion, everything after the downfall of Robespierre is summarized, and [[spoiler: Marie is revealed to have died]] several years earlier than the recorded death date that was presented since the very first chapter of Innocent.
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** How did Madame du Barry and Charles-Henri react to seeing each other as she was being sent up to the platform to be executed? See TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below.
* HateSink: Most fans despise Marthe, because of her abusive and manipulative personality. Jean-Baptiste is also disliked by most fans.
* HateSink: Most fans despise Marthe, because of her abusive and manipulative personality. Jean-Baptiste is also disliked by most fans.
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** How did Madame du Barry and Charles-Henri react to seeing each other as she was being sent up to the platform to be executed? See TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below.
* HateSink: Most fans despise Marthe, because of her abusive and manipulative personality. Jean-Baptiste is also disliked by most fans.TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter below.
* HateSink: Most fans despise Marthe, because of her abusive and manipulative personality. Jean-Baptiste is also disliked by most fans.
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* PoliticallyCorrectHistory: In Innocent Rouge, there’s a flashback showing Théroigne de Mericourt declaring that women deserve to be involved in the political sphere, followed by a two-page spread of her getting stripped naked. In real life, Mericourt was attacked and stripped by a group of women because she was allied with the Girondins, and the women were allies of the Jacobins. The manga decides to revise this event by having Mericourt be stripped and mocked by an entire group of men instead, solely because they don’t want women to have rights.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite being a prominent character for the majority of Innocent, as well as the reason that [[spoiler: Charles]] becomes a more traditionally masculine figure, Madame du Barry is only mentioned in a summary box as the once pure nun who became one of the many people executed by Charles-Henri.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Despite being a prominent character for the majority of Innocent, as well as the reason that [[spoiler: Charles]] becomes a more traditionally masculine figure, Madame du Barry is only mentioned in a summary box as the once pure nun who became one of the many people executed by Charles-Henri.
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* TheWikiRule: [[https://innocent.fandom.com/wiki/Innocent_Wiki Right here]].
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* TheWikiRule: [[https://innocent.fandom.com/wiki/Innocent_Wiki Right here]].UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: We meet Jeanne de Valois-Saint-Rémy trying to scrape by on the dirty streets of a Parisian slum, and while the resentment of the nobility that is felt by the poorer classes are understandable given context, Jeanne's excessively belligerent attitude and spiteful behavior toward Marie Antoinette do little to endear her to the reader.
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*HateSink: Most fans despise Marthe, because of her abusive and manipulative personality. Jean-Baptiste is also disliked by most fans.
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* Anvilicious: The comparison of the nobility and Marie Antoinette as social media influencers or modern day elites is.....not really subtle.
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* AmericansHateTingle: For some reason, the character of Subyss is disliked generally disliked by most french reviewers, mostly due to being over-the-top.
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* AmericansHateTingle: For some reason, the character of Subyss is disliked generally disliked by most french French reviewers, mostly due to being over-the-top.
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* CosmicDeadline: While it's subjective to each reader at when this pacing problem began to be apparent, it's clear that by the latter half of Rouge, important events occur every other chapter,rather than the slow build up in the prequel. By the time the story reaches its conclusion, everything after the downfall of Robespierre is summarized, and [[spoilers: Marie is revealed to have died]] several years earlier than the recorded death date that was presented since the very first chapter of Innocent.
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* CosmicDeadline: While it's subjective to each reader at when this pacing problem began to be apparent, it's clear that by the latter half of Rouge, important events occur every other chapter,rather than the slow build up in the prequel. By the time the story reaches its conclusion, everything after the downfall of Robespierre is summarized, and [[spoilers: [[spoiler: Marie is revealed to have died]] several years earlier than the recorded death date that was presented since the very first chapter of Innocent.
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*CosmicDeadline: While it's subjective to each reader at when this pacing problem began to be apparent, it's clear that by the latter half of Rouge, important events occur every other chapter,rather than the slow build up in the prequel. By the time the story reaches its conclusion, everything after the downfall of Robespierre is summarized, and [[spoilers: Marie is revealed to have died]] several years earlier than the recorded death date that was presented since the very first chapter of Innocent.
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* AngstWhatAngst: Despite Marie's rape being a core reason for her hatred of men, the effects of her rape aren't shown.
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** Jeanne not only being gang-raped, but also getting raped by an older man with very, very late stage syphilis. Ugh.
** The entire sequence of "Anne-Marthe's" (aka Marie Joseph) BDSM -and-spur session with Charles-Henri deserves a mention with the incest undertones. Marie laps up some of Charles' blood that splattered on her face, and she even asks him if he wants another round of it.
** 14 year old Antoinette being forced by her mother, Empress Maria Theresa, to watch a couple have sex (presumably servants), as a way to "educate" the young princess on her eventual duty.
** The entire sequence of "Anne-Marthe's" (aka Marie Joseph) BDSM -and-spur session with Charles-Henri deserves a mention with the incest undertones. Marie laps up some of Charles' blood that splattered on her face, and she even asks him if he wants another round of it.
** 14 year old Antoinette being forced by her mother, Empress Maria Theresa, to watch a couple have sex (presumably servants), as a way to "educate" the young princess on her eventual duty.