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** Goh scolding his Pokemon for wanting to attack Chloe when she returns is portrayed as a noble action that shows that he's really starting to care about her. However, their reason for doing is also a noble one; seeking justice for their trainer being hurt. Furthermore, this comes ''right after'' Goh understood why they wanted to do so and gave his approval, making the guy come across as an indecisive UngratefulBastard who'd switch opinions at the drop of a hat if it meant keeping Chloe from having another episode. Retroactively, the Firefly Funhouse Car also establishes that Chloe wanted to ''murder'' Goh, meaning that Goh's Pokemon are being chastised by the narrative for wanting to attack someone who had wanted to murder their trainer only a few months earlier.

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** Goh scolding his Pokemon for wanting to attack Chloe when she returns is portrayed as a noble action that shows that he's really starting to care about her. However, their reason for doing is also a noble one; seeking justice for their trainer being hurt. Furthermore, this comes ''right after'' Goh understood why they wanted to do so and gave his approval, making the guy come across as an indecisive UngratefulBastard who'd switch opinions at the drop of a hat if it meant keeping Chloe from having another episode. Retroactively, the Firefly Funhouse Car also establishes that Chloe wanted to ''murder'' Goh, meaning that Goh's Pokemon are being chastised by the narrative for having a now completely justified reason for wanting to attack someone who had wanted to murder their trainer only a few months earlier.
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Correction for factuality. Still doesn't change the fact that the mons had more reasons to want to hurt her now.


** Goh scolding his Pokemon for wanting to attack Chloe when she returns is portrayed as a noble action that shows that he's really starting to care about her. However, their reason for doing is also a noble one; seeking justice for their trainer being hurt. Furthermore, this comes ''right after'' Goh understood why they wanted to do so and gave his approval, making the guy come across as an indecisive UngratefulBastard who'd switch opinions at the drop of a hat if it meant keeping Chloe from having another episode. Retroactively, the Firefly Funhouse Car also establishes that Chloe wanted to ''murder'' Goh, meaning that Goh's Pokemon are being chastised by the narrative for wanting to attack someone who had wanted to murder their trainer only months, if not weeks, earlier.

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** Goh scolding his Pokemon for wanting to attack Chloe when she returns is portrayed as a noble action that shows that he's really starting to care about her. However, their reason for doing is also a noble one; seeking justice for their trainer being hurt. Furthermore, this comes ''right after'' Goh understood why they wanted to do so and gave his approval, making the guy come across as an indecisive UngratefulBastard who'd switch opinions at the drop of a hat if it meant keeping Chloe from having another episode. Retroactively, the Firefly Funhouse Car also establishes that Chloe wanted to ''murder'' Goh, meaning that Goh's Pokemon are being chastised by the narrative for wanting to attack someone who had wanted to murder their trainer only months, if not weeks, a few months earlier.
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** ''The Firefly Funhouse Car'' is really dedicated to trying to make Chloe more sympathetic and show how [[FoodSlap throwing curry in Goh's face]] might not have been the most ''diplomatic'' way to start her journey, but Goh brought it on himself by being insensitive and taking her for granted during their friendship. It also shows the [[CreepyChild ten-year-old]] protagonist fantasizing about "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Goh to death]] with her donut holer" as a symbolic gesture. Not to mention the fact that the narrative attempts to use DisabilityAsAnExcuseForJerkassery ''again,'' citing her anxiety and "possible autism" as the reason she can’t be honest with people and show her interests- while ''[[DoubleStandard at the same time]]'' showing Chloe being infuriated at ''Goh's'' [[NoSocialSkills lack of social grace]] and [[InformedWrongness fixation on Pokémon]].
* {{Wangst}}: Just like in the original trilogy, Chloe's petty, vindictive and melodramatic attitude can make it hard for readers to root for her.

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** ''The Firefly Funhouse Car'' is really dedicated to trying to make Chloe more sympathetic and show how [[FoodSlap throwing curry in Goh's face]] might not have been the most ''diplomatic'' way to start her journey, but Goh brought it on himself by being insensitive and taking her for granted during and their friendship.friendship for granted. It also shows the [[CreepyChild ten-year-old]] protagonist fantasizing about "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Goh to death]] with her donut holer" as a symbolic gesture. Not to mention the fact that the narrative attempts to use DisabilityAsAnExcuseForJerkassery ''again,'' citing her anxiety and "possible autism" as the reason she can’t be honest with people and show her interests- while interests--while ''[[DoubleStandard at the same time]]'' showing Chloe being infuriated at ''Goh's'' [[NoSocialSkills lack of social grace]] and [[InformedWrongness fixation on Pokémon]].
* {{Wangst}}: Just like in the original trilogy, Chloe's petty, vindictive behavior, and melodramatic [[EntitledToHaveYou entitled attitude towards Goh]] can make it hard for readers to root for her.
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** Goh scolding his Pokemon for wanting to attack Chloe when she returns is portrayed as a noble action that shows that he's really starting to care about her. However, their reason for doing is also a noble one; seeking justice for their trainer being hurt. Furthermore, this comes ''right after'' Goh understood why they wanted to do so and gave his approval, making the guy come across as an indecisive UngratefulBastard who'd switch opinions at the drop of a hat if it meant keeping Chloe from having another episode. Retroactively, the Firefly Funhouse Car also establishes that Chloe wanted to ''murder'' Goh, meaning that Goh's Pokemon are being chastised by the narrative for not trusting someone who had wanted to murder their trainer only months, if not weeks, earlier.

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** Goh scolding his Pokemon for wanting to attack Chloe when she returns is portrayed as a noble action that shows that he's really starting to care about her. However, their reason for doing is also a noble one; seeking justice for their trainer being hurt. Furthermore, this comes ''right after'' Goh understood why they wanted to do so and gave his approval, making the guy come across as an indecisive UngratefulBastard who'd switch opinions at the drop of a hat if it meant keeping Chloe from having another episode. Retroactively, the Firefly Funhouse Car also establishes that Chloe wanted to ''murder'' Goh, meaning that Goh's Pokemon are being chastised by the narrative for not trusting wanting to attack someone who had wanted to murder their trainer only months, if not weeks, earlier.
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** Goh scolding his Pokemon for wanting to attack Chloe when she returns is portrayed as a noble action that shows that he's really starting to care about her. However, their reason for doing is also a noble one; seeking justice for their trainer being hurt. Furthermore, this comes ''right after'' Goh understood why they wanted to do so and gave his approval, making the guy come across as an indecisive UngratefulBastard who'd switch opinions at the drop of a hat if it meant keeping Chloe from having another episode.

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** Goh scolding his Pokemon for wanting to attack Chloe when she returns is portrayed as a noble action that shows that he's really starting to care about her. However, their reason for doing is also a noble one; seeking justice for their trainer being hurt. Furthermore, this comes ''right after'' Goh understood why they wanted to do so and gave his approval, making the guy come across as an indecisive UngratefulBastard who'd switch opinions at the drop of a hat if it meant keeping Chloe from having another episode. Retroactively, the Firefly Funhouse Car also establishes that Chloe wanted to ''murder'' Goh, meaning that Goh's Pokemon are being chastised by the narrative for not trusting someone who had wanted to murder their trainer only months, if not weeks, earlier.
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I learned that there was a bit of controversy about this latest story, so I thought I might as well add this entry.

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** ''The Firefly Funhouse Car'' is really dedicated to trying to make Chloe more sympathetic and show how [[FoodSlap throwing curry in Goh's face]] might not have been the most ''diplomatic'' way to start her journey, but Goh brought it on himself by being insensitive and taking her for granted during their friendship. It also shows the [[CreepyChild ten-year-old]] protagonist fantasizing about "[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Goh to death]] with her donut holer" as a symbolic gesture. Not to mention the fact that the narrative attempts to use DisabilityAsAnExcuseForJerkassery ''again,'' citing her anxiety and "possible autism" as the reason she can’t be honest with people and show her interests- while ''[[DoubleStandard at the same time]]'' showing Chloe being infuriated at ''Goh's'' [[NoSocialSkills lack of social grace]] and [[InformedWrongness fixation on Pokémon]].
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** ''Firefly Funhouse'' is meant to imply that Chloe feels like she has mental problems she is struggling with and not being treated or helped. It instead comes off as if Chloe is struggling with being accepted for having a socially unaccepted fetish instead.

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** ''Firefly Funhouse'' is meant to imply that Chloe feels like she has mental problems she is struggling with and not being treated or helped. helped, and that it is important to support people in her condition. It instead comes off as if Chloe is struggling with being accepted for having a socially unaccepted fetish instead.instead, which instead turns the entire thing into the message about the dangers of kink-shaming, the mistreatment of others interests, and otherwise a message with somewhat similar messaging but of a ''very'' different matter than intended.



** Professor Sycamore is the Pokémon Professor of the Kalos Region...Who also faints ''twice'' upon meeting the Train's Denizens for the first time, compliments [[LethalChef Shion's cooking]], and is left flushing when he learns Rimuru calls him the "Professor of the Monster Kingdom."

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** Professor Sycamore is the Pokémon Professor of the Kalos Region...Who also faints ''twice'' upon meeting the Train's Denizens for the first time, compliments [[LethalChef Shion's cooking]], and is left flushing when he learns Rimuru calls him the "Professor of the Monster Kingdom."



* AntiClimaxBoss: For a guy that was set up as a big problem, Dr. Yung goes down with little fanfare after [[spoiler:his Mirage Pokémon get converted into Denizens.]]

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* AntiClimaxBoss: For a guy that was set up as a big problem, Dr. Yung goes down with little fanfare after [[spoiler:his Mirage Pokémon get converted into Denizens.]]



** Sara Dyktalis [[spoiler:getting the unknown box instead of Parker.]] Some like the change since [[spoiler:the Cyan Desert arc]] effectively turned Parker into TheScrappy so [[spoiler:giving it to a HateSink like Sara]] who wouldn't get shilled after the arc was a good choice and gave us an epic final showdown between Chloe and Sara, which lets the bullied girl finally stand up to the girl who has caused her so much pain. However, you have others who don't like the change since Sara's nastiness is turned up with her bullying of Chloe because she thought that would make her give her a Pokémon, and how before this arc, Sara had no real importance to the plot. So, it came off more as the writers just redoing the arc not just to make Sara irredeemable, but to also let Parker be the hero this time around, which even includes him creating an [[spoiler:UnChloe who helps fix everything instead of ruining everything.]]

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** Sara Dyktalis [[spoiler:getting the unknown box instead of Parker.]] Some like the change since [[spoiler:the Cyan Desert arc]] effectively turned Parker into TheScrappy so [[spoiler:giving it to a HateSink like Sara]] who wouldn't get shilled after the arc was a good choice and gave us an epic final showdown between Chloe and Sara, which lets the bullied girl finally stand up to the girl who has caused her so much pain. However, you have others who don't like the change since Sara's nastiness is turned up with her bullying of Chloe because she thought that would make her give her a Pokémon, and how before this arc, Sara had no real importance to the plot. So, it came off more as the writers just redoing the arc not just to make Sara irredeemable, but to also let Parker be the hero this time around, which even includes him creating an [[spoiler:UnChloe who helps fix everything instead of ruining everything.]]



** With ''Blossoming Trail'', rather hypocritically, saying PassionIsEvil in regards to Ash and Goh's goal while venerating Chloe's own goal, having Professor Cerise actually defend their goals to become a Pokémon Master and catch every Pokémon is rather refreshing.

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** With ''Blossoming Trail'', rather hypocritically, saying PassionIsEvil in regards to Ash and Goh's goal while venerating Chloe's own goal, having Professor Cerise actually defend their goals to become a Pokémon Master and catch every Pokémon is rather refreshing.



** While done with more tact than usual, this fanfic in the Pokémon World repreats the same old "Goh finds out what Chloe went through and how he wasn't a good friend" and "people blaming the Cerises for Chloe's problems" nonsense that plagued the original trilogy that the readership had grown sick of by the end of ''Blossoming Trail'', and the end of The Twisted Lab Car even repeats the "catharsis is damaging" Aesop the original story did, with as much chatter to boot.

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** While done with more tact than usual, this fanfic in the Pokémon World repreats the same old "Goh finds out what Chloe went through and how he wasn't a good friend" and "people blaming the Cerises for Chloe's problems" nonsense that plagued the original trilogy that the readership had grown sick of by the end of ''Blossoming Trail'', and the end of The Twisted Lab Car even repeats the "catharsis is damaging" Aesop the original story did, with as much chatter to boot.



** The reveal that Chloe had tried to connect to Goh after a ghost hunt that the two ended up involved in by chance is intended as a humanizing moment for their relationship and a demonstration of how she tried to keep their relationship going with a mutual interest, and how she had saved his life. However, the fact that this was done with ghost hunting, a type of Pokémon that is infamous for being very dangerous in pretty much every region of the Pokémon world (especially Kalos), makes Chloe come off as irresponsible and fortunate that Goh's near-death experience was simply drowning and not being cursed or strangled by a Gourgeist. It also makes Chloe's disinterest in Pokémon come off as very reckless as she knowingly brought Goh into a very dangerous environment without proper caution. Finally, she prioritized having fun over Goh's well-being, wasted time picking flowers instead of bringing Goh straight back to camp, and then continually harassed his parents with phone calls about ghost hunts in a similar manner to how she'd later badger her classmates with her own interests, ulimtately creating a pattern for Chloe's loneliness that is the result of her own actions.

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** The reveal that Chloe had tried to connect to Goh after a ghost hunt that the two ended up involved in by chance is intended as a humanizing moment for their relationship and a demonstration of how she tried to keep their relationship going with a mutual interest, and how she had saved his life. However, the fact that this was done with ghost hunting, a type of Pokémon that is infamous for being very dangerous in pretty much every region of the Pokémon world (especially Kalos), makes Chloe come off as irresponsible and fortunate that Goh's near-death experience was simply drowning and not being cursed or strangled by a Gourgeist. It also makes Chloe's disinterest in Pokémon come off as very reckless as she knowingly brought Goh into a very dangerous environment without proper caution. Finally, she prioritized having fun over Goh's well-being, wasted time picking flowers instead of bringing Goh straight back to camp, and then continually harassed his parents with phone calls about ghost hunts in a similar manner to how she'd later badger her classmates with her own interests, ulimtately creating a pattern for Chloe's loneliness that is the result of her own actions.
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** ''Firefly Funhouse'' is meant to imply that Chloe feels like she has mental problems she is struggling with and not being treated or helped. It instead comes off as if Chloe is struggling with being accepted for having a socially unaccepted fetish instead.

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Common Knowledge is about a false fact being believed to be true by the audience. This sounds more like complaining..


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** The story, especially in later parts, operates under the idea that Chloe was essentially forced to become Goh's Homework delivery girl, and that he was ungrateful to her despite doing so much for him. The anime hints at neither of these being true: Chloe was never shown being forced to do the deliveries, and it's long been established in this fic that she chose to do them, while Goh's neutral reaction to them is more in line with becoming unfazed at something being done repeatedly than because he could care less about it.
** The story tries to paint Pokemon Trainers as larger-than-life figures, or as celebrities that everyone looks up to AND wants to be like. While there are many Pokemon Trainers in the anime who are legitimately famous, that's usually because they either have done some incredible feat to earn their reputation, or because they also work in a profession that would get significant attention as well.
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** The story, especially in later parts, operates under the idea that Chloe was essentially forced to become Goh's Homework delivery girl, and that he was utterly ungrateful to her despite doing so much to him. The anime hints at neither of these being true: Chloe's never shown being forced to do the deliveries, and Goh's neutral reaction to them is more similar to when a person becomes unfazed at something being done repeatedly than because he could care less about it.
** The story tries to paint Pokemon Trainers as larger than life figures, or as celebrities that everyone looks up to AND wants to be like. The anime doesn't depict this: while there are many Pokemon Trainers who are legitimately famous, that's usually because they either have done some incredible feat to earn their reputation, or because they also ''double'' as someone in a profession that would get significant attention as well.

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** The story, especially in later parts, operates under the idea that Chloe was essentially forced to become Goh's Homework delivery girl, and that he was utterly ungrateful to her despite doing so much to for him. The anime hints at neither of these being true: Chloe's Chloe was never shown being forced to do the deliveries, and it's long been established in this fic that she chose to do them, while Goh's neutral reaction to them is more similar to when a person becomes in line with becoming unfazed at something being done repeatedly than because he could care less about it.
** The story tries to paint Pokemon Trainers as larger than life larger-than-life figures, or as celebrities that everyone looks up to AND wants to be like. The anime doesn't depict this: while While there are many Pokemon Trainers in the anime who are legitimately famous, that's usually because they either have done some incredible feat to earn their reputation, or because they also ''double'' as someone work in a profession that would get significant attention as well.
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* CommonKnowledge:
** The story, especially in later parts, operates under the idea that Chloe was essentially forced to become Goh's Homework delivery girl, and that he was utterly ungrateful to her despite doing so much to him. The anime hints at neither of these being true: Chloe's never shown being forced to do the deliveries, and Goh's neutral reaction to them is more similar to when a person becomes unfazed at something being done repeatedly than because he could care less about it.
** The story tries to paint Pokemon Trainers as larger than life figures, or as celebrities that everyone looks up to AND wants to be like. The anime doesn't depict this: while there are many Pokemon Trainers who are legitimately famous, that's usually because they either have done some incredible feat to earn their reputation, or because they also ''double'' as someone in a profession that would get significant attention as well.

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** Grace's declaration that Chloe's a threat to The Apex and that she needs to die is supposed to be proof of her being a DirtyCoward, with Sycamore wasting no time lambasting her over it. Thing is, she's correct in Chloe being a threat: compared to The Apex or even ''most'' Passengers in general, who are equipped with whatever garbage they can get their hands on, Chloe has the Cloak of Marchosias, which lets her turn into a fire-breathing wolf, and later gets a halo that lets her ''summon any demon she wants'', albeit only once. These two artifacts alone make Chloe such a PersonOfMassDestruction that she could annihilate not only The Apex, ''but cars on the Train'' with a snap of her fingers. Even without these artifacts, however, Chloe has something of a CultOfPersonality developing around the Denizens; ''every Denizen'' who hears about her and doesn't hate her guts or dislikes her ''praises her'' for her heroic acts, even worshipping the ground she walks on and ''seeing her like an actual Goddess''. All facts point to Chloe being a threat to not only The Apex, but ''all'' passengers, and the only people who deny Grace's statements are those who are unaware of how Chloe really is, or have a bone to pick with her and thus aren't willing to hear her out.
** Goh suggests that the reason why Chloe should've captured the Shiny Pumpkaboo was because she was the daughter of a professor, only to get shot shot down by his grandmother. However, this could've served as the perfect point for Chloe and her father to actually bond, especially since the Pumpkaboo was a Pokemon that Chloe actually ''liked'', and thus could've allowed them to become closer and not have such a strained relationship in the present day.
** During the trial against Chloe in the Harvest Moon Car, Allighieri makes several points that Chloe should be separated from the Windchasers and Red Lotus Remnant, calling her spiteful, bratty, unwilling to learn her lessons, and just in general painting her as a terrible person who hurts the people that try to help her. This is supposed to make him loathsome and make us rejoice when [[spoiler:the Windchasers and Red Lotus Remnants win the trial and decide to stay with her regardless]], but Allighieri ends up making some very valid points because Chloe has ''repeatedly'' proven herself as a toxic individual who drives away any help that people try to give her, yet demonizes those she believes are against her, plus she's responsible for [[spoiler:driving the Windchasers' leader ''into a suicidial state'', the very same one she's been dealing with]], and yet never truly faced consequences for it.

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** Grace's declaration that Chloe's a threat to The Apex and that she needs to die is supposed to be proof of her being a DirtyCoward, with Sycamore wasting no time lambasting her over it. Thing is, she's correct in Chloe being a threat: compared to The Apex or even ''most'' Passengers in general, who are equipped with whatever garbage they can get their hands on, Chloe has the Cloak of Marchosias, which lets her turn into a fire-breathing wolf, and later gets a halo that lets her ''summon any demon she wants'', albeit only once. These two artifacts alone make Chloe such a PersonOfMassDestruction that she could literally annihilate not only The Apex, ''but cars on ''even the whole Train'' with a snap of her fingers. Even without these artifacts, however, Chloe has something of a CultOfPersonality developing around the Denizens; ''every Denizen'' Denizens, who hears about constantly praise her and doesn't hate her guts or dislikes her ''praises her'' for her heroic acts, even worshipping the ground she walks on and ''seeing treat her like an actual Goddess''. All facts point to Chloe being a threat to not only The Apex, but ''all'' passengers, and the only people who deny Grace's statements are those who are unaware of how Chloe really is, or have a bone to pick with her and thus aren't willing to hear her out.
Goddess for practically ''no reason''.
** Goh suggests that the reason why Chloe should've captured the Shiny Pumpkaboo was because she was the daughter of a professor, only to get shot shot down by his grandmother. However, this could've served as the perfect point for Chloe and her father to actually bond, especially since the Pumpkaboo was a Pokemon that Chloe actually ''liked'', and thus could've allowed them to become closer and not have such a strained relationship in the present day.
** During the trial against Chloe in the Harvest Moon Car, Allighieri makes several points negative comments about her and declares that Chloe she should be separated from the Windchasers and Red Lotus Remnant, calling her spiteful, bratty, unwilling to learn her lessons, and just in general painting her as a terrible person who hurts the people that try to help her. Remnant. This is supposed to make him loathsome and make us rejoice when [[spoiler:the Windchasers and Red Lotus Remnants [[spoiler:they win the trial and decide to stay with her regardless]], but Allighieri ends up making some very valid points because Chloe has ''repeatedly'' proven herself as a toxic individual who drives away any help that people try to give her, yet demonizes those she believes are against her, plus she's AND is responsible for [[spoiler:driving [[spoiler:reducing the Windchasers' leader ''into ''to a suicidial state'', the very same one she's been dealing with]], and yet never truly faced consequences for it.



** Goh's Pokemon during the Palimpsest Car are supposed to seen as in the wrong for lining up to draw tickets to punch Chloe when she comes back, allegedly as a way to make her pay over hurting their trainer so much, and Goh reading them the riot act a noble action that shows that he's really starting to care about Chloe. However, not only does the story ignore the fact that said Pokemon ''weren't aware'' of the whole Unown fiasco thing until ''after'' the fact, but that they're simply doing what any good Pokemon would do: keep their trainer safe. Furthermore, this comes ''right after'' Goh understood what they meant and gave his approval, making the guy come across as an indecisive UngratefulBastard who'd switch opinions at the drop of a hat if it meant keeping Chloe from having another episode.

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** Goh's Goh scolding his Pokemon during the Palimpsest Car are supposed to seen as in the wrong for lining up wanting to draw tickets to punch attack Chloe when she comes back, allegedly returns is portrayed as a way to make her pay over hurting their trainer so much, and Goh reading them the riot act a noble action that shows that he's really starting to care about Chloe. her. However, not only does the story ignore the fact that said Pokemon ''weren't aware'' of the whole Unown fiasco thing until ''after'' the fact, but that they're simply their reason for doing what any good Pokemon would do: keep is also a noble one; seeking justice for their trainer safe. being hurt. Furthermore, this comes ''right after'' Goh understood what why they meant wanted to do so and gave his approval, making the guy come across as an indecisive UngratefulBastard who'd switch opinions at the drop of a hat if it meant keeping Chloe from having another episode.



** Chapter 45 raises the concept of 'Is it unfair for Chloe to share the brunt of everyone's anger for not telling anyone about her pains when Goh kept this pain hidden from everyone for the past three years'. This is meant to put Goh and Chloe's issues on a relatively even playing field, like with Chloe's argument with Ash earlier in the story with both supposed to be equally at fault. In practice however, like with the aforementioned Chloe and Ash argument, it makes Goh come off as far better than Chloe because Goh's problems were mostly kept internal, with only a (in-story, admittedly) complicated and mutual problematic relationship with Chloe and some issues with Raboot being the consequence. Tokio got trainnapped from his own guilt, not because Goh did or said anything to him. Meanwhile, Chloe's unwillingness to speak to people led to her actually assaulting Goh and allowed the situation at school to boil into a major problem, with Chloe having had multiple chances to connect to more people, including a willing Ash and school characters Hannah and Daiki, and refusing each time. So in the end, Goh's pain was not only kept mostly to himself but Goh was able to come out of it on his own, while Chloe's pain was much more destructive to others and she refused chances to address it properly beforehand, chances Goh himself took. Or in other words, Goh was the better, more responsible person about his problems, and the two aren't as comparable as presented.
** Also from Chapter 45, there's Kurune and Ikuo. The narrative lambasts them for deliberately keeping Goh and Chloe separated after the ghost hunting trip in Kalos years ago, causing their friendship to strain, despite her saving him from drowning. Thing is, while their actions ''were'' extreme, the story glosses over the fact that Chloe, after saving Goh from drowning, only cared to ask if he was feeling better just so she could take him on ''another'' potentially dangerous adventure, not once indicating that she cared about him for his own sake. So they come across more as a pair of {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s who are unfairly persecuted just because they understandably didn't want their son to be friends with someone who only wanted to hang out with him for personal interest.

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** Chapter 45 raises the concept of 'Is it unfair for Chloe to share the brunt of everyone's anger for not telling anyone about her pains when Goh kept this pain hidden from everyone for the past three years'. This is meant to put Goh and Chloe's issues on a relatively even playing field, like with Chloe's argument with Ash earlier in the story with both supposed to be equally at fault. In practice however, like with the aforementioned Chloe and Ash argument, it makes Goh come off as far better than Chloe because Goh's problems were mostly kept internal, with only a (in-story, admittedly) complicated and mutual problematic relationship with Chloe and some issues with Raboot being the consequence. Tokio got trainnapped from his own guilt, not because Goh did or said anything to him. Meanwhile, Chloe's unwillingness to speak to people led to her actually assaulting Goh and allowed the situation at school to boil into a major problem, with Chloe having had multiple chances to connect to more people, including a willing Ash and school characters Hannah and Daiki, and refusing each time. So in the end, Goh's pain was not only kept mostly to himself but Goh was able to come out of it on his own, while Chloe's pain was much more destructive to others and she refused chances to address it properly beforehand, chances Goh himself took. Or in other words, Goh was the better, more responsible person about his problems, and the two aren't as comparable as presented.
** Also from Chapter 45, there's Kurune and Ikuo.
The narrative lambasts them Goh's parents for deliberately keeping Goh their son and Chloe separated after the ghost hunting trip in Kalos years ago, causing their friendship to strain, despite her saving him from drowning. Thing is, while their actions ''were'' extreme, the story glosses over the fact that Chloe, after saving Goh from drowning, only cared to ask if he was feeling better just so she could take him on ''another'' potentially dangerous adventure, not once indicating that she cared about him for his own sake. So they come across more as a pair of {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s who are unfairly persecuted just because they understandably didn't want their son to be friends with someone who only wanted to hang out with him for personal interest.



*** In The Chocolate Car, we're supposed to feel bad for Gloria because she recognizes that her AnalogyBackfire has emotionally harmed people, and multiple characters say that her analogy, while hurtful, [[JerkassHasAPoint wasn't exactly wrong]]. However, given that her AnalogyBackfire was comparing the Cerise Institute to an ''abusive household'' after only hearing Chloe's side of the story, Gloria comes of as a {{Hypocrite}} for doing the exact same thing that she chided Trip for doing. Furthermore, her BrutalHonesty has gotten her in trouble before, and the story only tells us this ''after'' her mean-spirited comparison causes Professor Cerise to ''break down'' and snap at her, which is not only a hollow method of trying to make Gloria sympathetic (because if this moment was important to her current character, it would have come up before), but it also shows that Gloria is apparently unwilling or incapable of learning from her mistakes.

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*** In The Chocolate Car, we're supposed to feel bad for Gloria because she recognizes that her AnalogyBackfire has emotionally harmed people, and multiple characters say that her analogy, while hurtful, [[JerkassHasAPoint wasn't exactly wrong]]. However, given that her AnalogyBackfire so-called analogy was comparing the Cerise Institute to an ''abusive household'' after only hearing Chloe's side of the story, Gloria comes of across as a {{Hypocrite}} for doing the exact same thing that she chided Trip for doing. Furthermore, her BrutalHonesty has gotten her in trouble before, and the story only tells us this ''after'' her mean-spirited comparison causes Professor Cerise to ''break down'' and snap at her, which is not only a hollow method of trying to make Gloria sympathetic (because if this moment was important to her current character, it would have come up before), but it also shows that Gloria is apparently unwilling or incapable of learning from her mistakes.



** Chloe Cerise during Dr. Yung's attempt to break her. Given that the chapter that features this moment comes ''right after'' the chapter where Chloe and Goh talked things out, made it seem like Chloe [[AesopAmnesia didn't learn anything from that moment]].

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** Chloe Cerise during Dr. Yung's attempt to break her. Given that the chapter that features this moment comes ''right after'' the chapter where Chloe and Goh talked things out, made it seem seemed like Chloe [[AesopAmnesia didn't learn anything from that moment]].



** Chapter 39 is meant to feature a genuine apology from Chloe with some jokes and admittance of errors on both sides. In practice, however, it ultimately comes off as Chloe giving a BackhandedApology to Ash where she basically apologizes, but he ''really'' should have done all of these things, so it's really still more of his fault, instead of leaving a truly genuine apology.
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** To a much lesser extent, there's Sara. While not the most developed character in the original trilogy, she at least had a personality to her and implications of HiddenDepths. This story, however, turns her into a CompleteMonster of a HateSink by destroying whatever good or sympathetic traits she had in the original trilogy.

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* {{Wangst}}:
** Chapter 20 in its entirety. While there were moments in earlier chapters, they were kept quick, and one or two at a time. Chapter 20, meanwhile, is one big pity party between the Train and Pokémon World bits, where people either blame each other, blame themselves, or just feel sorry for themselves in an endless back and forth. And this is without mentioning the more intense moments, like Gladion wanting to kill himself, Professor Cerise being bashed yet again despite being thrown a bone earlier, Goh nearly quitting his job because of the previous point, and the story trying yet again to paint Vermillion City as a horrible place, and putting everyone's attention on how ''Chloe'' is affected and nobody else.
** Chloe's whole ''situation'' can sometimes fall into this territory. Partially because about 90% of her troubles were [[AdaptationalAngstUpgrade made up whole cloth for the sole purpose of making her a tragic hero]]. Then there's the fact that, for all Chloe's problems are ''supposed'' to stem from [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer no one accepting her]], the characters aren't really ''allowed'' to dislike her without being [[WhatTheHellHero chewed out for it]]- even if her actions have given them legitimate reason to do so, and many of the problems that do cause Chloe grief are self-inflicted due to her own behavior, such as pestering her schoolmates and Goh's parents incessantly about horror and ghost hunts, leading to her class hating her and being easily swayed by Sara and Goh's parents wanting nothing to do with her and barring her from seeing Goh, respectively. And then came Chapter 47 where she is willing to kill herself just because people find her "annoying" and the path that leads her to avoiding that is Goh ''going back to school''.

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* {{Wangst}}:
** Chapter 20 in its entirety. While there were moments in earlier chapters, they were kept quick, and one or two at a time. Chapter 20, meanwhile, is one big pity party between the Train and Pokémon World bits, where people either blame each other, blame themselves, or just feel sorry for themselves in an endless back and forth. And this is without mentioning the more intense moments,
{{Wangst}}: Just like Gladion wanting to kill himself, Professor Cerise being bashed yet again despite being thrown a bone earlier, Goh nearly quitting his job because of in the previous point, and the story trying yet again to paint Vermillion City as a horrible place, and putting everyone's attention on how ''Chloe'' is affected and nobody else.
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original trilogy, Chloe's whole ''situation'' petty, vindictive and melodramatic attitude can sometimes fall into this territory. Partially because about 90% of her troubles were [[AdaptationalAngstUpgrade made up whole cloth make it hard for the sole purpose of making her a tragic hero]]. Then there's the fact that, readers to root for all Chloe's problems are ''supposed'' to stem from [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer no one accepting her]], the characters aren't really ''allowed'' to dislike her without being [[WhatTheHellHero chewed out for it]]- even if her actions have given them legitimate reason to do so, and many of the problems that do cause Chloe grief are self-inflicted due to her own behavior, such as pestering her schoolmates and Goh's parents incessantly about horror and ghost hunts, leading to her class hating her and being easily swayed by Sara and Goh's parents wanting nothing to do with her and barring her from seeing Goh, respectively. And then came Chapter 47 where she is willing to kill herself just because people find her "annoying" and the path that leads her to avoiding that is Goh ''going back to school''. her.

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* DesignatedVillain: Goh's parents are revealed to have been driving a wedge between Goh and Chloe by interfering with messages between the two because they blame Chloe for nearly getting their son killed and leaving him with a fever afterwards. However, as the above incident involved a ghost hunting expedition that nearly led to a seven year-old-boy drowning, after which Chloe [[SkewedPriorities showed little remorse and just wanted to go on more adventures because she had fun]], between the girl's lack of concern and the natural reaction of parents to their children being endangered, it's hard to fault them for wanting Chloe gone from their lives, much like Delia back in ''Blossoming Trail''.

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* DesignatedVillain: Goh's parents are revealed to have been driving a wedge between Goh and Chloe by interfering with messages between the two because they blame Chloe the latter for nearly getting their son killed and leaving him with a fever afterwards. However, as the above incident involved a ghost hunting expedition that nearly led to a seven year-old-boy drowning, after which Chloe [[SkewedPriorities showed little no concern nor remorse and just wanted to go on more adventures because she had fun]], between the girl's lack of concern and the natural reaction of parents to their children being endangered, for]], it's hard to fault them for wanting Chloe understandable that they'd want her gone from their lives, much like Delia back in ''Blossoming Trail''.



** Like in the anime, Goh has problems picking up social cues, doesn't really like interacting with others (he only goes to school for testing), he's hyper-fixated on wanting to find Mew, and his lack of a social filter makes it hard for him to explain what he truly wants, showing signs of being neurodivergent.

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** Like in the anime, Goh has problems picking up social cues, doesn't really like interacting with others (he only goes to school for testing), he's is hyper-fixated on wanting to find Mew, and his lack of a social filter makes it hard for him to explain what he truly wants, showing signs of being neurodivergent.



* DontShootTheMessage: Later down in Act 2 and by the end of Act 1, the story tries to make a message about how human relationships are important, and that in order to make them work, communication and empathy are required from both sides. This is a pretty good message... that ends up falling flat when considering the context: Vermillion City, the location that gets the most focus in the story, is filled with ''horrible'' people, ranging from bullies who'd destroy someone in order to get a Pokemon, to adults that could care less about what happens as long as it isn't their problem.

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* DontShootTheMessage: Later down in Act 2 and by the end of Act 1, the story tries to make a message about how human relationships are important, and that in order to make them work, communication and empathy are required from both sides. This is a pretty good message... that ends up falling flat when considering the context: Vermillion City, the location that gets the most focus in the story, is filled with ''horrible'' people, ranging from bullies who'd destroy someone in order to get a Pokemon, to adults that could care less about what happens as long as it isn't their problem.



* FanonDiscontinuity: Several events in the series attempt to link it to the original Blossomverse trilogy in some way, each of which is generally ignored by the fans of ''Orange Lily'', ''Blossoming Trail'', and ''Voyage of Wisteria'' who are happy to have a complete story and do not need to be dragged back in to the same problems that each story overcame already.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Several events in the series attempt to link it to the original Blossomverse trilogy in some way, each of which is generally ignored by the fans of ''Orange Lily'', ''Blossoming Trail'', and ''Voyage of Wisteria'' who are happy like to have a complete story and do not need to be dragged back in to the same problems pretend that each story overcame already.''Crocus'' never happened.



** While done with more tact than usual, the bits in the Pokémon World retread the same old "Goh finds out what Chloe went through and how he wasn't a good friend" and "people blaming the Cerises for Chloe's problems" nonsense that plagued the original trilogy and that the readership had grown sick of by the end of ''Blossoming Trail'', and the end of The Twisted Lab Car even repeats the "catharsis is damaging" Aesop the original story did, with as much chatter to boot.
** This trope reaches a fever pitch in chapter 20: many of the more controversial aspects of the Blossomverse (Professor Cerise bashing, people putting an unnecessary amount of focus on making Chloe happy, the writers punishing certain characters for reasons they themselves made up) are not only front and center, but the BlameGame is present across the entire chapter, with the "changes" done to the formula (Gladion being suicidal, Goh nearly quitting his job, and so on) doing nothing but adding ''even more'' darkness to an already dark and depressing story.
** Chloe's character has been seen as this by some readers. The story tries to allegedly paint her as "broken" compared to her ''Blossoming Trail'' self but given that she still pulls the same negative acts as before, plays MiseryPoker like nobody's business, exaggerates things, and has a tendency to be melodramatic, some readers question how this Chloe's supposed to any different from her ''Blossoming Trail'' counterpart.
** While the exacts aren't the same, ''again'' Ash has a very OOC moment following ''Cyan Desert'' that seems to exist only for drama. Only this time, while Ash blowing up at his mom had some time to build up, Ash just shrugging off [[spoiler: his Alolan Friends being in danger]] comes out of nowhere, making it a lazier source of drama than the first time.
** The relationship between Chloe and Goh has also gotten this complaint, with people seeing the two of them as equally as toxic, unreasonable, and unwilling to admit their faults like in the original trilogy, with them even going right back to square one should the least bit of new info paints them in a negative light.

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** While done with more tact than usual, the bits this fanfic in the Pokémon World retread repreats the same old "Goh finds out what Chloe went through and how he wasn't a good friend" and "people blaming the Cerises for Chloe's problems" nonsense that plagued the original trilogy and that the readership had grown sick of by the end of ''Blossoming Trail'', and the end of The Twisted Lab Car even repeats the "catharsis is damaging" Aesop the original story did, with as much chatter to boot.
** This trope reaches a fever pitch in chapter 20: many of the more controversial aspects of the Blossomverse (Professor Cerise bashing, people putting an unnecessary amount of focus on making Chloe happy, the writers punishing certain characters for reasons they themselves made up) are not only front and center, but the BlameGame is present across the entire chapter, with the "changes" done to the formula (Gladion being suicidal, Goh nearly quitting his job, and so on) doing nothing but adding ''even more'' darkness to an already dark and depressing story.
** Chloe's character has been seen as this by some readers. The story tries to allegedly paint her as "broken" compared to her ''Blossoming Trail'' self but given that she still pulls the same negative acts as before, plays MiseryPoker like nobody's business, exaggerates things, and has a tendency to be melodramatic, some readers question how this Chloe's supposed to any different from her ''Blossoming Trail'' counterpart.
** While the exacts aren't the same, ''again'' Ash has a very OOC moment following ''Cyan Desert'' that seems to exist only for drama. Only this time, while Ash blowing up at his mom had some time to build up, Ash just shrugging off [[spoiler: his Alolan Friends being in danger]] comes out of nowhere, making it a lazier source of drama than the first time.
** The relationship between Chloe and Goh has also gotten this complaint, with people seeing the two of them as equally as toxic, unreasonable, and unwilling to admit their faults like in the original trilogy, with them even going right back to square one should the least bit of new info paints them in a negative light.
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** Goh gets a lot of flak in story for favoring Pokemon based-friendships over human ones. This is meant to be a show of his lack of support both for and from Chloe. However, the way that others treat him and Chloe in story, it's easy to see why Goh would understandably prefer Pokemon over humans as friends. It's notable that in-story, the closest to a problem that exists between Goh and his Pokemon are their issues with Chloe's actions and desire to punish her, which compared to all the crap he gets from pretty much ''everyone else'' is nothing by comparison. It just goes to show that human/human bonds are in fact worse than those of humans/non-humans in the Crocusverse, especially seeing how Chloe's relationship with the Denizens and the problems in the Apex are also factored into the equation.

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** Goh gets a lot of flak in story for favoring Pokemon based-friendships over human ones. This is meant to be a show of his lack of support both for and from Chloe. However, considering how he's treated in the way that others treat him and Chloe in story, it's easy to see little wonder why Goh would understandably prefer Pokemon over humans as friends. It's notable that in-story, the closest to a problem that exists between Goh and his Pokemon are their issues with Chloe's actions and desire to punish her, which compared to all the crap he gets from pretty much ''everyone else'' is nothing by comparison. It just goes to show that human/human bonds are in fact worse than those company of humans/non-humans in the Crocusverse, especially seeing how Chloe's relationship with the Denizens and the problems in the Apex are also factored into the equation.Pokemon.



** Tomie snaps at Goh when he suggests that the reason why Chloe should've captured the Shiny Pumpkaboo was because she was the daughter of a professor. Thing is, looking at it another way, this could've served as the perfect point for Chloe and her father to actually bond, especially since the shiny Pumpkaboo was a Pokemon that Chloe actually ''liked'', and thus could've allowed them to become closer and not have such a strained relationship in the present day. But instead, Goh's made to look bad by making him seem no better than his classmates.

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** Tomie snaps at Goh when he suggests that the reason why Chloe should've captured the Shiny Pumpkaboo was because she was the daughter of a professor. Thing is, looking at it another way, professor, only to get shot shot down by his grandmother. However, this could've served as the perfect point for Chloe and her father to actually bond, especially since the shiny Pumpkaboo was a Pokemon that Chloe actually ''liked'', and thus could've allowed them to become closer and not have such a strained relationship in the present day. But instead, Goh's made to look bad by making him seem no better than his classmates.day.



** For those who don't see Chloe as a BaseBreakingCharacter and just straight up hate her, any of the times Goh rips her a new one and forces her to outright admit how she's ''also'' at fault for their failing friendship is also satisfying. This is followed up in the fourth Palimpsest car, where Goh is pretty blunt that if Chloe can't apologize properly she's never coming home, and noting that Ash and Goh's Pokemon have drawn up a ordered list to ''punch'' Chloe when she gets home for all the problems she caused.

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** For those who don't see Chloe as a BaseBreakingCharacter and just straight up hate her, any of the times time Goh rips her a new one and forces her to outright admit how she's ''also'' at fault for their failing friendship not innocent is also satisfying. This is followed up in the fourth Palimpsest car, where Goh is pretty blunt that if Chloe can't apologize properly she's never coming home, and noting that Ash and Goh's Pokemon have drawn up a ordered list to ''punch'' Chloe when she gets home for all the problems she caused.satisfying.



*** Goh calls out Trip's tendency to make Ash cry and otherwise emotionally wreck him, stating that he thinks that Ash should date ''anyone'' else but him because of the guy's abusive behavior.
*** Goh also mocks Gloria's tendency to call Chloe's history abusive, making it clear that when he says something is abusive, Goh means actually abusive and not what Gloria ''thinks'' is "abuse".

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*** Goh calls out Trip's tendency to make Trip for making Ash cry and otherwise emotionally wreck wrecking him, stating that he thinks that Ash should date ''anyone'' else but him because of the guy's abusive behavior.
*** Goh also mocks Gloria's tendency to call Chloe's history abusive, making it clear that when he says something is abusive, Goh means actually abusive and not what Gloria ''thinks'' is "abuse".



** How some people feel about Victor and Gloria. Initially brought into the story to replace Trip's controversial status, they quickly became wasted when not only do they fail to add anything new to the story, like repeating the same "Goh has to go to school" argument as the original story, but then go on to repeat the same mistakes that Trip did. Gloria has it a little worse, however, since her aggressive bouts of BrutalHonesty and the AnalogyBackfire of Chloe's situation did not endear her to many readers' hearts.
** To a much lesser extent, there's Sara. While not the most developed character in the original trilogy, she at least had a personality to her and implications of HiddenDepths. This story, however, goes so ham on turning her into a detestable HateSink of a bully that its attempts to give her depth by showing her home life fall a little flat and her [[spoiler: getting the power of the Unown]] was seen with skepticism at best and frustration at worst.

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** How some people feel about Victor and Gloria. Initially brought into the story to replace Trip's controversial status, they quickly became wasted when not only do they fail to add anything new to the story, like end up repeating the same "Goh has to go to school" argument as the original story, but story and then go on to repeat make the same mistakes that Trip did. Gloria has it a little worse, however, since her aggressive bouts of BrutalHonesty and the AnalogyBackfire of Chloe's situation did not endear her to many readers' hearts.
** To a much lesser extent, there's Sara. While not the most developed character in the original trilogy, she at least had a personality to her and implications of HiddenDepths. This story, however, goes so ham on turning turns her into a detestable CompleteMonster of a HateSink of a bully that its attempts to give her depth by showing her home life fall a little flat and her [[spoiler: getting destroying whatever good or sympathetic traits she had in the power of the Unown]] was seen with skepticism at best and frustration at worst.original trilogy.



** The intention of the story with Chloe was to show a different angle to her, this being that she was a broken girl. While this is an interesting idea on paper, it instead comes across as rehashing a lot of stuff done with her in early ''Blossoming Trail''.

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** The intention of the story with Chloe was to show a different angle to her, this being that she was a broken girl. While this is an interesting idea on paper, it It instead comes across as rehashing a lot of stuff done with her in early ''Blossoming Trail''.



** Several moments in Act 1 have the characters question why Class 5-E and Sara didn't just straight up ''go on a Pokemon journey'' rather than stay in school, which sounds like a decent setup for a proper exploration of the failings of the school system after the original trilogy did a shoddy job at focusing on it, like showing how either the students didn't have the resources to go on a journey like most people, or even that studying in the school was mandatory. However, no further focus is given to this plot point, with it ultimately coming across as yet another jab at how Class 5-E and Sara were too stupid for their own good.

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** Several moments in Act 1 have the characters question why Class 5-E and Sara didn't just straight up ''go on a Pokemon journey'' rather than stay in school, which sounds like a decent setup for a proper exploration of the failings of the school system after the original trilogy did a shoddy job at focusing on it, like showing how either the students didn't have the resources to go on a journey like most people, or even that studying in attending the school was mandatory. However, no further focus is given to this plot point, with it ultimately coming across as yet another jab at how Class 5-E and Sara were too stupid for their own good.



** As always, Ash and Goh are given flak for not knowing what Chloe wanted to do, when all evidence points that she was being clearly uncommunicative and they were extending plenty of open hands. The fact that both are blamed for not reading her mind or bending over backwards for her, just as in the previous early phase of ''Blossoming Trail'', is as poor of an attempt to shame the both as it was the first time around, and its repeat in ''Crocus'' is particularly unwelcome by the readers and critics.

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** As always, Ash and Goh are given flak for not knowing what Chloe wanted to do, when all evidence points that she was being clearly uncommunicative and while they were extending plenty of open hands. The fact that both are blamed for not reading her mind or bending over backwards for her, just as in the previous early phase of ''Blossoming Trail'', is as poor of an attempt to shame the both as it was the first time around, and its repeat in ''Crocus'' is particularly unwelcome by the readers and critics.hands.



** BackhandedApology aside, Ash and Chloe's talk at the beginning of Act 2 is supposed to establish that BothSidesHaveAPoint, and that both of them are guilty for the latter's current situation. However, it's hard not to see Ash as the more sympathetic one in the argument, because not only is the actual argument - that Ash didn't try to get to know Chloe any better - a heavily flawed one, but it conveniently ignores how Ash's issues were either downplayed or outright not there ''before Chloe had her hissy fit''.

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** BackhandedApology aside, Ash and Chloe's talk at the beginning of Act 2 is supposed to establish that BothSidesHaveAPoint, and that both of them are equally guilty for the latter's current situation. However, it's hard not to see Ash as the more sympathetic one in the argument, because not only is the actual argument - that Ash didn't try to get to know Chloe any better - a heavily flawed one, but it conveniently ignores how Ash's issues were either downplayed or outright not there ''before Chloe had her hissy fit''.
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* {{Narm}}: The more the story explores Chloe's past, the harder it becomes to take seriously. It was bad enough with the bullying at school, which nobody seemed to notice nor care about despite the fact that this was done to a professor's daughter, who's supposed to be a big deal. Even without that, however, [[UnreliableNarrator Chloe's own biased perception]] regarding her homelife is blown way out of proportion to make it seem worse than it already is, and yet is almost invariably taken as hard fact by almost everybody, who use it as a basis to call everyone out over not doing more to help her, despite the situation being much more complicated than that. It doesn't help that nine times out of ten, [[DoubleStandard whoever hears about what happened to Chloe will jump up and try to defend her and chastise who didn't, but won't even so much as lift a finger if they find out someone is facing something just as bad, if not worse than what she's talking about]].

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* DontShootTheMessage: Later down in Act 2 and by the end of Act 1, the story tries to make a message about how human relationships are important, and that in order to make them work, communication and empathy are required from both sides. This is a pretty good message... that ends up falling flat when considering the context: Vermillion City, the location that gets the most focus in the story, is filled with ''horrible'' people, ranging from bullies who'd destroy someone in order to get a Pokemon, to adults that could care less about what happens in the city as long as it isn't their problem. Not only that, but the main relationship used to exemplify this message, Goh and Chloe's strained friendship, only becomes more toxic and problematic the more we learn about not only Goh's communication issues, but
Plus, the more stable and healthy relationships are those between humans and ''non-humans'', like Goh and his Pokemon and Chloe and the Denizens of the train.

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* DontShootTheMessage: Later down in Act 2 and by the end of Act 1, the story tries to make a message about how human relationships are important, and that in order to make them work, communication and empathy are required from both sides. This is a pretty good message... that ends up falling flat when considering the context: Vermillion City, the location that gets the most focus in the story, is filled with ''horrible'' people, ranging from bullies who'd destroy someone in order to get a Pokemon, to adults that could care less about what happens in the city as long as it isn't their problem. Not only that, but the main relationship used to exemplify this message, Goh and Chloe's strained friendship, only becomes more toxic and problematic the more we learn about not only Goh's communication issues, but
Plus, the more stable and healthy relationships are those between humans and ''non-humans'', like Goh and his Pokemon and Chloe and the Denizens of the train.
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* {{Narm}}: The more the story explores/"expands" Chloe's past, the harder it becomes to take seriously. It was bad enough with the bullying at school, which nobody seemed to notice nor care about despite the fact that this was done to a professor's daughter, who's supposed to be a big deal. Even without that, however, [[UnreliableNarrator Chloe's own biased perception]] regarding her homelife is both blown way out of proportion to make it seem worse than it already is, and yet is almost invariably taken as hard fact by almost everybody, who use it as a basis to call everyone out over not doing more to help her, despite the situation being much more complicated than that. It doesn't help that nine times out of ten, [[DoubleStandard whoever hears about what happened to Chloe will jump up and try to defend her and chastise who didn't, but won't even so much as lift a finger if they find out someone is facing something just as bad, if not worse than what she's talking about]].

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* {{Narm}}: The more the story explores/"expands" explores Chloe's past, the harder it becomes to take seriously. It was bad enough with the bullying at school, which nobody seemed to notice nor care about despite the fact that this was done to a professor's daughter, who's supposed to be a big deal. Even without that, however, [[UnreliableNarrator Chloe's own biased perception]] regarding her homelife is both blown way out of proportion to make it seem worse than it already is, and yet is almost invariably taken as hard fact by almost everybody, who use it as a basis to call everyone out over not doing more to help her, despite the situation being much more complicated than that. It doesn't help that nine times out of ten, [[DoubleStandard whoever hears about what happened to Chloe will jump up and try to defend her and chastise who didn't, but won't even so much as lift a finger if they find out someone is facing something just as bad, if not worse than what she's talking about]].



** Parker is supposed in the right when he calls out the adults for [[spoiler:not confronting the Shadows that have been summoned by the Unown]] and treating him like a kid. Thing is, he's stuck in a wheelchair, he says this after Renji showed concern for him, and [[OutsideContextProblem they have no idea how to deal with the monsters]]. To make matters worse, he then ''approaches one of these monsters and tries to make contact with them'', without really explaining what he's doing, giving the adults even more reason to be afraid.
** Goh gets a lot of flak in story for favoring Pokemon based-friendships over human ones. This is meant to be a show of his lack of support both for and from Chloe. However, the way that others treat him and Chloe in story, it's easy to see why Goh would understandably prefer Pokemon over humans as friends. It's notable that in-story, the closest to a problem that exists between Goh and his Pokemon are their issues with Chloe's actions and desire to punish her (when the writer thinks that is a problem), which compared to the constant berating he gets from pretty much ''everyone else'' is nothing by comparison.
this would give the impression that human/human bonds are in fact worse than those of humans/non-humans in the Crocusverse, especially seeing how Chloe's relationship with the Denizens and the problems in the Apex are also factored into the equation.

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** Parker is supposed in the right when he calls out the adults for [[spoiler:not confronting the Shadows that have been summoned by the Unown]] and treating him like a kid. Thing is, he's stuck in a wheelchair, he says this after Renji showed concern for him, and [[OutsideContextProblem they have no idea how to deal with the monsters]]. To make matters worse, he then ''approaches one of these monsters and tries to make contact with them'', without really explaining what he's doing, giving the adults even more reason to be afraid.
** Goh gets a lot of flak in story for favoring Pokemon based-friendships over human ones. This is meant to be a show of his lack of support both for and from Chloe. However, the way that others treat him and Chloe in story, it's easy to see why Goh would understandably prefer Pokemon over humans as friends. It's notable that in-story, the closest to a problem that exists between Goh and his Pokemon are their issues with Chloe's actions and desire to punish her (when the writer thinks that is a problem), her, which compared to all the constant berating crap he gets from pretty much ''everyone else'' is nothing by comparison.
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comparison. It just goes to show that human/human bonds are in fact worse than those of humans/non-humans in the Crocusverse, especially seeing how Chloe's relationship with the Denizens and the problems in the Apex are also factored into the equation.



** In a variation, Chloe Cerise is seen as this by some people during Dr. Yung's attempt to break her. It's supposed to show that Chloe is a broken girl with severe trust issues. The problem is that the chapter that features this moment comes ''right after'' a chapter where Chloe and Goh talked things out, which, coupled with the ''phrasing'' of the moment in question, made it seem like Chloe [[AesopAmnesia didn't learn anything from that moment]], an idea that has gotten on the nerves of many in the ''Blossomverse'' fanbase.

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** In Parker is supposed in the right when he calls out the adults for [[spoiler:not confronting the Shadows that have been summoned by the Unown]] and treating him like a variation, kid. Thing is, he's stuck in a wheelchair, he says this after Renji showed concern for him, and [[OutsideContextProblem they have no idea how to deal with the monsters]]. To make matters worse, he then ''approaches one of these monsters and tries to make contact with them'', without really explaining what he's doing, giving the adults even more reason to be afraid.
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Chloe Cerise is seen as this by some people during Dr. Yung's attempt to break her. It's supposed to show that Chloe is a broken girl with severe trust issues. The problem is Given that the chapter that features this moment comes ''right after'' a the chapter where Chloe and Goh talked things out, which, coupled with the ''phrasing'' of the moment in question, made it seem like Chloe [[AesopAmnesia didn't learn anything from that moment]], an idea that has gotten on the nerves of many in the ''Blossomverse'' fanbase.moment]].
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* DesignatedHero: Chloe Cerise is supposedly a kind girl who was treated unfairly by her homeworld, but the picture painted of her is less than heroic: she has the gall to act shocked when her classmates ostracize her for harassing them with her horror interests, shunned her father when he couldn't uphold his promise to take her to softball camp, end and emotionally and verbally abused her ChildhoodFriend Goh simply for not giving her the time of day. Even when she tried to reconnect with Goh through a ghost hunt, which ended with Goh nearly drowning and catching a fever, she showed no concern for his health, caring more about her own interests instead. These and many more events portray Chloe more as someone who kept quiet about things that were bothering her, and then throw a temper tantrum when people didn't immediately pick up on them.

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* DesignatedHero: Chloe Cerise is supposedly a kind girl who was treated unfairly by her homeworld, but the picture painted of her is less than heroic: she has the gall to act shocked when her classmates ostracize her for harassing them with her horror interests, shunned and disowned her father when he couldn't uphold his promise to take her to softball camp, end and then emotionally and verbally abused her ChildhoodFriend Goh simply for not giving her the time of day. Even when she tried to reconnect with Goh through a ghost hunt, which ended with Goh nearly drowning and catching a fever, she showed no concern for his health, caring more about her own interests instead. These and many more events portray Chloe more as someone who kept quiet about things that were bothering her, and then throw a temper tantrum when people didn't immediately pick up on them.



** During the trial against Chloe in the Harvest Moon Car, Allighieri makes several points that Chloe should be separated from the Windchasers and Red Lotus Remnant, calling her spiteful, bratty, unwilling to learn her lessons, and just in general painting her as a terrible person who hurts the people that try to help her. This is supposed to make him loathsome and make us rejoice when [[spoiler:the Windchasers and Red Lotus Remnants win the trial and decide to stick to her side regardless]], but Allighieri ends up coming across as making some very valid points because Chloe has ''repeatedly'' shown herself as a toxic individual who drives away any help that people try to give her, yet demonizes those she believes are against her. Not only that, but she's responsible for [[spoiler:driving the Windchasers' leader ''into a suicidial state'', the very same one she's been dealing with]], and yet never truly faced consequences for it. In the end, it can easily come across as someone making a decent reason why someone is toxic and needs to be left behind, but others sticking by their side despite having little reason to do so.

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** During the trial against Chloe in the Harvest Moon Car, Allighieri makes several points that Chloe should be separated from the Windchasers and Red Lotus Remnant, calling her spiteful, bratty, unwilling to learn her lessons, and just in general painting her as a terrible person who hurts the people that try to help her. This is supposed to make him loathsome and make us rejoice when [[spoiler:the Windchasers and Red Lotus Remnants win the trial and decide to stick to stay with her side regardless]], but Allighieri ends up coming across as making some very valid points because Chloe has ''repeatedly'' shown proven herself as a toxic individual who drives away any help that people try to give her, yet demonizes those she believes are against her. Not only that, but her, plus she's responsible for [[spoiler:driving the Windchasers' leader ''into a suicidial state'', the very same one she's been dealing with]], and yet never truly faced consequences for it. In the end, it can easily come across as someone making a decent reason why someone is toxic and needs to be left behind, but others sticking by their side despite having little reason to do so.it.
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%%** Colette Caudeaux, otherwise known as [[spoiler:Chloe Cerise from the Arcanum Universe]]. Some people find the idea of [[spoiler:an alternate version of Chloe who's a bit more into Pokemon and proactive, and a ''lot'' less of a brat whom many would actually prefer to be following to her main counterpart,]] a little bit more refreshing than the main counterpart in the story, while some other people don't like the idea of there being ''yet another'' [[spoiler:Chloe Cerise]] shoved in a story that already has a ''multitude'' of characters and plot points trying to converge and tell a coherent narrative that all compete with each other and leave many of these plotlines, including the main Pokemon World, plotline, further underexplored in favor of that of Chloe Cerise's plotlines. A third camp does exist that doesn't ''mind'' her existence, but fear she might go down the same CharacterShilling and needlessly overpowered path that her primary counterpart went through.

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** One could even say ''Kalos itself'' is wasted. While initially presented as important due to several characters reacting to Sycamore missing, but once [[SpotlightStealingSquad Chloe and Vermillion City]] enter the picture, Kalos is completely forgotten except for a few cameos from characters once in a while, which isn't helped by the ''cavalcade'' of characters and plotlines that the story goes on to add to the Kanto side of the story.
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** A big part of [[spoiler:Marianne and the Fujihachi parents']] bad parenting skills is attributed to them consuming alcoholic drinks to the point it impaired their judgement. However, alcohol and alcoholic drinks in general are not depicted in the Pokémon universe whatsoever, with most drinks being either some form of fruit/berry juice or Soda Pop. The closest equivalent would be Shuckle Juice, and even that acts more like a mystery drink rather than something with alcohol in it.
** During the camping trip, it's stated that Chloe and Goh couldn't use the latter's phone to call for help because it was with him when he fell in the river, turning it useless. However, the phone would've been swept away by the current and Goh's panicking attempt to swim, and even if it had stayed there, most phones can survive up to 30 minutes underwater so long as the internal circuitry isn't exposed. Furthermore, if the phone really had been rendered useless, it would've short-circuited, ''electrocuting Goh'' long before the dangers of drowning set in.
** While the bullying that Chloe suffered does count as abuse, what she went through at the Cerise Institute and what Gloria refers to as such is not: abuse of any kind is traditionally defined as regularly/repeatedly treating someone cruelly or violently, something that the institute didn't do and instead was more done out of ignorance due to not knowing the full picture.
** The paint can incident got recorded by cameras, as Goh finds out when he, Victor and Gloria find a recording of it while checking his files. Most schools would draw the line at a student physically attacking another; Chloe's own declaration that she would kill Sara and her classmates would either result in her being expelled outright, or an investigation to discover what brought her to such a breaking point, which would end with ''everyone'' being expelled.

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** During the camping trip, it's stated that Chloe and Goh couldn't the latter's phone to call for help because it was with him when he nearly drowned, turning it useless. However, the phone would've been swept away by the current and Goh's panicking attempt to swim, and even if it had stayed there, most phones can survive up to 30 minutes underwater so long as the internal circuitry isn't exposed. Furthermore, if the phone really had been rendered useless, it would've been electrocuted, ''electrocuting Goh'' long before the dangers of drowning set in.
** While the bullying that Chloe suffered does count as abuse, what she went through at the Cerise Institute and what Gloria calls as such is not: abuse of any kind is traditionally defined as treating someone cruelly or violently, something that the institute didn't do and instead was more done out of ignorance due to not knowing the full picture.
** The paint can incident got recorded by cameras, as Goh finds out when he, Victor and Gloria find a recording of it while checking his files. Most schools would draw the line at a student physically attacking another; Chloe's own declaration that she would kill Sara and her classmates would either result in her being expelled outright, or an investigation to discover what brought her to such breaking point, which would end with ''everyone'' being expelled.
* DesignatedHero: Chloe Cerise. The story tries to paint her as a kind girl with a heart of gold who was treated unfairly by her homeworld. However, as the story goes on and more context is provided, the picture painted of her is less than heroic; she constantly bothered her classmates about her interest in horror in hopes that they'd eventually share it, but didn't consider they might grow to consider her a pest as a result. Her reaction to Sara pulling a Carrie on her was to beat her up with a paint can and ''proclaim she'd kill anyone who crossed her again'', only to act shocked when her classmates ostracized her. Her father cancelled her plans for a softball camp she wanted to go for a last minute conference, but Chloe took this to mean he never cared about her and thus shunned him. Goh, being so obssessed with Mew, barely gave Chloe the time of day, but she herself didn't help by ''never'' bringing this up and just expecting Goh to notice her on his own. When she tried to reconnect with Goh via ghost hunts, the first of which ended up with Goh nearly drowning and catching a fever, the week of which she didn't visit him but simply texted and called his parents eager to go on another ghost hunt with him once he's better while focusing on every part of the adventure except the part where Goh nearly died. These and many more events portray Chloe less as a heroic girl who was an unfortunate victim of her home life, and more as someone who kept quiet about things that were bothering her, and decided to throw a temper tantrum when people didn't immediately pick up on them.
* DesignatedVillain: Goh's parents are revealed to have been driving a wedge between Goh and Chloe by interfering with messages between the two. This, and the fact they blame Chloe for nearly getting their son killed and leaving him with a fever afterwards, is treated as them being in the wrong. However, as the above incident involved a ghost hunting expedition that nearly led to a seven year old boy drowning, after which Chloe [[SkewedPriorities showed little remorse and just wanted to go on more adventures because she had fun]], between the girl's lack of concern and the natural reaction of parents to their children being endangered, it's hard to fault them for wanting Chloe gone from their lives, much like Delia back in ''Blossoming Trail''. The main negative that is aimed at them for the event, that they were completely out of it at the time by using their rare vacation time to relax and unwind and had been drinking before falling out cold, doesn't do anything to mitigate the issues they have. At best, it just gives them a reason to be overly defensive about the incident, not that Chloe's behavior afterwards didn't have genuine reasons to create this reaction from them.

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** During the camping trip, it's stated that Chloe and Goh couldn't use the latter's phone to call for help because it was with him when he nearly drowned, fell in the river, turning it useless. However, the phone would've been swept away by the current and Goh's panicking attempt to swim, and even if it had stayed there, most phones can survive up to 30 minutes underwater so long as the internal circuitry isn't exposed. Furthermore, if the phone really had been rendered useless, it would've been electrocuted, short-circuited, ''electrocuting Goh'' long before the dangers of drowning set in.
** While the bullying that Chloe suffered does count as abuse, what she went through at the Cerise Institute and what Gloria calls refers to as such is not: abuse of any kind is traditionally defined as regularly/repeatedly treating someone cruelly or violently, something that the institute didn't do and instead was more done out of ignorance due to not knowing the full picture.
** The paint can incident got recorded by cameras, as Goh finds out when he, Victor and Gloria find a recording of it while checking his files. Most schools would draw the line at a student physically attacking another; Chloe's own declaration that she would kill Sara and her classmates would either result in her being expelled outright, or an investigation to discover what brought her to such a breaking point, which would end with ''everyone'' being expelled.
* DesignatedHero: Chloe Cerise. The story tries to paint her as Cerise is supposedly a kind girl with a heart of gold who was treated unfairly by her homeworld. However, as the story goes on and more context is provided, homeworld, but the picture painted of her is less than heroic; heroic: she constantly bothered her classmates about her interest in horror in hopes that they'd eventually share it, but didn't consider they might grow to consider her a pest as a result. Her reaction to Sara pulling a Carrie on her was to beat her up with a paint can and ''proclaim she'd kill anyone who crossed her again'', only has the gall to act shocked when her classmates ostracized her. Her ostracize her for harassing them with her horror interests, shunned her father cancelled when he couldn't uphold his promise to take her plans for a to softball camp she wanted to go camp, end and emotionally and verbally abused her ChildhoodFriend Goh simply for a last minute conference, but Chloe took this to mean he never cared about not giving her and thus shunned him. Goh, being so obssessed with Mew, barely gave Chloe the time of day, but she herself didn't help by ''never'' bringing this up and just expecting Goh to notice her on his own. When day. Even when she tried to reconnect with Goh via through a ghost hunts, the first of hunt, which ended up with Goh nearly drowning and catching a fever, the week of which she didn't visit him but simply texted and called showed no concern for his parents eager to go on another ghost hunt with him once he's better while focusing on every part of the adventure except the part where Goh nearly died. health, caring more about her own interests instead. These and many more events portray Chloe less as a heroic girl who was an unfortunate victim of her home life, and more as someone who kept quiet about things that were bothering her, and decided to then throw a temper tantrum when people didn't immediately pick up on them.
* DesignatedVillain: Goh's parents are revealed to have been driving a wedge between Goh and Chloe by interfering with messages between the two. This, and the fact two because they blame Chloe for nearly getting their son killed and leaving him with a fever afterwards, is treated as them being in the wrong. afterwards. However, as the above incident involved a ghost hunting expedition that nearly led to a seven year old boy year-old-boy drowning, after which Chloe [[SkewedPriorities showed little remorse and just wanted to go on more adventures because she had fun]], between the girl's lack of concern and the natural reaction of parents to their children being endangered, it's hard to fault them for wanting Chloe gone from their lives, much like Delia back in ''Blossoming Trail''. The main negative that is aimed at them for the event, that they were completely out of it at the time by using their rare vacation time to relax and unwind and had been drinking before falling out cold, doesn't do anything to mitigate the issues they have. At best, it just gives them a reason to be overly defensive about the incident, not that Chloe's behavior afterwards didn't have genuine reasons to create this reaction from them.Trail''.



** Chloe has quite a number of issues:
*** Early on, she [[AttentionWhore craves attention,]] has an [[ItsAllAboutMe inflated sense of self-importance]] as well as a [[LackOfEmpathy blatant disregard for other's feelings]], CantTakeCriticism (even if it's constructive) from third parties, blows up at the slightest offense, and is only friendly to people who stroke her ego while viewing anyone who disagrees with her as an enemy, which could indicate either Histrionic or Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
*** During the conference in the Chocolate Car, she experiences what are akin to anxiety attacks, as she's either ready to storm off when the Alola gang jump onto Augustine, cover her ears, or ''set something on fire'' at the slightest possibility of being mocked. And later when she's being assaulted by street cleaners in the Palimpsest Car, she has hallucinations of people putting her down.
*** According to Sara, Chloe constantly annoyed her classmates with her fascination for horror, and takes someone breaking a promise over something minor as serious as someone betraying her..
* DontShootTheMessage: Later down in Act 2 and by the end of Act 1, the story tries to make a message about how human relationships are important, and that in order to make them work, communication and empathy are required from both sides. This is a pretty good message... that ends up falling flat when considering the context: Vermillion City, the location that gets the most focus in the story, is filled with ''horrible'' people, ranging from bullies who'd bully someone in order to get a Pokemon, to adults that could care less about what happens in the city as long as it isn't their problem. Not only that, but the main relationship used to exemplify this message, Goh and Chloe's strained friendship, only becomes more toxic and problematic the more we learn about not only Goh's communication issues, but Chloe's inability to understand and be empathetic to other people, something they've had ''since they were children''. Not only that, but the more stable and healthy relationships are those between humans and ''non-humans'', like Goh and his Pokemon and Chloe and the Denizens of the train.

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** Chloe has quite a number of issues:
*** Early on, she
[[AttentionWhore craves attention,]] has an [[ItsAllAboutMe inflated sense of self-importance]] as well as a [[LackOfEmpathy blatant disregard for other's feelings]], CantTakeCriticism (even if it's constructive) from third parties, blows up at the slightest offense, and is only friendly to people who stroke her ego while viewing anyone who disagrees with her as an enemy, which could indicate either Histrionic or Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
*** During the conference in the Chocolate Car, she experiences what are akin to anxiety attacks, as she's either ready to storm off when the Alola gang jump onto Augustine, cover her ears, or ''set something on fire'' at the slightest possibility of being mocked. And later when she's being assaulted by street cleaners in the Palimpsest Car, she has hallucinations of people putting her down.
*** According to Sara, Chloe constantly annoyed her classmates with her fascination for horror, and takes someone breaking a promise over something minor as serious as someone betraying her..
* DontShootTheMessage: Later down in Act 2 and by the end of Act 1, the story tries to make a message about how human relationships are important, and that in order to make them work, communication and empathy are required from both sides. This is a pretty good message... that ends up falling flat when considering the context: Vermillion City, the location that gets the most focus in the story, is filled with ''horrible'' people, ranging from bullies who'd bully destroy someone in order to get a Pokemon, to adults that could care less about what happens in the city as long as it isn't their problem. Not only that, but the main relationship used to exemplify this message, Goh and Chloe's strained friendship, only becomes more toxic and problematic the more we learn about not only Goh's communication issues, but Chloe's inability to understand and be empathetic to other people, something they've had ''since they were children''. Not only that, but but
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the more stable and healthy relationships are those between humans and ''non-humans'', like Goh and his Pokemon and Chloe and the Denizens of the train.



** While done with more tact than usual, the bits in the Pokémon World retread the same old "Goh finds out what Chloe went through and how he wasn't a good friend" and "people calling out the Cerises for Chloe's problems" nonsense that plagued the original trilogy and that the readership had grown sick of by the end of ''Blossoming Trail'', and the end of The Twisted Lab Car even repeats the "catharsis is damaging" Aesop the original story did, with as much chatter to boot.

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** While done with more tact than usual, the bits in the Pokémon World retread the same old "Goh finds out what Chloe went through and how he wasn't a good friend" and "people calling out blaming the Cerises for Chloe's problems" nonsense that plagued the original trilogy and that the readership had grown sick of by the end of ''Blossoming Trail'', and the end of The Twisted Lab Car even repeats the "catharsis is damaging" Aesop the original story did, with as much chatter to boot.



** Chloe's character has been seen as this by some readers. The story tries to allegedly paint her as "broken" compared to her ''Blossoming Trail'' self but given that she still pulls the same spiteful acts as before, plays MiseryPoker like nobody's business, generally paints things as worse than they actually are and has a tendency to be overly dramatic, some readers question how this Chloe's supposed to any different from her ''Blossoming Trail'' counterpart.
** While the exacts aren't the same, ''again'' Ash has a very out of character moment following ''Cyan Desert'' that seems to exist only for drama. Only this time, while Ash blowing up at his mom had some time to build up, Ash just shrugging off [[spoiler: his Alolan Friends being in danger]] comes out of nowhere, making it a lazier source of drama than the first time.

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** Chloe's character has been seen as this by some readers. The story tries to allegedly paint her as "broken" compared to her ''Blossoming Trail'' self but given that she still pulls the same spiteful negative acts as before, plays MiseryPoker like nobody's business, generally paints things as worse than they actually are exaggerates things, and has a tendency to be overly dramatic, melodramatic, some readers question how this Chloe's supposed to any different from her ''Blossoming Trail'' counterpart.
** While the exacts aren't the same, ''again'' Ash has a very out of character OOC moment following ''Cyan Desert'' that seems to exist only for drama. Only this time, while Ash blowing up at his mom had some time to build up, Ash just shrugging off [[spoiler: his Alolan Friends being in danger]] comes out of nowhere, making it a lazier source of drama than the first time.



* {{Narm}}: The more the story explores/"expands" Chloe's past, the harder it becomes to take seriously. It was bad enough with the bullying at school, which nobody seemed to notice nor care about despite the fact that this was done to a professor's daughter, who's supposed to be a big deal. Even without that, however, [[UnreliableNarrator Chloe's own biased perception]] regarding her homelife is both blown way out of proportion to make it seem worse than it already is, and yet is almost invariably taken as hard fact by almost everybody, who use it as a basis to call everyone out over not doing more to help her, despite the situation being much more complicated than the surface level. It doesn't help that nine times out of ten, [[DoubleStandard whoever hears about what happened to Chloe will jump up and try to defend her and chastise who didn't, but won't even so much as lift a finger if they find out someone is facing something just as bad, if not worse than what she's talking about]].

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* {{Narm}}: The more the story explores/"expands" Chloe's past, the harder it becomes to take seriously. It was bad enough with the bullying at school, which nobody seemed to notice nor care about despite the fact that this was done to a professor's daughter, who's supposed to be a big deal. Even without that, however, [[UnreliableNarrator Chloe's own biased perception]] regarding her homelife is both blown way out of proportion to make it seem worse than it already is, and yet is almost invariably taken as hard fact by almost everybody, who use it as a basis to call everyone out over not doing more to help her, despite the situation being much more complicated than the surface level.that. It doesn't help that nine times out of ten, [[DoubleStandard whoever hears about what happened to Chloe will jump up and try to defend her and chastise who didn't, but won't even so much as lift a finger if they find out someone is facing something just as bad, if not worse than what she's talking about]].



** We're supposed to see Parker in the right when he calls out the adults for [[spoiler:not confronting the Shadows that have been summoned by the Unown]] and treating him like a kid. Thing is, he's stuck in a wheelchair, he says this after Renji showed concern for him, and [[OutsideContextProblem they have no idea how to deal with the monsters]]. To make matters worse, he then ''approaches one of these monsters and tries to make contact with them'', without really explaining what he's doing, giving the adults even more reason to be afraid.
** Goh gets a lot of flak in story for his tendency towards focusing on Pokemon based friendships over human ones. This is meant to be a show of his lack of support from Chloe. However, the way that others treat him and Chloe in story, from berating them to bullying them to the school cast in general just outright hating him, honestly makes it hard to see Goh's preference for Pokemon over humans as friends as being in the wrong. It's notable that in-story, the closest to a problem that exists between Goh and his Pokemon are their issues with Chloe's actions and desire to punish her (when the writer thinks that is a problem), which compared to the constant berating he gets from pretty much ''everyone else'' is nothing by comparison. It's not hard to believe that human and human bonds are in fact worse than those between humans and non-humans in the Crocusverse, especially seeing how Chloe's relationship with the Denizens and the problems in the Apex are also factored into the equation.
** We're supposed to see Grace's declaration that Chloe's a threat to The Apex and that she needs to die as proof of her being a DirtyCoward, with Sycamore wasting no time lambasting her over it. Thing is, she's correct in Chloe being a threat: compared to The Apex or even ''most'' Passengers in general, who are equipped with whatever garbage they can get their hands on, Chloe has the Cloak of Marchosias, which lets her turn into a fire-breathing wolf, and later gets a halo that lets her ''summon any demon she wants'', albeit only once. These two artifacts alone make Chloe such a PersonOfMassDestruction that she could annihilate not only The Apex, ''but cars on the Train'' with a snap of her fingers. Even without these artifacts, however, Chloe has something of a CultOfPersonality developing around the Denizens; ''every Denizen'' who hears about her and doesn't hate her guts or dislikes her ''praises her'' for her heroic acts, even worshipping the ground she walks on and ''seeing her like an actual Goddess''. All facts point to Chloe being a threat to not only The Apex, but ''all'' passengers, and the only people who deny Grace's statements are those who are unaware of how Chloe really is, or have a bone to pick with her and thus aren't willing to hear her out.
** Tomie snaps at Goh when he suggests that the reason why Chloe should've captured the Shiny Pumpkaboo was because she was the daughter of a professor. Thing is, looking at it another way, this could've served as the perfect point for Chloe and her father to actually bond, especially since the shiny Pumpkaboo was a Pokemon that Chloe actually ''liked'', and thus could've allowed them to become closer and not have such a strained relationship in the present day. But instead, Goh's made to look bad by making him seem no better than his classmates, which Tomie is quick to read him the riot act on.

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** We're Parker is supposed to see Parker in the right when he calls out the adults for [[spoiler:not confronting the Shadows that have been summoned by the Unown]] and treating him like a kid. Thing is, he's stuck in a wheelchair, he says this after Renji showed concern for him, and [[OutsideContextProblem they have no idea how to deal with the monsters]]. To make matters worse, he then ''approaches one of these monsters and tries to make contact with them'', without really explaining what he's doing, giving the adults even more reason to be afraid.
** Goh gets a lot of flak in story for his tendency towards focusing on favoring Pokemon based friendships based-friendships over human ones. This is meant to be a show of his lack of support both for and from Chloe. However, the way that others treat him and Chloe in story, from berating them to bullying them to the school cast in general just outright hating him, honestly makes it hard it's easy to see Goh's preference for why Goh would understandably prefer Pokemon over humans as friends as being in the wrong.friends. It's notable that in-story, the closest to a problem that exists between Goh and his Pokemon are their issues with Chloe's actions and desire to punish her (when the writer thinks that is a problem), which compared to the constant berating he gets from pretty much ''everyone else'' is nothing by comparison. It's not hard to believe that human and human bonds are in fact worse than those between humans and non-humans in the Crocusverse, especially seeing how Chloe's relationship with the Denizens and the problems in the Apex are also factored into the equation.
this would give the impression that human/human bonds are in fact worse than those of humans/non-humans in the Crocusverse, especially seeing how Chloe's relationship with the Denizens and the problems in the Apex are also factored into the equation.
** We're supposed to see Grace's declaration that Chloe's a threat to The Apex and that she needs to die as is supposed to be proof of her being a DirtyCoward, with Sycamore wasting no time lambasting her over it. Thing is, she's correct in Chloe being a threat: compared to The Apex or even ''most'' Passengers in general, who are equipped with whatever garbage they can get their hands on, Chloe has the Cloak of Marchosias, which lets her turn into a fire-breathing wolf, and later gets a halo that lets her ''summon any demon she wants'', albeit only once. These two artifacts alone make Chloe such a PersonOfMassDestruction that she could annihilate not only The Apex, ''but cars on the Train'' with a snap of her fingers. Even without these artifacts, however, Chloe has something of a CultOfPersonality developing around the Denizens; ''every Denizen'' who hears about her and doesn't hate her guts or dislikes her ''praises her'' for her heroic acts, even worshipping the ground she walks on and ''seeing her like an actual Goddess''. All facts point to Chloe being a threat to not only The Apex, but ''all'' passengers, and the only people who deny Grace's statements are those who are unaware of how Chloe really is, or have a bone to pick with her and thus aren't willing to hear her out.
** Tomie snaps at Goh when he suggests that the reason why Chloe should've captured the Shiny Pumpkaboo was because she was the daughter of a professor. Thing is, looking at it another way, this could've served as the perfect point for Chloe and her father to actually bond, especially since the shiny Pumpkaboo was a Pokemon that Chloe actually ''liked'', and thus could've allowed them to become closer and not have such a strained relationship in the present day. But instead, Goh's made to look bad by making him seem no better than his classmates, which Tomie is quick to read him the riot act on.classmates.

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** Victor and Gloria. Decent replacements to Trip in an attempt to minimize the self-righteous verbal abuse her hurled at people with his BrutalHonesty? Or wastes of characters who not only fail to separate themselves from their Trip-like role but, in Gloria's case, do it in a much more mean-spirited way than Trip himself did?



** There's also Professor Cerise, TheScapegoat of the Cerise Institute, not only getting to call out Gloria when her AnalogyBackfire goes a bit too far, but then is given the comfort he never really got on ''Blossoming Trail'' by being told that yes, what he's suffering is unfair, and no, everything going wrong doesn't fall squarely on him. Of course, as is ''Blossoming Trail'' tradition, such things are fleeting and the guy gets mistreated by the narrative shortly afterwards.



* DesignatedHero: Chloe Cerise. The story tries to paint her as a kind girl with a heart of gold who was treated unfairly by her homeworld. However, as the story goes on and more context is provided, the picture painted of her is less than heroic; she constantly bothered her classmates about her interest in horror in hopes that they'd eventually share it, but didn't consider they might grow to consider her a pest as a result. Her reaction to Sara pulling a Carrie on her was to beat her up with a paint can and ''proclaim she'd kill anyone who crossed her again'', only to act shocked when her classmates ostracized her. Her father cancelled her plans for a softball camp she wanted to go for a last minute conference, but Chloe took this to mean he never cared about her and thus shunned him. Goh, being so obssessed with Mew, barely gave Chloe the time of day, but she herself didn't help by ''never'' bringing this up and just expecting Goh to notice her on his own. When she tried to reconnect with Goh via ghost hunts, the first of which ended up with Goh nearly drowning and catching a fever, the week of which she didn't visit him but simply texted and called his parents eager to go on another ghost hunt with him once he's better while focusing on every part of the adventure except the part where Goh nearly died. These and many more events, portray Chloe less as a heroic girl who was an unfortunate victim of her home life, and more as someone who kept quiet about things that were bothering her, and decided to throw a temper tantrum when people didn't immediately pick up on them.

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* DesignatedHero: Chloe Cerise. The story tries to paint her as a kind girl with a heart of gold who was treated unfairly by her homeworld. However, as the story goes on and more context is provided, the picture painted of her is less than heroic; she constantly bothered her classmates about her interest in horror in hopes that they'd eventually share it, but didn't consider they might grow to consider her a pest as a result. Her reaction to Sara pulling a Carrie on her was to beat her up with a paint can and ''proclaim she'd kill anyone who crossed her again'', only to act shocked when her classmates ostracized her. Her father cancelled her plans for a softball camp she wanted to go for a last minute conference, but Chloe took this to mean he never cared about her and thus shunned him. Goh, being so obssessed with Mew, barely gave Chloe the time of day, but she herself didn't help by ''never'' bringing this up and just expecting Goh to notice her on his own. When she tried to reconnect with Goh via ghost hunts, the first of which ended up with Goh nearly drowning and catching a fever, the week of which she didn't visit him but simply texted and called his parents eager to go on another ghost hunt with him once he's better while focusing on every part of the adventure except the part where Goh nearly died. These and many more events, events portray Chloe less as a heroic girl who was an unfortunate victim of her home life, and more as someone who kept quiet about things that were bothering her, and decided to throw a temper tantrum when people didn't immediately pick up on them.



*** According to Sara, Chloe constantly annoyed her classmates with her fascination for horror, and takes someone breaking a promise over something minor as serious as someone betraying her.
** Sara's jealousy of Chloe and delight in tearing her down and mocking her misfortune is remincisent of Schadenfreude.
* DontShootTheMessage: Later down in Act 2 and by the end of Act 1, the story tries to make a message about how human relationships are important, and that in order to make them work, communication and empathy are required from both sides. This is a pretty good, if obvious message... that ends up falling a little flat when considering the context: Vermillion City, the location that gets the most focus in the story, is filled with ''horrible'' people, ranging from bullies who'd bully someone in order to get a Pokemon, to adults that could care less about what happens in the city as long as it isn't their problem. Not only that, but the main relationship used to exemplify this message, Goh and Chloe's strained friendship, only becomes more toxic and problematic the more we learn about not only Goh's communication issues, but Chloe's inability to understand and be empathetic to other people, something they've had ''since they were children''. Not only that, but the more stable and healthy relationships are those between humans and ''non-humans'', like Goh and his Pokemon and Chloe and the Denizens of the train.

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*** According to Sara, Chloe constantly annoyed her classmates with her fascination for horror, and takes someone breaking a promise over something minor as serious as someone betraying her.
** Sara's jealousy of Chloe and delight in tearing her down and mocking her misfortune is remincisent of Schadenfreude.
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* DontShootTheMessage: Later down in Act 2 and by the end of Act 1, the story tries to make a message about how human relationships are important, and that in order to make them work, communication and empathy are required from both sides. This is a pretty good, if obvious good message... that ends up falling a little flat when considering the context: Vermillion City, the location that gets the most focus in the story, is filled with ''horrible'' people, ranging from bullies who'd bully someone in order to get a Pokemon, to adults that could care less about what happens in the city as long as it isn't their problem. Not only that, but the main relationship used to exemplify this message, Goh and Chloe's strained friendship, only becomes more toxic and problematic the more we learn about not only Goh's communication issues, but Chloe's inability to understand and be empathetic to other people, something they've had ''since they were children''. Not only that, but the more stable and healthy relationships are those between humans and ''non-humans'', like Goh and his Pokemon and Chloe and the Denizens of the train.


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** Between Trip's replacements, Gloria is seen as this compared to Victor. While they both act as the person who executes BrutalHonesty in order to get the characters to learn where they went wrong, Gloria is much more aggressive about it than Trip, even going so far as to cause the professor to ''have a breakdown'', something that Trip never did in the original trilogy.

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* CriticalResearchFailure: A big part of [[spoiler:Marianne and the Fujihachi parents']] bad parenting skills is attributed to them consuming alcoholic drinks to the point it impaired their judgement. However, alcohol and alcoholic drinks in general are not depicted in the Pokémon universe whatsoever, with most drinks being either some form of fruit/berry juice or Soda Pop. The closest equivalent would be Shuckle Juice, and even that acts more like a mystery drink rather than something with alcohol in it.

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A big part of [[spoiler:Marianne and the Fujihachi parents']] bad parenting skills is attributed to them consuming alcoholic drinks to the point it impaired their judgement. However, alcohol and alcoholic drinks in general are not depicted in the Pokémon universe whatsoever, with most drinks being either some form of fruit/berry juice or Soda Pop. The closest equivalent would be Shuckle Juice, and even that acts more like a mystery drink rather than something with alcohol in it.it.
** During the camping trip, it's stated that Chloe and Goh couldn't the latter's phone to call for help because it was with him when he nearly drowned, turning it useless. However, the phone would've been swept away by the current and Goh's panicking attempt to swim, and even if it had stayed there, most phones can survive up to 30 minutes underwater so long as the internal circuitry isn't exposed. Furthermore, if the phone really had been rendered useless, it would've been electrocuted, ''electrocuting Goh'' long before the dangers of drowning set in.
** While the bullying that Chloe suffered does count as abuse, what she went through at the Cerise Institute and what Gloria calls as such is not: abuse of any kind is traditionally defined as treating someone cruelly or violently, something that the institute didn't do and instead was more done out of ignorance due to not knowing the full picture.
** The paint can incident got recorded by cameras, as Goh finds out when he, Victor and Gloria find a recording of it while checking his files. Most schools would draw the line at a student physically attacking another; Chloe's own declaration that she would kill Sara and her classmates would either result in her being expelled outright, or an investigation to discover what brought her to such breaking point, which would end with ''everyone'' being expelled.
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** Something that carries over from the original trilogy; the story reveals that it's possible for people inside the Train to interact with the people from outside of it. Not only does this trivialize the entire concept of the Infinity Train - which is that people are isolated from their friends and family until they get their numbers down to zero - but it makes the Train's status as a mystery to the Pokemon World even more absurd, since the Pokemon World already has technology capable of traveling through the multiverse, so the Train should be more well known outside of former passengers.
** Chloe's cloak being able to [[spoiler:convert the Mirage Pokémon into Denizens and free them from Dr. Yung's control]] can be seen as this. While the cloak was implied to be stronger than in the original continuity, [[spoiler:converting artificial beings into Denizens]] seems a bit too much for what's allegedly still Act 1, not to mention the obvious implication that [[OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow it was one of the only ways to stop the escalating conflict]]. Then, when the story tries to claim that Chloe [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter handled Dr. Yung better than Ash did]], it falls a little flat. Sure, one might uncharitably see the Mirage Mew's intervention as a cop-out, but "just happening" to have a cloak that can ''instantaneously turn Dr. Yung's entire army against him'' isn't any less of a DeusExMachina. Even the story concedes to that point, as Ash later says that he and Chloe were about equal in handling Dr Yung.
*** Likewise, the Cloak being able to [[spoiler:look into a person's soul ''outside of the Train'']] reeks of this, since at least the [[spoiler:Mirage-Denizen conversion]] happened within the Train. There's simply no excuse for the Cloak to be able to [[spoiler:''transcend dimensions.'']]
** The story eventually reveals [[spoiler:gods and demons]] exist in the Train. [[VoodooShark Ignoring the thousands of questions this brings]], it's clear that they just exist to explain why the Cloak is so powerful, and make Chloe seem more overpowered than she already is.
** Gloria is revealed to have lost her reflection due to a past brutal analogy. This was never hinted at prior to the reveal, and only gets brought up ''after'' Gloria made her damning analogy and got a rightful callout from Professor Cerise, making it seem less like an important moment for her and more like a desperate attempt by the narrative to absolve her of ''any'' responsibility regarding her honesty.
** During the Unown Arc, [[spoiler:a couple of Unown letters fall near Parker, and end up creating an Unown copy of Chloe as a result of his strong desire for her to come home.]] Even if [[spoiler:Parker]] wasn't the BaseBreakingCharacter that they are, most readers agree that the sequence of events that lead to this happening is too contrived to be believable.
** Ash ignoring the [[spoiler:Rainbow Rocket invasion]] and stating that his friends can "handle it" comes off as just an excuse to raise the stakes. And feels extremely out of character for the boy who has multiple times risked his life without a second thought for others, could easily travel there and back, and is the Champion of Alola ergo the strongest trainer in the region! The later revelation that [[spoiler:Nanu and Burnett told him to stay out of Alola for his safety]] might also count as this, if not for the fact that such a conversation was never even ''hinted at'' before the reveal.
** [[spoiler:Harmonic Storm]]'s existence can come across as this to those who ''don't'' [[ContinuityLockout know about Specter and Easter's history from Orange Lily]]. Considering the fact that everything we hear from the duo is how they treated each other ''horribly'' (with Specter being slightly more at fault, though Easter isn't entirely blameless), the fact they seem to be on such good terms that they [[spoiler:can fuse]] makes it seem like it comes out of nowhere. Even without that however, the fact that [[spoiler:Passenger-Denizen fusion]] is something that doesn't get foreshadowed at all before it happens can make it look like it came from nowhere, especially since ''only'' Specter and Easter are shown to do this.
** It's eventually revealed that [[spoiler:Elipzo has forces outside of the Infinity Train, and that Tokio's Nurse Joy is one such member.]] Not even taking into account how [[spoiler:Elipzo]] was never implied to have anything that allow them to do this, to have [[spoiler:Tokio land in the one Pokemon Center with the one Nurse Joy who's part of Elipzo]] seems like something that would only work under a mountain heap of coincidences and bad luck on [[spoiler:Tokio]]'s part.
** Before his talk with Chloe next chapter, Goh ends up meeting [[spoiler:Hannah and Daiki]] who end up revealing that [[spoiler:Chloe's battle with Ash was only seen as lame by her classmates, while everybody else thought it was cool that she at least tried.]] While it's perfectly reasonable that not everybody would have the same opinion on [[spoiler:the Ash versus Chloe fight]] back at school, the fact that this was never mentioned by ''any'' of the other students or teachers is highly questionable, especially since this is coming from characters who [[RememberTheNewGuy were never referenced beforehand despite having had some history with Chloe]].
** Alongside the reveal of students that [[spoiler:thought Chloe was cool for trying to fight Ash]], it also reveals that she once submitted a horror story to a magazine contest, while they would be too scared to post anything on the school newspaper. While the former is something that ''did'' happen in the original trilogy, neither it nor the school newspaper were ever mentioned beforehand, with all pointing to Chloe keeping her stories to herself after it failed to get her classmates' attention.
** The Palimpsest Car reveals the existence of [[spoiler:Moonlight Passengers, people who somehow managed to enter the train despite not being at a crossroads for the train to pick them up.]] Even without considering the lack of foreshadowing to this idea, it slightly undermines the Train's existence as a mystical endless train, [[spoiler:implying that anybody could eventually show up for one reason or another, trivializing the whole number and self-development part of the train.]]
** Chapter 45 reveals more about Goh and Chloe's past: during a ghost hunting trip in Kalos, Goh nearly ''drowned'' as a result, and Chloe, while going on a quest to save him, showed no concern or remorse over how he nearly died that it led to his parents to try and keep them apart. This revelation was ''never'' foreshadowed at all in the entirety of Act 1, and it contradicts the constantly-mentioned fact that Chloe simply does not like Pokemon.
** Furthermore, Goh's parents having grown to hate Chloe for the above moment and lying their son to keep them apart. Goh's parents didn't appear ''once'' before chapter 45, where the past gets revealed, and the way it's written makes it come across like yet another attempt to absolve Chloe of any wrongdoing at the expense of another character, and completely ruins any positive or sympathetic traits they had.
** The reason for Goh and Chloe going into the woods in the first place? The Cerise and Fujihachi families decided to take a vacation to Kalos. Ignoring the fact the latter family has had so little presence it doesn't suggest they were close to the former, that the families would even decide that Kalos, a place whose woods are said to be ''haunted'', was a good vacation spot feels like a move too risky even for them.
** Also regarding the flashback, it turns out that Goh chastising Chloe for not having a dream originally happened here, with him snapping at Chloe as she shows concern over him looking for a Vivillion. While this does have Chloe's reaction to the comment make more sense than if it had been a one and done deal, the idea that a ''seven year old'' would not only be so sure about having a dream but even call out someone else for a lack of it seems a bit farfetched, even if Goh's the one saying it.
** During their talk at the Harvest Moon Car, Chloe tells Goh that his quest for Mew made him popular among their classmates, despite the fact there were no prior hints of this popularity and contradicts both the story's constant showcasing of Goh as a ''pariah'' and Hannah and Daiki's statement ''in the previous chapter'' that his classmates hated him.
** Also from their talk in the Harvest Moon Car, Chloe reveals that the reason she decided to become a powerful badass warrior on the Infinity Train was because of Goh, as she thought that he would like her as a friend if she acted like that. The problem is that the story doesn't give this interpretation at all; if anything, the story seems to go with the interpretation that Chloe became a powerful warrior to both [[ShutUpHannibal shut up the people who bullied her back home]] and [[NeverBeHurtAgain to ensure nobody would ever hurt her again]], with Goh having next to nothing to do with it.
** Near the end of the Harvest Moon Car, we end up learning why Allighieri, who at that point had been gung-ho in attacking Chloe, is so quick to attack her: some time ago, he encountered a passenger and denizen duo known as Armand and Nal, and it was Armand, the human, who defeated him. This was never foreshadowed prior to the revelation, and considering how he was a HateSink in his entire presence up to that point, giving him an actual reason to attack Chloe seems rather superfluous for a character who's ''meant'' to be hated.
** The climax of the first act involves [[spoiler:Chloe and some of her allies showing up during the Unown attack in order to fight back against Sara and her Unown-spawned Shadows]]. Communication being possible between the Infinity Train and the multiverse and the former still being unknown was already farfetched, [[spoiler:temporarily sending people back to their homeworld]] just blatantly trivializes the entire point of the train in the first place.
** Also from the climax of the first act, [[spoiler:Parker discovers the weakness of the Shadows by approaching one and accepting it]]. The fact that [[spoiler:Sara]] would make the entities work the same way as their game counterparts comes across as OOC for them, since it's made very clear they want nothing more than to make people suffer, and [[spoiler:Parker]] being the one to figure out how to beat them just seems like an extra middle finger being given to the adult characters for not being useful at all across the first act.
** Sometime after Mallow discovers her idea that "there weren't trains in Alola" wasn't correct, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Elipzo brainwashed her during her Train trip so that she couldn't find anything train-related in her research]]. [[spoiler:Elipzo]] being involved on why she'd think about it in the first place across as a needless attempt to turn a simple mistake into something more complex.

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AssPull: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/AssPull/InfinityTrainSeekerOfCrocus Now with the people from outside of it. Not only does this trivialize the entire concept of the Infinity Train - which is that people are isolated from their friends and family until they get their numbers down to zero - but it makes the Train's status as a mystery to the Pokemon World even more absurd, since the Pokemon World already has technology capable of traveling through the multiverse, so the Train should be more well known outside of former passengers.
** Chloe's cloak being able to [[spoiler:convert the Mirage Pokémon into Denizens and free them from Dr. Yung's control]] can be seen as this. While the cloak was implied to be stronger than in the original continuity, [[spoiler:converting artificial beings into Denizens]] seems a bit too much for what's allegedly still Act 1, not to mention the obvious implication that [[OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow it was one of the only ways to stop the escalating conflict]]. Then, when the story tries to claim that Chloe [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter handled Dr. Yung better than Ash did]], it falls a little flat. Sure, one might uncharitably see the Mirage Mew's intervention as a cop-out, but "just happening" to have a cloak that can ''instantaneously turn Dr. Yung's entire army against him'' isn't any less of a DeusExMachina. Even the story concedes to that point, as Ash later says that he and Chloe were about equal in handling Dr Yung.
*** Likewise, the Cloak being able to [[spoiler:look into a person's soul ''outside of the Train'']] reeks of this, since at least the [[spoiler:Mirage-Denizen conversion]] happened within the Train. There's simply no excuse for the Cloak to be able to [[spoiler:''transcend dimensions.'']]
** The story eventually reveals [[spoiler:gods and demons]] exist in the Train. [[VoodooShark Ignoring the thousands of questions this brings]], it's clear that they just exist to explain why the Cloak is so powerful, and make Chloe seem more overpowered than she already is.
** Gloria is revealed to have lost her reflection due to a past brutal analogy. This was never hinted at prior to the reveal, and only gets brought up ''after'' Gloria made her damning analogy and got a rightful callout from Professor Cerise, making it seem less like an important moment for her and more like a desperate attempt by the narrative to absolve her of ''any'' responsibility regarding her honesty.
** During the Unown Arc, [[spoiler:a couple of Unown letters fall near Parker, and end up creating an Unown copy of Chloe as a result of his strong desire for her to come home.]] Even if [[spoiler:Parker]] wasn't the BaseBreakingCharacter that they are, most readers agree that the sequence of events that lead to this happening is too contrived to be believable.
** Ash ignoring the [[spoiler:Rainbow Rocket invasion]] and stating that his friends can "handle it" comes off as just an excuse to raise the stakes. And feels extremely out of character for the boy who has multiple times risked his life without a second thought for others, could easily travel there and back, and is the Champion of Alola ergo the strongest trainer in the region! The later revelation that [[spoiler:Nanu and Burnett told him to stay out of Alola for his safety]] might also count as this, if not for the fact that such a conversation was never even ''hinted at'' before the reveal.
** [[spoiler:Harmonic Storm]]'s existence can come across as this to those who ''don't'' [[ContinuityLockout know about Specter and Easter's history from Orange Lily]]. Considering the fact that everything we hear from the duo is how they treated each other ''horribly'' (with Specter being slightly more at fault, though Easter isn't entirely blameless), the fact they seem to be on such good terms that they [[spoiler:can fuse]] makes it seem like it comes out of nowhere. Even without that however, the fact that [[spoiler:Passenger-Denizen fusion]] is something that doesn't get foreshadowed at all before it happens can make it look like it came from nowhere, especially since ''only'' Specter and Easter are shown to do this.
** It's eventually revealed that [[spoiler:Elipzo has forces outside of the Infinity Train, and that Tokio's Nurse Joy is one such member.]] Not even taking into account how [[spoiler:Elipzo]] was never implied to have anything that allow them to do this, to have [[spoiler:Tokio land in the one Pokemon Center with the one Nurse Joy who's part of Elipzo]] seems like something that would only work under a mountain heap of coincidences and bad luck on [[spoiler:Tokio]]'s part.
** Before his talk with Chloe next chapter, Goh ends up meeting [[spoiler:Hannah and Daiki]] who end up revealing that [[spoiler:Chloe's battle with Ash was only seen as lame by her classmates, while everybody else thought it was cool that she at least tried.]] While it's perfectly reasonable that not everybody would have the same opinion on [[spoiler:the Ash versus Chloe fight]] back at school, the fact that this was never mentioned by ''any'' of the other students or teachers is highly questionable, especially since this is coming from characters who [[RememberTheNewGuy were never referenced beforehand despite having had some history with Chloe]].
** Alongside the reveal of students that [[spoiler:thought Chloe was cool for trying to fight Ash]], it also reveals that she once submitted a horror story to a magazine contest, while they would be too scared to post anything on the school newspaper. While the former is something that ''did'' happen in the original trilogy, neither it nor the school newspaper were ever mentioned beforehand, with all pointing to Chloe keeping her stories to herself after it failed to get her classmates' attention.
** The Palimpsest Car reveals the existence of [[spoiler:Moonlight Passengers, people who somehow managed to enter the train despite not being at a crossroads for the train to pick them up.]] Even without considering the lack of foreshadowing to this idea, it slightly undermines the Train's existence as a mystical endless train, [[spoiler:implying that anybody could eventually show up for one reason or another, trivializing the whole number and self-development part of the train.]]
** Chapter 45 reveals more about Goh and Chloe's past: during a ghost hunting trip in Kalos, Goh nearly ''drowned'' as a result, and Chloe, while going on a quest to save him, showed no concern or remorse over how he nearly died that it led to his parents to try and keep them apart. This revelation was ''never'' foreshadowed at all in the entirety of Act 1, and it contradicts the constantly-mentioned fact that Chloe simply does not like Pokemon.
** Furthermore, Goh's parents having grown to hate Chloe for the above moment and lying their son to keep them apart. Goh's parents didn't appear ''once'' before chapter 45, where the past gets revealed, and the way it's written makes it come across like yet another attempt to absolve Chloe of any wrongdoing at the expense of another character, and completely ruins any positive or sympathetic traits they had.
** The reason for Goh and Chloe going into the woods in the first place? The Cerise and Fujihachi families decided to take a vacation to Kalos. Ignoring the fact the latter family has had so little presence it doesn't suggest they were close to the former, that the families would even decide that Kalos, a place whose woods are said to be ''haunted'', was a good vacation spot feels like a move too risky even for them.
** Also regarding the flashback, it turns out that Goh chastising Chloe for not having a dream originally happened here, with him snapping at Chloe as she shows concern over him looking for a Vivillion. While this does have Chloe's reaction to the comment make more sense than if it had been a one and done deal, the idea that a ''seven year old'' would not only be so sure about having a dream but even call out someone else for a lack of it seems a bit farfetched, even if Goh's the one saying it.
** During their talk at the Harvest Moon Car, Chloe tells Goh that his quest for Mew made him popular among their classmates, despite the fact there were no prior hints of this popularity and contradicts both the story's constant showcasing of Goh as a ''pariah'' and Hannah and Daiki's statement ''in the previous chapter'' that his classmates hated him.
** Also from their talk in the Harvest Moon Car, Chloe reveals that the reason she decided to become a powerful badass warrior on the Infinity Train was because of Goh, as she thought that he would like her as a friend if she acted like that. The problem is that the story doesn't give this interpretation at all; if anything, the story seems to go with the interpretation that Chloe became a powerful warrior to both [[ShutUpHannibal shut up the people who bullied her back home]] and [[NeverBeHurtAgain to ensure nobody would ever hurt her again]], with Goh having next to nothing to do with it.
** Near the end of the Harvest Moon Car, we end up learning why Allighieri, who at that point had been gung-ho in attacking Chloe, is so quick to attack her: some time ago, he encountered a passenger and denizen duo known as Armand and Nal, and it was Armand, the human, who defeated him. This was never foreshadowed prior to the revelation, and considering how he was a HateSink in his entire presence up to that point, giving him an actual reason to attack Chloe seems rather superfluous for a character who's ''meant'' to be hated.
** The climax of the first act involves [[spoiler:Chloe and some of her allies showing up during the Unown attack in order to fight back against Sara and her Unown-spawned Shadows]]. Communication being possible between the Infinity Train and the multiverse and the former still being unknown was already farfetched, [[spoiler:temporarily sending people back to their homeworld]] just blatantly trivializes the entire point of the train in the first place.
** Also from the climax of the first act, [[spoiler:Parker discovers the weakness of the Shadows by approaching one and accepting it]]. The fact that [[spoiler:Sara]] would make the entities work the same way as their game counterparts comes across as OOC for them, since it's made very clear they want nothing more than to make people suffer, and [[spoiler:Parker]] being the one to figure out how to beat them just seems like an extra middle finger being given to the adult characters for not being useful at all across the first act.
** Sometime after Mallow discovers her idea that "there weren't trains in Alola" wasn't correct, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Elipzo brainwashed her during her Train trip so that she couldn't find anything train-related in her research]]. [[spoiler:Elipzo]] being involved on why she'd think about it in the first place across as a needless attempt to turn a simple mistake into something more complex.
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** Also from the climax of the first act, [[spoiler:Parker discovers the weakness of the Shadows by approaching one and accepting it]]. The fact that [[spoiler:Sara]] would make the entities work the same way as their game counterparts comes across as OOC for them, since it's made very clear they want nothing more than to make people suffer, and [[spoiler:Parker]] being the one to figure out how to beat them just seems like an extra middle finger being given to the adult characters for not being useful at all across the first act.
** Sometime after Mallow discovers her idea that "there weren't trains in Alola" wasn't correct, it's revealed that [[spoiler:Elipzo brainwashed her during her Train trip so that she couldn't find anything train-related in her research]]. [[spoiler:Elipzo]] being involved on why she'd think about it in the first place across as a needless attempt to turn a simple mistake into something more complex.
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** Parker Cerise once again falls victim to this trope during his talk with Goh and Gloria regarding General Shepherd. We're supposed to see him in the right when he not only calls out the two of them for not listening to him, but when he turns out to be right regarding the general being able to turn into Pyramid Head. However, not only does he shoot himself in the foot by revealing a twist in the Silent Hill games that makes the duo of Goh and Gloria too scared to find out what else he knows, but he acts in such a bratty and spiteful manner that he comes across as throwing a temper tantrum because somebody didn't think he was right rather than reacting to being identified as just a kid. Plus, his supposed correct assumption regarding Pyramid Head is only ''one'' possible ending in a spin-off game, and he never humors the idea of the other endings, making him appear less like the Silent Hill expert the story ''wants'' to paint him as, and more like an arrogant KnowNothingKnowItAll who just so happened to be right once and ran with it.

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