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** No one, not even [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Mabel herself]] found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pines family for their shared role in starting the apocalypse. Bill never even taunts her about it or tries to use it as a means to turn the rest of the group against her, which seems like it would've been a better way to disrupt the Zodiac circle than the rather petty fight between between Ford and Stan.
*** [[spoiler: This is however finally addressed in the comics.]]

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** No one, not even [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Mabel herself]] found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pines family for their shared role in starting the apocalypse. Bill never even taunts her about it or tries to use it as a means to turn the rest of the group against her, which seems like it would've been a better way to disrupt the Zodiac circle than the rather petty fight between between Ford and Stan.
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** The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects [[TookALevelInKindness Pacifica]]. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.

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** The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects [[TookALevelInKindness Pacifica]]. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.anything.
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** The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects [[TookALevelInKindness Pacifica]]. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.
* WhatAnIdiot: When Bill revived Ford and explains how he and his minions are trapped in Gravity Falls somehow, Ford states that he researched this and reveals he knows how to reverse it with a simple equation. Why did he need to reveal that part to Bill at all? Why not just say he had no idea how to reverse the effect, to try to buy more time, instead of saying "I know what you need, but I'll never tell you"?
** Because then Bill would just have killed him or put him back as a statue instead of keeping him around to think of a way to beat him. [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E11HeavenSent The first rule of being interrogated is that you are the only irreplaceable person in the torture chamber.]]

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** The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects [[TookALevelInKindness Pacifica]]. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.
* WhatAnIdiot: When Bill revived Ford and explains how he and his minions are trapped in Gravity Falls somehow, Ford states that he researched this and reveals he knows how to reverse it with a simple equation. Why did he need to reveal that part to Bill at all? Why not just say he had no idea how to reverse the effect, to try to buy more time, instead of saying "I know what you need, but I'll never tell you"?
** Because then Bill would just have killed him or put him back as a statue instead of keeping him around to think of a way to beat him. [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E11HeavenSent The first rule of being interrogated is that you are the only irreplaceable person in the torture chamber.]]
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* WhatAnIdiot: When Bill revived Ford and explains how he and his minions are trapped in Gravity Falls somehow, Ford states that he researched this and reveals he knows how to reverse it with a simple equation. Why did he need to reveal that part to Bill at all? Why not just say he had no idea how to reverse the effect, to try to buy more time, instead of saying "I know what you need, but I'll never tell you"?

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* WhatAnIdiot: When Bill revived Ford and explains how he and his minions are trapped in Gravity Falls somehow, Ford states that he researched this and reveals he knows how to reverse it with a simple equation. Why did he need to reveal that part to Bill at all? Why not just say he had no idea how to reverse the effect, to try to buy more time, instead of saying "I know what you need, but I'll never tell you"?you"?
** Because then Bill would just have killed him or put him back as a statue instead of keeping him around to think of a way to beat him. [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E11HeavenSent The first rule of being interrogated is that you are the only irreplaceable person in the torture chamber.]]
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*** [[spoiler: This is however finally addressed in the comics, although the other characters still don't find out.]]

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*** [[spoiler: This is however finally addressed in the comics, although the other characters still don't find out.comics.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: On the other hand, Bill definitely shows [[CompleteMonster who he truly is]] when he blackmails Ford by threatening to kill the children if he does not comply.

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* MoralEventHorizon: On the other hand, Bill definitely shows [[CompleteMonster who he truly is]] is when he blackmails Ford by threatening to kill the children if he does not comply.
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*** [[spoiler: This is however finally addressed in the comics.]]

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*** [[spoiler: This is however finally addressed in the comics.comics, although the other characters still don't find out.]]
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** The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects Pacifica. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.

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** The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects Pacifica.[[TookALevelInKindness Pacifica]]. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After previous episodes earned Ford a lot of hatred from fans due to his disregard for both Stanley and Mabel's feelings, this episode truly made Ford well-liked by the fans where not only is he willing to do anything to keep Dipper ''and'' Mabel safe but also realize just how much of a jerk to Stanley. It ultimately makes Ford's realization that he "killed" Stan all the more sympathetic.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After previous episodes earned Ford a lot of hatred from fans due to his disregard for both Stanley and Mabel's feelings, this episode truly made Ford well-liked by the fans where not only is he willing to do anything to keep Dipper ''and'' Mabel safe but also realize just how much of a jerk he's been to Stanley. It ultimately makes Ford's realization that he "killed" Stan all the more sympathetic.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Bill definitely shows [[CompleteMonster who he truly is]] when he blackmails Ford by threatening to kill the children if he does not comply.

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* MoralEventHorizon: On the other hand, Bill definitely shows [[CompleteMonster who he truly is]] when he blackmails Ford by threatening to kill the children if he does not comply.



** No one, not even [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Mabel herself]] found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pines family for their shared role in starting the apocalypse in the first place. Bill never even taunts her about it or tries to use it as a means to turn the rest of the group against her, which seems like it would've been a better way to disrupt the Zodiac circle than the rather petty fight between between Ford and Stan.

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** No one, not even [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Mabel herself]] found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pines family for their shared role in starting the apocalypse in the first place.apocalypse. Bill never even taunts her about it or tries to use it as a means to turn the rest of the group against her, which seems like it would've been a better way to disrupt the Zodiac circle than the rather petty fight between between Ford and Stan.



** Considering his blatant disregard for Mabel's feelings when offering his apprenticeship to Dipper, you would think that Ford would apologize to Mabel for it. Nope the concept regarding the apprenticeship is all but abandoned unless you consider him doing it offscreen during the one week time.
** Stan's amnesia lasted all but five minutes with him gaining his memories in only 15 minutes after Ford erased him. In fact, he pretty much regained his memories back without indication of an amnesia in the first place by the Pine twins' birthday.

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** Considering his blatant disregard for Mabel's feelings when offering his apprenticeship to Dipper, you would think that Ford would apologize to Mabel for it. Nope the concept regarding Instead, the apprenticeship idea is all but abandoned unless you consider him doing it offscreen during the one week time.
** Stan's amnesia lasted all but five minutes with him gaining his memories in only of 15 minutes after Ford erased him. minutes. In fact, he pretty much regained his memories back without indication of an amnesia in the first place by the Pine twins' birthday.place.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After previous episodes earn Ford a lot of hatred from fans due to his disregard for both Stanley and Mabel's feelings, this episode truly made Ford well-liked by the fans where not only is he willing to do anything to keep Dipper ''and'' Mabel safe but also realize just how much of a jerk to Stanley. It ultimately makes Fords realization that he "killed" Stan made him all the more sympathetic.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After previous episodes earn earned Ford a lot of hatred from fans due to his disregard for both Stanley and Mabel's feelings, this episode truly made Ford well-liked by the fans where not only is he willing to do anything to keep Dipper ''and'' Mabel safe but also realize just how much of a jerk to Stanley. It ultimately makes Fords Ford's realization that he "killed" Stan made him all the more sympathetic.
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** The revelation that the ten symbols constantly seen throughout the series are part of a ritual to vanquish Bill becomes an AntiClimax when Stan and Ford get into a fight and ruin the ritual before Bill captures everyone the symbols represent, forcing the Pines to defeat Bill through different means. Some argue this was a brilliant subversion of expectations, while others find it a cop-out.

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** The revelation that the ten symbols constantly seen throughout the series are part of a ritual to vanquish Bill becomes an AntiClimax when Stan and Ford get into a fight and ruin the ritual before Bill captures everyone the symbols represent, forcing the Pines to defeat Bill through different means. Some argue this was a brilliant subversion of expectations, expectations (aided by Alex Hirsch already being an infamous TrollingCreator), while others find it a cop-out.
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** The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects Pacifica. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.

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** The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects Pacifica. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.anything.
* WhatAnIdiot: When Bill revived Ford and explains how he and his minions are trapped in Gravity Falls somehow, Ford states that he researched this and reveals he knows how to reverse it with a simple equation. Why did he need to reveal that part to Bill at all? Why not just say he had no idea how to reverse the effect, to try to buy more time, instead of saying "I know what you need, but I'll never tell you"?
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** No one, not even [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Mabel herself]] found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pines family for their shared role in starting the apocalypse in the first place.

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** No one, not even [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Mabel herself]] found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pines family for their shared role in starting the apocalypse in the first place. Bill never even taunts her about it or tries to use it as a means to turn the rest of the group against her, which seems like it would've been a better way to disrupt the Zodiac circle than the rather petty fight between between Ford and Stan.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects Pacifica. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: To some, Gideon is this. Even after his HeelFaceTurn his past actions aren't really excusable.

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** Despite it being a KarmicDeath, many fans felt sorry for Bill when he started [[VillainsWantMercy begging for his life]].
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The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects Pacifica. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: To some, Gideon is this. Even after his HeelFaceTurn his past actions aren't really excusable.
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** Considering his blatant disregard for Mabel's feelings before Weirdmageddon started you would think that Ford would apologize to Mabel for it. Nope the concept regarding the apprenticeship is all but abandoned unless you consider him doing it offscreen during the one week time.

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** Considering his blatant disregard for Mabel's feelings before Weirdmageddon started when offering his apprenticeship to Dipper, you would think that Ford would apologize to Mabel for it. Nope the concept regarding the apprenticeship is all but abandoned unless you consider him doing it offscreen during the one week time.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After previous episodes earn Ford a lot of hatred from fans due to his disregard for both Stanley and Mabel's feelings, this episode truly made Ford well-liked by the fans where not only is he willing to do anything to keep Dipper ''and'' Mabel safe but also realize just how much of a jerk to Stanley. It ultimately makes Fords realization that he "killed" Stan made him all the more sympathetic.


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** Considering his blatant disregard for Mabel's feelings before Weirdmageddon started you would think that Ford would apologize to Mabel for it. Nope the concept regarding the apprenticeship is all but abandoned unless you consider him doing it offscreen during the one week time.
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** Ford never genuinely thanked Stanley for all he done, only a half-hearted one. By the time they reconcile, this concept is dropped altogether.

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** Ford never genuinely thanked Stanley for all he had done, only a half-hearted one. By the time they reconcile, this concept is dropped altogether.
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** Stan's amnesia lasted all but five minutes with him gaining his memories in only 15 minutes after Ford erased him. In fact, he pretty much regained his memories back without indication of an amnesia in the first place by the Pine twins birthday.

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** Stan's amnesia lasted all but five minutes with him gaining his memories in only 15 minutes after Ford erased him. In fact, he pretty much regained his memories back without indication of an amnesia in the first place by the Pine twins twins' birthday.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects Pacifica. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Nortwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.

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** The revelation that the ten symbols constantly seen throughout the series are part of a ritual to vanquish Bill becomes an AntiClimax when Stan and Ford get into a fight and ruin the ritual before Bill captures everyone the symbols represent, forcing the Pines to defeat Bill through different means. Some argue this was a brilliant subversion of expectations, while others find it a cop-out.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects Pacifica. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Nortwest's Northwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Bill definitely shows [[CompleteMonster who he truly]] when he blackmails Ford by threatening to kill the children if he does not comply.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Bill definitely shows [[CompleteMonster who he truly]] truly is]] when he blackmails Ford by threatening to kill the children if he does not comply.
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** Noone, not even [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Mabel herself]] found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pines family for their shared role in starting the apocalypse in the first place.

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** Noone, No one, not even [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Mabel herself]] found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pines family for their shared role in starting the apocalypse in the first place.
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** Nobody, not even Mabel herself found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pine families for their role in starting the apocalypse in the first place.

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** Nobody, Noone, not even [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Mabel herself herself]] found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pine families Pines family for their shared role in starting the apocalypse in the first place.
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** Stan's amnesia lasted all but five minutes with him gaining his memories in only 15 minutes after Ford erased him. In fact, he pretty much regained his memories back without indication of an amnesia in the first place by the Pine twins birthday.

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* CompleteMonster: After everything he's pulled in the past two episodes, Bill is a definite qualifier for this trope. See YMMV page [[YMMV/GravityFalls here]].


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* MoralEventHorizon: Bill definitely shows [[CompleteMonster who he truly]] when he blackmails Ford by threatening to kill the children if he does not comply.
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** Nobody, not even Mabel herself found out that she is the one who gave the Rift to Bill in the first place, losing a potential CharacterDevelopment for the Pine families for their role in starting the apocalypse in the first place.
** Ford never genuinely thanked Stanley for all he done, only a half-hearted one. By the time they reconcile, this concept is dropped altogether.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The Northwests losing their money actually upset some people, though this is more because that it also affects Pacifica. Others though are quick to point out the Mrs. Nortwest's line about the pony means Pacifica won't be homeless or anything.
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* CryForTheDevil: Bill sounds genuinely ''terrified'' in his final scene. Despite all the hell he's put the cast through, it's hard not to feel bad for him as he's erased.
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* CompleteMonster: After everything he's pulled in the past two episodes, Bill is a definite qualifier for this trope.

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* CompleteMonster: After everything he's pulled in the past two episodes, Bill is a definite qualifier for this trope. See YMMV page [[YMMV/GravityFalls here]].
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* CompleteMonster: After everything he's pulled in the past two episodes, Bill is a definite qualifier for this trope.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: To some, Gideon is this. Even after his HeelFaceTurn his past actions aren't really excusable.

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