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* FanPreferredCouple: With Isaac/Jenna being canon (as of ''DarkDawn''), Isaac/Mia has become this for the more disgruntled Mudshippers. Garet/Jenna ''might'' be this for Steamshippers but it's rather harder to be certain considering the ''notoriously'' unpredictable and versatile {{Shipping}} base for the series.
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** Interestingly, a good number of fans actually like ''Karst'' quite a bit, not least because she has well-rounded motives, or her ShipTease with [[spoiler: Felix]]. She's arguably more popular than her sister, Menardi, in a number of circles. Due to the games' renowned weaknesses regarding characterisation, Agatio... [[{{Understatement}} isn't quite so lucky]].
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*** When the game got released, some factions instead paired Matthew with Sveta, dubbing the ship "Spiritshipping" (because Sveta uses Spirit Sense on [[HeroicMime Matthew]] a lot, and because of a segment late in the game where [[spoiler:her spirit shares his body]])
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** Isaac, purveyor of fine women's silky unmentionables:
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** Isaac, purveyor of fine women's silky unmentionables:
---> [[KleptomaniacHero Isaac peeked into the wardrobe]]... [[KleptomaniacHeroFoundUnderwear There's a silk negligee.]]
---> [[DoubleSubversion Isaac! Put that back!]]
---> [[KleptomaniacHero Isaac peeked into the wardrobe]]... [[KleptomaniacHeroFoundUnderwear There's a silk negligee.]]
---> [[DoubleSubversion Isaac! Put that back!]]
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* DemonicSpiders: The game, thankfully, doesn't have too many of these...until you get to [[spoiler: [[BonusDungeon Anemos Inner Sanctum.]]]] Practically everything in there is some form of this, the worst being the Sky Dragons.
** Also, the Stone Soldiers are pretty nasty, especially when you find out about their ActionBomb capacities.
** The Wonder Birds, which are capable of moving three times per turn (!), have devastating fire psynergy, and can revive fallen enemies. Overlaps with MetalSlime due to the immense amount of XP you can get off them.
** Also, the Stone Soldiers are pretty nasty, especially when you find out about their ActionBomb capacities.
** The Wonder Birds, which are capable of moving three times per turn (!), have devastating fire psynergy, and can revive fallen enemies. Overlaps with MetalSlime due to the immense amount of XP you can get off them.
** The moment ''Dark Dawn'' was announced, Matthew and Karis were paired off and dubbed "Dawnshipping". Fandom moves ''fast''. Incidentally, several ships were sunk by ''Dark Dawn'', [[spoiler: most notably Mudshipping and Flameshipping (Garet/Jenna), by virtue of Valeshipping being confirmed]].
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** Briggs [[BadassNormal Briggs]] counts as an early game example, as, due to Osenia's layout, he can be fought before encountering a number of dungeons and collecting their Djinni, summons, and items. Needless to say, he's going to smack you upside the head if you're not ready.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Proxians in general (particularly [[{{Badass}} Saturos]] and [[MsFanservice Karst]]), and [[CoolOldGuy Kraden]].
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**If you want that fourth party member, however, you'll instead have to fight That One Boss (or rather, the first one) massively underleveled, since he was intended to be fought after Air's Rock.
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**You're going to respect Master Maha after that one. How the hell did he ever finish that thing alone?
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* ScrappyLevel: Air's Rock is the most notorious example. The exterior mountain climb of Air's Rock is about as long as any given dungeon up to that point in the second game. Then, the interior exploration of Air's Rock is, in itself, noticeably longer than any other dungeon in either game, barring the Lighthouses and the other elemental rocks. It also relies extensively on a (relatively expensive, compared to other Utility spells) Psynergy that requires one of the characters to be in her default class, which means repeatedly shutting down and turning on her Djinni for any player who places her in a more balanced class. This dungeon is early enough in the game that the player only has the first three characters, although it is possible to wait until you have the fourth party member to attempt it.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The Catastrophe Summon; widely regarded as the most visually impressive animation sequence ever produced for a GBA game. View it in all its glory [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaaqdplbVOo&feature=related Here.]]
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* {{Shipping}}: Enough of a developed shipping fandom that pretty much every possible pairing among main characters is covered with its own [[IdiosyncraticShipNaming "____shipping" name]], and with copious amounts of {{Crack Pairing}}s too. The ShipToShipCombat can be truly awe-inspiring, especially between Mudshippers (Isaac/Mia) and Valeshippers (Isaac/Jenna). In fact, the shipping fandom is so ridiculously developed that in some circles, even OriginalCharacter ships are named.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel
** Possibly averted since the story was originally meant to be one game...
** This is arguably an EvenBetterSequel. Granted, The Lost Age was ''significantly'' better, but the original was an excellent RPG in its own right.
* ThatOneBoss: Poseidon, either of the final bosses, and some of the {{Bonus Boss}}es, particularly Dullahan, who is just ridiculous even by BonusBoss standards.
** ThatOneAttack: Dullahan and Doom Dragon both deserve a special mention for the ability Djinn Storm, which sets all Djinn in the current party into recovery mode (removing the stat bonuses of having them equipped to a character and preventing them from being used for summons). Doom Dragon also has a very infamous attack called Cruel Ruin which hits the entire party, has a base damage of 200, and becomes more powerful depending on how much HP the party has meaning that it does MORE damage to a higher leveled party.
*** What separates this from Dullahan is that there is no factor that randomly KILLS you. What made Dullahan so hard was that in combination with Djinn Storm, it has Charon that can instant kill you in tandem with just doing damage which means that it doesn't matter if you are fully healed, you are still taking a dead member 50% of the time and maybe even two or three. Then he finishes you off with [[strike: [[BlindIdiotTranslation Formina Sage]]]] Fulminous Edge. Cruel Ruin itself is not as dangerous mainly because a sufficiently strong party can stand in the face of it and still come out standing, even with no Djinn set. A level 50 party can completely raze the Doom Dragon without suffering a single death while Dullahan can KO the entire party before you even reach half HP with the same level.
** Virtually all of Dullahan's attacks are ThatOneAttack: Djinn Storm, which puts ''every active party member's'' Djinni in recovery mode; Fulminous Edge, which does huge damage to one party member; Charon, which can easily be a TotalPartyKill; Condemn, which is a potential OneHitKill; True Collide, which hits hard and restores his health; Bind, which disables one party member's Psynergy...is the BraggingRightsReward really worth it?
* ThatOneLevel: [[PunnyName Air's Rock]]. The only saving grace this level has is a very low random encounter rate.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel
** Possibly averted since the story was originally meant to be one game...
** This is arguably an EvenBetterSequel. Granted, The Lost Age was ''significantly'' better, but the original was an excellent RPG in its own right.
* ThatOneBoss: Poseidon, either of the final bosses, and some of the {{Bonus Boss}}es, particularly Dullahan, who is just ridiculous even by BonusBoss standards.
** ThatOneAttack: Dullahan and Doom Dragon both deserve a special mention for the ability Djinn Storm, which sets all Djinn in the current party into recovery mode (removing the stat bonuses of having them equipped to a character and preventing them from being used for summons). Doom Dragon also has a very infamous attack called Cruel Ruin which hits the entire party, has a base damage of 200, and becomes more powerful depending on how much HP the party has meaning that it does MORE damage to a higher leveled party.
*** What separates this from Dullahan is that there is no factor that randomly KILLS you. What made Dullahan so hard was that in combination with Djinn Storm, it has Charon that can instant kill you in tandem with just doing damage which means that it doesn't matter if you are fully healed, you are still taking a dead member 50% of the time and maybe even two or three. Then he finishes you off with [[strike: [[BlindIdiotTranslation Formina Sage]]]] Fulminous Edge. Cruel Ruin itself is not as dangerous mainly because a sufficiently strong party can stand in the face of it and still come out standing, even with no Djinn set. A level 50 party can completely raze the Doom Dragon without suffering a single death while Dullahan can KO the entire party before you even reach half HP with the same level.
** Virtually all of Dullahan's attacks are ThatOneAttack: Djinn Storm, which puts ''every active party member's'' Djinni in recovery mode; Fulminous Edge, which does huge damage to one party member; Charon, which can easily be a TotalPartyKill; Condemn, which is a potential OneHitKill; True Collide, which hits hard and restores his health; Bind, which disables one party member's Psynergy...is the BraggingRightsReward really worth it?
* ThatOneLevel: [[PunnyName Air's Rock]]. The only saving grace this level has is a very low random encounter rate.
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* IdiotPlot: [[strike: Picard]] Piers being held captive.
--> [[NonPlayerCharacter NPC in Osenia Cliffs]]: [[LampshadeHanging "Wait, if this is the Champa ship, then that must mean Piers isn't a Champa! So...why does the elder still need Briggs to clear his name?"]]
* LauncherOfAThousandShips: ''Everyone'' is one of these to the fandom
* MagnificentBastard: Saturos; it's implied that even Menardi gets fed up with his shenanigans. Alex is a bit more subtle about being a bastard.
* MemeticMutation: There were a few fans who preferred Piers' Japanese name, Picard, so they used "Pow pow Picard!" as a rally cry.
** Kraden is surprisingly popular within the fanbase. As described by [[http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Kraden#In_fan_circles Golden Sun's wiki]], it is "an endearing tradition to revere him as a godlike figure with comically extreme devotion." To the point that a popular [[FanNickname fan-made name]] for a Weyard equivalent of Christmas is [[CrystalDragonJesus Kraden]]mas.
* ReplacementScrappy: A small portion of the fanbase remained convinced that Saturos and Menardi had somehow survived their DisneyVillainDeath and would return in the second game. Naturally, these fans did not take kindly to the introduction of Agatio and Karst.
--> [[NonPlayerCharacter NPC in Osenia Cliffs]]: [[LampshadeHanging "Wait, if this is the Champa ship, then that must mean Piers isn't a Champa! So...why does the elder still need Briggs to clear his name?"]]
* LauncherOfAThousandShips: ''Everyone'' is one of these to the fandom
* MagnificentBastard: Saturos; it's implied that even Menardi gets fed up with his shenanigans. Alex is a bit more subtle about being a bastard.
* MemeticMutation: There were a few fans who preferred Piers' Japanese name, Picard, so they used "Pow pow Picard!" as a rally cry.
** Kraden is surprisingly popular within the fanbase. As described by [[http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Kraden#In_fan_circles Golden Sun's wiki]], it is "an endearing tradition to revere him as a godlike figure with comically extreme devotion." To the point that a popular [[FanNickname fan-made name]] for a Weyard equivalent of Christmas is [[CrystalDragonJesus Kraden]]mas.
* ReplacementScrappy: A small portion of the fanbase remained convinced that Saturos and Menardi had somehow survived their DisneyVillainDeath and would return in the second game. Naturally, these fans did not take kindly to the introduction of Agatio and Karst.
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** The summons. Oh so much. You can very easily breeze through 90% of the first game just abusing summons, ending battles (bosses included) in around 2 turns or less. The downside is that you have to put them on standby after every battle and the game is easy enough without them.
** The Spirit Ring, an early game healing item in TLA which, most likely due to an oversight, can be used indefinently outside of battle, ensuring your party full health between every fight.
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** The final dungeon. Blasting ice with fire was never so satisfying. Saving the world while doing so? Priceless.
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Using the Psynergy "Force" on the wall in the Altin mines. Even better, [[ReversePsychology the only reason you do it]] is probably that there's a sign saying [[SchmuckBait "Danger! Do Not Touch The Wall!"]]
** Another example: Should you reach Altin mines without obtaining Force, Garet will kick the wall and cause the boulder to fall down.
** In TLA, the girls and Kraden ganging up on Piers to make him say his age. Piers ends up begging Felix to help... but to his shock and despair, Felix [[HeroicMime apparently]] kind of wants to know, too.
** A well-hidden EasterEgg: if Felix keeps saying no in the game's various yes/no choices, or just generally disagrees with Kraden for most of the game, when they reach [[spoiler:Lemuria]], Felix would be ill-advised to say no yet ''again''...
--->'''Kraden:''' "What!? Are you INSANE!? Or maybe you think you're funny? Because you're not! Maybe this whole quest is just a game to you, but it's not to me! Are you bored!? Do you want to go home!? FINE! That's it! Then let's go home!"
** When Jenna delivers this priceless line:
--->'''Jenna:''' Can't you stop talking about yourself for one second, Alex?
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: MotoiSakuraba [[CrowningMusic/GoldenSun outdid himself here.]]
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* Alternate Character Interpretation: Babi as an Evil Overlord, for one. It would seem that Tolbi is budding into The Empire, and much of his backstory is a little less than sympathetic. Nevertheless, the party seems to take all of his requests without questioning anything.
** It's also debatable where exactly on the grand scale between good and evil the Proxians stand, with being Anti Villain s and all.
** Alex isn't evil, he's just misunderstood!!
** Alex's status as a villain actually is somewhat contentious, as it isn't until after the second game ends that it is revealed that he had an ulterior motive for wanting the lighthouses lit. Which is something that Saturos and Menardi — and Felix — were already trying to do when they met him.
** The Wise One being a jerk god that wants to keep Alchemy out of human hands for his own selfish reasons.
*** That last one might have been jossed by Dark Dawn, since it's revealed the Wise One is actually a man-made being and it's outright confirmed that the ancients screwed themselves over and tried to prevent Alchemy's release. However, this just raises the question of whether the ancients were outright Jerkasses when it came to their policies on Alchemy.
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