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!!The Disney movie:

* AwesomeMusic:
** "Let It Go"
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNQAL4nV5A "Vuelie" by Cantus]] the film's opening music.
** "For The First Time in Forever" and its reprise.
* BrokenBase: Before it ''was even released'', the film accumulated mixed reactions--either people have admired what's been seen of it and are looking forward to it, or have been giving it flak for not using hand-drawn animation as they had hoped, not being a more direct adaptation of "Literature/TheSnowQueen", for being another Caucasian European princess, for being another Disney film starring princesses, and/or assuming it was going to be a rehash of ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' just because they have similar art styles.
** The film itself, however, has been more positively received and is already being regarded as one of the best films Disney ever made.
* CrossoverShip: Elsa's already being paired with [[Film/RiseOfTheGuardians Jack Frost]].
** And ever since the director jokingly mentioned they'd be a good couple, Elsa is also being shipped with the title character of Disney/WreckItRalph.
** The reveal that this film may take place in the same world as {{Tangled}} has led to many Rapunzel/Elsa or Anna and Eugene/Elsa or Anna ships
* DracoInLeatherPants: [[spoiler:Prince Hans]] is already getting a lot of this.
* EvilIsSexy: Queen Elsa [[spoiler: though she isn't evil at all -- and, more accurately, Hans]].
* FoeYayShipping: [[spoiler: Hans and Elsa.]]
* InternetBackdraft: The film was backlashed against before it was even released due to people judging its quality and its meta, based on what they saw in previews, interpretations of creator quotes, preferences towards hand-drawn animation, and complaints over gender and race. And even through all of this, the film still managed to garner wide critical acclaim and top box office numbers.
** Those who prefer the hand-drawn style of Disney animation were upset when it was announced that the film, initially announced as their next effort in that vein, would be CGI-animated instead. This was partly in thanks to the success of their newer CGI films like ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', which were positive received even though they weren't hand-drawn, and partly because they wanted to branch further into a different genre of animation than their usual style. Many people expressed disdain towards the film for being CGI and not hand-drawn as they had wanted by leaving complaints like "I miss the old Disney!" and "Go back to hand-drawn animation!" in the comments of the trailers. Despite this, the film is still receiving wide acclaim regardless of whether it's CGI or not.
** There was also backlash when the announced plot was shown to be only inspired by the original story, despite Disney animated films routinely altering the plot lines of their source material, hence the trope name {{Disneyfication}}. "The Snow Queen"'s plotline is a rather lengthier, meatier one than most fairy tales (with a lot more characters and incident), so it came off as odd to toss most of it out the window when it would seem to lend itself well to film. However, Disney has done numerous changes with adaptations of complex stories before, like ''Disney/TheFoxAndTheHound'' and ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', and even with mythology like ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'', with less backlash and more acceptance over the changes they made, and were still positively received regardless. And considering how other companies may have already made closer adaptations, taking a more original approach with the story using their own unique style may be giving it a refreshing start. Regardless of the approach it took, the film was still largely well-received despite being a loose adaptation.
** Adding original male characters, such as Kristoff joining Anna on her quest, may have been an effort to make the film appeal to boys as well as girls, similar to the approach used in ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' with Rapunzel and Flynn Rider receiving the relatively same amount of attention. Unfortunately, this gave people the impression that their inclusion was done to make Anna seem more dependent due to her counterpart in the original story, Gerta, taking her journey largely alone. Despite this addition, Anna still shows plenty of moments of strength and independence, [[spoiler:like fighting off the wolves herself, facing her sister alone, and standing up to Hans, including punching him in the face]]. In a related case, even though each of them have individual characterizations and strengths, some people have backlashed against this movie for continuing the Disney tradition of casting the female leads as princesses, thinking that the DisneyPrincess franchise was sending the message of "Girls should only strive to be princesses" (which is pretty unrealistic, given how most girls grow out of that phase and there are so few princesses in power today) instead of "These princesses have individual strengths and characteristics that girls should admire and follow".
** While acknowledging that Disney has made strides in including people of color in their films in the past few decades, such as Aladdin, Mulan, Pocahontas, Lilo & Stitch, Brother Bear and The Princess and the Frog, [[http://thiscouldhavebeenfrozen.tumblr.com/post/64837586902/ursulatheseabitchh-so-i-made-this-thing some have observed]] that Disney has featured a larger proportion of films with a Caucasian human cast than films with people of other races.
** The release of the first teaser trailer was a two-minute slapstick short unrelated to the plot that introduced Olaf the snowman and Sven the reindeer. People seemed to think this 2-minute teaser was the full trailer and represented the entirety of what the film was going to be about, not taking into account that 1) the plot announced beforehand was revealed to be more than just about a snowman and reindeer, 2) teasers don't usually reveal much about the story in general and typically feature content not in the actual film, and 3) that this may be a case of NeverTrustATrailer. Many people instantly labelled it as a "dumb kids' film". However, later trailers were released that revealed more about the plot and proved that it was not just a simple slapstick film about Olaf and Sven.
** Lino Disalvo, the head of the animation for the film, expressed that he had difficulties with animating the female characters so that they were unique and pretty in their own way, but some people have taken this statement and interpreted it as a sexist remark:
-->"[[http://voice.fan.tv/2013/10/07/frozen-animating-disneys-newest-musical/ Historically speaking, animating female characters are really, really difficult, ’cause they have to go through these range of emotions, but they’re very, very — you have to keep them pretty and they’re very sensitive to — you can get them off a model very quickly. So, having a film with two hero female characters was really tough, and having them both in the scene and look very different if they’re echoing the same expression.]]"
* IncestYayShipping[=/=]LesYay: Elsa/Anna, given the nature of the story it's not really that surprising.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: Due to both having similar art styles and the trailers giving an emphasis on comedy, many assumed that the film would just be a rehash of ''Tangled'', despite no one having seen the film at that point. In reality, the film was shown to have a plot and characters that had little in common with Tangled.
* JerkassHasAPoint: The Duke of Weselton - ObviouslyEvil {{Jerkass}} who clearly is only interested in diplomatic communications with Arendele for the benefits Weselton will get out of it. However, when the fjords are frozen over, trapping him and all the other foreign diplomats in a city-state that is gradually freezing more and more, he actually ''is'' rather right that something has to be done before they freeze to death.
* MemeticMutation: This [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/dda669eb7e60d56e79764a1cb3c58e47/tumblr_mrp2p1fXgT1swaftvo1_500.gif gif]] of Elsa from one trailer has become rather popular.
* MoralEventHorizon:
** [[spoiler:If [[ManipulativeBastard Hans]] using Anna and [[ILied lying to her]] for the whole time isn't bad enough, then there's his attempted murder of Elsa.]]
** Although LaughablyEvil, and nowhere as heinous [[spoiler:Hans]], the Duke also crossed it by sending his cohorts to [[spoiler:kill Elsa.]]
* OneSceneWonder: Oaken.
* TaintedByThePreview: Initial American ads put emphasis on the comedic and silly side of the film rather than its dramatic story, leading many people to believe that ''Frozen'' would be just some silly kids' film. [[Disney/{{Tangled}} This wouldn't be the first time advertising for a Disney flick did that, though]]. Later trailers resulted in prospective viewers' opinions growing more positive. The third trailer, released in October and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLzfXQSPBOg focusing on Elsa's character and story arc]] has met with the most excitement so far. Some early reviews also hyped up the excitement by comparing the film's quality to Disney Renaissance films like ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' and ''Disney/TheLionKing''.
* TheScrappy: People thought Olaf would simply be an annoying side character by judging him by what they saw in the previews, but when the movie itself was actually released, he ended up [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap subverting]] this as many of the critics highlighted Olaf as one of the best characters.
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: One of the big technical aspects of animating this film was trying to make believable snow. It's beautiful.
** The scene where Elsa builds her ice palace is nothing short of breathtaking.
* TheWoobie: Anna and especially Elsa.

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!!The Disney movie:

* AwesomeMusic:
** "Let It Go"
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNQAL4nV5A "Vuelie" by Cantus]] the film's opening music.
** "For The First Time in Forever" and its reprise.
* BrokenBase: Before it ''was even released'', the film accumulated mixed reactions--either people have admired what's been seen of it and
There are looking forward to it, or have been giving it flak for not a few works using hand-drawn animation as they had hoped, not being a more direct adaptation of "Literature/TheSnowQueen", for being another Caucasian European princess, for being another Disney film starring princesses, and/or assuming it was going to be a rehash of ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' just because they have similar art styles.
** The film itself, however, has been more positively received and
the tile Frozen.

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YMMV.FrozenDisney
is already being regarded as one the location of the best films Disney ever made.
* CrossoverShip: Elsa's already being paired with [[Film/RiseOfTheGuardians Jack Frost]].
** And ever since the director jokingly mentioned they'd be a good couple, Elsa is also being shipped with the title character of Disney/WreckItRalph.
** The reveal that this film may take place in the same world as {{Tangled}} has led to many Rapunzel/Elsa or Anna and Eugene/Elsa or Anna ships
* DracoInLeatherPants: [[spoiler:Prince Hans]] is already getting a lot of this.
* EvilIsSexy: Queen Elsa [[spoiler: though she isn't evil at all -- and, more accurately, Hans]].
* FoeYayShipping: [[spoiler: Hans and Elsa.]]
* InternetBackdraft: The film was backlashed against before it was even released due to people judging its quality and its meta, based on what they saw in previews, interpretations of creator quotes, preferences towards hand-drawn animation, and complaints over gender and race. And even through all of this, the film still managed to garner wide critical acclaim and top box office numbers.
** Those who prefer the hand-drawn style of Disney animation were upset when it was announced that the film, initially announced as their next effort in that vein, would be CGI-animated instead. This was partly in thanks to the success of their newer CGI films like ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', which were positive received even though they weren't hand-drawn, and partly because they wanted to branch further into a different genre of animation than their usual style. Many people expressed disdain towards the film for being CGI and not hand-drawn as they had wanted by leaving complaints like "I miss the old Disney!" and "Go back to hand-drawn animation!" in the comments of the trailers. Despite this, the film is still receiving wide acclaim regardless of whether it's CGI or not.
** There was also backlash when the announced plot was shown to be only inspired by the original story, despite Disney animated films routinely altering the plot lines of their source material, hence the trope name {{Disneyfication}}. "The Snow Queen"'s plotline is a rather lengthier, meatier one than most fairy tales (with a lot more characters and incident), so it came off as odd to toss most of it out the window when it would seem to lend itself well to film. However, Disney has done numerous changes with adaptations of complex stories before, like ''Disney/TheFoxAndTheHound'' and ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', and even with mythology like ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'', with less backlash and more acceptance over the changes they made, and were still positively received regardless. And considering how other companies may have already made closer adaptations, taking a more original approach with the story using their own unique style may be giving it a refreshing start. Regardless of the approach it took, the film was still largely well-received despite being a loose adaptation.
** Adding original male characters, such as Kristoff joining Anna on her quest, may have been an effort to make the film appeal to boys as well as girls, similar to the approach used in ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' with Rapunzel and Flynn Rider receiving the relatively same amount of attention. Unfortunately, this gave people the impression that their inclusion was done to make Anna seem more dependent due to her counterpart in the original story, Gerta, taking her journey largely alone. Despite this addition, Anna still shows plenty of moments of strength and independence, [[spoiler:like fighting off the wolves herself, facing her sister alone, and standing up to Hans, including punching him in the face]]. In a related case, even though each of them have individual characterizations and strengths, some people have backlashed against this movie for continuing the Disney tradition of casting the female leads as princesses, thinking that the DisneyPrincess franchise was sending the message of "Girls should only strive to be princesses" (which is pretty unrealistic, given how most girls grow out of that phase and there are so few princesses in power today) instead of "These princesses have individual strengths and characteristics that girls should admire and follow".
** While acknowledging that Disney has made strides in including people of color in their films in the past few decades, such as Aladdin, Mulan, Pocahontas, Lilo & Stitch, Brother Bear and The Princess and the Frog, [[http://thiscouldhavebeenfrozen.tumblr.com/post/64837586902/ursulatheseabitchh-so-i-made-this-thing some have observed]] that Disney has featured a larger proportion of films with a Caucasian human cast than films with people of other races.
** The release of the first teaser trailer was a two-minute slapstick short unrelated to the plot that introduced Olaf the snowman and Sven the reindeer. People seemed to think this 2-minute teaser was the full trailer and represented the entirety of what the film was going to be about, not taking into account that 1) the plot announced beforehand was revealed to be more than just about a snowman and reindeer, 2) teasers don't usually reveal much about the story in general and typically feature content not in the actual film, and 3) that this may be a case of NeverTrustATrailer. Many people instantly labelled it as a "dumb kids' film". However, later trailers were released that revealed more about the plot and proved that it was not just a simple slapstick film about Olaf and Sven.
** Lino Disalvo, the head of the animation
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the female characters so that they were unique and pretty in their own way, but some people have taken this statement and interpreted it as a sexist remark:
-->"[[http://voice.fan.tv/2013/10/07/frozen-animating-disneys-newest-musical/ Historically speaking, animating female characters are really, really difficult, ’cause they have to go through these range of emotions, but they’re very, very — you have to keep them pretty and they’re very sensitive to — you can get them off a model very quickly. So, having a film with two hero female characters was really tough, and having them both in the scene and look very different if they’re echoing the same expression.]]"
* IncestYayShipping[=/=]LesYay: Elsa/Anna, given the nature
location of the story it's not really that surprising.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: Due to both having similar art styles and the trailers giving an emphasis on comedy, many assumed that the film would just be a rehash of ''Tangled'', despite no one having seen the film at that point. In reality, the film was shown to have a plot and characters that had little in common with Tangled.
* JerkassHasAPoint: The Duke of Weselton - ObviouslyEvil {{Jerkass}} who clearly is only interested in diplomatic communications with Arendele
YMMV for the benefits Weselton will get out of it. However, when the fjords are frozen over, trapping him and all the other foreign diplomats in a city-state that is gradually freezing more and more, he actually ''is'' rather right that something has to be done before they freeze to death.
* MemeticMutation: This [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/dda669eb7e60d56e79764a1cb3c58e47/tumblr_mrp2p1fXgT1swaftvo1_500.gif gif]] of Elsa from one trailer has become rather popular.
* MoralEventHorizon:
** [[spoiler:If [[ManipulativeBastard Hans]] using Anna and [[ILied lying to her]] for the whole time isn't bad enough, then there's his attempted murder of Elsa.]]
** Although LaughablyEvil, and nowhere as heinous [[spoiler:Hans]], the Duke also crossed it by sending his cohorts to [[spoiler:kill Elsa.]]
* OneSceneWonder: Oaken.
* TaintedByThePreview: Initial American ads put emphasis on the comedic and silly side of the film rather than its dramatic story, leading many people to believe that ''Frozen'' would be just some silly kids' film. [[Disney/{{Tangled}} This wouldn't be the first time advertising for a Disney flick did that, though]]. Later trailers resulted in prospective viewers' opinions growing more positive. The third trailer, released in October and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLzfXQSPBOg focusing on Elsa's character and story arc]] has met with the most excitement so far. Some early reviews also hyped up the excitement by comparing the film's quality to Disney Renaissance films like ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' and ''Disney/TheLionKing''.
* TheScrappy: People thought Olaf would simply be an annoying side character by judging him by what they saw in the previews, but when the movie itself was actually released, he ended up [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap subverting]] this as many of the critics highlighted Olaf as one of the best characters.
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: One of the big technical aspects of animating this film was trying to make believable snow. It's beautiful.
** The scene where Elsa builds her ice palace is nothing short of breathtaking.
* TheWoobie: Anna and especially Elsa.
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!!The 2010 film:
* DamselScrappy: Parker.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Joe Lynch
* IdiotPlot: It's the reason they get stuck.
* NauseaFuel:
** [[spoiler:Wolves + injured moron = gruesome.]]
** [[spoiler:Dan's legs. Arrrrrggh.]]
* NightmareFuel: Most notably, the [[spoiler:state of Joe's body.]]
* {{Squick}}: [[spoiler:Dan's broken legs. Parker's hand after it gets stuck to the safety bar. Joe's cable-shredded hands. Joe's partially devoured corpse.]]
* TearJerker: The immediate aftermath of [[spoiler:Dan's death]], and the scene where Parker is talking about her puppy.
* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Joe Lynch.]] So sad.
* WhatAnIdiot: Much of what the trio does, both before and after getting stuck on the lift, tends to elicit this reaction from the audience:
** Nobody tries to rearrange their gear to better protect their exposed skin from the cold, or even simply zip up their coats. Joe couldn't even be bothered to pull up his hood.
** [[spoiler:Dan's decision to jump is not a good idea, but he might have come out of it with relatively minor injuries had he not a) jumped in the ''uphill'' direction, and b) landed feet first, knees locked.]]
** [[spoiler:When the guy with the snow plow passes by, the guys try to get his attention by throwing some of their equipment at it. Parker throws ''her glove'' at it.]]
** [[spoiler:Though Joe does eventually succeed in making it to the ladder on the support pole, he utterly destroys his hands on the overhead steel cable getting there. Never does he consider using his ski pole instead of his hands to hold on to the cable, or at least turning his gloves around when the cable eats through them. Then, he climbs down the ladder while the wolves are standing at the bottom of it.]]
** [[spoiler:When Parker manages to get down and makes it to the road, she immediately lays down in the middle of it. Luckily the van that eventually comes by swerves to avoid running her over.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: If [[ManipulativeBastard Hans]] not using and [[ILied lying Anna as]] a tool for the whole time isn't bad enough then there's his attempted murder of Elsa.]]
** Although LaughablyEvil, and nowhere as heinous [[spoiler: Hans]], the Duke also crossed it by sending his cohorts to [[spoiler: kill Elsa.]]

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** Although LaughablyEvil, and nowhere as heinous [[spoiler: Hans]], [[spoiler:Hans]], the Duke also crossed it by sending his cohorts to [[spoiler: kill [[spoiler:kill Elsa.]]
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** Adding original male characters, such as Kristoff joining Anna on her quest, may have been an effort to make the film appeal to boys as well as girls, similar to the approach used in ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' with Rapunzel and Flynn Rider receiving the relatively same amount of attention. Unfortunately, this gave people the impression that their inclusion was done to make Anna seem more dependent due to her counterpart in the original story, Gerta, taking her journey largely alone. In a related case, even though each of them have individual characterizations and strengths, some people have backlashed against this movie for continuing the Disney tradition of casting the female leads as princesses, thinking that the DisneyPrincess franchise was sending the message of "Girls should only strive to be princesses" (which is pretty unrealistic, given how most girls grow out of that phase and there are so few princesses in power today) instead of "These princesses have individual strengths and characteristics that girls should admire and follow".

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** Adding original male characters, such as Kristoff joining Anna on her quest, may have been an effort to make the film appeal to boys as well as girls, similar to the approach used in ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' with Rapunzel and Flynn Rider receiving the relatively same amount of attention. Unfortunately, this gave people the impression that their inclusion was done to make Anna seem more dependent due to her counterpart in the original story, Gerta, taking her journey largely alone. Despite this addition, Anna still shows plenty of moments of strength and independence, [[spoiler:like fighting off the wolves herself, facing her sister alone, and standing up to Hans, including punching him in the face]]. In a related case, even though each of them have individual characterizations and strengths, some people have backlashed against this movie for continuing the Disney tradition of casting the female leads as princesses, thinking that the DisneyPrincess franchise was sending the message of "Girls should only strive to be princesses" (which is pretty unrealistic, given how most girls grow out of that phase and there are so few princesses in power today) instead of "These princesses have individual strengths and characteristics that girls should admire and follow".
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: If [[ManipulativeBastard Hans]] not using and [[ILied lying Anna as]] a tool for the whole time isn't bad enough then there's his attempted murder of Elsa.]]
** Although LaughablyEvil, and nowhere as heinous [[spoiler: Hans]], the Duke also crossed it by sending his cohorts to [[spoiler: kill Elsa.]]
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** The reveal that this film may take place in the same world as {{Tangled}} has led to many Repunzel/Elsa or Anna and Eugene/Elsa or Anna ships

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* InternetBackdraft: The film was backlashed against before it was even released due to people judging its quality and its meta, based on what they saw in previews, interpretations of creator quotes, preferences towards hand-drawn animation, and complaints over gender and race.

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* InternetBackdraft: The film was backlashed against before it was even released due to people judging its quality and its meta, based on what they saw in previews, interpretations of creator quotes, preferences towards hand-drawn animation, and complaints over gender and race. And even through all of this, the film still managed to garner wide critical acclaim and top box office numbers.

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** The film itself, however, has been more positively received and is already being regarded as one of the best films Disney ever made.



** Those who prefer the hand-drawn style of Disney animation were upset when it was announced that the film, initially announced as their next effort in that vein, would be CGI-animated instead. This was partly in thanks to the success of their newer CGI films like ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', which were positive received even though they weren't hand-drawn, and partly because they wanted to branch further into a different genre of animation than their usual style. Many people expressed disdain towards the film for being CGI and not hand-drawn as they had wanted by leaving complaints like "I miss the old Disney!" and "Go back to hand-drawn animation!" in the comments of the trailers.
** There was also backlash when the announced plot was shown to be only inspired by the original story, despite Disney animated films routinely altering the plot lines of their source material, hence the trope name {{Disneyfication}}. "The Snow Queen"'s plotline is a rather lengthier, meatier one than most fairy tales (with a lot more characters and incident), so it came off as odd to toss most of it out the window when it would seem to lend itself well to film. However, Disney has done numerous changes with adaptations of complex stories before, like ''Disney/TheFoxAndTheHound'' and ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', and even with mythology like ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'', with less backlash and more acceptance over the changes they made, and were still positively received regardless. And considering how other companies may have already made closer adaptations, taking a more original approach with the story using their own unique style may be giving it a refreshing start.

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** Those who prefer the hand-drawn style of Disney animation were upset when it was announced that the film, initially announced as their next effort in that vein, would be CGI-animated instead. This was partly in thanks to the success of their newer CGI films like ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', which were positive received even though they weren't hand-drawn, and partly because they wanted to branch further into a different genre of animation than their usual style. Many people expressed disdain towards the film for being CGI and not hand-drawn as they had wanted by leaving complaints like "I miss the old Disney!" and "Go back to hand-drawn animation!" in the comments of the trailers.
trailers. Despite this, the film is still receiving wide acclaim regardless of whether it's CGI or not.
** There was also backlash when the announced plot was shown to be only inspired by the original story, despite Disney animated films routinely altering the plot lines of their source material, hence the trope name {{Disneyfication}}. "The Snow Queen"'s plotline is a rather lengthier, meatier one than most fairy tales (with a lot more characters and incident), so it came off as odd to toss most of it out the window when it would seem to lend itself well to film. However, Disney has done numerous changes with adaptations of complex stories before, like ''Disney/TheFoxAndTheHound'' and ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', and even with mythology like ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'', with less backlash and more acceptance over the changes they made, and were still positively received regardless. And considering how other companies may have already made closer adaptations, taking a more original approach with the story using their own unique style may be giving it a refreshing start. Regardless of the approach it took, the film was still largely well-received despite being a loose adaptation.
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* NeverTrustATrailer: Early previews gave the impression that the film would be pure comedy, but the story itself is more a mixture of drama as well as comedy.
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** Those who prefer the hand-drawn style of Disney animation were upset when it was announced that the film, initially announced as their next effort in that vein, would be CGI-animated instead. This was partly in thanks to the success of their newer CGI films like ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', which were positive received even though they weren't hand-drawn, and partly because they wanted to branch further into a different genre of animation than their usual style. Many people expressed disdain towards the film for being CGI and not hand-drawn as they had wanted by leaving complaints like "I miss the old Disney!" and "Go back to hand-drawn animation!" in the comments of the trailers.
** There was also backlash when the announced plot was shown to be only inspired by the original story, despite Disney animated films routinely altering the plot lines of their source material, hence the trope name {{Disneyfication}}. "The Snow Queen"'s plotline is a rather lengthier, meatier one than most fairy tales (with a lot more characters and incident), so it came off as odd to toss most of it out the window when it would seem to lend itself well to film. However, Disney has done numerous changes with adaptations of complex stories before, like ''Disney/TheFoxAndTheHound'' and ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', and even with mythology like ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'', with less backlash and more acceptance over the changes they made, and were still positively received regardless. And considering how other companies may have already made closer adaptations, taking a more original approach with the story using their own unique style may be giving it a refreshing start.
** Adding original male characters, such as Kristoff joining Anna on her quest, may have been an effort to make the film appeal to boys as well as girls, similar to the approach used in ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' with Rapunzel and Flynn Rider receiving the relatively same amount of attention. Unfortunately, this gave people the impression that their inclusion was done to make Anna seem more dependent due to her counterpart in the original story, Gerta, taking her journey largely alone. In a related case, even though each of them have individual characterizations and strengths, some people have backlashed against this movie for continuing the Disney tradition of casting the female leads as princesses, thinking that the DisneyPrincess franchise was sending the message of "Girls should only strive to be princesses" (which is pretty unrealistic, given how most girls grow out of that phase and there are so few princesses in power today) instead of "These princesses have individual strengths and characteristics that girls should admire and follow".
** While acknowledging that Disney has made strides in including people of color in their films in the past few decades, such as Aladdin, Mulan, Pocahontas, Lilo & Stitch, Brother Bear and The Princess and the Frog, [[http://thiscouldhavebeenfrozen.tumblr.com/post/64837586902/ursulatheseabitchh-so-i-made-this-thing some have observed]] that Disney has featured a larger proportion of films with a Caucasian human cast than films with people of other races.
** The release of the first teaser trailer was a two-minute slapstick short unrelated to the plot that introduced Olaf the snowman and Sven the reindeer. People seemed to think this 2-minute teaser was the full trailer and represented the entirety of what the film was going to be about, not taking into account that 1) the plot announced beforehand was revealed to be more than just about a snowman and reindeer, 2) teasers don't usually reveal much about the story in general and typically feature content not in the actual film, and 3) that this may be a case of NeverTrustATrailer. Many people instantly labelled it as a "dumb kids' film". However, later trailers were released that revealed more about the plot and proved that it was not just a simple slapstick film about Olaf and Sven.
** Lino Disalvo, the head of the animation for the film, expressed that he had difficulties with animating the female characters so that they were unique and pretty in their own way, but some people have taken this statement and interpreted it as a sexist remark:
-->"[[http://voice.fan.tv/2013/10/07/frozen-animating-disneys-newest-musical/ Historically speaking, animating female characters are really, really difficult, ’cause they have to go through these range of emotions, but they’re very, very — you have to keep them pretty and they’re very sensitive to — you can get them off a model very quickly. So, having a film with two hero female characters was really tough, and having them both in the scene and look very different if they’re echoing the same expression.]]"
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* JerkassHasAPoint: The Duke of Weselton - ObivouslyEvil JerkAss who clearly is only interested in diplomatic communications with Arendele for the benefits Weselton will get out of it. However, when the fjords are frozen over, trapping him and all the other foreign diplomats in a city-state that is gradually freezing more and more, he actually ''is'' rather right that something has to be done before they freeze to death.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: The Duke of Weselton - ObivouslyEvil JerkAss ObviouslyEvil {{Jerkass}} who clearly is only interested in diplomatic communications with Arendele for the benefits Weselton will get out of it. However, when the fjords are frozen over, trapping him and all the other foreign diplomats in a city-state that is gradually freezing more and more, he actually ''is'' rather right that something has to be done before they freeze to death.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: The Duke of Weselton - ObivouslyEvil JerkAss who clearly is only interested in diplomatic communications with Arendele for the benefits Weselton will get out of it. However, when the fjords are frozen over, trapping him and all the other foreign diplomats in a city-state that is gradually freezing more and more, he actually ''is'' rather right that something has to be done before they freeze to death.
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** Those who prefer the hand-drawn style of Disney animation were upset when it was announced that the film, initially announced as their next effort in that vein, would be CGI-animated instead. This was partly in thanks to the success of their newer CGI films like ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', which were positive received even though they weren't hand-drawn, and partly because they wanted to branch further into a different genre of animation than their usual style. Many people expressed disdain towards the film for being CGI and not hand-drawn as they had wanted by leaving complaints like "I miss the old Disney!" and "Go back to hand-drawn animation!" in the comments of the trailers.
** There was also backlash when the announced plot was shown to be only inspired by the original story, despite Disney animated films routinely altering the plot lines of their source material, hence the trope name {{Disneyfication}}. "The Snow Queen"'s plotline is a rather lengthier, meatier one than most fairy tales (with a lot more characters and incident), so it came off as odd to toss most of it out the window when it would seem to lend itself well to film. However, Disney has done numerous changes with adaptations of complex stories before, like ''Disney/TheFoxAndTheHound'' and ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', and even with mythology like ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'', with less backlash and more acceptance over the changes they made, and were still positively received regardless. And considering how other companies may have already made closer adaptations, taking a more original approach with the story using their own unique style may be giving it a refreshing start.
** Adding original male characters, such as Kristoff joining Anna on her quest, may have been an effort to make the film appeal to boys as well as girls, similar to the approach used in ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' with Rapunzel and Flynn Rider receiving the relatively same amount of attention. Unfortunately, this gave people the impression that their inclusion was done to make Anna seem more dependent due to her counterpart in the original story, Gerta, taking her journey largely alone. In a related case, even though each of them have individual characterizations and strengths, some people have backlashed against this movie for continuing the Disney tradition of casting the female leads as princesses, thinking that the DisneyPrincess franchise was sending the message of "Girls should only strive to be princesses" (which is pretty unrealistic, given how most girls grow out of that phase and there are so few princesses in power today) instead of "These princesses have individual strengths and characteristics that girls should admire and follow".
** While acknowledging that Disney has made strides in including people of color in their films in the past few decades, such as Aladdin, Mulan, Pocahontas, Lilo & Stitch, Brother Bear and The Princess and the Frog, [[http://thiscouldhavebeenfrozen.tumblr.com/post/64837586902/ursulatheseabitchh-so-i-made-this-thing some have observed]] that Disney has featured a larger proportion of films with a Caucasian human cast than films with people of other races.
** The release of the first teaser trailer was a two-minute slapstick short unrelated to the plot that introduced Olaf the snowman and Sven the reindeer. People seemed to think this 2-minute teaser was the full trailer and represented the entirety of what the film was going to be about, not taking into account that 1) the plot announced beforehand was revealed to be more than just about a snowman and reindeer, 2) teasers don't usually reveal much about the story in general and typically feature content not in the actual film, and 3) that this may be a case of NeverTrustATrailer. Many people instantly labelled it as a "dumb kids' film". However, later trailers were released that revealed more about the plot and proved that it was not just a simple slapstick film about Olaf and Sven.
** Lino Disalvo, the head of the animation for the film, expressed that he had difficulties with animating the female characters so that they were unique and pretty in their own way, but some people have taken this statement and interpreted it as a sexist remark:
-->"[[http://voice.fan.tv/2013/10/07/frozen-animating-disneys-newest-musical/ Historically speaking, animating female characters are really, really difficult, ’cause they have to go through these range of emotions, but they’re very, very — you have to keep them pretty and they’re very sensitive to — you can get them off a model very quickly. So, having a film with two hero female characters was really tough, and having them both in the scene and look very different if they’re echoing the same expression.]]"
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* {{Moe}}: Olaf
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* InternetBackdraft: The film was backlashed against before it was even released due to people judging its quality and its meta, based on what they saw in previews, interpretations of creator quotes, preferences towards hand-drawn animation, and complaints over gender and race. Suffice to say, in the Fall 2013 period, things on the internet kept getting increasingly heated, and RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment now applies.

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* InternetBackdraft: The film was backlashed against before it was even released due to people judging its quality and its meta, based on what they saw in previews, interpretations of creator quotes, preferences towards hand-drawn animation, and complaints over gender and race. Suffice to say, in the Fall 2013 period, things on the internet kept getting increasingly heated, and RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment now applies.
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: Due to both having similar art styles and the trailers giving an emphasis on comedy, many assumed that the film would just be a rehash of ''Tangled'', despite no one having seen the film at that point. In reality, the film was shown to have a very different plot and characters that had little in common with Tangled.

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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: Due to both having similar art styles and the trailers giving an emphasis on comedy, many assumed that the film would just be a rehash of ''Tangled'', despite no one having seen the film at that point. In reality, the film was shown to have a very different plot and characters that had little in common with Tangled.
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* BrokenBase: Before it ''was even released'', the film accumulated mixed reactions--either people have admired what's been seen of it and are looking forward to it, or have been giving it flak for not using hand-drawn animation as they had hoped, not being a more direct adaptation of "Literature/TheSnowQueen", is another Caucasian European princess, is another Disney film starring princesses, and/or assumed it was going to be a rehash of ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' just because they have similar art styles.

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* BrokenBase: Before it ''was even released'', the film accumulated mixed reactions--either people have admired what's been seen of it and are looking forward to it, or have been giving it flak for not using hand-drawn animation as they had hoped, not being a more direct adaptation of "Literature/TheSnowQueen", is for being another Caucasian European princess, is for being another Disney film starring princesses, and/or assumed assuming it was going to be a rehash of ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' just because they have similar art styles.
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* BrokenBase: Before it ''was even released'', the film accumulated mixed reactions--either people have admired what's been seen of it and are looking forward to it, or have been giving it flak because it's not using hand-drawn animation as they had hoped, not a more direct adaptation of "Literature/TheSnowQueen", is another Caucasian European princess, is another Disney film starring princesses, and/or assume it's going to be a rehash of ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' just because they have similar art styles.

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* BrokenBase: Before it ''was even released'', the film accumulated mixed reactions--either people have admired what's been seen of it and are looking forward to it, or have been giving it flak because it's for not using hand-drawn animation as they had hoped, not being a more direct adaptation of "Literature/TheSnowQueen", is another Caucasian European princess, is another Disney film starring princesses, and/or assume it's assumed it was going to be a rehash of ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' just because they have similar art styles.



** Those who prefer the hand-drawn style of Disney animation were upset when it was announced that the film, initially announced as their next effort in that vein, would be CGI-animated instead. This was partly in thanks to the success of their newer CGI films like ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', which were positive received even though they weren't hand-drawn, and partly because they wanted to branch further into a different genre of animation than their usual style. Many people expressed disdain towards the film for being CGI and not hand-drawn as they had hoped by leaving complaints like "I miss the old Disney!" and "Go back to hand-drawn animation!" in the comments of the trailers.

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** Those who prefer the hand-drawn style of Disney animation were upset when it was announced that the film, initially announced as their next effort in that vein, would be CGI-animated instead. This was partly in thanks to the success of their newer CGI films like ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', which were positive received even though they weren't hand-drawn, and partly because they wanted to branch further into a different genre of animation than their usual style. Many people expressed disdain towards the film for being CGI and not hand-drawn as they had hoped wanted by leaving complaints like "I miss the old Disney!" and "Go back to hand-drawn animation!" in the comments of the trailers.



** Adding original male characters, such as Kristoff joining Anna on her quest, may have been an effort to make the film appeal to boys as well as girls, similar to the approach used in ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' with Rapunzel and Flynn Rider receiving the relatively same amount of attention. Unfortunately, this gave people the impression that their inclusion was done to make Anna seem more dependent due to her counterpart in the original story, Gerta, taking her journey largely alone. In a related case, even though each of them have individual characterizations and strengths, some people have backlashed against this movie for continuing the Disney tradition of casting the female leads as princesses, thinking that the DisneyPrincess franchise was sending the message of "Girls should only strive to be princesses" (which is pretty unrealistic, given how most girls grow out of that phase and there are so few princesses in power today) and not "These princesses have individual strengths and characteristics that girls should admire and follow".

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** Adding original male characters, such as Kristoff joining Anna on her quest, may have been an effort to make the film appeal to boys as well as girls, similar to the approach used in ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' with Rapunzel and Flynn Rider receiving the relatively same amount of attention. Unfortunately, this gave people the impression that their inclusion was done to make Anna seem more dependent due to her counterpart in the original story, Gerta, taking her journey largely alone. In a related case, even though each of them have individual characterizations and strengths, some people have backlashed against this movie for continuing the Disney tradition of casting the female leads as princesses, thinking that the DisneyPrincess franchise was sending the message of "Girls should only strive to be princesses" (which is pretty unrealistic, given how most girls grow out of that phase and there are so few princesses in power today) and not instead of "These princesses have individual strengths and characteristics that girls should admire and follow".



* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: Due to both having similar art styles and the trailers giving an emphasis on comedy, many assumed that the film would just be a rehash of ''Tangled'', despite no one having seen the film at that point and the two having very different plots.

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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: Due to both having similar art styles and the trailers giving an emphasis on comedy, many assumed that the film would just be a rehash of ''Tangled'', despite no one having seen the film at that point and point. In reality, the two having film was shown to have a very different plots.plot and characters that had little in common with Tangled.

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