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* {{Anvilicious}}: Frequent, and not at all subtle, especially in the later years. How much of it can be justified by SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped is a matter for considerable debate among the readership.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: Frequent, and not at all subtle, especially in the later years. How much of it can be justified by SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped is a matter for considerable debate among the readership. One big one featured the developmentally-disabled Shannon literally ''standing on a table'' during lunch hour to lecture everyone on how to treat the handicapped with respect. This was, of course perhaps something that ''needed'' to be said (it was prefaced with a kid going "coo-coo! coo-coo!" at the Special Ed lunch table.

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I think this deserves some more explaining. And removing SOME snark while retaining the negative parts- this IS a YMMV, after all.


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The author's viewpoint is that Thérèse is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him (the backdrop of a bit of narration over this shows her coldly standing and looking down while Anthony mourns over what she's done). But you could make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Thérèse towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby, giving up her career to become a {{housewife}}), and being a whiny about it when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Thérèse's "distance" was postpartum depression that is never elaborated upon (in the narration, it says "She became depressed" and is shown crying while Anthony holds their daughter). Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Thérèse from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Thérèse's jealousy. Essentially, though it's not fully-stated, you could easily claim that Anthony was emotionally-manipulative, uncaring and unfaithful, while Thérèse was put in an impossible position -- her only real crimes are cheating on her husband, and later abandoning their daughter.
** Lynn Johnston has a tendency to feel that childless career women are rather cold and selfish, and most women who are worth anything are wives and mothers (only a few exceptions are seen, such as Candace). The character of Connie (Lawrence's mother) was originally created to show this, but the author soon saw her in a sympathetic way and abandoned her plan - only to revive it with evil, evil Thérèse.
** Similarly, Anthony is seen by other characters as steadfast, loyal, and unfailingly devoted to Elizabeth. Since he maintained that loyalty and devotion to Elizabeth throughout his engagement and marriage to Thérèse, those traits aren't quite as admirable as they sound.
** Is Elly Patterson a long-suffering mother who never receives due praise for holding her home and family together, or does she deliberately make things more difficult for herself because she has a martyr complex? Are her children completely uncontrollable brats, or is she too self-absorbed and caught up in [[{{Wangst}} self-pity]] to tend to their emotional needs? Is she the OnlySaneMan and a true gift to her community? Or is she a complete ControlFreak, a pillar of negativity and hatred imposing her twisted vision of what's "good, true and right" on everyone around her? Did she raise her family well, or cause them to turn out as nasty and self-centered as she?
** April Patterson: bratty teen, or remarkably well-behaved girl whose biggest sin is being too young to move out when her parents want to retire? Also, some blame her for [[HeroicDog Farley's]] [[HeroicSacrifice death by drowning]] when she fell into the flooded creek. Others blame her parents for being almost criminally negligent, leaving a four-year-old unattended while they chatted with friends about their recent vacation. One could call her the OnlySaneMan because she was the only one who seemed to think that Anthony and Liz were being unfaithful.
** Is Michael a delicate genius, or a spoiled brat who uses his work as an excuse to avoid any contact with his children? Is he [[TransparentCloset in love with his friend Weed]]? Did Deanna make a mistake with her contraceptives, or did she do it deliberately to keep Michael from going on a trip?
** Did Thérèse actually cheat on Anthony, or did Anthony lie to John for sympathy from the Pattersons and further vilify Thérèse?



* CreatorsPet: Anthony, at least in terms of his suitability for Elizabeth, to the point of frank obsession. Both of Liz's parents go on about Anthony's wonderful qualities at various points, her friends eagerly ship them together (all of this quite openly during the period he was married to someone else) and at one point Johnston even discusses the subject in one of her Anthology collections, speaking of how it's those skinny nerdy kids that end up the most attractive and the "best catches". Later on, facing a fierce backlash from her readership who felt that Anthony was just ''too'' boring--especially in comparison to the attractive and exciting other men in Liz' life to that point--Johnston wrote a lengthy defense in which it turns out, again, that Anthony's blandness is in fact the very reason everyone should love him; he has solid prospects (as an accountant!), the Patterson parents know and approve of him, etc. etc. Basically, Anthony Caine is Lynn Johnston's Ideal Husband, and--understandably enough under the circs--you mess with that fantasy at your peril.

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* CreatorsPet: Anthony, at least in terms Anthony -- one of his suitability for Elizabeth, to the point of frank obsession. Both of most universally-despised Pets out there (particularly on TV Tropes). Numerous characters (especially Elizabeth's parents, who relentlessly ship them together, along with Liz's parents go on friends) extoll his praises, barely anybody says anything bad about Anthony's him, and even Johnston's own ''Anthology Collections'' explain how wonderful qualities at various points, her friends eagerly ship them together (all of this quite openly during the period he was married to someone else) and at one point Johnston even discusses the subject in one of her Anthology collections, speaking of how men like him are. She explains that it's those skinny "skinny nerdy kids kids" like Anthony that end up the most attractive and turn into the "best catches". Later on, facing a fierce backlash from her readership who felt catches", and that Anthony was just ''too'' boring--especially in comparison she's gone to the attractive her class reunions and exciting other men in Liz' life to that point--Johnston wrote a lengthy defense in which it turns out, again, that Anthony's blandness is in fact the very reason everyone should love him; he has solid prospects (as an accountant!), the Patterson parents know and approve of him, etc. etc. Basically, noticed this same thing! Essentially, Anthony Caine is what Lynn Johnston's Ideal Husband, and--understandably enough under imagines the circs--you mess "Perfect Husband" to be -- a dull, unadventurous, gawky, unambitious man.
** The fanbase, however, was taken
with different attributes -- his ugly moustache, his nerdy appearance, his boring and unambitious career (the accountant for a car shop than turned into a small chain), and a large degree of whininess and emotional dependency, as well as his unfaithfulness to his wife. Keep in mind that Liz's other love interests were handsome, passionate, ambitious career men with fascinating positions and lifestyles -- Liz dropped her own adventurous, unique life for "domestic bliss" with Captain Boring. Keep in mind ''also'' that a large part of the strip's fanbase was by this point identifying with the young post-college Elizabeth, which is why this particular trope ''stung'' so much. They and Lynn were on completely different tracks of where they thought things should go, and Lynn's personal fantasy at your peril.life was simply not to be.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The author's viewpoint is that Thérèse is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him. But it's possible to make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Thérèse towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby, giving up her career to become a {{housewife}}) and being a whiny little bitch when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Thérèse's "distance" was postpartum depression which Anthony did nothing about. Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Thérèse from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Therese's jealousy.

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The wording of this is a bit too "Darth Wiki", and I find it funnier to actually go into these tropes and discuss them.


* AccidentalAesop: It happens a lot. Favorites include: "a woman's duty is to become a {{Housewife}} even if you hate it", "children are horrible monsters because you have to take care of them and they want you to show them love and affection instead of [[ItsAllAboutMe spoiling yourself rotten]]", "men are pigs, but not having a husband or family means you're a complete failure as a woman", and "stealing another woman's husband away is perfectly fine".
** Given that at no point does anyone ever stand up to Mira Sobinski's overbearing behavior, it's rather obvious that Johnston wants the reader to believe this - "No matter how unreasonable or difficult your mother is, you must always accomodate her even when she's being nasty to you and everyone around you." Given that Johnston herself is apparently a very controlling parent of her now-grown children, one wonders if she was possibly nervous about giving any indication that standing up to your parents is ever acceptable.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The author's viewpoint is that Thérèse is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him. But it's possible to make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Thérèse towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby, giving up her career to become a {{housewife}}) and being a whiny little bitch when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Thérèse's "distance" was postpartum depression which Anthony did nothing about. Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Thérèse from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Therese's jealousy.

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* AccidentalAesop: It happens a lot. Favorites include: lot:
** Sympathetic women in the strip are generally expected to get married and housewives (with a few exceptions -- even many ''background'' characters are married off in the supporting materials), which is explained in-universe as a thankless, difficult, aggravating job. So it can be taken as
"a woman's duty is to become a {{Housewife}} even if you hate it", "children it".
** "Children
are horrible monsters because -- you have to take care of them and they want you to show them love and affection instead of [[ItsAllAboutMe spoiling spending any amount of time on yourself rotten]]", "men are pigs, but not having a husband or family means your interests, you're a complete failure as a woman", constantly breaking up fights and "stealing lose your sense of identity at the same time."
** "Men are pigs who slack off at home and rarely have anything supportive to say, but you have to marry one in order to have a family (see Aesop #1)".
** "Stealing
another woman's husband away is perfectly fine".
fine, so long as you think she's a shrew who makes him miserable."
** Given that at no point does anyone ever stand up to Mira Sobinski's Sobinski constantly gets away with her overbearing behavior, it's rather obvious behavior (save for once when Mike stands up to her), implying that Johnston wants "grace under fire" is an ideal -- that rocking the reader boat and complaining to believe this - "No matter how unreasonable or someone's face is too difficult your mother is, or horrible, so instead you must always accomodate her even when she's being nasty to you should let them do or say whatever they want... and everyone around you." Given that Johnston herself is apparently a very controlling parent of her now-grown children, one wonders if she was possibly nervous then complain about giving any indication that standing up to your parents is ever acceptable.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The author's viewpoint is that Thérèse is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and
them behind their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him. But it's possible to make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Thérèse towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby, giving up her career to become a {{housewife}}) and being a whiny little bitch when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Thérèse's "distance" was postpartum depression which Anthony did nothing about. Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Thérèse from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Therese's jealousy.(as nearly every character does this regarding her).

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** Is Elly Patterson a long-suffering mother who never receives due praise for holding her home and family together, or does she deliberately make things more difficult for herself because she has a martyr complex? Are her children completely uncontrollable brats, or is she too self-absorbed and caught up in [[{{Wangst}} self-pity]] to tend to their emotional needs? Is she the OnlySaneMan and a true gift to her community? Or is she a complete ControlFreak, a pillar of negativity and hatred imposing her twisted vision of what's 'good, true and right' on everyone around her? Did she raise her family well, or cause them to turn out as nasty and self-centered as she? SympatheticSue, or VillainProtagonist?

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** Is Elly Patterson a long-suffering mother who never receives due praise for holding her home and family together, or does she deliberately make things more difficult for herself because she has a martyr complex? Are her children completely uncontrollable brats, or is she too self-absorbed and caught up in [[{{Wangst}} self-pity]] to tend to their emotional needs? Is she the OnlySaneMan and a true gift to her community? Or is she a complete ControlFreak, a pillar of negativity and hatred imposing her twisted vision of what's 'good, true and right' on everyone around her? Did she raise her family well, or cause them to turn out as nasty and self-centered as she? SympatheticSue, or VillainProtagonist?



* PuritySue: Mike gets a $25,000 advance for his first novel, from the first publisher to whom he submits it, despite having no agent (theoretically possible, especially if you're Canadian). Nine short months later (this often takes ''two years'' to go from a single manuscript to book stores), his second novel is already a best seller and he has a movie deal lined up. Thing is, the excerpts of the novel on the [=FBorFW=] site are just plain terrible...
** For the non-writers out there, it's not uncommon for a first novel to go through dozens of publishers, even with an agent to fine-tune it, usually having to go through the same publisher multiple times. And a $25,000 dollar advance is ''huge'', considering $50-60,000 isn't bad for the total payment an author gets from a book.
** What really made Michael's book deal totally unbelievable was that, on top of the $25,000 advance, his publisher also gave the book a large expensive publicity campaign. One of the frustrations of the real-life publishing world is that publishers will usually spend lots of money to promote new books by established authors who are already famous (and books by celebrities), but publishers will almost never pay for publicity campaigns for new authors who would actually benefit from the publicity.
** Also Anthony, who everyone in the strip considers a saint, the only man Liz should marry, despite never doing anything worthy of being shilled by her parents, her friends, the author... did we mention they even did this kind of thing ''when he was married to someone else?''



* ThirtySuePileup: Elly, Elizabeth, Michael and Anthony.
* UnfortunateImplications: The token gay character grows up to become a florist. The same character in re-run strips, younger but now re-colored with dark skin (being half-white is less controversial now than in the Eighties), is shown encouraging Michael to shoplift.
** Many negative characters are those coming from "broken homes", or had single parents. In one strip, some vandals of the Patterson property were revealed as two kids from "good homes" (Elly was shocked that they could be involved), but a third kid talked them into it.
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* CreatorsPet: Anthony, at least in terms of his suitability for Elizabeth, to the point of frank obsession. Both of Liz's parents go on about Anthony's wonderful qualities at various points, her friends all open ship them as a couple (all of this quite openly during the period he was married to someone else) and at one point Johnston even discusses the subject in one of her Anthology collections, speaking of how it's those skinny nerdy kids that end up the most attractive and the "best catches". Later on, facing a fierce backlash from her readership who felt that Anthony was just ''too'' boring--especially in comparison to the attractive and exciting other men in Liz' life to that point--Johnston wrote a lengthy defense in which it turns out, again, that Anthony's blandness is in fact the very reason everyone should love him; he has solid prospects (as an accountant!), the Patterson parents know and approve of him, etc. etc. Somehow, to an audience of women tired of the same "Nerd Gets the Girl" stuff from male writers, this just did not go over well.

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* CreatorsPet: Anthony, at least in terms of his suitability for Elizabeth, to the point of frank obsession. Both of Liz's parents go on about Anthony's wonderful qualities at various points, her friends all open eagerly ship them as a couple together (all of this quite openly during the period he was married to someone else) and at one point Johnston even discusses the subject in one of her Anthology collections, speaking of how it's those skinny nerdy kids that end up the most attractive and the "best catches". Later on, facing a fierce backlash from her readership who felt that Anthony was just ''too'' boring--especially in comparison to the attractive and exciting other men in Liz' life to that point--Johnston wrote a lengthy defense in which it turns out, again, that Anthony's blandness is in fact the very reason everyone should love him; he has solid prospects (as an accountant!), the Patterson parents know and approve of him, etc. etc. Somehow, to an audience of women tired of Basically, Anthony Caine is Lynn Johnston's Ideal Husband, and--understandably enough under the same "Nerd Gets the Girl" stuff from male writers, this just did not go over well. circs--you mess with that fantasy at your peril.

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** As you can see, the {{Hatedom}} has taken this trope and run with it, inventing various interpretations of all the different characters. For instance, one [[WildMassGuessing Fanon theory]] claims that Elizabeth was constantly making Deanna refit the wedding dress because [[spoiler: she was trying to hide a baby bump.]]
* {{Anvilicious}} / SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Sometimes there are some rather anvilicious moments in the strips...yeah, she can go on AuthorFilibuster moments, but there have been a couple of these where they really needed to be said. Especially about Grandpa and Shannon; since these actually happen in real life.
* CreatorsPet: Anthony, to the point of fan obsession. Both of Liz's parents go on about Anthony at various points, and Johnston even discussed him in one of her Anthology collections, speaking of how it's those skinny nerdy kids that end up the most attractive and the "best catches" later on. Essentially, Lynn views Anthony as the Ideal Husband. Using Anthony in this manner, on an audience of women tired of the same "Nerd Gets The Girl" stuff from male writers, did not go over well.

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** As you can see, the {{Hatedom}} has taken this trope * {{Anvilicious}}: Frequent, and run with it, inventing various interpretations of not at all the different characters. For instance, one [[WildMassGuessing Fanon theory]] claims that Elizabeth was constantly making Deanna refit the wedding dress because [[spoiler: she was trying to hide a baby bump.]]
* {{Anvilicious}} / SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Sometimes there are some rather anvilicious moments
subtle, especially in the strips...yeah, she later years. How much of it can go on AuthorFilibuster moments, but there have been a couple of these where they really needed to be said. Especially about Grandpa and Shannon; since these actually happen in real life.
justified by SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped is a matter for considerable debate among the readership.
* CreatorsPet: Anthony, at least in terms of his suitability for Elizabeth, to the point of fan frank obsession. Both of Liz's parents go on about Anthony Anthony's wonderful qualities at various points, her friends all open ship them as a couple (all of this quite openly during the period he was married to someone else) and at one point Johnston even discussed him discusses the subject in one of her Anthology collections, speaking of how it's those skinny nerdy kids that end up the most attractive and the "best catches" later on. Essentially, Lynn views catches". Later on, facing a fierce backlash from her readership who felt that Anthony as was just ''too'' boring--especially in comparison to the Ideal Husband. Using Anthony attractive and exciting other men in this manner, on Liz' life to that point--Johnston wrote a lengthy defense in which it turns out, again, that Anthony's blandness is in fact the very reason everyone should love him; he has solid prospects (as an accountant!), the Patterson parents know and approve of him, etc. etc. Somehow, to an audience of women tired of the same "Nerd Gets The the Girl" stuff from male writers, this just did not go over well.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Anthony's actions immediately after rescuing Elizabeth from a violent assault by the man who's been stalking her for some time. Instead of then taking Elizabeth to the police to report her attempted rape, he first announces that "he's never had anything to fight for until now" (this, from a man with a wife and ''brand-new daughter''), then takes her to a park and proceeds to go on a whiny diatribe about how horrible ''his'' married life has become ("I have no home!"). From the context, this is mostly because his wife refuses to be a stereotypical stay-at-home mom. And all of it is explicitly an effort to guilt-trip the presumably deeply shaken, vulnerable Elizabeth into waiting for him. Apparently Johnston designed the entire assault plotline simply as a means to give Anthony an old-fashioned BigDamnHeroes moment, complete with StandardHeroReward, and until the inevitable backlash erupted had no idea that she was instead turning him into a {{Jerkass}} of the highest order. Not surprisingly, when the Anthony/Elizabeth relationship strips were later collected on the website, these particular scenes were quietly omitted.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Anthony's actions immediately after rescuing Elizabeth from a violent assault by the man who's been stalking her for some time. Instead of then taking Elizabeth to the police to report her attempted rape, he first announces that "he's never had anything to fight for until now" (this, from a man with a wife and ''brand-new daughter''), then takes her to a park and proceeds to go on a whiny diatribe about how horrible ''his'' married life has become ("I have no home!"). From the context, this is mostly because his wife refuses to be a stereotypical stay-at-home mom. And all of it is explicitly an effort to guilt-trip the presumably deeply shaken, vulnerable newly-vulnerable Elizabeth into waiting for him. Apparently Johnston designed the entire assault plotline simply as a means to give Anthony an old-fashioned BigDamnHeroes moment, complete with StandardHeroReward, and until the inevitable backlash erupted had no idea that she was instead turning him into a {{Jerkass}} of the highest order. Not surprisingly, when the Anthony/Elizabeth relationship strips were later collected on the website, these particular scenes were quietly omitted.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Anthony's actions immediately after rescuing Elizabeth from a violent assault by the man who's been stalking her for some time. Instead of then taking Elizabeth to the police to report her attempted rape, he first announces that "he's never had anything to fight for until now" (this, from a man with a wife and ''brand-new daughter''), then takes her to a park and proceeds to go on a whiny diatribe about how horrible ''his'' married life has become ("I have no home!"). From the context, this is mostly because his wife refuses to be a stereotypical stay-at-home mom. And all of it is explicitly an effort to guilt-trip Elizabeth--remember her, the young woman who's just been violently assaulted by her stalker?--into waiting for him. Apparently Johnston designed the entire assault plotline simply as a means to give Anthony an old-fashioned BigDamnHeroes moment, complete with StandardHeroReward, and until the inevitable backlash erupted had no idea that she was instead turning him into a {{Jerkass}} of the highest order, even to fans who were otherwise all for the match. Not surprisingly, when the Anthony/Elizabeth relationship strips were later collected on the website, these particular scenes were quietly omitted.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Anthony's actions immediately after rescuing Elizabeth from a violent assault by the man who's been stalking her for some time. Instead of then taking Elizabeth to the police to report her attempted rape, he first announces that "he's never had anything to fight for until now" (this, from a man with a wife and ''brand-new daughter''), then takes her to a park and proceeds to go on a whiny diatribe about how horrible ''his'' married life has become ("I have no home!"). From the context, this is mostly because his wife refuses to be a stereotypical stay-at-home mom. And all of it is explicitly an effort to guilt-trip Elizabeth--remember her, the young woman who's just been violently assaulted by her stalker?--into presumably deeply shaken, vulnerable Elizabeth into waiting for him. Apparently Johnston designed the entire assault plotline simply as a means to give Anthony an old-fashioned BigDamnHeroes moment, complete with StandardHeroReward, and until the inevitable backlash erupted had no idea that she was instead turning him into a {{Jerkass}} of the highest order, even to fans who were otherwise all for the match.order. Not surprisingly, when the Anthony/Elizabeth relationship strips were later collected on the website, these particular scenes were quietly omitted.
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* NeverLiveItDown: [[CreatorsPet "I]] [[{{Wangst}} have no]] hoooooome!"

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* NeverLiveItDown: [[CreatorsPet "I]] [[{{Wangst}} Anthony's actions immediately after rescuing Elizabeth from a violent assault by the man who's been stalking her for some time. Instead of then taking Elizabeth to the police to report her attempted rape, he first announces that "he's never had anything to fight for until now" (this, from a man with a wife and ''brand-new daughter''), then takes her to a park and proceeds to go on a whiny diatribe about how horrible ''his'' married life has become ("I have no]] hoooooome!"no home!"). From the context, this is mostly because his wife refuses to be a stereotypical stay-at-home mom. And all of it is explicitly an effort to guilt-trip Elizabeth--remember her, the young woman who's just been violently assaulted by her stalker?--into waiting for him. Apparently Johnston designed the entire assault plotline simply as a means to give Anthony an old-fashioned BigDamnHeroes moment, complete with StandardHeroReward, and until the inevitable backlash erupted had no idea that she was instead turning him into a {{Jerkass}} of the highest order, even to fans who were otherwise all for the match. Not surprisingly, when the Anthony/Elizabeth relationship strips were later collected on the website, these particular scenes were quietly omitted.
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*** more on Weed and his father - he never actually shows up in the strip. The one time Weed takes Michael home with him (and when Weed's career issues came up) the only person in the house, who enthusiastically greets Weed ('our boy is home!') and is hugged by Weed... is the housekeeper. (Michael initially mistakes her for Weed's grandmother) The discussion of photography vs the family business is held ''not'' with Weed's father, but the housekeeper. (please note: unlike the Pattersons, this ''is'' a discussion, not an argument. Both sides are calm and reasonable throughout) She points out (reasonably) that Weed's father just wants Weed to be well-settled financially, and doesn't want to hand over his business to strangers when he retires. Weed poignantly replies 'I AM a stranger! I'm his son - but he barely knows me!' Unspoken is that the whole reason that Weed's a stranger ''and'' reluctant heir is that his father is a genuine workaholic that put his business over his relationship with his son.

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** if you ever read the 'supplementary materials' on the official website... it's actually '''worse''' (no pun intended). Anthony and Therese's fathers basically set them up and force them together. At one point, Anthony's father tells him that 'Therese isn't the kind of woman you just mess around with - you don't do something with her unless you're willing to back it up' (ie marriage). The incident that prompts this sterling parental dictate? Anthony and Therese both go to the same music festival (each as part of a group of friends!) meet up ''by chance'', and spend some of the weekend hanging out and renewing their childhood acquaintance through their fathers working together. It's very clear that nothing more intimate happened than dancing together (in public) and sitting side-by-side talking (again, in public with witnesses).
Later on, when their relationship has 'progressed' to an occasional public dinner (and nothing more) they're both pretty much ambushed by their fathers and told they have to marry to avoid scandal (note: according to Anthony's 'behind the scenes letters' they haven't done anything scandalous... by ''Edwardian'' standards). It's pretty clear that Therese's father wants a male heir to take over the business, and Therese is going along with it because she wants to make her father happy, and that she hopes to change his mind about her being the best candidate. Anthony is going along with it... um, as far as I could tell, because he has nothing better to do.

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** if you ever read the 'supplementary materials' on the official website... it's actually '''worse''' (no pun intended). Anthony and Therese's fathers basically set them up and force them together. At one point, Anthony's father tells him that 'Therese isn't the kind of woman you just mess around with - you don't do something with her unless you're willing to back it up' (ie marriage). The incident that prompts this sterling parental dictate? Anthony and Therese both go to the same music festival (each as part of a group of friends!) meet up ''by chance'', and spend some of the weekend hanging out and renewing their childhood acquaintance through their fathers working together. It's very clear that nothing more intimate happened than dancing together (in public) and sitting side-by-side talking (again, in public with witnesses).
witnesses). Later on, when their relationship has 'progressed' to an occasional public dinner (and nothing more) they're both pretty much ambushed by their fathers and told they have to marry to avoid scandal (note: according to Anthony's 'behind the scenes letters' they haven't done anything scandalous... by ''Edwardian'' standards). It's pretty clear that Therese's father wants a male heir to take over the business, and Therese is going along with it because she wants to make her father happy, and that she hopes to change his mind about her being the best candidate. Anthony is going along with it... um, as far as I could tell, because he has nothing better to do.
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**if you ever read the 'supplementary materials' on the official website... it's actually '''worse''' (no pun intended). Anthony and Therese's fathers basically set them up and force them together. At one point, Anthony's father tells him that 'Therese isn't the kind of woman you just mess around with - you don't do something with her unless you're willing to back it up' (ie marriage). The incident that prompts this sterling parental dictate? Anthony and Therese both go to the same music festival (each as part of a group of friends!) meet up ''by chance'', and spend some of the weekend hanging out and renewing their childhood acquaintance through their fathers working together. It's very clear that nothing more intimate happened than dancing together (in public) and sitting side-by-side talking (again, in public with witnesses).
Later on, when their relationship has 'progressed' to an occasional public dinner (and nothing more) they're both pretty much ambushed by their fathers and told they have to marry to avoid scandal (note: according to Anthony's 'behind the scenes letters' they haven't done anything scandalous... by ''Edwardian'' standards). It's pretty clear that Therese's father wants a male heir to take over the business, and Therese is going along with it because she wants to make her father happy, and that she hopes to change his mind about her being the best candidate. Anthony is going along with it... um, as far as I could tell, because he has nothing better to do.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The strips where Elly imagines John cheating on her. Even her personal notes in the "new-run" strips comment on how uncomfortable that is.
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** Jo Weeder's [[AmbitionIsEvil father is depicted]] as being a heartless, soulless authoritarian because he pointed out that Weed would have to be exceptionally fortunate to make a career of photography. He joins Mira Sobinski and Gavin Caine in a rogue's gallery of allegedly awful parents whose crime was expecting their children to work for a living instead of passively waiting for miracles to solve their problems like the Pattersons do.

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** Jo Weeder's [[AmbitionIsEvil father is depicted]] depicted as being a heartless, soulless authoritarian because he pointed out that Weed would have to be exceptionally fortunate to make a career of photography. He joins Mira Sobinski and Gavin Caine in a rogue's gallery of allegedly awful parents whose crime was expecting their children to work for a living instead of passively waiting for miracles to solve their problems like the Pattersons do.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The author's viewpoint is that Thérèse is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him. But it's possible to make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Thérèse towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby, giving up her career and becoming a {{housewife}}) and being a whiny little bitch when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Thérèse's "distance" was postpartum depression which Anthony did nothing about. Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Thérèse from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Therese's jealousy.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The author's viewpoint is that Thérèse is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him. But it's possible to make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Thérèse towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby, giving up her career and becoming to become a {{housewife}}) and being a whiny little bitch when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Thérèse's "distance" was postpartum depression which Anthony did nothing about. Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Thérèse from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Therese's jealousy.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The author's viewpoint is that Thérèse is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him. But it's possible to make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Thérèse towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby) and being a whiny little bitch when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Thérèse's "distance" was postpartum depression which Anthony did nothing about. Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Thérèse from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Therese's jealousy.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The author's viewpoint is that Thérèse is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him. But it's possible to make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Thérèse towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby) baby, giving up her career and becoming a {{housewife}}) and being a whiny little bitch when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Thérèse's "distance" was postpartum depression which Anthony did nothing about. Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Thérèse from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Therese's jealousy.
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** Is Elly Patterson a long-suffering mother who never receives due praise for holding her home and family together, or does she deliberately make things more difficult for herself because she has a martyr complex? Are her children completely uncontrollable brats, or is she too self-absorbed and caught up in [[{{Wangst}} self-pity]] to tend to their emotional needs? Is she a complete ControlFreak, a pillar of negativity and hatred imposing her twisted vision of what's 'good, true and right' on everyone around her? Or is she the OnlySaneMan and a true gift to her community? Did she raise her family well, or cause them to turn out as nasty and self-centered as she? SympatheticSue, or VillainProtagonist?

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** Is Elly Patterson a long-suffering mother who never receives due praise for holding her home and family together, or does she deliberately make things more difficult for herself because she has a martyr complex? Are her children completely uncontrollable brats, or is she too self-absorbed and caught up in [[{{Wangst}} self-pity]] to tend to their emotional needs? Is she the OnlySaneMan and a true gift to her community? Or is she a complete ControlFreak, a pillar of negativity and hatred imposing her twisted vision of what's 'good, true and right' on everyone around her? Or is she the OnlySaneMan and a true gift to her community? Did she raise her family well, or cause them to turn out as nasty and self-centered as she? SympatheticSue, or VillainProtagonist?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The author's viewpoint is that Therese is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him. But it's possible to make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Therese towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby) and being a whiny little bitch when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Therese's "distance" was postpartum depression which Anthony did nothing about. Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Therese from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Therese's jealousy.
** WordOfGod is that childless career women are cold, selfish, self-centered wastes of space and that the only women who matter are full-time wives and mothers. The character of Connie (Lawrence's mother) was originally created to show this, but the author soon saw her in a sympathetic way and abandoned her plan - only to revive it with evil, evil Therese. Therese may also be evil because she is French-Canadian and attractive.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The author's viewpoint is that Therese Thérèse is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him. But it's possible to make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Therese Thérèse towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby) and being a whiny little bitch when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Therese's Thérèse's "distance" was postpartum depression which Anthony did nothing about. Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Therese Thérèse from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Therese's jealousy.
** WordOfGod is that childless career women are cold, selfish, self-centered wastes of space and that the only women who matter are full-time wives and mothers. The character of Connie (Lawrence's mother) was originally created to show this, but the author soon saw her in a sympathetic way and abandoned her plan - only to revive it with evil, evil Therese. Therese Thérèse. Thérèse may also be evil because she is French-Canadian and attractive.


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** Did Thérèse actually cheat on Anthony, or did Anthony lie to John for sympathy from the Pattersons and further vilify Thérèse?
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**The newspapers couldn't force Lynn to continue doing the strip if she didn't want to. (And, in fact, she eventually stopped drawing new strips.)

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** Given that at no point does anyone ever stand up to Mira Sobinski's overbearing behavior, it's rather obvious that Johnston wants the reader to believe this - "No matter how unreasonable or difficult your mother is, you must always accomodate her even when she's being nasty to you and everyone around you." Given that Johnston herself is apparently a very controlling parent of her now-grown children, one wonders if she was possibly nervous about giving any indication that standing up to your parents is ever acceptable.



** Thérèse and Anthony again, though it goes both ways a little. Thérèse is portrayed as horrendous for not staying home with her daughter, but going back to work after maternity leave, which is ''is what Anthony agreed to'', not to mention she is making more money than he is, and would be the better provider in a one-income family. Even worse, Thérèse is rightly portrayed as wrong for cheating on Anthony, but Anthony cheated too, if not outright physically. He specifically asked Elizabeth to "wait for him" (right after the AttemptedRape, no less - classy), which is not that much different. He then sits around waiting for Thérèse to cheat on him so he looks like the good one, instead of being an adult and admitting to her that their marriage isn't working. Though this last is TruthInTelevision - it's a massive step that most people would be reluctant to take.

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** Thérèse and Anthony again, though it goes both ways a little. Thérèse is portrayed as horrendous for not staying home with her daughter, but going back to work after maternity leave, which is ''is what Anthony agreed to'', not to mention she is making more money than he is, and would be the better provider in a one-income family. Even worse, Thérèse is rightly portrayed as wrong for cheating on Anthony, but Anthony cheated too, if not outright physically. He specifically asked Elizabeth to "wait for him" (right after the AttemptedRape, no less - classy), which is not that much different. Thérèse was also portrayed as being unreasonably paranoid and suspicious of his constant contact and pining for Elizabeth, when his behavior towards Liz as his marriage fell apart proves that he really did love Liz more (and seriously calls into question why in the world Anthony got married to her.) He then sits around waiting for Thérèse to cheat on him so he looks like the good one, instead of being an adult and admitting to her that their marriage isn't working. Though this last is TruthInTelevision - it's a massive step that most people would be reluctant to take.



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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Therese.Therese and April. The former because her supposed evil traits are usually read sympathetically by readers, and April because her family eventually starts treating her like TheUnfavorite to the point of selling their own house and forcing her to live in a basement just so their precious Michael can have a big home for his new family.
** A lot of people felt the only good thing to come out of the end of the comic was the revelation that April moved across the continent and never looked back. Sure, it's implied it was partially due to finding a "country boy", but she still at least got to choose a career and a partner without the constant meddling and pressure of her parents and has a career of her own.

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* CreatorsPet: Freaking ''[[http://shaenon.livejournal.com/29475.html Anthony.]]'', to the point of fan obsession. It did ''not'' help that in her rush to portray Anthony as Liz's destined knight, Johnston made the serious miscalculation of having him literally stride in and rescue Liz from a sexual assault -- claiming that he "never had anything to fight for until now!" ''while he was still married and a new father''. He followed that up a strip or two later by taking a badly-shaken Liz not to the police station, but to a park, where he sat her down and begged her to 'wait for him' because he "had no home!" Even among the marriage's most ardent supporters, he never quite lived down the implications of this storyline.
** Especially {{Squick}}-y in the case of Liz' father John, who dotes on the boy to the point where HoYay is the only explanation. In fact, both of Liz's parents go on about Anthony at various points, and Johnston even discussed him in one of her Anthology collections, speaking of how it's those skinny nerdy kids that end up the most attractive and the "best catches" later on. Essentially, Lynn views Anthony as the Ideal Husband. Using Anthony in this manner, on an audience of women tired of the same "Nerd Gets The Girl" stuff from male writers, did not go over well.

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* CreatorsPet: Freaking ''[[http://shaenon.livejournal.com/29475.html Anthony.]]'', Anthony, to the point of fan obsession. It did ''not'' help that in her rush to portray Anthony as Liz's destined knight, Johnston made the serious miscalculation of having him literally stride in and rescue Liz from a sexual assault -- claiming that he "never had anything to fight for until now!" ''while he was still married and a new father''. He followed that up a strip or two later by taking a badly-shaken Liz not to the police station, but to a park, where he sat her down and begged her to 'wait for him' because he "had no home!" Even among the marriage's most ardent supporters, he never quite lived down the implications of this storyline.
** Especially {{Squick}}-y in the case of Liz' father John, who dotes on the boy to the point where HoYay is the only explanation. In fact, both
Both of Liz's parents go on about Anthony at various points, and Johnston even discussed him in one of her Anthology collections, speaking of how it's those skinny nerdy kids that end up the most attractive and the "best catches" later on. Essentially, Lynn views Anthony as the Ideal Husband. Using Anthony in this manner, on an audience of women tired of the same "Nerd Gets The Girl" stuff from male writers, did not go over well.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Readers are meant to [[UnintentionallySympathetic despise Therese]] and [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic sympathize with her 'poor husband/ex-husband' Anthony.]] It's ''very easy'' to go the other way round, especially since a lot of fans online were either childfree or disliked the whole "you must have children and love them or else you are are unsympathetic" thing.
** Elly is a VillainProtagonist

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Readers The author's viewpoint is that Therese is a cold, calculating shrew with severe and unreasonable jealousy problems who, despite Anthony's being a loving and supportive spouse, distanced herself from him and their child, cheated on him, and cruelly divorced him. But it's possible to make a solid case that Anthony was manipulative and overbearing, pushing Therese towards things she didn't want (a house in the suburbs, a baby) and being a whiny little bitch when she insisted on doing what she'd planned to do, such as go back to work after Francoise was born. There's textual evidence to support the thesis that Therese's "distance" was postpartum depression which Anthony did nothing about. Additionally, Anthony was emotionally unfaithful to Therese from the get-go, pining after his ex-girlfriend Liz for his entire marriage. Anthony and Liz's wedding occurs at the end of the strip's run and would seem to justify Therese's jealousy.
** WordOfGod is that childless career women
are meant to [[UnintentionallySympathetic despise Therese]] cold, selfish, self-centered wastes of space and [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic sympathize that the only women who matter are full-time wives and mothers. The character of Connie (Lawrence's mother) was originally created to show this, but the author soon saw her in a sympathetic way and abandoned her plan - only to revive it with evil, evil Therese. Therese may also be evil because she is French-Canadian and attractive.
** Similarly, Anthony is seen by other characters as steadfast, loyal, and unfailingly devoted to Elizabeth. Since he maintained that loyalty and devotion to Elizabeth throughout his engagement and marriage to Therese, those traits aren't quite as admirable as they sound.
** Is Elly Patterson a long-suffering mother who never receives due praise for holding her home and family together, or does she deliberately make things more difficult for herself because she has a martyr complex? Are her children completely uncontrollable brats, or is she too self-absorbed and caught up in [[{{Wangst}} self-pity]] to tend to their emotional needs? Is she a complete ControlFreak, a pillar of negativity and hatred imposing her twisted vision of what's 'good, true and right' on everyone around her? Or is she the OnlySaneMan and a true gift to her community? Did she raise her family well, or cause them to turn out as nasty and self-centered as she? SympatheticSue, or VillainProtagonist?
** April Patterson: bratty teen, or remarkably well-behaved girl whose biggest sin is being too young to move out when her parents want to retire? Also, some blame her for [[HeroicDog Farley's]] [[HeroicSacrifice death by drowning]] when she fell into the flooded creek. Others blame her parents for being almost criminally negligent, leaving a four-year-old unattended while they chatted with friends about their recent vacation. One could call her the OnlySaneMan because she was the only one who seemed to think that Anthony and Liz were being unfaithful.
** Is Michael a delicate genius, or a spoiled brat who uses his work as an excuse to avoid any contact with his children? Is he [[TransparentCloset in love with his friend Weed]]? Did Deanna make a mistake
with her 'poor husband/ex-husband' Anthony.]] It's ''very easy'' contraceptives, or did she do it deliberately to go keep Michael from going on a trip?
** As you can see,
the other way round, especially since a lot {{Hatedom}} has taken this trope and run with it, inventing various interpretations of fans online were either childfree or disliked all the whole "you must have children and love them or else you are are unsympathetic" thing.
** Elly is
different characters. For instance, one [[WildMassGuessing Fanon theory]] claims that Elizabeth was constantly making Deanna refit the wedding dress because [[spoiler: she was trying to hide a VillainProtagonistbaby bump.]]
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* RootingForTheEmpire: 90% of the fandom was hoping that Elizabeth would end up with one of her WrongGuyFirst candidates, rather than the inevitable blandness that is [[CreatorsPet Anthony]].
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Liz Elizabeth and Anthony.Anthony. It was bad enough that Elizabeth dumped two other boyfriends that she had better chemistry with for Anthony. It was worse that Anthony was still married when they got together for good. It was even worse when Anthony's ex-wife was villainized as a horrible woman for ''daring'' to avert StayInTheKitchen and suspecting that Anthony was cheating on her (Even though he ''was'', and even though he promised he'd be a HouseHusband when he convinced Therese to get pregnant, then went back on his word.) What probably puts it in this trope the most is how ''everyone'' talked up this pairing, from Elizabeth's parents to their mutual friends to ''the author'', with the only person with reservations being TheUnfavorite of Elizabeth's family. And don't even mention the "[[AttemptedRape going]] [[RapePortrayedAsRedemption after]]" if you want to avoid a FlameWar.

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* {{Anvilicious}} / SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Sometimes there are some rather anvilicious moments in the strips...yeah, she can go on AuthorFilibuster moments, but there have been a couple of these where they really needed to be said. Especially about Grandpa; since this actually happens in real life.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: April befriends some kids who are special needs, and one of them ''really'' drops an Anvilicious speech. However, even in the time it was published (2004) That anvil still ''really'' needed to be dropped.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: April befriends some kids who are special needs, and one of them ''really'' drops an Anvilicious speech. However, even in the time it was published (2004) That anvil still ''really'' needed to be dropped.



** When the Pattersons are moving into their neighbours' house and selling their old house to Michael's family, April takes issue with the fact that ''she'' still lives there, too, and they aren't even taking her into consideration. She's distraught with both offers of staying in the house (Wherein she will be Michael's live-in babysitter.) or moving into the basement of the neighbours' house. April's friend tell her she has a pretty sweet deal out of it, and while April seems to be portrayed as being in the wrong, one can't really blame her for feeling a ''bit'' distraught given the major change that happened with her consideration being placed in.

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** When the Pattersons are moving into their neighbours' house and selling their old house to Michael's family, April takes issue with the fact that ''she'' still lives there, too, and they aren't even taking her into consideration. She's distraught with both offers of staying in the house (Wherein she will be Michael's live-in babysitter.) or moving into the basement of the neighbours' house. April's friend tell tells her that she has a pretty sweet deal out of it, and while it no matter what, but in all honest, can you ''blame'' April seems to be portrayed as for being in the wrong, one can't really blame her for feeling a ''bit'' distraught given the distraught, or needing time to get over it? A major change that happened with decision ''was'' made more or less without taking her consideration being placed in.into consideration.

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Even though this stuff wasn\'t supposed to be \'\'wrong\'\', none of it was preached as the Aesop, either. I\'m moving it to more appropriate tropes.


* AccidentalAesop: It happens a lot. Favorites include: "a woman's duty is to become a {{Housewife}} even if you hate it", "children are horrible monsters because you have to take care of them and they want you to show them love and affection instead of [[ItsAllAboutMe spoiling yourself rotten]]", "men are pigs, but not having a husband or family means you're a complete failure as a woman", and "stealing another woman's husband away is perfectly fine".



* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Where to begin? "A woman's duty is to become a {{Housewife}} even if you hate it"? "Children are horrible monsters because you have to take care of them and they want you to show them love and affection instead of [[ItsAllAboutMe spoiling yourself rotten]]"? "Men are pigs, but not having a husband or family means you're a complete failure as a woman"? "Stealing another woman's husband away is perfectly fine"?
** If you're a man and your wife tries to tell you to cut up your sandwich or wear different clothes, she's a horrible harpy and you're so put-upon. [[DoubleStandard If you're a woman]] and your husband makes you have a baby you don't want and move to a place you hate, you're a horrible harpy for being upset by it.
** If your [[ChristmasSpecial family doesn't appreciate you]] and won't admit that you're trying your best, fake your own death; they'll change their tune in a hurry.


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** Again, Therese. She's treated as a harpy for telling Anthony to cut up his sandwich or wear different clothes. Yet when he makes her have a baby she doesn't want and move to a place she hates, she's also a harpy for upset by it. The [[DoubleStandard sexist undertones]] don't help much.
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* CompleteMonster: A handful of characters are shown to be purely rotten, like Elizabeth's potential rapist at work. Certain other rotten types include the nasty girl at Elly's workplace, who stole from the company, threatened April with physical violence, and tried to sue the store when she was justifiably fired.
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** When the Pattersons are moving into their neighbours' house and selling their old house to Michael's family, April takes issue with the fact that ''she'' still lives there, too, and they aren't even taking her into consideration. She's distraught with both offers of staying in the house (Wherein she will be Michael's live-in babysitter.) or moving into the basement of the neighbours' house. April's friend tell her she has a pretty sweet deal out of it, and while April seems to be portrayed as being in the wrong, one can't really blame her for feeling a ''bit'' distraught given the major change that happened with her consideration being placed in.

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