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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The series's liberties with history (a lot of which seemed to be done to prop up sympathy for Joan Crawford) got a bit of criticism.
** Robert Aldrich developed ''Film/WhatEverHappenedToBabyJane'' long before Joan Crawford came on board, and she was pretty passive in its pre-production. Bette arguably was more involved - she suggested the black and white cinematography and recommended her old movies for Jane Hudson's bad performances.
** Portraying many things Bette does as motivated out of sticking it to Joan. For example, in real life she didn't know the wig was from one of Joan's old films (it had been regroomed so no one recognised it) and merely came up with Jane Hudson's make-up inspired by the homeless streetwalkers on Hollywood Boulevard.
** Downplaying Joan's diva behavior on the set of ''Film/HushHushSweetCharlotte'' in a clear attempt to make her look more sympathetic. She at one point refused to speak to Robert Aldrich directly and would only communicate through her make-up artist.
* WTHCastingAgency: Creator/CatherineZetaJones as Creator/OliviaDeHavilland is a strange choice. The former has very dark coloring thanks to her distant Greek roots, and in fact is often cast as the SpicyLatina because of it (even though she isn't Latina). Olivia de Havilland however in her youth was fairer with a more down to earth GirlNextDoor look. The two actresses simply don't look alike - making it an odd casting decision.
** Robert Aldrich developed ''Film/WhatEverHappenedToBabyJane'' long before Joan Crawford came on board, and she was pretty passive in its pre-production. Bette arguably was more involved - she suggested the black and white cinematography and recommended her old movies for Jane Hudson's bad performances.
** Portraying many things Bette does as motivated out of sticking it to Joan. For example, in real life she didn't know the wig was from one of Joan's old films (it had been regroomed so no one recognised it) and merely came up with Jane Hudson's make-up inspired by the homeless streetwalkers on Hollywood Boulevard.
** Downplaying Joan's diva behavior on the set of ''Film/HushHushSweetCharlotte'' in a clear attempt to make her look more sympathetic. She at one point refused to speak to Robert Aldrich directly and would only communicate through her make-up artist.
* WTHCastingAgency: Creator/CatherineZetaJones as Creator/OliviaDeHavilland is a strange choice. The former has very dark coloring thanks to her distant Greek roots, and in fact is often cast as the SpicyLatina because of it (even though she isn't Latina). Olivia de Havilland however in her youth was fairer with a more down to earth GirlNextDoor look. The two actresses simply don't look alike - making it an odd casting decision.
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* {{Narm}}: Joan's BigNo when she hears she's been replaced by Olivia de Havilland is unintentionally hilarious, as is the way she throws the vase at Mamacita - and then [[spoiler: acts surprised when the maid quits then and there]].
** It has to be said though that Joan Crawford was said to be quite theatrical in her everyday life, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch if she did act that way at some point.
** It has to be said though that Joan Crawford was said to be quite theatrical in her everyday life, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch if she did act that way at some point.
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* {{Narm}}: Joan's BigNo when she hears she's been replaced by Olivia de Havilland is unintentionally hilarious, as is the way she throws the vase at Mamacita - and then [[spoiler: acts surprised when the maid quits then and there]].
**there]]. It has to be said though that Joan Crawford was said to be quite theatrical in her everyday life, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch if she did act that way at some point.
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* HollywoodHomely: Bette. She is now considered one of the great cinematic beauties of her generation [[IWasQuiteALooker (granted, when she was younger)]], but Jack Warner claims he wouldn't want to fuck her back when she did her screen test. While she didn't age especially well by TheSixties, she was hardly as homely as made out, and with the casting of Creator/SusanSarandon as Bette, [[GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave this is less believable]].
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* HollywoodHomely: Bette. She is now considered one of the great cinematic beauties of her generation [[IWasQuiteALooker (granted, when she was younger)]], but Jack Warner claims he wouldn't want to fuck her back when she did her screen test. While she didn't age especially well by TheSixties, she was hardly as homely as made out, and with the casting of Creator/SusanSarandon as Bette, [[GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave [[SilverFox this is less believable]].
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** It has to be said though that Joan Crawford was said to be quite theatrical in her everyday life, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch if she did act that way at some point.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Much to the chagrin of some, the series did not depict Maidie Norman, the black actress who played Elvira in ''Film/WhateverHappenedToBabyJane''.
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* CreatorsPet: Creator/JessicaLange's Joan had more overall screentime than Creator/SusanSarandon's Bette, ostensibly due to her [[ProductionPosse gainful working relationship with Ryan Murphy]], which made some observe that the show could have just been a Creator/JoanCrawford docudrama. Sarandon nearly became a supporting player, although she started as a co-lead. This was most likely due to the series portraying Crawford as more of a catalyst for the rivalry than Davis. This, coupled with Joan's arguably more tragic final years, naturally led to a more singular focus on the character.
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** Joan's sardonic, largely sullen maid Mamacita is surprisingly popular with the fanbase, largely for her no-nonsense attitude.
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* CreatorsPet: Creator/JessicaLange's Joan had more overall screentime than Creator/SusanSarandon's Bette, ostensibly due to her [[ProductionPosse gainful working relationship with Ryan Murphy]], which made some observe that the show could have just been a Creator/JoanCrawford docudrama. Sarandon nearly became a supporting player, although she started as a co-lead. This was most likely due to the series portraying Crawford as more of a catalyst for the rivalry than Davis. This, coupled with Joan's arguably more tragic final years, naturally led to a more singular focus on the character. \n Not helping matters is that the show employs heavy use of ArtisticLicenceHistory to make Joan look more sympathetic, and Bette more antagonistic.
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**EnsembleDarkhorse: Joan's sardonic, largely sullen maid Mamacita is surprisingly popular with the fanbase, largely for her no-nonsense attitude.attitude.
* HarsherInHindsight: Bette's statement in the pilot episode "this is not a Joan Crawford picture" is oddly prophetic of how the series would focus more on Joan than Bette.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Bette's statement in the pilot episode "this is not a Joan Crawford picture" is oddly prophetic of how the series would focus more on Joan than Bette.
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** This was most likely due to the series portraying Crawford as more of a catalyst for the rivalry than Davis. This, coupled with Joan's arguably more tragic final years, naturally led to a more singular focus on the character.
** This was most likely due to the series portraying Crawford as more of a catalyst for the rivalry than Davis. This, coupled with Joan's arguably more tragic final years, naturally led to a more singular focus on the character.
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* HilariousInHindsight: A key point of tension in the feud is that Creator/BetteDavis has won two Oscars to Creator/JoanCrawford's one. However, in actuality the situation was reversed at the time the series aired - with Creator/SusanSarandon having one Oscar and Jessica Lange having two.
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** A key point of tension in the feud is that Creator/BetteDavis has won two Oscars to Creator/JoanCrawford's one. However, in actuality the situation was reversed at the time the series aired - with Creator/SusanSarandon having one Oscar and Jessica Lange having two.
** A key point of tension in the feud is that Creator/BetteDavis has won two Oscars to Creator/JoanCrawford's one. However, in actuality the situation was reversed at the time the series aired - with Creator/SusanSarandon having one Oscar and Jessica Lange having two.
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* CreatorsPet: Jessica Lange's Creator/JessicaLange's Joan had more overall screentime than Sarandon's Creator/SusanSarandon's Bette, ostensibly due to her [[ProductionPosse gainful working relationship with Ryan Murphy]], which made some observe that the show could have just been a Joan Crawford Creator/JoanCrawford docudrama. Sarandon nearly became a supporting player, although she started as a co-lead.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Joan's sardonic, largely sullen maid Mamacita is surprisingly popular with the fanbase, largely for her no-nonsense attitude.
* HilariousInHindsight: A key point of tension in the feud is that Bette Davis has won two Oscars to Joan Crawford's one. However, in actuality the situation was reversed at the time the series aired - with Susan Sarandon having one Oscar and Jessica Lange having two.
** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actress is especially ironic considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened not long before the series premiered (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that happened). The portrayal of Faye Dunaway in the season finale also calls the incident to mind, since Dunaway served as co-presenter of the award and compounded PW's mistake by reading the card without checking.
* HilariousInHindsight: A key point of tension in the feud is that Bette Davis has won two Oscars to Joan Crawford's one. However, in actuality the situation was reversed at the time the series aired - with Susan Sarandon having one Oscar and Jessica Lange having two.
** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actress is especially ironic considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened not long before the series premiered (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that happened). The portrayal of Faye Dunaway in the season finale also calls the incident to mind, since Dunaway served as co-presenter of the award and compounded PW's mistake by reading the card without checking.
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** Joan's sardonic, largely sullen maid Mamacita is surprisingly popular with the fanbase, largely for her no-nonsense attitude.
* HilariousInHindsight: A key point of tension in the feud is thatBette Davis Creator/BetteDavis has won two Oscars to Joan Crawford's Creator/JoanCrawford's one. However, in actuality the situation was reversed at the time the series aired - with Susan Sarandon Creator/SusanSarandon having one Oscar and Jessica Lange having two.
** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actress is especially ironic considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened not long before the series premiered (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that happened). The portrayal ofFaye Dunaway Creator/FayeDunaway in the season finale also calls the incident to mind, since Dunaway served as co-presenter of the award and compounded PW's mistake by reading the card without checking.
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* HilariousInHindsight: A key point of tension in the feud is that
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* LesYay: In this series' version of events, Mamacita acts very much like Joan Crawford's long-suffering, much-abused lover rather than simply her maid.
* MoralEventHorizon: Joan hijacking the Oscars and humiliating Bette Davis by accepting the Oscar for Anne Bancroft is one (though the series attempts to justify this by implying that Bancroft, and Geraldine Page as well, only went along with Joan's offer out of pity) - though by the time Joan attempts to kill the film "Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte", the show doesn't even try and give an out for her behavior.
* MoralEventHorizon: Joan hijacking the Oscars and humiliating Bette Davis by accepting the Oscar for Anne Bancroft is one (though the series attempts to justify this by implying that Bancroft, and Geraldine Page as well, only went along with Joan's offer out of pity) - though by the time Joan attempts to kill the film "Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte", the show doesn't even try and give an out for her behavior.
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* LesYay: In this series' version of events, Mamacita acts very much like Joan Crawford's Creator/JoanCrawford's long-suffering, much-abused lover rather than simply her maid.
* MoralEventHorizon: Joan hijacking the Oscars and humiliatingBette Davis Creator/BetteDavis by accepting the Oscar for Anne Bancroft Creator/AnneBancroft is one (though the series attempts to justify this by implying that Bancroft, and Geraldine Page as well, only went along with Joan's offer out of pity) - though by the time Joan attempts to kill the film "Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte", ''Film/HushHushSweetCharlotte'', the show doesn't even try and give an out for her behavior.
* MoralEventHorizon: Joan hijacking the Oscars and humiliating
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* HollywoodHomely: Bette. She is now considered one of the great cinematic beauties of her generation [[IWasQuiteALooker (granted, when she was younger)]], but Jack Warner claims he wouldn't want to fuck her back when she did her screen test. While she didn't age especially well by TheSixties, she was hardly as homely as made out, and with the casting of Susan Sarandon as Bette, this is less believable.
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* HollywoodHomely: Bette. She is now considered one of the great cinematic beauties of her generation [[IWasQuiteALooker (granted, when she was younger)]], but Jack Warner claims he wouldn't want to fuck her back when she did her screen test. While she didn't age especially well by TheSixties, she was hardly as homely as made out, and with the casting of Susan Sarandon Creator/SusanSarandon as Bette, [[GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave this is less believable.believable]].
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Joan's sardonic, largely sullen maid Mamacita is surprisingly popular with the fanbase. Mostly for her take-no-shit attitude.
* FakeAmerican: Londoner Alfred Molina plays American Robert Aldrich. Pauline is also played by a British actress.
* FakeBrit: British directors Freddie Francis and David Lean are played with wonky accents by Americans David Kimball and Anthony Crivello.
* FakeAmerican: Londoner Alfred Molina plays American Robert Aldrich. Pauline is also played by a British actress.
* FakeBrit: British directors Freddie Francis and David Lean are played with wonky accents by Americans David Kimball and Anthony Crivello.
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* FakeAmerican: Londoner Alfred Molina plays American Robert Aldrich. Pauline is also played by a British actress.
* FakeBrit: British directors Freddie Francis and David Lean are played with wonky accents by Americans David Kimball and Anthony Crivello.no-nonsense attitude.
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* UnfortunateImplications: [[http://marrymejasonsegel.tumblr.com/post/158401364392/a-note-on-feud As reported in this post]], the series did not depict Maidie Norman, the black actress who played Elvira in ''Film/WhateverHappenedToBabyJane''.
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* UnfortunateImplications: [[http://marrymejasonsegel.tumblr.com/post/158401364392/a-note-on-feud As reported in this post]], the The series did not depict Maidie Norman, the black actress who played Elvira in ''Film/WhateverHappenedToBabyJane''.''Film/WhateverHappenedToBabyJane'', much to the chagrin of some.
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* CreatorsPet: Jessica Lange's Joan gets increasingly more and more screen time than Sarandon's Bette as the series wears on, ostensibly due to her [[ProductionPosse gainful working relationship with Ryan Murphy]], making some observe that the show could have just been a Joan Crawford biopic, as Sarandon nearly becomes a supporting player when she started as a co-lead.
** This may be due to the series depicting Crawford as more of a catalyst for the rivalry than Davis, thus naturally giving the character enhanced screentime.
** This may be due to the series depicting Crawford as more of a catalyst for the rivalry than Davis, thus naturally giving the character enhanced screentime.
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* CreatorsPet: Jessica Lange's Joan gets increasingly had more and more screen time overall screentime than Sarandon's Bette as the series wears on, Bette, ostensibly due to her [[ProductionPosse gainful working relationship with Ryan Murphy]], making which made some observe that the show could have just been a Joan Crawford biopic, as docudrama. Sarandon nearly becomes became a supporting player when player, although she started as a co-lead.
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* HollywoodHomely: Bette. She is now considered one of the great cinematic beauties of her generation [[IWasQuiteALooker (granted, when she was younger)]], but Jack Warner claims he wouldn't want to fuck her back when she did her screen test. While she didn't age especially well by TheSixties, she was hardly as homely as made out, and with the casting of Susan Sarandon as Bette, this is less believable.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Joan hijacking the Oscars and humiliating Bette Davis by accepting the Oscar for Anne Bancroft is one (though the series attempts to justify this by implying that Bancroft only went along with it out of pity), though by the time Joan attempts to kill the film "Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte", the show doesn't even try and give an out for Joan's monstrous behavior.
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** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actress is especially ironic considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened nkt not long before the series premiered (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that happened). The portrayal of Faye Dunaway in the season finale also calls the incident to mind, since Dunaway served as co-presenter of the award and compounded PW's mistake by reading the card without checking.
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** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actress is especially ironic considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened less than a month nkt long before the series premieres premiered (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that happened). The portrayal of Faye Dunaway in the season finale also calls the incident to mind, since Dunaway served as co-presenter of the award and compounded PW's mistake by reading the card without checking.
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** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actress is especially ironic considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened less than a month before the series premieres (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that even happened). The portrayal of Faye Dunaway in the season finale also harkens back to calls the incident, incident to mind, since it was Dunaway who served as co-presenter of the award and compounded on PW's mistake by thoughtlessly reading the card without checking.
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** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actress is especially ironic considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened less than a month before (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that even happened). The portrayal of Faye Dunaway in the season finale also harkens back to the incident, since it was Dunaway who compounded on PW's mistake by thoughtlessly reading the card without checking.
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** This may be due to the series depicting Crawford as more of a catalyst for the rivalry than Davis, thus naturally giving the character enhanced screentime.
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* HilariousInHindsight: A key point of tension in the feud is that Bette Davis has won two Oscars to Joan Crawford's one. However the Oscar count is reversed at the time of series release with Susan Sarandon having won one and Jessica Lange having won two.
** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actress are especially hilarious considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened less than a month before (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that even happened).
* HollywoodHomely: Bette. She is now considered one of the great cinematic beauties of her generation [[IWasQuiteALooker (granted, when she was younger)]], but Jack Warner claims he wouldn't want to fuck her back when she did her screen test. While she didn't age well by TheSixties, she was hardly as homely as made out and with the casting of Susan Sarandon as Bette, this is less believable.
** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actress are especially hilarious considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened less than a month before (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that even happened).
* HollywoodHomely: Bette. She is now considered one of the great cinematic beauties of her generation [[IWasQuiteALooker (granted, when she was younger)]], but Jack Warner claims he wouldn't want to fuck her back when she did her screen test. While she didn't age well by TheSixties, she was hardly as homely as made out and with the casting of Susan Sarandon as Bette, this is less believable.
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* HilariousInHindsight: A key point of tension in the feud is that Bette Davis has won two Oscars to Joan Crawford's one. However However, in actuality the Oscar count is situation was reversed at the time of the series release aired - with Susan Sarandon having won one Oscar and Jessica Lange having won two.
** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actressare is especially hilarious ironic considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened less than a month before (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that even happened).
* HollywoodHomely: Bette. She is now considered one of the great cinematic beauties of her generation [[IWasQuiteALooker (granted, when she was younger)]], but Jack Warner claims he wouldn't want to fuck her back when she did her screen test. While she didn't age well by TheSixties, she was hardly as homely as madeout out, and with the casting of Susan Sarandon as Bette, this is less believable.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Joan hijacking the Oscars and humiliating Bette Davis by accepting the Oscar for Anne Bancroft is one (though the film series attempts to justify this by having it implied implying that Bancroft only went along with it out of pity) is one pity), though by the time Joan attempts to kill the film "Hush Hush "Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte", the show doesn't even try and give an out for Joan's monstrous behavior.
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* HollywoodHomely: Bette. She is now considered one of the great cinematic beauties of her generation [[IWasQuiteALooker (granted, when she was younger)]], but Jack Warner claims he wouldn't want to fuck her back when she did her screen test. While she didn't age well by TheSixties, she was hardly as homely as made out and with the casting of Susan Sarandon as Bette, this is less believable.
* HollywoodHomely: Bette. She is now considered one of the great cinematic beauties of her generation [[IWasQuiteALooker (granted, when she was younger)]], but Jack Warner claims he wouldn't want to fuck her back when she did her screen test. While she didn't age well by TheSixties, she was hardly as homely as made out and with the casting of Susan Sarandon as Bette, this is less believable.
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* CreatorsPet: Jessica Lange's Joan gets increasingly more and more screen time than Sarandon's Bette as the series wears on, ostensibly due to her [[ProductionPosse gainful working relationship with Ryan Murphy]], making some observe that the show could have just been a Joan Crawford biopic, as Sarandon nearly becomes a supporting player when she started as a co-lead.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Joan hijacking the Oscars and humiliating Bette Davis by accepting the Oscar for Anne Bancroft is one (though the film attempts to justify this by having it implied that Bancroft only went along with it out of pity) is one though by the time Joan attempts to kill the film "Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte", the show doesn't even try and give an out for Joan's monstrous behavior.
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** Joan's questioning of Price Waterhouse's tabulations for Best Actress are especially hilarious considering the Best Picture fiasco that happened less than a month before (keep in mind that this was filmed well before that even happened)
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Joan's sardonic, largely sullen maid Mamacita is surprisingly popular with the fanbase. Mostly for her take-no-shit attitude.
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* OneSceneWonder: Creator/JohnWaters as Creator/WilliamCastle at the beginning of "Hagsploitation."
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* LesYay: In this series' version of events, Mamacita acts very much like Joan Crawford's long-suffering, much-abused lover rather than simply her maid.
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* Hilarious in Hindsight: A key point of tension in the feud is that Bette Davis has won two Oscars to Joan Crawford's one. However the Oscar count is reversed at the time of series release with Susan Sarandon having won one and Jessica Lange having won two.
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* Hilarious in Hindsight: HilariousInHindsight: A key point of tension in the feud is that Bette Davis has won two Oscars to Joan Crawford's one. However the Oscar count is reversed at the time of series release with Susan Sarandon having won one and Jessica Lange having won two.
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* ProductionPosse: ''Bette and Joan'' stars Creator/JessicaLange, Creator/SarahPaulson, and Creator/KathyBates have all played prominent roles in other Murphy projects.
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* ProductionPosse: ''Bette and Joan'' stars Creator/JessicaLange, Creator/SarahPaulson, and Creator/KathyBates have all UnfortunateImplications: [[http://marrymejasonsegel.tumblr.com/post/158401364392/a-note-on-feud As documented in this post]], the show is apparently going to completely overlook Maidie Norman, the actress who played prominent roles Elvira in other Murphy projects.''Film/WhateverHappenedToBabyJane''.
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