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** Already the show has gotten a lot of comparisons to ''Series/{{The Last of Us|2023}}''. Both are TV adaptations of popular video game franchises, both have a post-apocalyptic setting, and both star a plucky brunette young woman and a more jaded survivor of the apocalypse.
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** Already the show has gotten a lot of comparisons to ''Series/{{The Last of Us|2023}}''. Both are TV adaptations of popular video game franchises, both have a post-apocalyptic setting, and both star a plucky brunette young woman and a more jaded survivor of the apocalypse. The comparison is even stronger when Season 1 ends with [[spoiler:them becoming reluctant travel companions]].
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* JerkassWoobie: Cooper Howard, or The Ghoul, lost his acting career working with Vault-Tec then learned the AwfulTruth that his wife came up with the idea to turn the Vaults into test chambers for whatever Vault-Tec's shareholders wanted. He was then outside the Vaults when the bombs went off, became a Ghoul at some point in time, and lost his family while witnessing the fall of civilization firsthand. These experiences have left him a very cynical and changed man willing to mow down anything and anyone in his way and [[spoiler:sell Lucy to organ harvesters]] in desperation.
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* JerkassWoobie: Cooper Howard, or The Ghoul, lost his acting career working with Vault-Tec then when he learned the AwfulTruth that his [[spoiler:his wife came up with the idea to turn the Vaults into test chambers for whatever Vault-Tec's shareholders wanted.wanted]]. He was then outside the Vaults when the bombs went off, became a Ghoul at some point in time, and lost his family while witnessing the fall of civilization firsthand. These experiences have left him a very cynical and changed man willing to mow down anything and anyone in his way and [[spoiler:sell Lucy to organ harvesters]] in desperation.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Many within the ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' fandom would prefer to ignore the impact this series has had on a number of factions within the game[[spoiler:the NCR has been left in an unclear but worse state years after their last appearance, with Shady Sands being stated to have fallen in 2277 (with some accusations that it has decanonized ''New Vegas'' entirely as it was the same year that the First Battle for Hoover Dam took place, with Shady Sands and the NCR still being major players four years later which losing a capital city would certainly upend). Also, Mr. House was revealed to be one of the participants at Vault-Tec's meeting about the Vaults and instigating the Great War, while TheStinger of the finale shows that New Vegas itself has been abandoned or at least left in a ruined state of its own over a decade later, making any action the Courier took to help Vegas and the factions a case of AllForNothing. Some fans even went so far as to accuse Bethesda of [[ArmedWithCanon writing this into the series]] out of ''spite''; there ''has'' been a long-standing conspiracy theory that Bethesda's pretty bitter about the CultClassic status of ''New Vegas'']].
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Many within the ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' fandom would prefer to ignore the impact this series has had on a number of factions within the game[[spoiler:the game; [[spoiler:the NCR has been left in an unclear but worse state years after their last appearance, with Shady Sands being stated to have fallen in 2277 (with some accusations that it has decanonized ''New Vegas'' entirely as it was the same year that the First Battle for Hoover Dam took place, with Shady Sands and the NCR still being major players four years later which losing a capital city would certainly upend). Also, Mr. House was revealed to be one of the participants at Vault-Tec's meeting about the Vaults and instigating the Great War, while TheStinger of the finale shows that New Vegas itself has been abandoned or at least left in a ruined state of its own over a decade later, making any action the Courier took to help Vegas and the factions a case of AllForNothing. Some fans even went so far as to accuse Bethesda of [[ArmedWithCanon writing this into the series]] out of ''spite''; there ''has'' been a long-standing conspiracy theory that Bethesda's pretty bitter about the CultClassic status of ''New Vegas'']].
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* AngstAversion: Many within the ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' fandom reacted negatively to [[spoiler:the impact this series has had on a number of factions within the game; the NCR has been left in an unclear but worse state years after their last appearance, with Shady Sands being stated to have fallen in 2277 (with some accusations that it has decanonized ''New Vegas'' entirely as it was the same year that the First Battle for Hoover Dam took place, with Shady Sands and the NCR still being major players four years later which losing a capital city would certainly upend). Also, Mr. House was revealed to be one of the participants at Vault-Tec's meeting about the Vaults and instigating the Great War, while TheStinger of the finale shows that New Vegas itself has been abandoned or at least left in a ruined state of its own over a decade later, making any action the Courier took to help Vegas and the factions a case of AllForNothing. Some fans even went so far as to accuse Bethesda of [[ArmedWithCanon writing this into the series]] out of ''spite''; there ''has'' been a long-standing conspiracy theory that Bethesda's pretty bitter about the CultClassic status of ''New Vegas'']].
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "culture war youtubers" ([[AngryWhiteMan content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media]]) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned ''Halo'' TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller simply let their personal biases]] justify them giving the show a negative review. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes. aspects).
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "culture war youtubers" ([[AngryWhiteMan content (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media]]) media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned ''Halo'' TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller simply let their personal biases]] justify them giving the show a negative review. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes. aspects).
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** How [[spoiler:complicit is [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas Mr. House]] in Vault-Tec's experiments and the events that led to the Great War? He's shown both not actively agreeing with Vault-Tec's plans and actively having doubts as to whether such an "investment" is worth the payoff. Plus, his personality in the game he debuts from [[PragmaticVillainy shows him as a lot more considerate and moderate]] when explaining his motivations than the other executives at the meeting were known for being in the lore adds more question to Mr. House's complicity to ending the world.]]
*** And how much is just [[spoiler:House being smart enough to not say anything that will get him killed while in the same conference room as a bunch of gibberingly insane fascists who literally want to end the world? If he'd objected outright on moral or even pragmatic grounds, he might not have made it out of the building alive.]]
*** And how much is just [[spoiler:House being smart enough to not say anything that will get him killed while in the same conference room as a bunch of gibberingly insane fascists who literally want to end the world? If he'd objected outright on moral or even pragmatic grounds, he might not have made it out of the building alive.]]
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** How [[spoiler:complicit One of the pre-War representatives was an important character in a previous installment and people are trying to make heads or tails of his behaviour: [[spoiler:How complicit is [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas Mr. House]] Robert House in Vault-Tec's experiments and the events that led to the Great War? He's shown both not actively agreeing with Vault-Tec's plans and actively having doubts as to whether such an "investment" is worth the payoff. Plus, his personality in There's also the game he debuts from [[PragmaticVillainy shows him as a lot far more considerate and moderate]] when explaining his motivations than the other executives at the meeting were known for being in the lore adds more question to Mr. House's complicity to ending the world.]]
*** And how much is just [[spoiler:House being smart enough to not say anything that will get him killed while in the samebanal matter of sharing a conference room as with a bunch of gibberingly people powerful and insane fascists who literally want enough to end the world? If he'd objected start an atomic war; outright objections would change nothing at best and put House in their crosshairs at worst. ''New Vegas'' depicted House as far more pragmatic, and willing to coexist with a post-War country (NCR) on moral or even pragmatic grounds, he might his terms, but not have made it out of above exterminating a faction that could be problematic in the building alive.future (Mojave Brotherhood) or just in his way/not subservient to him (the Kings in some ''NV'' endings), so his behaviour in this show can be interpreted in a variety of ways.]]
*** And how much is just [[spoiler:House being smart enough to not say anything that will get him killed while in the same
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*** And how much is just [[spoiler:House being smart enough to not say anything that will get him killed while in the same conference room as a bunch of gibberingly insane fascists who literally want to end the world? If he'd objected outright on moral or even pragmatic grounds, he might not have made it out of the building alive.]]
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** [[spoiler:New Vegas being in ruins and abandoned is something that many viewers extrapolated based on exactly ''one shot'' that shows the city dark in the distance... at dawn, when the lights would logically be shut off. While it is dark and partly damaged, there's nothing to indicate that New Vegas is so destroyed that the Courier's efforts were AllForNothing. Even if there is no power, an equally likely explanation could simply be that a recent attack robbed New Vegas of its electricity, and that the city is still functioning to a degree.]]
** [[spoiler:"Vault-Tec" caused the Great War. While not ruled out, it's simply shown that Vault-Tec, and a cabal of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corrupt corporate executives]] ''wanted'' it to happen, not that they did it. This means that it is still possible the show could, in flashbacks in later seasons, still end up aligning with the ambiguously canon "Fallout Bibles", where the Enclave was said to have fully embraced nuclear war as a way to "wipe the slate clean" and "begin again", along with with claims by Tim Cain that China did in fact drop the bombs first]].
** [[spoiler:New Vegas being in ruins and abandoned is something that many viewers extrapolated based on exactly ''one shot'' that shows the city dark in the distance... at dawn, when the lights would logically be shut off. While it is dark and partly damaged, there's nothing to indicate that New Vegas is so destroyed that the Courier's efforts were AllForNothing. Even if there is no power, an equally likely explanation could simply be that a recent attack robbed New Vegas of its electricity, and that the city is still functioning to a degree.]]
** [[spoiler:"Vault-Tec" caused the Great War. While not ruled out, it's simply shown that Vault-Tec, and a cabal of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corrupt corporate executives]] ''wanted'' it to happen, not that they did it. This means that it is still possible the show could, in flashbacks in later seasons, still end up aligning with the ambiguously canon "Fallout Bibles", where the Enclave was said to have fully embraced nuclear war as a way to "wipe the slate clean" and "begin again", along with with claims by Tim Cain that China did in fact drop the bombs first]].
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* AngstAversion: Many within the ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' fandom reacted negatively to [[spoiler:the impact this series has had on a number of factions within the game; the NCR has been left in an unclear but worse state years after their last appearance, with Shady Sands being stated to have fallen in 2277 (with some accusations that it has decanonized ''New Vegas'' entirely as it was the same year that the First Battle for Hoover Dam took place, with Shady Sands and the NCR still being major players four years later which losing a capital city would certainly upend). Also, Mr. House was revealed to be one of the participants at Vault-Tec's meeting about the Vaults and instigating the Great War, while TheStinger of the finale shows that New Vegas itself has been abandoned or at least left in a ruined state of its own over a decade later, making any action the Courier took to help Vegas and the factions a case of AllForNothing. Some fans even went so far as to accuse Bethesda of [[ArmedWithCanon writing this into the series]] out of ''spite''; there ''has'' been a long-standing theory that Bethesda's pretty bitter about the CultClassic status of ''New Vegas'']].
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* AngstAversion: Many within the ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' fandom reacted negatively to [[spoiler:the impact this series has had on a number of factions within the game; the NCR has been left in an unclear but worse state years after their last appearance, with Shady Sands being stated to have fallen in 2277 (with some accusations that it has decanonized ''New Vegas'' entirely as it was the same year that the First Battle for Hoover Dam took place, with Shady Sands and the NCR still being major players four years later which losing a capital city would certainly upend). Also, Mr. House was revealed to be one of the participants at Vault-Tec's meeting about the Vaults and instigating the Great War, while TheStinger of the finale shows that New Vegas itself has been abandoned or at least left in a ruined state of its own over a decade later, making any action the Courier took to help Vegas and the factions a case of AllForNothing. Some fans even went so far as to accuse Bethesda of [[ArmedWithCanon writing this into the series]] out of ''spite''; there ''has'' been a long-standing conspiracy theory that Bethesda's pretty bitter about the CultClassic status of ''New Vegas'']].
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** [[spoiler:"Vault-Tec" caused the Great War. While not ruled out, it's simply shown that Vault-Tec, and a cabal of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corrupt corporate executives]] ''wanted'' it to happen, not that they did it. This would match with the ambiguously canon "Fallout Bibles", where the Enclave was said to have fully embraced nuclear war as a way to "wipe the slate clean" and "begin again"]].
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** [[spoiler:"Vault-Tec" caused the Great War. While not ruled out, it's simply shown that Vault-Tec, and a cabal of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corrupt corporate executives]] ''wanted'' it to happen, not that they did it. This would match means that it is still possible the show could, in flashbacks in later seasons, still end up aligning with the ambiguously canon "Fallout Bibles", where the Enclave was said to have fully embraced nuclear war as a way to "wipe the slate clean" and "begin again"]].again", along with with claims by Tim Cain that China did in fact drop the bombs first]].
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: After Cooper is forced to MercyKill an old friend, he proceeds to start gutting him and eating him to Lucy's horror. This ImAHumanitarina moment is never explained, plays no role in the larger story, and is never mentioned again.
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* BrokenBase: While the series has garnered a positive reception from the wider public, there is a sizeable portion of the preexisting fanbase that is absolutely livid about the fate of the NCR, as it is viewed as an attempt to keep the setting stagnant and undoes the achievements and deeds of the west coast/mojave games.
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail:
** Leading up to the premiere, there was much grumbling and speculation over the quality of the series due to the ''very'' long track record of [[VideoGameMoviesSuck terrible live-action adaptations of various Video Game properties]], with diehard fans in particular being worried about it turning out to be as lackluster and divisive as ''Series/Halo2022'' or ''Series/ResidentEvil2022''. After the premiere was wildly well received by audiences and critics alike, many of these same fans were pleasantly surprised (though some had issues concerning the lore aspects).
** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "culture war youtubers" ([[AngryWhiteMan content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media]]) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned ''Halo'' TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller simply let their personal biases]] justify them giving the show a negative review. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
** Leading up to the premiere, there was much grumbling and speculation over the quality of the series due to the ''very'' long track record of [[VideoGameMoviesSuck terrible live-action adaptations of various Video Game properties]], with diehard fans in particular being worried about it turning out to be as lackluster and divisive as ''Series/Halo2022'' or ''Series/ResidentEvil2022''. After the premiere was wildly well received by audiences and critics alike, many of these same fans were pleasantly surprised (though some had issues concerning the lore aspects).
** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "culture war youtubers" ([[AngryWhiteMan content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media]]) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned ''Halo'' TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller simply let their personal biases]] justify them giving the show a negative review. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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**AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Leading up to the premiere, there was much grumbling and speculation over the quality of the series due to the ''very'' long track record of [[VideoGameMoviesSuck terrible live-action adaptations of various Video Game properties]], with diehard fans in particular being worried about it turning out to be as lackluster and divisive as ''Series/Halo2022'' or ''Series/ResidentEvil2022''. After the premiere was wildly well received by audiences and critics alike, many of these same fans were pleasantly surprised (though some had issues concerning the lore aspects).
** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "culture war youtubers" ([[AngryWhiteMan content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media]]) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned ''Halo'' TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller simply let their personal biases]] justify them giving the show a negative review. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.aspects).
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "culture war youtubers" ([[AngryWhiteMan content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media]]) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned ''Halo'' TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller simply let their personal biases]] justify them giving the show a negative review. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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* AngstAversion: Many within the ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' fandom reacted negatively to [[spoiler:the impact this series has had on a number of factions within the game; the NCR has been left in an unclear but worse state years after their last appearance, with Shady Sands being stated to have fallen in 2277 (with some accusations that it has decanonized ''New Vegas'' entirely as it was the same year that the First Battle for Hoover Dam took place, with Shady Sands and the NCR still being major players four years later which losing a capital city would certainly upend). Also, Mr. House was revealed to be one of the participants at Vault-Tec's meeting about the Vaults and instigating the Great War, while TheStinger of the finale shows that New Vegas itself has been abandoned or at least left in a ruined state of its own over a decade later, making any action the Courier took to help Vegas and the factions a case of AllForNothing. Some fans even went so far as to accuse Bethesda of [[ArmedWithCanon writing this into the series]] out of ''spite'', as part of a long-standing and repeatedly debunked conspiracy theory that Bethesda is bitter at the CultClassic status of ''New Vegas'']].
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* AngstAversion: Many within the ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' fandom reacted negatively to [[spoiler:the impact this series has had on a number of factions within the game; the NCR has been left in an unclear but worse state years after their last appearance, with Shady Sands being stated to have fallen in 2277 (with some accusations that it has decanonized ''New Vegas'' entirely as it was the same year that the First Battle for Hoover Dam took place, with Shady Sands and the NCR still being major players four years later which losing a capital city would certainly upend). Also, Mr. House was revealed to be one of the participants at Vault-Tec's meeting about the Vaults and instigating the Great War, while TheStinger of the finale shows that New Vegas itself has been abandoned or at least left in a ruined state of its own over a decade later, making any action the Courier took to help Vegas and the factions a case of AllForNothing. Some fans even went so far as to accuse Bethesda of [[ArmedWithCanon writing this into the series]] out of ''spite'', as part of ''spite''; there ''has'' been a long-standing and repeatedly debunked conspiracy theory that Bethesda is Bethesda's pretty bitter at about the CultClassic status of ''New Vegas'']].
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** Hank's decision to [[spoiler:nuke Shady Sands and destroy the NCR government]] is one that is of questionable motivation. [[spoiler:Did he do it because Vault-Tec ordered him to destroy a thriving government, because he was jealous of his wife's new companion that was taking his kids, or both?]]
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** Hank's decision to [[spoiler:nuke Shady Sands and destroy the NCR government]] is one that agreed upon to be evil, so the morality isn't in question; the real question is of questionable motivation. ''why'' the decision was made. [[spoiler:Did he do it because Vault-Tec ordered him to destroy a thriving government, because he was jealous of his wife's new companion that was taking his kids, or both?]]
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "[[AngryWhiteMan culture war youtubers]]" (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned Halo TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller let their personal biases justify them giving the show a negative review]]. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "[[AngryWhiteMan culture "culture war youtubers]]" (content youtubers" ([[AngryWhiteMan content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) media]]) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned Halo ''Halo'' TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller simply let their personal biases biases]] justify them giving the show a negative review]].review. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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* LesYay: Between Moldaver and [[spoiler:Lucy's mom Rose]]. Their relationship is not explicitly romantic but Moldaver's first remark [[spoiler:to Lucy is mentioning how much she looks like her mother. She keeps Rose's feral ghoul form alive and eats dinner with it. When she's fatally wounded, her last act is to sit next to Rose's corpse and hold her hand]].
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* LesYay: Between Moldaver and [[spoiler:Lucy's mom mother Rose]]. Their relationship is not explicitly romantic but Moldaver's first remark [[spoiler:to Lucy is mentioning how much she looks like her mother. She keeps Rose's feral ghoul form alive and eats dinner with it. When she's fatally wounded, her last act is to sit next to Rose's corpse and hold her hand]].
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "[[AngryWhiteMan culture war youtubers]]" (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned Halo TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller let their personal biases to justify them giving the show a negative review]]. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "[[AngryWhiteMan culture war youtubers]]" (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned Halo TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller let their personal biases to justify them giving the show a negative review]]. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "[[AngryWhiteMan culture war youtubers]]" (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned Halo TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) [[BiasSteamroller let their personal biases justify them giving the show a negative review]]. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "[[AngryWhiteMan culture war youtubers]]" (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned Halo TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) either used the vocal backlash against the handling of the NCR and (supposedly) Vegas or [[BiasSteamroller let their personal biases to justify them giving the show a negative review]]. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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* {{Adorkable}}:
** Lucy's [[WideEyedIdealist Wide-Eyed Idealism]], perkiness, and firm dedication [[NiceGirl to being a kind individual]] make her insanely endearing and sympathetic, ''especially'' as the show continues to put her through BreakTheCutie.
** Maximus has his moments as well, especially with his excitement when wearing the Power Armor for the first time and experiencing [[spoiler:[[MundaneLuxury life in a Vault]] for the first time ever.]]
** Lucy's [[WideEyedIdealist Wide-Eyed Idealism]], perkiness, and firm dedication [[NiceGirl to being a kind individual]] make her insanely endearing and sympathetic, ''especially'' as the show continues to put her through BreakTheCutie.
** Maximus has his moments as well, especially with his excitement when wearing the Power Armor for the first time and experiencing [[spoiler:[[MundaneLuxury life in a Vault]] for the first time ever.]]
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** How [[spoiler: complicit is [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas Mr. House]] in Vault-Tec's experiments and the events that led to the Great War? He's shown both not actively agreeing with Vault-Tec's plans and actively having doubts as to whether such an "investment" is worth the payoff. Plus, his personality in the game he debuts from [[PragmaticVillainy shows him as a lot more considerate and moderate]] when explaining his motivations than the other executives at the meeting were known for being in the lore adds more question to Mr. House's complicity to ending the world.]]
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** How [[spoiler: complicit [[spoiler:complicit is [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas Mr. House]] in Vault-Tec's experiments and the events that led to the Great War? He's shown both not actively agreeing with Vault-Tec's plans and actively having doubts as to whether such an "investment" is worth the payoff. Plus, his personality in the game he debuts from [[PragmaticVillainy shows him as a lot more considerate and moderate]] when explaining his motivations than the other executives at the meeting were known for being in the lore adds more question to Mr. House's complicity to ending the world.]]
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** [[spoiler: "Vault-Tec" caused the Great War. While not ruled out, it's simply shown that Vault-Tec, and a cabal of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corrupt corporate executives]] ''wanted'' it to happen, not that they did it. This would match with the ambiguously canon "Fallout Bibles", where the Enclave was said to have fully embraced nuclear war as a way to "wipe the slate clean" and "begin again"]].
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** [[spoiler: "Vault-Tec" [[spoiler:"Vault-Tec" caused the Great War. While not ruled out, it's simply shown that Vault-Tec, and a cabal of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corrupt corporate executives]] ''wanted'' it to happen, not that they did it. This would match with the ambiguously canon "Fallout Bibles", where the Enclave was said to have fully embraced nuclear war as a way to "wipe the slate clean" and "begin again"]].
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** [[spoiler: The situation of the NCR as a VestigialEmpire/rump state also has similarities to the NCR that would have been featured in "Van Buren", where it was also in rather moribund shape, though the circumstances were much different, with the NCR in "Van Buren" being a LostColony centered around Hoover Dam that had lost all contact with the core region, with the fate of the NCR being unknown]].
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** [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The situation of the NCR as a VestigialEmpire/rump state also has similarities to the NCR that would have been featured in "Van Buren", ''Van Buren'', where it was also in rather moribund shape, though the circumstances were much different, with the NCR in "Van Buren" ''Van Buren'' being a LostColony centered around Hoover Dam that had lost all contact with the core region, with the fate of the NCR proper being unknown]].
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "[[AngryWhiteMan culture war youtubers]]" (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned Halo TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) [[BiasSteamroller let their personal biases justify them giving the show a negative review]]. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "[[AngryWhiteMan culture war youtubers]]" (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists protagonists, claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned Halo TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) [[BiasSteamroller let their personal biases justify them giving the show a negative review]]. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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* CommonKnowledge: [[spoiler:New Vegas being in ruins and abandoned is something that many viewers extrapolated based on exactly ''one shot'' that shows the city dark in the distance... at dawn, when the lights would logically be shut off. While it is dark and partly damaged, there's nothing to indicate that New Vegas is so destroyed that the Courier's efforts were AllForNothing. Even if there is no power, an equally likely explanation could simply be that a recent attack robbed New Vegas of its electricity, and that the city is still functioning to a degree.]]
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** [[spoiler:New Vegas being in ruins and abandoned is something that many viewers extrapolated based on exactly ''one shot'' that shows the city dark in the distance... at dawn, when the lights would logically be shut off. While it is dark and partly damaged, there's nothing to indicate that New Vegas is so destroyed that the Courier's efforts were AllForNothing. Even if there is no power, an equally likely explanation could simply be that a recent attack robbed New Vegas of its electricity, and that the city is still functioning to a degree.]]]]
** [[spoiler: "Vault-Tec" caused the Great War. While not ruled out, it's simply shown that Vault-Tec, and a cabal of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corrupt corporate executives]] ''wanted'' it to happen, not that they did it. This would match with the ambiguously canon "Fallout Bibles", where the Enclave was said to have fully embraced nuclear war as a way to "wipe the slate clean" and "begin again"]].
** [[spoiler:New Vegas being in ruins and abandoned is something that many viewers extrapolated based on exactly ''one shot'' that shows the city dark in the distance... at dawn, when the lights would logically be shut off. While it is dark and partly damaged, there's nothing to indicate that New Vegas is so destroyed that the Courier's efforts were AllForNothing. Even if there is no power, an equally likely explanation could simply be that a recent attack robbed New Vegas of its electricity, and that the city is still functioning to a degree.
** [[spoiler: "Vault-Tec" caused the Great War. While not ruled out, it's simply shown that Vault-Tec, and a cabal of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corrupt corporate executives]] ''wanted'' it to happen, not that they did it. This would match with the ambiguously canon "Fallout Bibles", where the Enclave was said to have fully embraced nuclear war as a way to "wipe the slate clean" and "begin again"]].
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "[[AngryWhiteMan culture war youtubers]]" (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned Halo TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) [[BiasSteamroller let their personal biases justify them giving the show a negative review]]. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and, and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
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** To a lesser extent, a loud minority of "[[AngryWhiteMan culture war youtubers]]" (content creators known for exaggerated and inflammatory takes criticizing "forced diversity" in media) were quick to lambast the show leading up to the premiere due to its female and black protagonists claiming it would bomb as bad as ''Film/TheMarvels2023'' or the aforementioned Halo TV series, and that it will be universally loathed by ''everyone'', especially fans. When the show dropped and became highly praised by fans and regular viewers alike, most of this group quickly sung the series' praises, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm moved on to different media to criticize]], or (in more extreme cases) [[BiasSteamroller let their personal biases justify them giving the show a negative review]]. That being said... a portion of that small minority didn't even watch the show, and just confirmed their biases with a couple clips (namely, Titus running away from a bear being seen as an insult to the Brotherhood and, Brotherhood and Lucy and Max's "sex talk") without the context that explain what is happening in these scenes.
