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* DracoInLeatherPants:
** ''Reaver''. Some fans like to portray him as a {{Woobie}} who cries nightly over what he's done, or that he has been abused in the past to excuse his awful behaviour. He's often in love with the Hero of Bowerstone, but sees himself as a monster. [[spoiler: Granted some of Reaver's diaries imply that he might feel guilty about what he did to Oakvale, but he also claims that he's no longer that man.]]
** ''Reaver''. Some fans like to portray him as a {{Woobie}} who cries nightly over what he's done, or that he has been abused in the past to excuse his awful behaviour. He's often in love with the Hero of Bowerstone, but sees himself as a monster. [[spoiler: Granted some of Reaver's diaries imply that he might feel guilty about what he did to Oakvale, but he also claims that he's no longer that man.]]
* EvenBetterSequel:
** Many consider ''Fable II'' to be the best game in the series. It streamlined the best features of ''VideoGame/FableI'' but kept the same charm and humour. The graphics are improved, the battle system is a lot more fluid, and there is much more of Albion to explore. The addition of a dog companion was also extremely well received.
** Many consider ''Fable II'' to be the best game in the series. It streamlined the best features of ''VideoGame/FableI'' but kept the same charm and humour. The graphics are improved, the battle system is a lot more fluid, and there is much more of Albion to explore. The addition of a dog companion was also extremely well received.
* FanficFuel:
** What happened to [[spoiler: Theresa between the events of ''Fable I'' and ''Fable II'' and how she effectively became immortal.]]
** Reaver's backstory [[spoiler: post Oakvale and before the events of ''Fable II''.]]
** What happened to [[spoiler: Theresa between the events of ''Fable I'' and ''Fable II'' and how she effectively became immortal.]]
** Reaver's backstory [[spoiler: post Oakvale and before the events of ''Fable II''.]]
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** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small area.
* HellIsThatNoise:
** The soft ''whoosh'' noise that wisps make when they enter the ground to revive skeletons into Hollowmen. Quickly followed by undead growls.
* KarmaHoudini:
** Reaver. He gets away with all of the awful things that he does, and nothing bad ever happens to him in return. [[spoiler: You could argue that losing his hometown of Oakvale was a sort of punishment, but {{YMMV}} on how it effects him in his later life.]]
** The soft ''whoosh'' noise that wisps make when they enter the ground to revive skeletons into Hollowmen. Quickly followed by undead growls.
* KarmaHoudini:
** Reaver. He gets away with all of the awful things that he does, and nothing bad ever happens to him in return. [[spoiler: You could argue that losing his hometown of Oakvale was a sort of punishment, but {{YMMV}} on how it effects him in his later life.]]
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The Gargoyle's TrashTalk:
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: MostWonderfulSound:
** TheGargoyle's TrashTalk:
-->'''Gargoyle''': Hey, Hero! I gotcrack of stone when you shoot a quest for ya--kiss my ass!taunting Gargoyle in the face.
** The bark of your dog, since it usually means he's found some treasure or a dig spot.
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** The bark of your dog, since it usually means he's found some treasure or a dig spot.
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* ThatOneBoss:
** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small area.
* TheScrappy:
** Sam and Max aren't well liked because their sidequests include them doing something stupid, and the Hero having to clean up after them. They're never all that grateful when you save them, either, and their supposed humour is hit and miss for most players. [[spoiler: They return in ''VideoGame/FableIII'' from the ''grave'' to screw things over for the Hero of Brightwall too.]]
** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small area.
* TheScrappy:
** Sam and Max aren't well liked because their sidequests include them doing something stupid, and the Hero having to clean up after them. They're never all that grateful when you save them, either, and their supposed humour is hit and miss for most players. [[spoiler: They return in ''VideoGame/FableIII'' from the ''grave'' to screw things over for the Hero of Brightwall too.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Reaver. In the [[VideoGame/FableII second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice and was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[VideoGame/FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.
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* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster:
** Reaver. In the [[VideoGame/FableII second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice and was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[VideoGame/FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for awhorehouse.whorehouse.
* EnsembleDarkhorse
** Barnum is well liked for his single minded determination, his somewhat shady ideas, and his surprisingly good inventions. He's also very funny, and is unfailingly kind towards the player [[spoiler: and keeps his word when it comes to giving them gold for posing for a photograph in their childhood, and improving Westcliff if you loan him some start up gold; which he returns ''with'' interest. Unfortunately Reaver kills him when Barnum mentions it will take time for his photograph to develop, something even the more devoted Reaver fans were upset about.]]
* EvilIsCool:
** Reaver is an incredibly popular character [[spoiler: which is why he was bought back for ''Fable III''.]]
** Reaver. In the [[VideoGame/FableII second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice and was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[VideoGame/FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a
* EnsembleDarkhorse
** Barnum is well liked for his single minded determination, his somewhat shady ideas, and his surprisingly good inventions. He's also very funny, and is unfailingly kind towards the player [[spoiler: and keeps his word when it comes to giving them gold for posing for a photograph in their childhood, and improving Westcliff if you loan him some start up gold; which he returns ''with'' interest. Unfortunately Reaver kills him when Barnum mentions it will take time for his photograph to develop, something even the more devoted Reaver fans were upset about.]]
* EvilIsCool:
** Reaver is an incredibly popular character [[spoiler: which is why he was bought back for ''Fable III''.]]
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* FoeYay:
** Reaver/The Hero of Bowerstone is easily the most popular ship in the fandom, regardless of gender. It's fueled by the fact Reaver does somewhat flirt with the Hero in game.
** Reaver/Garth is also quite popular. [[spoiler: Enough that you can find a ''book'' about it in Fable III, written by an [[TakeThat obsessed fangirl.]]]]
** The Hero of Bowerstone/The Commandant has a small but dedicated following.
* GoddamnedBats:
** Hollowmen. They attack in large numbers and they are absolutely ''everywhere'' that resembles a tomb.
** Reaver/The Hero of Bowerstone is easily the most popular ship in the fandom, regardless of gender. It's fueled by the fact Reaver does somewhat flirt with the Hero in game.
** Reaver/Garth is also quite popular. [[spoiler: Enough that you can find a ''book'' about it in Fable III, written by an [[TakeThat obsessed fangirl.]]]]
** The Hero of Bowerstone/The Commandant has a small but dedicated following.
* GoddamnedBats:
** Hollowmen. They attack in large numbers and they are absolutely ''everywhere'' that resembles a tomb.
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* GoodBadBugs:
** There's a house in Bowerstone Market called 'Monster Manor' which temporarily gives your character an extra star in Pysique if you sleep there. However, unlike in other houses with the Bodybuilder bonus, you can infinitely 'unlearn' the ability to get free experience points. You can max our your Hero's stats in under an hour using this method.
* MagnificentBastard:
** ''Reaver''. He's handsome, charming, and [[spoiler: tries to trick the Hero into losing their youth the moment he meets them. He destroyed his hometown so he can achieve eternal youth, shoots a sculptor for not getting his buttocks right, kills Barnum because photographs take time to develop, and can kill Lucien before the Hero gets a chance to if you aren't quick enough.]]
** There's a house in Bowerstone Market called 'Monster Manor' which temporarily gives your character an extra star in Pysique if you sleep there. However, unlike in other houses with the Bodybuilder bonus, you can infinitely 'unlearn' the ability to get free experience points. You can max our your Hero's stats in under an hour using this method.
* MagnificentBastard:
** ''Reaver''. He's handsome, charming, and [[spoiler: tries to trick the Hero into losing their youth the moment he meets them. He destroyed his hometown so he can achieve eternal youth, shoots a sculptor for not getting his buttocks right, kills Barnum because photographs take time to develop, and can kill Lucien before the Hero gets a chance to if you aren't quick enough.]]
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than''VideoGame/FableI'' and is regarded as being better than ''VideoGame/FableIII''.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than''VideoGame/FableI'' than ''VideoGame/FableI'' and is regarded as being better than ''VideoGame/FableIII''.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than the ''VideoGame/FableI'' than''VideoGame/FableI'' and is regarded as being better than ''VideoGame/FableIII''.
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** Farmer Giles has his wife murdered by Ripper, just because they found out about his gang being crossdressers.
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** Farmer Giles has his wife murdered by Ripper, just because they found out about his gang being crossdressers.crossdressers.
** Rose. She struggles to look after Sparrow while living on the streets and is propositioned despite being in her mid teens at the most. Then, when she thinks that they're going to get to live in Fairfax Castle, she's shot and killed in cold blood. [[spoiler: If the Banshees are telling the truth, Rose also didn't die right away from the first shot. She had to listen as her younger sibling was shot out of the window, heard their body hit the ground, and ''cried'' before Lucien finished her off with a final shot.]]
** Rose. She struggles to look after Sparrow while living on the streets and is propositioned despite being in her mid teens at the most. Then, when she thinks that they're going to get to live in Fairfax Castle, she's shot and killed in cold blood. [[spoiler: If the Banshees are telling the truth, Rose also didn't die right away from the first shot. She had to listen as her younger sibling was shot out of the window, heard their body hit the ground, and ''cried'' before Lucien finished her off with a final shot.]]
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** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small arena.
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** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small arena.area.
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** [[spoiler: Reaver tricks the Hero into taking the Dark Seal to the Shadow Court, where they'll RapidlyAge in order to 'top up' Reaver's eternal youth. However the Hero meets an innocent girl there, and has the option to give the Dark Seal to her instead. Interestingly enough, Theresa will admit that it was a difficult choice if the Hero chooses to let the girl age instead of them.]]
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** [[spoiler: Reaver tricks the Hero into taking the Dark Seal to the Shadow Court, where they'll RapidlyAge [[RapidAging rapidly age]] in order to 'top up' Reaver's eternal youth. However the Hero meets an innocent girl there, and has the option to give the Dark Seal to her instead. Interestingly enough, Theresa will admit that it was a difficult choice if the Hero chooses to let the girl age instead of them.]]
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than the original ''VideoGame/FableI'' and is regarded as being better than Fable III.''VideoGame/FableIII''.
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* EvilIsSexy: Sparrow as [[LawfulEvil Fanatic.]]
* GoddamnedBoss: Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and each one is destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:The original Commandant ordering you to kill Bob, the poor guard. This is after the Commandant's methods have reduced Bob to a gibbering wreck.]]
* MostAnnoyingSound: "Oh, please, great hero. May I have your autograph?"
* GoddamnedBoss: Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and each one is destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:The original Commandant ordering you to kill Bob, the poor guard. This is after the Commandant's methods have reduced Bob to a gibbering wreck.]]
* MostAnnoyingSound: "Oh, please, great hero. May I have your autograph?"
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* EvilIsSexy: EvilIsSexy:
** Sparrow as [[LawfulEvil Fanatic.]]
** Reaver.
*GoddamnedBoss: GoddamnedBoss:
** Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and each one is destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small arena.
*MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
** [[spoiler:The original Commandant ordering you to kill Bob, the poor guard. This is after the Commandant's methods have reduced Bob to a gibbering wreck.]]
** [[spoiler: Reaver tricks the Hero into taking the Dark Seal to the Shadow Court, where they'll RapidlyAge in order to 'top up' Reaver's eternal youth. However the Hero meets an innocent girl there, and has the option to give the Dark Seal to her instead. Interestingly enough, Theresa will admit that it was a difficult choice if the Hero chooses to let the girl age instead of them.]]
*MostAnnoyingSound: MostAnnoyingSound:
** "Oh, please, great hero. May I have yourautograph?"autograph?"
** "I'm a good widdle boy!"
** Sparrow as [[LawfulEvil Fanatic.]]
** Reaver.
*
** Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and each one is destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small arena.
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** [[spoiler:The original Commandant ordering you to kill Bob, the poor guard. This is after the Commandant's methods have reduced Bob to a gibbering wreck.]]
** [[spoiler: Reaver tricks the Hero into taking the Dark Seal to the Shadow Court, where they'll RapidlyAge in order to 'top up' Reaver's eternal youth. However the Hero meets an innocent girl there, and has the option to give the Dark Seal to her instead. Interestingly enough, Theresa will admit that it was a difficult choice if the Hero chooses to let the girl age instead of them.]]
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** "Oh, please, great hero. May I have your
** "I'm a good widdle boy!"
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* PlayerPunch: Towards the end, it starts to seem like Lucien is spending his off hours thinking up new ways to piss your character off.
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* PlayerPunch: PlayerPunch:
** Towards the end, it starts to seem like Lucien is spending his off hours thinking up new ways to piss your characteroff.off. [[spoiler: Especially when he shoots your dog.]]
** Towards the end, it starts to seem like Lucien is spending his off hours thinking up new ways to piss your character
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* TheWoobie: Any player character is set to lose their sister [[spoiler:and their dog]] regardless of how you play. This can be taken UpToEleven if [[spoiler:you have a family, as Lucien will kill them himself]].
* TheWoobie: Any player character is set to lose their sister [[spoiler:and their dog]] regardless of how you play. This can be taken UpToEleven if [[spoiler:you have a family, as Lucien will kill them himself]].
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original and is regarded as being better than Fable III.
*TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
** Any player character is set to lose their sister [[spoiler:and their dog]] regardless of how you play. This can be taken UpToEleven if [[spoiler:you have a family, as Lucien will kill them himself]].
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** Any player character is set to lose their sister [[spoiler:and their dog]] regardless of how you play. This can be taken UpToEleven if [[spoiler:you have a family, as Lucien will kill them himself]].
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* ValuesDissonance: The Blind Date quest may be that to homophobic players, given that [[spoiler: setting up Rupert with a gay man rewards you with Good points and setting him up with a woman rewards you with Evil points]].
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* UnfortunateImplications: If Sparrow is both good and pure, their hair will turn blonde, their eyes blue, and their skin pale. Contrast with becoming evil and corrupt, where they'll turn into a dark-skinned, dark-haired literal demon figure.
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler: You don't battle Lucien, and you may not even get him to kill him yourself if you listen to him [[VillainousBreakdown rant]] for too long.]]
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler: You don't battle Lucien, and you may not even get him to kill him yourself if you listen to him [[VillainousBreakdown rant]] for too long.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: If Sparrow is both good and pure, their hair will turn blonde, their eyes blue, and their skin pale. Contrast with becoming evil and corrupt, where they'll turn into a dark-skinned, dark-haired literal demon figure.
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* ValuesDissonance: The Blind Date quest may be that to some reactionary players, given that [[spoiler: setting up Rupert with a gay man rewards you with Good points and setting him up with a woman rewards you with Evil points]].
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* ValuesDissonance: The Blind Date quest may be that to some reactionary homophobic players, given that [[spoiler: setting up Rupert with a gay man rewards you with Good points and setting him up with a woman rewards you with Evil points]].
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* HarsherInHindsight: [[{{Cupcakes}} Insatiable Butcher Pink]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: In most of Albion, only villagers with the "Flirt" and "Unchaste" traits will agree to extramarital sex. Bisexual villagers are more likely to have said traits.
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* CompleteMonster: Reaver. In the [[VideoGame/FableII second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice, was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[VideoGame/FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.
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* CompleteMonster: Reaver. In the [[VideoGame/FableII second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice, twice and was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[VideoGame/FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.
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* CompleteMonster: Reaver. In the [[Fable II second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice, was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.
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* CompleteMonster: Reaver. In the [[Fable II [[VideoGame/FableII second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice, was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[FableIII [[VideoGame/FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.
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* CompleteMonster:
** Lucien's experiment the Commandant is a sadistic bastard. He introduces himself by stating he has broken 272 men beforehand, proud of this. He then makes sure Lucien's prisoners are starved and makes you kill your only friend there. It feels so satisfying to kill him after this, but this is ruined by the revelation that he is not the only one of his kind. Bonus monster points to Lucien for making this guy.
** Reaver. In the second game he manages to double cross the main character at least twice, was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the third game he controls the Bowerstone industrial sector, which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.
** Lucien's experiment the Commandant is a sadistic bastard. He introduces himself by stating he has broken 272 men beforehand, proud of this. He then makes sure Lucien's prisoners are starved and makes you kill your only friend there. It feels so satisfying to kill him after this, but this is ruined by the revelation that he is not the only one of his kind. Bonus monster points to Lucien for making this guy.
** Reaver. In the second game he manages to double cross the main character at least twice, was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the third game he controls the Bowerstone industrial sector, which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.
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* CompleteMonster:
** Lucien's experiment the Commandant is a sadistic bastard. He introduces himself by stating he has broken 272 men beforehand, proud of this. He then makes sure Lucien's prisoners are starved and makes you kill your only friend there. It feels so satisfying to kill him after this, but this is ruined by the revelation that he is not the only one of his kind. Bonus monster points to Lucien for making this guy.
**CompleteMonster: Reaver. In the [[Fable II second game game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice, was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[FableIII third game game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector, sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.
** Lucien's experiment the Commandant is a sadistic bastard. He introduces himself by stating he has broken 272 men beforehand, proud of this. He then makes sure Lucien's prisoners are starved and makes you kill your only friend there. It feels so satisfying to kill him after this, but this is ruined by the revelation that he is not the only one of his kind. Bonus monster points to Lucien for making this guy.
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** And Lucien's experiment the Commandant is a sadistic bastard. He introduces himself by stating he has broken 272 men beforehand, proud of this. He then makes sure Lucien's prisoners are starved and makes you kill your only friend there. It feels so satisfying to kill him after this, but this is ruined by the revelation that he is not the only one of his kind. Bonus monster points to Lucien for making this guy.
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** And Lucien's experiment the Commandant is a sadistic bastard. He introduces himself by stating he has broken 272 men beforehand, proud of this. He then makes sure Lucien's prisoners are starved and makes you kill your only friend there. It feels so satisfying to kill him after this, but this is ruined by the revelation that he is not the only one of his kind. Bonus monster points to Lucien for making this guy.
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** And of course Lucien's experiment the Commandant is a sadistic bastard. He introduces himself by stating he has broken 272 men beforehand, proud of this. He then makes sure Lucien's prisoners are starved and makes you kill your only friend there. It feels so satisfying to kill him after this, but this is ruined by the revelation that he is not the only one of his kind. Bonus monster points to Lucien for making this guy.
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** And of course Lucien's experiment the Commandant is a sadistic bastard. He introduces himself by stating he has broken 272 men beforehand, proud of this. He then makes sure Lucien's prisoners are starved and makes you kill your only friend there. It feels so satisfying to kill him after this, but this is ruined by the revelation that he is not the only one of his kind. Bonus monster points to Lucien for making this guy.
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** Lord Lucien shoots two children in cold blood in his first appearance, employs forced labor on a grand scale, and kills the Hero's family and dog at the end. He expresses remorse and reservations early on, but this rings hollow as he doesn't look for alternatives. While driven mad by his loss of his wife and daughter, he has no respect of the life of others, increasingly so as the game wears on. He considers himself a WellIntentionedExtremist, but his FreudianExcuse does not excuse his actions.
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** Lord Lucien shoots and kills your sister in the beginning while you were children, before shooting you out the tower's window. He then works the kingdom to death to build a magical spire that would grant him his dark wish to purify the land. While driven mad by his loss of his wife and daughter, he has no respect of the life of others, increasingly so as the game wears on. While he is a WellIntentionedExtremist for the most part in the beginning, his actions hardly excuse his FreudianExcuse and fits the definition of a Complete Monster, clearly fitting the trope by the game's end through MotiveDecay. He also will murder the hero's family if he or she has one, telling the hero about it cold fashion, even gleefully. And finally, he shoots your loyal dog.
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** Lord Lucien shoots two children in cold blood in his first appearance, employs forced labor on a grand scale, and kills your sister in the beginning while you were children, before shooting you out Hero's family and dog at the tower's window. end. He then works the kingdom to death to build a magical spire that would grant him his dark wish to purify the land. expresses remorse and reservations early on, but this rings hollow as he doesn't look for alternatives. While driven mad by his loss of his wife and daughter, he has no respect of the life of others, increasingly so as the game wears on. While he is on. He considers himself a WellIntentionedExtremist for the most part in the beginning, his actions hardly excuse his WellIntentionedExtremist, but his FreudianExcuse and fits the definition of a Complete Monster, clearly fitting the trope by the game's end through MotiveDecay. He also will murder the hero's family if he or she has one, telling the hero about it cold fashion, even gleefully. And finally, he shoots your loyal dog.does not excuse his actions.
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* GoddamnedBoss: Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and they're destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
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* GoddamnedBoss: Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and they're each one is destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
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* GoddamnedBoss: Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and they're destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
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* MostAnnoyingSound: "Oh, please, great hero. May I have your autograph?"
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* CompleteMonster: The Commandant. Full stop. In charge of indoctrinating recruits into the Spire Guards, he keeps you as a prisoner for 10 years of your life while regularly forcing you to perform horrible acts. If you refuse, he electrocutes you with your taser collar then beats you senseless while forcing you to thank him for doing so. If you comply, he beats you senseless while forcing you to thank him for doing so. Yeah.
** And, after 10 years of imprisonment, when you finally get the pleasure of killing the bastard, you learn there are thousands of them out there. Lucien gets an honorable mention just for making all those damn Commandants.
** Reaver is one, as finding his journal reveals [[spoiler: that he is responsible for what happened to Oakvale. And you, or a random girl (who NEVER says "Thank you for not trading away my youth")]].
** And, after 10 years of imprisonment, when you finally get the pleasure of killing the bastard, you learn there are thousands of them out there. Lucien gets an honorable mention just for making all those damn Commandants.
** Reaver is one, as finding his journal reveals [[spoiler: that he is responsible for what happened to Oakvale. And you, or a random girl (who NEVER says "Thank you for not trading away my youth")]].
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* CompleteMonster: The Commandant. Full stop. In charge of indoctrinating recruits into the Spire Guards, he keeps you as a prisoner for 10 years of CompleteMonster:
**Lord Lucien shoots and kills yourlife sister in the beginning while regularly forcing you to perform horrible acts. If were children, before shooting you refuse, out the tower's window. He then works the kingdom to death to build a magical spire that would grant him his dark wish to purify the land. While driven mad by his loss of his wife and daughter, he electrocutes you with has no respect of the life of others, increasingly so as the game wears on. While he is a WellIntentionedExtremist for the most part in the beginning, his actions hardly excuse his FreudianExcuse and fits the definition of a Complete Monster, clearly fitting the trope by the game's end through MotiveDecay. He also will murder the hero's family if he or she has one, telling the hero about it cold fashion, even gleefully. And finally, he shoots your taser collar loyal dog.
** And of course Lucien's experiment the Commandant is a sadistic bastard. He introduces himself by stating he has broken 272 men beforehand, proud of this. He thenbeats makes sure Lucien's prisoners are starved and makes you senseless while forcing you to thank him for doing so. If you comply, he beats you senseless while forcing you to thank him for doing so. Yeah.
** And, after 10 years of imprisonment, when you finally get the pleasure of killing the bastard, you learn there are thousands of them outkill your only friend there. It feels so satisfying to kill him after this, but this is ruined by the revelation that he is not the only one of his kind. Bonus monster points to Lucien gets an honorable mention just for making all those damn Commandants.
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**Reaver is one, as finding his journal reveals [[spoiler: that Reaver. In the second game he is manages to double cross the main character at least twice, was revealed to be the person responsible for what happened [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the third game he controls the Bowerstone industrial sector, which he forces children to Oakvale. And you, work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a random girl (who NEVER says "Thank you school to make room for not trading away my youth")]].a whorehouse.
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:The original Commandant ordering you to kill Bob, the poor guard.]]
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** The Spire can also be an example. If you had a family before getting on the ship, you won't get to see them again for ten years.
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* UnfortunateImplications: In most of Albion, only villagers with the "Flirt" and "Unchaste" traits will agree to extramarital sex. Bisexual villagers are more likely to have said traits.
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* CompleteMonster: The Commandant. Full stop. In charge of indoctrinating recruits into the Spire Guards, he basically keeps you as a prisoner for 10 years of your life while regularly forcing you to perform horrible acts. If you refuse, he electrocutes you with your taser collar then beats you senseless while forcing you to thank him for doing so. If you comply, he beats you senseless while forcing you to thank him for doing so. Yeah.
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* CompleteMonster: The Commandant. Full stop. In charge of indoctrinating recruits into the Spire Guards, he basically keeps you as a prisoner for 10 years of your life while regularly forcing you to perform horrible acts. If you refuse, he electrocutes you with your taser collar then beats you senseless while forcing you to thank him for doing so. If you comply, he beats you senseless while forcing you to thank him for doing so. Yeah.
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* HarserInHindsight: [[{{Cupcakes}} Insatiable Butcher Pink]]
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* HarserInHindsight: [[{{Cupcakes}} Insatiable Butcher Pink]]
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Just bugged me. I think this word is more neutral and less likely to offend conservatives.
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* ValuesDissonance: The Blind Date quest may be that to some conservative players, given that [[spoiler: setting up Rupert with a gay man rewards you with Good points and setting him up with a woman rewards you with Evil points]].
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* ValuesDissonance: The Blind Date quest may be that to some conservative reactionary players, given that [[spoiler: setting up Rupert with a gay man rewards you with Good points and setting him up with a woman rewards you with Evil points]].
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* ValuesDissonance: The Blind Date quest may be that to some conservative players, given that [[spoiler: setting up Rupert with a gay man rewards you with Good points and setting him up with a woman rewards you with Evil points]].
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* ValuesDissonance: The Blind Date quest may be that to some conservative players, given that [[spoiler: setting up Rupert with a gay man rewards you with Good points and setting him up with a woman rewards you with Evil points]].points]].
* TheWoobie: Any player character is set to lose their sister [[spoiler:and their dog]] regardless of how you play. This can be taken UpToEleven if [[spoiler:you have a family, as Lucien will kill them himself]].
** Farmer Giles has his wife murdered by Ripper, just because they found out about his gang being crossdressers.
* TheWoobie: Any player character is set to lose their sister [[spoiler:and their dog]] regardless of how you play. This can be taken UpToEleven if [[spoiler:you have a family, as Lucien will kill them himself]].
** Farmer Giles has his wife murdered by Ripper, just because they found out about his gang being crossdressers.
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* CompleteMonster: The Commandant. Full stop. In charge of indoctrinating recruits into the Spire Guards, he basically keeps you as a prisoner for 10 years of your life while regularly forcing you to perform horrible acts. If you refuse, he electrocutes you with your taser collar then beats you senseless while forcing you to thank him for doing so. If you comply, he beats you senseless while forcing you to thank him for doing so. Yeah.
** And, after 10 years of imprisonment, when you finally get the pleasure of killing the bastard, you learn there are thousands of them out there. Lucien gets an honorable mention just for making all those damn Commandants.
** Reaver is one, as finding his journal reveals [[spoiler: that he is responsible for what happened to Oakvale. And you, or a random girl (who NEVER says "Thank you for not trading away my youth")]].
** And, after 10 years of imprisonment, when you finally get the pleasure of killing the bastard, you learn there are thousands of them out there. Lucien gets an honorable mention just for making all those damn Commandants.
** Reaver is one, as finding his journal reveals [[spoiler: that he is responsible for what happened to Oakvale. And you, or a random girl (who NEVER says "Thank you for not trading away my youth")]].
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-->'''Gargoyle''': Hey, Hero! I got a quest for ya--kiss my ass!
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-->'''Gargoyle''': Hey, Hero! I got a quest for ya--kiss my ass!ass!
* PlayerPunch: Towards the end, it starts to seem like Lucien is spending his off hours thinking up new ways to piss your character off.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than the original.
* ValuesDissonance: The Blind Date quest may be that to some conservative players, given that [[spoiler: setting up Rupert with a gay man rewards you with Good points and setting him up with a woman rewards you with Evil points]].
* PlayerPunch: Towards the end, it starts to seem like Lucien is spending his off hours thinking up new ways to piss your character off.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than the original.
* ValuesDissonance: The Blind Date quest may be that to some conservative players, given that [[spoiler: setting up Rupert with a gay man rewards you with Good points and setting him up with a woman rewards you with Evil points]].
