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** Sly Stallone expressing that he knew people were disappointed by the third movie and promised the fourth one would be better. Despite going back to the R-rating as promised, it very much was not, being a critical and commercial failure due to not only the writers' strike of 2023, but just general lack of interest from the public.

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** Sly Stallone expressing that he knew people were disappointed by the third movie and promised the fourth one would be better. Despite going back to the R-rating as promised, it very much was not, being a critical and commercial failure due to not only the TroubledProduction from the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic and later the writers' strike of 2023, but just general lack of interest from the public. public.
* KarmicOverkill: [[spoiler:How some viewed Jumbo Shrimp’s death. Yes, he was certainly a {{Jerkass}} towards Barney and Christmas for refusing to give the former his ring back, but there are those who thought Barney using him as a body double when [[TheHeavy Rahmat]] shot his plane down came off as rather [[DisproportionateRetribution disproportionate]] for an AssholeVictim like him.]]
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** Sly Stallone expressing that he knew people were disappointed by the third movie and promised the fourth one would be better. It very much was not, being a critical and commercial failure due to not only the writers' strike of 2023, but just general lack of interest from the public.

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** Sly Stallone expressing that he knew people were disappointed by the third movie and promised the fourth one would be better. It Despite going back to the R-rating as promised, it very much was not, being a critical and commercial failure due to not only the writers' strike of 2023, but just general lack of interest from the public.
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** Sly Stallone expressing that he knew people were disappointed by the third movie and promised the fourth one would be better. It very much was not, being a critical and commercial failure due to not only the writers' strike of 2023, but just general lack of interest from the public.
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I think those tropes are a bit controversial anyway.


* CharacterDerailment: Barney was never a good guy, but he at least was your typical anti-hero who generally tries to have some standards. What he does to Jumbo Shrimp is most definitely being viewed as a full on derailment of his character since he lost the ring fair and square, but seemed to feel like he deserved to get revenge by ''killing'' Jumbo Shrimp. Even in a setting that is all about grey area, it paints him in an incredibly unfavorable light.



* VanityProject: The movie bombed for several reasons--Stallone being a glorified extra, most of the Expendables from previous movies not returning, the ludicrous plot with a CaptainObviousReveal, bad writing, forgettable stunts, and of course, COVID and the 2023 Writer's and Actor's strike (which means the movie couldn't be promoted by its writers or actors until the strike ended in the fall)--but one of the biggest reasons is that the general public had gotten tired of the Expendables by about the third film (proven by it being the lowest grossing film in the franchise before this one), so pushing to make this one when the nostalgia and novelty already wore off makes this film come across as nothing more than a vanity project. It gives off the air that Stallone and the others just insisted on making another one when the audience's interest simply wasn't there, and given the movie's terrible box office and savage reviews, it's very likely this truly was a vanity project.
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Being delayed by COVID should also be a major factor as to why the movie took so long to get made.


* VanityProject: The movie bombed for several reasons--Stallone being a glorified extra, most of the Expendables from previous movies not returning, the ludicrous plot with a CaptainObviousReveal, bad writing, forgettable stunts, and of course the 2023 Writer's and Actor's strike (which means the movie couldn't be promoted by its writers or actors until the strike ended in the fall)--but one of the biggest reasons is that the general public had gotten tired of the Expendables by about the third film (proven by it being the lowest grossing film in the franchise before this one), so pushing to make this one when the nostalgia and novelty already wore off makes this film come across as nothing more than a vanity project. It gives off the air that Stallone and the others just insisted on making another one when the audience's interest simply wasn't there, and given the movie's terrible box office and savage reviews, it's very likely this truly was a vanity project.

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* VanityProject: The movie bombed for several reasons--Stallone being a glorified extra, most of the Expendables from previous movies not returning, the ludicrous plot with a CaptainObviousReveal, bad writing, forgettable stunts, and of course course, COVID and the 2023 Writer's and Actor's strike (which means the movie couldn't be promoted by its writers or actors until the strike ended in the fall)--but one of the biggest reasons is that the general public had gotten tired of the Expendables by about the third film (proven by it being the lowest grossing film in the franchise before this one), so pushing to make this one when the nostalgia and novelty already wore off makes this film come across as nothing more than a vanity project. It gives off the air that Stallone and the others just insisted on making another one when the audience's interest simply wasn't there, and given the movie's terrible box office and savage reviews, it's very likely this truly was a vanity project.
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* CharacterDerailment: Barney was never a good guy, but he at least was your typical anti-hero who generally tries to have some standards. What he does to Jumbo Shrimp is most definitely being viewed as a full on derailment of his character since he lost the ring fair and square, but seemed to feel like he deserved to get revenge by ''killing'' Jumbo Shrimp. Even in a setting that is all about grey area, it paints him in an incredibly unfavorable light.
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* VanityProject: The movie bombed for several reasons--Stallone being a glorified extra, most of the Expendables from previous movies not returning, the ludicrous plot with a CaptainObviousReveal, bad writing, forgettable stunts, and of course the 2023 Writer's and Actor's strike (which means the movie couldn't be promoted by its writers or actors until the strike ended in the fall)--but one of the biggest reasons is that the general public had gotten tired of the Expendables by about the third film (proven by it being the lowest grossing film in the franchise before this one), so pushing to make this one when the nostalgia and novelty already wore off makes this film come across as nothing more than a vanity project. It gives off the air that Stallone and the others just insisted on making another one when the audience's interest simply wasn't there, and given the movie's terrible box office and savage reviews, it's very likely this truly was a vanity project.
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* HarsherInHindsight: During the final battle, Rahmat mockingly tells Russo that "it's her call whether the Expendables need to live up to their namesake or not". After the movie bombed, [[ReviewIronicEcho a lot of the bad reviews dismissed this as "expendable"]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: During the final battle, Rahmat mockingly tells Russo that "it's her call whether the Expendables need to live up to their namesake or not". After the movie bombed, [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed]], [[ReviewIronicEcho a lot of the bad reviews dismissed this as "expendable"]].
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* HarsherInHindsight: During the final battle, Rahmat mockingly tells Russo that "it's her call whether the Expendables need to live up to their namesake or not". After the movie bombed, [[ReviewIronicEcho a lot of the bad reviews dismissed this as "expendable"]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: Rahmat crosses it by killing a Libyan general's family even after the general surrenders the nuclear weapon to him.

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Rahmat crosses it by killing a Libyan general's family even after the general surrenders the nuclear weapon to him.him.
** [[spoiler:Marsh]] throwing the kill switch to his nuke into the ocean to start WorldWarIII and frame the Expendables for it. He also [[BadBoss shoots one of his own men]] when they object that the bomb will go off if they don't escape the ship.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Rahmat crosses it by killing a Libyan general's family even after the general surrenders the nuclear weapon to him.

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* CompleteMonster:
** [[spoiler:[[MoleInCharge Marsh]] is a CIA officer who is the true identity of Ocelot, the man who sabotaged Barney Ross's mission 25 years prior, resulting in the deaths of nearly all of Ross's men. In the present day, [[TheManBehindTheMan Marsh hires Suarto Rahmat]] to steal a nuclear weapon, which he plans to set off near Russia, resulting in WorldWarIII, all so [[WarForFunAndProfit he can profit]]. Marsh removes Lee Christmas from the mission; makes it so the other Expendables are captured; fatally shoots one of his own men for questioning him; arranges for himself to be "[[FakedKidnapping captured]]" by Rahmat so that his former partner can be exchanged--allowing Marsh to kill said partner--and, finally, when he and Christmas remain, offers a fair fight before pulling a gun and attempting to kill Christmas.]]
** [[TheHeavy Suarto Rahmat]] is a cheerfully sadistic ArmsDealer who has been [[PsychoForHire hired]] for Ocelot's plan for global catastrophe. Raiding a Libyan general's compound to [[EmptyQuiver acquire a nuclear bomb]], Rahmat has all the guards within slaughtered. After killing the General's wife, Rahmat holds his young son as a bargaining chip for the nuke, casually killing him when the general complies anyway. Having the nuke placed onto his ship, Rahmat has his boat travel to Russia to detonate it and trigger WorldWarIII.
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Come on now, did you ''really'' think [[spoiler:Barney was going to kick the bucket]]?

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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Come on now, did you ''really'' think [[spoiler:Barney was going to kick the bucket]]?bucket]]?
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I clearly saw Christmas stab Rahmat in the chest with a tomahawk, then kicked it even further to avenge Barney. There's no way he could be coming back from that.


* HesJustHiding: Some people believe Rahmat never truly died in his fight with Christmas.
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* EndingFatigue: No one expected the battle on Rahmat's ship was going to take up the bulk of the film, taking about ''50 minutes'' to slog through. And just when you thought it'd be over after Rahmat dies, [[spoiler:he reveals he never had the kill switch, but his client did, and that's when Marsh steps in to reveal his true status as the BigBad.]]

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* EndingFatigue: No one expected the battle on Rahmat's ship was going to take up the bulk of the film, taking about ''50 ''55 minutes'' to slog through. And just when you thought it'd be over after Rahmat dies, [[spoiler:he reveals he never had the kill switch, but his client did, and that's when Marsh steps in to reveal his true status as the BigBad.]]
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* EndingFatigue: No one expected the battle on Rahmat's ship was going to take up the bulk of the film. And just when you thought it'd be over after Rahmat dies, [[spoiler:he reveals he never had the kill switch, but his client did, and that's when Marsh steps in to reveal his true status as the BigBad.]]

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* EndingFatigue: No one expected the battle on Rahmat's ship was going to take up the bulk of the film.film, taking about ''50 minutes'' to slog through. And just when you thought it'd be over after Rahmat dies, [[spoiler:he reveals he never had the kill switch, but his client did, and that's when Marsh steps in to reveal his true status as the BigBad.]]
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:After all of Marsh's men are killed, Marsh himself challenges Christmas to come down and meet him face-to-face. Just when you were expecting one last throw down between Christmas and Marsh, Marsh is unceremoniously blown away by Barney in his helicopter [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim when he cheats by pulling a gun out]].]]

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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:After all of Marsh's men are killed, [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen Marsh himself challenges Christmas to come down and meet him face-to-face.face-to-face]]. Just when you were expecting one last throw down between Christmas and Marsh, Marsh is unceremoniously blown away by Barney in his helicopter [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim when he cheats by pulling a gun out]].]]
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* AssPull: The reveal that [[spoiler:Barney faked his death while it falls into LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt is ''really'' stretching it enough as it is, but the fact that he put a living AssholeVictim in the plane to die in his place—[[DisproportionateRetribution just for winning his ring from him and being a jerk about it]]—is complete and utter insanity]]. [[spoiler:Even without all that, the bar fight scene clearly establishes Jumbo Shrimp is far shorter and less heavily muscled than Barney. Even in his burned condition, Christmas missing this is ludicrous]].

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* AssPull: The reveal that [[spoiler:Barney faked his death while it falls into LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt is ''really'' [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt stretching it enough as it is, is]], but the fact that he put a living AssholeVictim in the plane to die in his place—[[DisproportionateRetribution just for winning his ring from him and being a jerk about it]]—is complete and utter insanity]]. [[spoiler:Even without all that, the bar fight scene clearly establishes Jumbo Shrimp is far shorter and less heavily muscled than Barney. Even in his burned condition, Christmas missing this is ludicrous]].
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* AssPull: The reveal that [[spoiler:Barney faked his death while it falls into LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt is ''really'' stretching it enough as it is, but the fact that he put a living AssholeVictim in the plane to die in his place—[[DisproportionateRetribution just for winning his ring from him and being a jerk about it]]—is complete and utter insanity]].

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* AssPull: The reveal that [[spoiler:Barney faked his death while it falls into LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt is ''really'' stretching it enough as it is, but the fact that he put a living AssholeVictim in the plane to die in his place—[[DisproportionateRetribution just for winning his ring from him and being a jerk about it]]—is complete and utter insanity]]. [[spoiler:Even without all that, the bar fight scene clearly establishes Jumbo Shrimp is far shorter and less heavily muscled than Barney. Even in his burned condition, Christmas missing this is ludicrous]].
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* HesJustHiding: Some people believe Rahmat never truly died in his fight with Christmas.
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Come on now, did you ''really'' think Barney was going to kick the bucket?

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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Come on now, did you ''really'' think Barney [[spoiler:Barney was going to kick the bucket?bucket]]?
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* CaptainObviousReveal: To no one's surprise, [[spoiler:Marsh turns out to be Ocelot and the real BigBad.]]

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* CaptainObviousReveal: To While one theory was that [[spoiler:a surprise cameo would be revealed as the villain]], to no one's surprise, surprise ultimately, [[spoiler:Marsh turns out to be Ocelot and the real BigBad.]]
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* AssPull: The reveal that [[spoiler:Barney faked his death while it falls into LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt is ''really'' stretching it enough as it is, but the fact that he put a living AssholeVictim in the plane to die in his place—[[DisproportionateRetribution just for winning his ring from him and being a jerk about it]]—is complete and utter insanity]].
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:After all of Marsh's men are killed, Marsh himself challenges Christmas to come down and meet him face-to-face. Just when you were expecting one last throw down between Christmas and Marsh, Marsh is unceremoniously blown away by Barney in his helicopter when he cheats by pulling a gun out.]]

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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:After all of Marsh's men are killed, Marsh himself challenges Christmas to come down and meet him face-to-face. Just when you were expecting one last throw down between Christmas and Marsh, Marsh is unceremoniously blown away by Barney in his helicopter [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim when he cheats by pulling a gun out.out]].]]
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:After all of Marsh's men are killed, Marsh himself challenges Christmas to come down and meet him face-to-face. Just when you were expecting one last throw down between Christmas and Marsh, Marsh is unceremoniously blown away by Barney in his helicopter when he cheats by pulling a gun out.]]
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* EndingFatigue: No one expected the battle on Rahmat's ship was going to take up the bulk of the film.

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* EndingFatigue: No one expected the battle on Rahmat's ship was going to take up the bulk of the film. And just when you thought it'd be over after Rahmat dies, [[spoiler:he reveals he never had the kill switch, but his client did, and that's when Marsh steps in to reveal his true status as the BigBad.]]
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* CaptainObviousReveal: To no one’s surprise, [[spoiler:Marsh turns out to be Ocelot and the real BigBad.]]
* EndingFatigue: No one expected the battle on Rahmat’s ship was going to take up the bulk of the film.
* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Come on now, did you really think Barney was going to kick the bucket?

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* CaptainObviousReveal: To no one’s one's surprise, [[spoiler:Marsh turns out to be Ocelot and the real BigBad.]]
* EndingFatigue: No one expected the battle on Rahmat’s Rahmat's ship was going to take up the bulk of the film.
* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Come on now, did you really ''really'' think Barney was going to kick the bucket?
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* LikeYouWouldRe0allyDoIt: Come on now, did you really think Barney was going to kick the bucket?

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* LikeYouWouldRe0allyDoIt: LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Come on now, did you really think Barney was going to kick the bucket?
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* CaptainObviousReveal: To no one’s surprise, [[spoiler:Marsh turns out to be Ocelot and the real BigBad.]]
* EndingFatigue: No one expected the battle on Rahmat’s ship was going to take up the bulk of the film.
* LikeYouWouldRe0allyDoIt: Come on now, did you really think Barney was going to kick the bucket?

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