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* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: The books are often criticized for being one more cliched sword-and-sorcery series built on the D&D model. Except the series [[TropeMakers made]] or at least [[TropeCodifier codified]] those cliches.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The books are sometimes criticized for being one more cliched sword-and-sorcery series built on the D&D model. This was not the case when the Chronicles first saw print.

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** Raistlin is a misanthropic arrogant know-it-all who holds his brother in disdain for his popularity and good looks while emotionally abusing him. Oh and he becomes an EvilSorcerer out to become a god. Many fans think he's EvilIsSexy and misunderstood.

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** Raistlin is a misanthropic arrogant know-it-all who holds his brother in disdain for his popularity and good looks while emotionally abusing him. Oh and he becomes an EvilSorcerer out to become a god. Many fans think he's EvilIsSexy hot and misunderstood.



* EvilIsSexy:
** Kitiara. At least Tanis seems to think so, and he's hardly alone. In fact, she's so hot, she manages to inspire the lust of ''Lord Soth'', which is why he ultimate joins her cause.
*** When Dalamar and Kitiara meet in the ''Legends'' series, Weis and Hickman realized there was really only one way it could go.
** Not to mention Raistlin and Dalamar. Who are both possessed of EstrogenBrigade fanclubs due to being dark and brooding pretty boys. They just happen to both be EvilSorcerer types too.
** One Takhisis's forms is the Dark Temptress... although atypically for a female god of evil, it's not a form she appears in very often throughout the series, being more inclined to appear as a five-headed dragon.
** Chemosh can also make himself to appear quite handsome when he wants to be.
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* DesignatedHero: The Gods of Good... really aren't that good, in a lot of ways. See JerkassGods on the main page. More than one reader thinks StrawmanHasAPoint when somebody like Tanis proclaims that the gods don't deserve mortal worship and that the gods were the ones who abandoned the people rather than vice versa. It doesn't help when the Gods of Good are determined to maintain the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil whereas the Evil Gods don't have the same concern.

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* DesignatedHero: The Gods of Good... really aren't that good, in a lot of ways. See JerkassGods on the main page. More than one reader thinks StrawmanHasAPoint when somebody like Tanis proclaims that the gods don't deserve mortal worship and that the gods were the ones who abandoned the people rather than vice versa. It doesn't help when the Gods of Good are determined to maintain the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil whereas the Evil Gods don't have the same concern. The developers for ''TabletopGame/DragonlanceShadowOfTheDragonQueen'' took note of this perception and included multiple more instances of the Kingpriests and mortals' actions that justified the Cataclysm more strongly to try and remedy it.



** As noted under DracoInLeatherPants, the Gods of Good get this a lot. From how some fans talk, you'd think they caused the Cataclysm without warning or justification, whereas in canon they made ''very'' clear that they did not approve of Istar and the Kingpriest's actions, as well as the severity of what would happen if they had to step in, going as far as to strip all the priests of Istar of their divine powers (something that would make any ''sensible'' people at least consider the possibility that the Gods are pissed). It's also been shown had they ''not'' destroyed Istar, the Kingpriest would've become a genocidal GodEmperor and wiped out everyone and everything he deemed evil (including entire species). Not to mention they gave Lord Soth an ''extremely'' easy and merciful LastSecondChance to stop the Cataclysm and save everyone… an act of mercy that Soth [[{{Jerkass}} proceeded to piss away out of petty jealously]]. While certainly there is argument to be made that they did not handle the situation as well as they could have, they also cut mortalkind ''a lot'' of slack before breaking out the divine punishment.

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** As noted under DracoInLeatherPants, the Gods of Good get this a lot. From how some fans talk, you'd think they caused the Cataclysm without warning or justification, whereas in canon they made ''very'' clear that they did not approve of Istar and the Kingpriest's actions, as well as the severity of what would happen if they had to step in, going as far as to strip all the priests of Istar of their divine powers (something that would make any ''sensible'' people at least consider the possibility that the Gods are pissed). It's also been shown had they ''not'' destroyed Istar, the Kingpriest would've become a genocidal GodEmperor and wiped out everyone and everything he deemed evil (including entire species). Not to mention they gave Lord Soth an ''extremely'' easy and merciful LastSecondChance to stop the Cataclysm and save everyone… an act of mercy that Soth [[{{Jerkass}} proceeded to piss away out of petty jealously]]. While certainly there is argument to be made that they did not handle the situation as well as they could have, they also cut mortalkind ''a lot'' of slack before breaking out the divine punishment. The ''TabletopGame/DragonlanceShadowOfTheDragonQueen'' event took note of this and made it a point to show the Kingpriests' desired ascension and Soth's failure were just the straw that broke the camel's back and they'd given mortals even ''more'' chances than originally believed.
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** When Caramon becomes a general in the ''Legends'' series, it frequently seems like many of the young knights he leads are crushing ''hard'' on him. There are many instances of them "flushing with pleasure" when he praises them.
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** Are Takhisis and Tiamat the same being? Creator/WizardsOfTheCoast says yes, Margaret Weis says no. Who you side with likely depends on whether you primarily consider yourself a D&D player or a novel reader.

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** Are Takhisis and Tiamat (and likewise Paladine and Bahamut) the same being? Creator/WizardsOfTheCoast says yes, Margaret Weis says no. Who you side with likely depends on whether you primarily consider yourself a D&D player or a novel reader.
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** Thankfully averted with Tas. On the rare occasion he does angst, something is seriously wrong.

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** Thankfully averted with Tas. On the rare occasion he does angst, something is seriously wrong.wrong.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The ''Chronicles'' Trilogy were originally just meant to be [[TieInNovel Tie-In Novels]] to the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' gaming modules, but thanks to the ''Chronicles'' Trilogy's massive popularity, even more novels were written by both Weis & Hickman and other authors as well. Now it has gotten to the point where there are quite a few Dragonlance fans who have no idea there is even a game tied to the novels. The game has almost always struggled in popularity, especially when it was quickly eclipsed by ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' just a couple of years later. The relatively stream-lined nature of the setting (limited types of monsters and especially monstrous subraces like goblins), only a few defined civilizations and a general history relatively easy to grasp made the setting work really well for novels but feel really constrained for tabletop games where it's like being handed a coloring book where the pictures are mostly already filled in.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The ''Chronicles'' Trilogy were originally just meant to be [[TieInNovel Tie-In Novels]] to the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' gaming modules, but thanks to the ''Chronicles'' Trilogy's massive popularity, even more novels were written by both Weis & Hickman and other authors as well. Now it has gotten to the point where there are quite a few Dragonlance fans who have no idea there is even a game tied to the novels. The game has almost always struggled in popularity, especially when it was quickly eclipsed by ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' just a couple of years later. The relatively stream-lined nature of the setting (limited types of monsters and especially monstrous subraces sub-races like goblins), only a few defined civilizations civilisations and a general history relatively easy to grasp made the setting work really well for novels but feel really constrained for tabletop games where it's like being handed a coloring colouring book where the pictures are mostly already filled in.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Caramon's other sons, Strum and Tanin fall into this as they only feature in two short stories and then they get killed off-screen at the start of ''Literature/DragonsOfSummerFlame''. They never even get to meet their cousin Steel which would've had plenty of dramatic potential considering they're from opposing orders of knights and Strum was named after Steel's father.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Caramon's other sons, Strum Sturm and Tanin fall into this as they only feature in two short stories and then they get killed off-screen at the start of ''Literature/DragonsOfSummerFlame''. They never even get to meet their cousin Steel which would've had plenty of dramatic potential considering they're from opposing orders of knights and Strum Sturm was named after Steel's father.

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* BrokenBase: Fandom tends to be divided on either side of the ''Literature/DragonsOfSummerFlame'' novel. On one hand, you have the old schoolers who generally refuse to accept anything that isn't connected to the original [[TrueCompanions Heroes of the Lance]] and the original ''Chronicles'' and ''Legends'' trilogies. On the other hand, there are those who consider the Fifth Age a bold and innovative step away from the original characters and consider the first group to be hopelessly clinging to the past. For their part, the first group considers the Fifth Agers to have discarded everything that made the series popular in the first place. Both groups, however, almost universally revile Mina and her [[CosmicRetcon Cosmic Retcon Army]], which over the course of a single trilogy managed to systematically destroy everything even remotely connected to the Fifth Age and return it to the status quo. Old school fans were slightly mollified, though even they were struck by the [[DroppedABridgeOnHim sheer meanness of it]], reading between the lines that the entire War of Souls was an AuthorsSavingThrow writ large.

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Fandom tends to be divided on either side of the ''Literature/DragonsOfSummerFlame'' novel. On one hand, you have the old schoolers who generally refuse to accept anything that isn't connected to the original [[TrueCompanions Heroes of the Lance]] and the original ''Chronicles'' and ''Legends'' trilogies. On the other hand, there are those who consider the Fifth Age a bold and innovative step away from the original characters and consider the first group to be hopelessly clinging to the past. For their part, the first group considers the Fifth Agers to have discarded everything that made the series popular in the first place. Both groups, however, almost universally revile Mina and her [[CosmicRetcon Cosmic Retcon Army]], which over the course of a single trilogy managed to systematically destroy everything even remotely connected to the Fifth Age and return it to the status quo. Old school fans were slightly mollified, though even they were struck by the [[DroppedABridgeOnHim sheer meanness of it]], reading between the lines that the entire War of Souls was an AuthorsSavingThrow writ large.



** Dalamar may actually be a subversion or inversion, as it's not clear what he's done to be called evil other than wear black. His greatest sin is studying under Raistlin Majere and choosing to voluntarily wear the Black Robes. He mostly spends the books serving as a TokenEvilTeammate.



** From Raistlin, [[spoiler:"Farewell, Revered Daughter. I need you no longer." Or, before that, agreeing to let the dark dwarves have his brother's head. Or before ''that'' leaving his brother to die on a ship.]] Guy seems to do this a ''lot'', at least until he [[spoiler:dies to keep Takhisis locked up. So, at the end, subverted. And he becomes ''better'' after death]].

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** From Raistlin, [[spoiler:"Farewell, Revered Daughter. I need you no longer." Or, before that, agreeing to let the dark dwarves have his brother's head. Or before ''that'' leaving his brother to die on a ship.]] Guy seems to do this a ''lot'', at least until he [[spoiler:dies to keep Takhisis locked up. So, at the end, subverted. And he becomes ''better'' after death]].



* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: Against the armies of evil.
* RonTheDeathEater: In canon, Kender are treated as a "good" race, with many of the sourcebooks chatting up their [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure hearts and innocence.]] However, years of [[ChaoticStupid "borrowing" the wizard's spellbook and the cleric's holy symbol]] has led to them becoming, in fanon, a despicable blight of inconsiderate thieves who are either brain-damaged or playing dumb. On some boards, killing Kender is considered to be PokeThePoodle-level evil at worst, as opposed to canon, where it's treated with about the same weight as [[WouldHurtAChild murdering children]]. And straight up Genocide against the Kender is seen as a [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar Good Thing]] in many circles. This is primarily because a Kender's more distasteful traits in canon are because they truly don't know any better, [[{{Griefer}} whereas the player sitting across from you with a smug grin on his face]] most certainly does.
** More specifically, most people who play Kender are doing so because they ''want'' to be disruptive to the game, and hence the race is attractive to them. It's a minority of players who say "I want to play a Kender, but I promise he won't be disruptive to the gaming group and I'll try to make sure you all will have a good time".

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* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: Against the armies of evil.
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In canon, Kender are treated as a "good" race, with many of the sourcebooks chatting up their [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure hearts and innocence.]] However, years of [[ChaoticStupid "borrowing" the wizard's spellbook and the cleric's holy symbol]] has led to them becoming, in fanon, a despicable blight of inconsiderate thieves who are either brain-damaged or playing dumb. On some boards, killing Kender is considered to be PokeThePoodle-level evil at worst, as opposed to canon, where it's treated with about the same weight as [[WouldHurtAChild murdering children]]. And straight up Genocide against the Kender is seen as a [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar Good Thing]] in many circles. This is primarily because a Kender's more distasteful traits in canon are because they truly don't know any better, [[{{Griefer}} whereas the player sitting across from you with a smug grin on his face]] most certainly does.
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does. Most people who play Kender are doing so because they ''want'' to be disruptive to the game, and hence the race is attractive to them. It's a minority of players who say "I want to play a Kender, but I promise he won't be disruptive to the gaming group and I'll try to make sure you all will have a good time".



* TheScrappy: Subverted with Tasselhoff; he has all the hallmarks of one of these, but somehow manages to be genuinely likable despite (or because) of his annoying habits and constant meddling in the story. However, other stories with {{Expy}} Kender characters usually fall head over heels into this trope.

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* TheScrappy: Subverted with Tasselhoff; he has all the hallmarks of one of these, but somehow manages to be genuinely likable despite (or because) of his annoying habits and constant meddling in the story. However, other stories with {{Expy}} Kender characters usually fall head over heels into this trope.



* StrawmanHasAPoint: Tanis states that it was really the ''gods'' who abandoned humanity, not vice versa. The thing is, while the gods were definitely right that Kingpriest of Istar and his priesthood went too far, they didn't make it clear what angered them, gave very cryptic hints which really can't make it known, and took all faithful priests with them. So, no wonder that people curse the gods!

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Tanis states that it was really the ''gods'' who abandoned humanity, not vice versa. The thing is, while the gods were definitely right that Kingpriest of Istar and his priesthood went too far, they didn't make it clear what angered them, gave very cryptic hints which really can't make it known, and took all faithful priests with them. So, no wonder that people curse the gods!



* {{Wangst}}: Plenty of it from almost everyone at some point, but Tanis Half-Elven comes off as the greatest offender, primarily because the thing he whines the most about is his inability to choose between his BettyAndVeronica [[LoveTriangle relationships]] with two stunningly gorgeous women (one a bratty but pure-hearted elven princess who grows into a great hero and leader and the other a wickedly sensual human warrior)... while he's leading a party embroiled in an epic struggle for the fate of the world. Priorities, man. Add to it that he's a half-elf but neither of his love interests are and you get extra {{Wangst}} owing to MayflyDecemberRomance.

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Plenty of it from almost everyone at some point, but Tanis Half-Elven comes off as the greatest offender, primarily because the thing he whines the most about is his inability to choose between his BettyAndVeronica [[LoveTriangle relationships]] with two stunningly gorgeous women (one a bratty but pure-hearted elven princess who grows into a great hero and leader and the other a wickedly sensual human warrior)... while he's leading a party embroiled in an epic struggle for the fate of the world. Priorities, man. Add to it that he's a half-elf but neither of his love interests are and you get extra {{Wangst}} owing to MayflyDecemberRomance.

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