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** The Remanents, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used to give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]

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** The Remanents, Remnants, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used to give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]

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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless, and bad. It's nothing new from the Doctor but a little more extensive than usual; the last time this sort of message was this heavily hammered in was [[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E2TheHappinessPatrol nearly 30 years ago]]. The fact that it's the black guy who's turned into a trigger-happy strawman for the Doctor's argument also didn't go unnoticed, plus the fact the guns were only "worthless" because the robots outright reactivated after being shot and downed and it ran out of power, not because it was an inherently bad idea.
* HarsherInHindsight: The Remnants say "they see deeper though... further back..." Come the series 12 finale, they are seeing ''very far'' into the Doctor's timeline.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: Whether you think it's this, ArtisticLicensePhysics, and/or ConvectionSchmonvection, the scene of the Doctor and adventurers crawling away after digging themselves two inches down with their feet, igniting acetylene right above their heads, and having it continuing to burn mere inches above them, looked kind of ridiculous after a tense buildup.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless, and bad. It's nothing new from the Doctor but a little more extensive than usual; the last time this sort of message was this heavily hammered in was [[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E2TheHappinessPatrol nearly 30 years ago]]. The fact that it's the black guy who's turned into a trigger-happy strawman for the Doctor's argument also didn't go unnoticed, plus the fact the guns were only "worthless" because the robots outright reactivated after being shot and downed and it ran out of power, not because it was an inherently bad idea.
* HarsherInHindsight: The Remnants say "they see deeper though... further back..." Come the series 12 finale, they are seeing ''very far'' into the Doctor's timeline.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: Whether you think it's this, ArtisticLicensePhysics, and/or ConvectionSchmonvection, the scene of the Doctor and adventurers crawling away after digging themselves two inches down with their feet, igniting acetylene right above their heads, and having it continuing to burn mere inches above them, looked kind of ridiculous after a tense buildup.build-up.



** The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used to give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]

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** The ribbon creatures, Remanents, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used to give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]
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** While the mention of the Stenza at least reminded the audience they were still out there, whatever the Stenza were up to on Ilin ultimately had no bearing on the direction of Series 11.

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** While the mention of the Stenza at least reminded the audience they were still out there, whatever the Stenza were up to on Ilin Desolation ultimately had no bearing on the direction of Series 11.
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** The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used to give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]] Assuming they don't return, of course...

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** The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used to give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]] Assuming they don't return, of course...
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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless, and bad. It's nothing new from the Doctor but a little more extensive than usual; the last time this sort of message was this heavily hammered in was [[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E2TheHappinessPatrol nearly 30 years ago]]. The fact that it's the black guy who's turned into a trigger-happy strawman for the Doctor's argument also didn't go unnoticed.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless, and bad. It's nothing new from the Doctor but a little more extensive than usual; the last time this sort of message was this heavily hammered in was [[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E2TheHappinessPatrol nearly 30 years ago]]. The fact that it's the black guy who's turned into a trigger-happy strawman for the Doctor's argument also didn't go unnoticed.unnoticed, plus the fact the guns were only "worthless" because the robots outright reactivated after being shot and downed and it ran out of power, not because it was an inherently bad idea.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The Remnants say "they see deeper though... further back..." Come the series 12 finale, they are seeing ''very far'' into the Doctor's timeline.
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* {{Woolseyism}}: In the episode's Brazilian dub, the Doctor's comment that she obtained her sunglasses from either Audrey Hepburn or Pythagoras is changed to reference Carmen Miranda and Palmirinha Onofre, names more recognizable to that country's viewership.

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* {{Woolseyism}}: In the episode's Brazilian dub, the Doctor's comment that she obtained her sunglasses from either Audrey Hepburn Creator/AudreyHepburn or Pythagoras is changed to reference Carmen Miranda Creator/CarmenMiranda and Palmirinha Onofre, names more recognizable to that country's viewership.
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* {{Woolseyism}}: In the episode's Brazilian dub, the Doctor's comment that she obtained her sunglasses from either Audrey Hepburn or Pythagoras is changed to reference Carmen Miranda and Palmirinha Onofre, names more recognizable to that country's viewership.
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** The whole Timeless Child thing is never once brought up again in Series 11, and with Chibnall's general aversion to long term story arcs in the show, it's anyone's guess if it was even intended to go anywhere. [[spoiler:The second episode of Series 12 mentions it again, indicating that it was intended to be a story arc.]]
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** The whole Timeless Child thing is never once brought up again in Series 11, and with Chibnall's general aversion to long term story arcs in the show, it's anyone's guess if it was even intended to go anywhere. [[spoiler:The first episode of Series 12 mentions it again, indicating that it was intended to be a story arc.]]

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** The whole Timeless Child thing is never once brought up again in Series 11, and with Chibnall's general aversion to long term story arcs in the show, it's anyone's guess if it was even intended to go anywhere. [[spoiler:The first second episode of Series 12 mentions it again, indicating that it was intended to be a story arc.]]
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** The whole Timeless Child thing is never once brought up again in Series 11, and with Chibnall's general aversion to long term story arcs in the show, it's anyone's guess if it was even intended to go anywhere.

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** The whole Timeless Child thing is never once brought up again in Series 11, and with Chibnall's general aversion to long term story arcs in the show, it's anyone's guess if it was even intended to go anywhere. [[spoiler:The first episode of Series 12 mentions it again, indicating that it was intended to be a story arc.]]
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ilin was [[Film/TrueLies "fired"]] from his last job as a terrorist.
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** While the mention of the Stenza at least reminded the audience they were still out there, whatever the Stenza were up to on Ilin ultimately had no bearing on the direction of Series 11.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used to give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]] Assuming they don't return, of course...

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used to give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]] Assuming they don't return, of course...course...
** The whole Timeless Child thing is never once brought up again in Series 11, and with Chibnall's general aversion to long term story arcs in the show, it's anyone's guess if it was even intended to go anywhere.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: Whether you think it's this, ArtisticLicensePhysics, and/or ConvectionSchmonvection, the scene of the Doctor and adventurers crawling away after digging themselves two inches down with their feet, igniting acetylene right above their heads, and having it continuing to burn mere inches above them, looked kind of ridiculous after a tense buildup.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless, and bad. It's nothing new from the Doctor but a little more extensive than usual; the last time this sort of message was this heavily hammered in was [[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E2TheHappinessPatrol nearly 30 years ago]].

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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless, and bad. It's nothing new from the Doctor but a little more extensive than usual; the last time this sort of message was this heavily hammered in was [[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E2TheHappinessPatrol nearly 30 years ago]]. The fact that it's the black guy who's turned into a trigger-happy strawman for the Doctor's argument also didn't go unnoticed.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless, and bad. It's nothing new from the Doctor but a little more extensive than usual.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless, and bad. It's nothing new from the Doctor but a little more extensive than usual.usual; the last time this sort of message was this heavily hammered in was [[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E2TheHappinessPatrol nearly 30 years ago]].
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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless. And bad.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless. And bad.GunsAreWorthless, and bad. It's nothing new from the Doctor but a little more extensive than usual.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: We get it, GunsAreWorthless. And bad.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ilin was [[Film/TrueLies "fired"]] from his last job as a terrorist.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: We're repeatedly told there is no life on the planet other than the killer microbes in the water. It would be more convincing without all of the lush plantlife in the backgrounds...
** It is pointed out that the microbes in the water are ''flesh-eating'', so 'no life' was in reference to animals and people.
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** It is pointed out that the microbes in the water are ''flesh-eating'', so 'no life' was in reference to animals and people.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: We're repeatedly told there is no life on the planet other than the killer microbes in the water. It would be more convincing without all of the lush plantlife in the backgrounds...
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]] Assuming they don't return, of course...

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used to give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]] Assuming they don't return, of course...
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]]] Assuming they don't return, of course...

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TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]

WholePlotRefrence: A planet called Desolation, lethal water, a journey through the sewers and the facing of fears... Was this episode written by Chris Chibnall or Terry Nation?

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]

WholePlotRefrence: A planet called Desolation, lethal water, a journey through the sewers and the facing of fears... Was this episode written by Chris Chibnall or Terry Nation?
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TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]

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TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]]]

WholePlotRefrence: A planet called Desolation, lethal water, a journey through the sewers and the facing of fears... Was this episode written by Chris Chibnall or Terry Nation?
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TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ribbon creatures, produced by tortured scientists under orders from the Stenza and able to delve into people's worst fears. They could have been used give more backstory to Angstrom, Epzo, the companions or even the Doctor herself. Instead, they're dealt with instantly by an [[MakesSenseInContext exploding cigar.]]

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