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* HilariousInHindsight: When the Doctor visits the last planet in the universe in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E4Listen "Listen"]], he comments on a marooned time traveller, "The last man standing in the universe. I always thought that would be me." Fast forward to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent "Hell Bent"]] and we reach the very last little fragment of the universe, only five minutes to go, and what do you know, the last one standing in the universe is...Me.



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** Clara's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to the Time Lords is either good or flat out blaming ''an entire race'' for the Doctor's ''four billion year hell'' when half of the race was thanking him for saving them. She doesn't know about the latter, though, only that the Time Lords trapped him there.

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** Clara's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to the Time Lords is either good justified in calling out the leadership of the Time Lords for unspeakable cruelty, or flat out blaming ''an entire race'' for the Doctor's ''four billion year hell'' when half of the race was thanking him for saving them. She doesn't know about the latter, though, only that the Time Lords trapped him there. She also likely doesn't know that these are not the leaders who were responsible for what happened to the Doctor, since she wasn't extracted until after they'd been exiled.
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* BadassDecay: In his last appearance, Rassilon was the iron-fisted BigBad of Time Lord society who casually vaporised people for disagreeing with him. Here, he's a rather ineffectual old man who gets kicked off Gallifrey without even a real fight. Possibly explained when one remembers that he was brought back to rule in a time of extreme crisis, so his tyrannical methods were no longer palatable in peacetime. Also, he's [[TheNthDoctor being played by a different actor again]], so this current regeneration may just not be as forceful or effective as the last one.

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* BadassDecay: In his last appearance, Rassilon was the iron-fisted BigBad of Time Lord society who casually vaporised people for disagreeing with him. Even the Doctor clearly feared him on some level, going as far as [[BatmanGrabsAGun picking up a gun]] in a desperate attempt to ward off him the last time he came face to face with him. Here, he's a rather ineffectual old man who gets kicked off Gallifrey without even a real fight.fight by a Doctor, who is calmly in control all the time. Possibly explained when one remembers that he was brought back to rule in a time of extreme crisis, so his tyrannical methods were no longer palatable in peacetime. Also, he's [[TheNthDoctor being played by a different actor again]], so this current regeneration may just not be as forceful or effective as the last one.
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** Clara's fate -- she '''must''' return to the moment of her death at some point to keep the universe together, but until then is immortal and free to roam the universe in her own TARDIS, with Ashildr as a companion -- is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Steven Moffatt can't kill anyone off (a common problem people have with his era). On the other hand, the show has ''also'' taken criticism for its inability to refrain from giving companions horribly tragic endings, and Clara's fate is a huge aversion of that. Another take is that this actually ''amplifies'' Clara's death in "Face the Raven" -- we now know that she'll have untold additional adventures but '''must''' face the raven when all's said and done. For those seeking a tragic, final end for a companion, it doesn't get more tragic or final.

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** Clara's fate -- she '''must''' return to the moment of her death at some point to keep the universe together, but until then is immortal and free to roam the universe in her own TARDIS, with Ashildr as a companion -- is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Steven Moffatt can't kill anyone off (a common problem people have with his era). On the other hand, the show has ''also'' taken criticism for its inability to refrain from giving companions horribly tragic endings, and Clara's fate is a huge aversion of that. Another take is that this actually ''amplifies'' Clara's death in "Face the Raven" -- we now know that she'll have untold additional adventures but '''must''' face the raven when all's said and done. For those seeking a tragic, final end for a companion, it doesn't get more tragic or final. Then again, having to die eventually it's something that's true for every human being, and she not only gets to chose when, she potentially could live for centuries (if not millennia, or more), which could make it look not exactly a tragic fate.

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** Clara's fate is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Moffatt can't kill anyone off - a common problem people have with his era. It is noted however that all that has happened is that the inevitable has just been delayed and she still must die. Also, the show has taken some criticism for its inability to refrain from giving companions some horribly tragic ending, which this is a huge aversion of. An alternate interpretation is that it actually amplifies Clara's death in "Face the Raven" as we now know that when she does die, it's after having untold additional adventures; and ''then'' she will have to die, no option. For those seeking a tragic, final end for a companion, it doesn't get more tragic or final.

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** Clara's fate -- she '''must''' return to the moment of her death at some point to keep the universe together, but until then is immortal and free to roam the universe in her own TARDIS, with Ashildr as a companion -- is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Steven Moffatt can't kill anyone off - a (a common problem people have with his era. It is noted however that all that has happened is that era). On the inevitable has just been delayed and she still must die. Also, other hand, the show has ''also'' taken some criticism for its inability to refrain from giving companions some horribly tragic ending, which this endings, and Clara's fate is a huge aversion of. An alternate interpretation of that. Another take is that it this actually amplifies ''amplifies'' Clara's death in "Face the Raven" as -- we now know that when she does die, it's after having she'll have untold additional adventures; adventures but '''must''' face the raven when all's said and ''then'' she will have to die, no option.done. For those seeking a tragic, final end for a companion, it doesn't get more tragic or final.



* TakeThat: The Twelfth Doctor trying to erase Clara's memories of him, only for her to call him out for that, saying she has the right to remember her past, has been perceived as a Take That to Donna Noble's departure at the end of "Journey's End".
* ToughActToFollow: After the nigh-unanimously acclaimed experimental episode "Heaven Sent," this far more conventional story naturally didn't make a worthy end to the story for many fans.
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** Since the Doctor's companion-less between Series 9 and 10 (aside from the Christmas special temporarily reuniting him with River Song), this opens up a lot of avenues for short-term OriginalCharacter companions or straight-up solo adventures.
* TakeThat: The Twelfth Doctor trying to erase Clara's memories of him, only for her to call him out for that, saying she has the right to remember her past, has been perceived as a Take That to Donna Noble's departure at the end of "Journey's End".
End", which was ''very'' poorly received by the fanbase and never reversed despite much demand.
* ToughActToFollow: After the nigh-unanimously acclaimed experimental episode "Heaven Sent," this far more conventional story naturally didn't make a worthy end to the story season for many fans.
fans, particularly those who didn't care much about the Doctor and Clara's relationship or Clara in general and/or felt it turned the Doctor's return to Gallifrey into something of an anticlimax.
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** Clara's fate is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Moffatt can't kill anyone off - a common problem people have with his era. It is noted however that all that has happened is that the inevitable has just been delayed and she still must die. Also, the show has taken some criticism for its inability to refrain from giving companions some horribly tragic ending, which this is a huge aversion of.
*** An alternate interpretation is that it actually amplifies Clara's death in Face the Raven as we now know that when she does die, it's after having untold additional adventures and ''something'' has to have occurred to make Clara decide that it was time to die. For those seeking a tragic, final end for a companion, it doesn't get more tragic or final.

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** Clara's fate is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Moffatt can't kill anyone off - a common problem people have with his era. It is noted however that all that has happened is that the inevitable has just been delayed and she still must die. Also, the show has taken some criticism for its inability to refrain from giving companions some horribly tragic ending, which this is a huge aversion of.
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*** An alternate interpretation is that it actually amplifies Clara's death in Face the Raven as we now know that when she does die, it's after having untold additional adventures and ''something'' has to have occurred to make Clara decide that it was time to die. For those seeking a tragic, final end for a companion, it doesn't get more tragic or final.


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** Exactly what Clara says to the Doctor in their private time in the Cloisters is intentionally left unrevealed, opening the door to all manner of speculation.

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* BrokenBase: Clara's fate is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Moffatt can't kill anyone off - a common problem people have with his era. It is noted however that all that has happened is that the inevitable has just been delayed and she still must die. Also, the show has taken some criticism for its inability to refrain from giving companions some horribly tragic ending, which this is a huge aversion of.
** Clara's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to the Time Lords is either good or flat out blaming ''an entire race'' for the Doctor's ''4 billion year hell'' when half of the race was thanking him for saving them. Then again it can be interpret as them being the reason other their race suffer immensely because of this.

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Clara's fate is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Moffatt can't kill anyone off - a common problem people have with his era. It is noted however that all that has happened is that the inevitable has just been delayed and she still must die. Also, the show has taken some criticism for its inability to refrain from giving companions some horribly tragic ending, which this is a huge aversion of.
** Clara's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to the Time Lords is either good or flat out blaming ''an entire race'' for the Doctor's ''4 ''four billion year hell'' when half of the race was thanking him for saving them. Then again it can be interpret as them being She doesn't know about the reason other their race suffer immensely because of this.latter, though, only that the Time Lords trapped him there.
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** Clara's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to the Time Lords is either good or flat out blaming ''an entire race'' for the Doctor's ''4 billion year hell'' when half of the race was thanking him for saving them. Then again it can be interpret as them being the reason other their race suffer immensely because of this.
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* ToughActToFollow: After the nigh-unanimously acclaimed experimental episode "Heaven Sent," this far more conventional story naturally didn't make a worthy end to the story for many fans.
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* TakeThat: The Twelfth Doctor trying to erase Clara's memories of him, only for her to call him out for that, saying she has the right to remember her past, has been perceived as a Take That to Donna Noble's departure at the end of "Journey's End".

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* TakeThat: The Twelfth Doctor trying to erase Clara's memories of him, only for her to call him out for that, saying she has the right to remember her past, has been perceived as a Take That to Donna Noble's departure at the end of "Journey's End".End".
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not sure of it, but putting more context to it at least.


* FanficFuel/[[HoYay Les Yay]]: Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS. And then there's the question of what will eventually convince her to finally return to her death.
** We also have the question of how many Regenerations The Doctor currently has. Rassilon himself doesn't seem to know how many they gave The Doctor, but implies that it was quite a few, because he says he can take "all-night" killing The Doctor to get the information about the Hybrid out of him.
* TakeThat: To RTD and his treatment of Donna at the end.

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* FanficFuel/[[HoYay Les Yay]]: FanficFuel:
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Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS. And then there's the question of what will eventually convince her to finally return to her death.
** We also have the question of how many Regenerations The regenerations the Doctor currently has. Rassilon himself doesn't seem to know how many they gave The the Doctor, but implies that it was quite a few, because he says he can take "all-night" killing The the Doctor to get the information about the Hybrid out of him.
* TakeThat: To RTD and his treatment The Twelfth Doctor trying to erase Clara's memories of him, only for her to call him out for that, saying she has the right to remember her past, has been perceived as a Take That to Donna Noble's departure at the end.end of "Journey's End".
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Justifying edit was right.


** The Doctor is given a proper sonic screwdriver, after the sonic sunglasses were received with backlash.
*** Except that the series end was written, and filmed, long before the sonic sunglasses ever debuted on screen. So the Sonic Screwdriver was already returning. Moffat was either using the Sunglasses as a metaphor for something, or just trolling the fans, as he himself said of the sunglasses that sometimes he enjoyed being a bit naughty.

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* BadassDecay: In his last appearance, Rassilon was the iron-fisted BigBad of Time Lord society who casually vaporised people for disagreeing with him. Here, he's a rather ineffectual old man who gets kicked off Gallifrey without even a real fight. Possibly explained when one remembers that he was brought back to rule in a time of extreme crisis, so his tyrannical methods were no longer palatable in peacetime.

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* BadassDecay: In his last appearance, Rassilon was the iron-fisted BigBad of Time Lord society who casually vaporised people for disagreeing with him. Here, he's a rather ineffectual old man who gets kicked off Gallifrey without even a real fight. Possibly explained when one remembers that he was brought back to rule in a time of extreme crisis, so his tyrannical methods were no longer palatable in peacetime. Also, he's [[TheNthDoctor being played by a different actor again]], so this current regeneration may just not be as forceful or effective as the last one.


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** We also have the question of how many Regenerations The Doctor currently has. Rassilon himself doesn't seem to know how many they gave The Doctor, but implies that it was quite a few, because he says he can take "all-night" killing The Doctor to get the information about the Hybrid out of him.
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*** Except that the series end was written, and filmed, long before the sonic sunglasses ever debuted on screen. So the Sonic Screwdriver was already returning. Moffat was either using the Sunglasses as a metaphor for something, or just trolling the fans, as he himself said of the sunglasses that sometimes he enjoyed being a bit naughty.
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* TakeThat: To RTD and his treatment of Donna at the end.
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* BadassDecay: In his last appearance, Rassilon was the iron-fisted BigBad of Time Lord society who casually vaporised people for disagreeing with him. Here, he's a rather ineffectual old man who gets kicked off Gallifrey without even a real fight. Possibly FridgeBrilliance, as he was brought back to rule in a time of extreme crisis but his tyrannical methods were no longer palatable in peacetime.

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* BadassDecay: In his last appearance, Rassilon was the iron-fisted BigBad of Time Lord society who casually vaporised people for disagreeing with him. Here, he's a rather ineffectual old man who gets kicked off Gallifrey without even a real fight. Possibly FridgeBrilliance, as explained when one remembers that he was brought back to rule in a time of extreme crisis but crisis, so his tyrannical methods were no longer palatable in peacetime.
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** Also giving The Doctor a proper sonic screwdriver, rather than the glasses.

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** Also giving The Doctor is given a proper sonic screwdriver, rather than after the glasses.sonic sunglasses were received with backlash.



* FanficFuel/[[HoYay Lesyay]]: Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS. And then there's the question of what will eventually convince her to finally return to her death.

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* FanficFuel/[[HoYay Lesyay]]: Les Yay]]: Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS. And then there's the question of what will eventually convince her to finally return to her death.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The Tenth Doctor's mind-wipe of Donna is commonly believed to be his worst moment, ignoring her consent to die and the show concentrating on ''his'' pain afterwards. The Twelfth Doctor tries to do the same to Clara, even telling her he's done it before, but she calls him out, saying she has the right to remember her past.

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The Tenth Doctor's mind-wipe of Donna is commonly believed to be his worst moment, ignoring her consent to die and the show concentrating on ''his'' pain afterwards. The Twelfth Doctor tries to do the same to Clara, even telling her he's done it before, but she calls him out, saying she has the right to remember her past.


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** Treated oddly with the "half-human" theory, which is often treated as borderline-heresy and has been the butt of several jokes. Here, however, it's played as a legitimate possibility, although the Doctor doesn't confirm or deny anything.
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* FanficFuel: Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS. And then there's the question of what will eventually convince her to finally return to her death.

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* FanficFuel: FanficFuel/[[HoYay Lesyay]]: Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS. And then there's the question of what will eventually convince her to finally return to her death.
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** Also giving The Doctor a proper sonic screwdriver, rather than the glasses.
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* BadassDecay: In his last appearance, Rassilon was the iron-fisted BigBad of Time Lord society who casually vaporised people for disagreeing with him. Here, he's a rather ineffectual old man who gets kicked off Gallifrey without even a real fight.

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* BadassDecay: In his last appearance, Rassilon was the iron-fisted BigBad of Time Lord society who casually vaporised people for disagreeing with him. Here, he's a rather ineffectual old man who gets kicked off Gallifrey without even a real fight. Possibly FridgeBrilliance, as he was brought back to rule in a time of extreme crisis but his tyrannical methods were no longer palatable in peacetime.
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* FanficFuel: Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS.

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* FanficFuel: Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS. And then there's the question of what will eventually convince her to finally return to her death.
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As opposed to Mr President wanting him dead on the spot? Not an example


* WhatAnIdiot: You banished Rassilon and Time Lord High Council, Doctor. Have you thought that they could seek revenge?

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* BrokenBase: Clara's fate is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Moffatt can't kill anyone off - a common problem people have with his era. It is noted however that all that has happened is that the inevitable has just been delayed and she still must die.

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* BrokenBase: Clara's fate is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Moffatt can't kill anyone off - a common problem people have with his era. It is noted however that all that has happened is that the inevitable has just been delayed and she still must die. Also, the show has taken some criticism for its inability to refrain from giving companions some horribly tragic ending, which this is a huge aversion of.
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* FanficFuel: Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS.

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* FanficFuel: Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS.TARDIS.
* WhatAnIdiot: You banished Rassilon and Time Lord High Council, Doctor. Have you thought that they could seek revenge?
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* BadassDecay: In his last appearance, Rassilon was the iron-fisted BigBad of Time Lord society who casually vaporised people for disagreeing with him. Here, he's a rather ineffectual old man who gets kicked off Gallifrey without even a real fight.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The Tenth Doctor's mind-wipe of Donna is commonly believed to be his worst moment, ignoring her consent to die and the show concentrating on ''his'' pain afterwards. The Twelfth Doctor tries to do the same to Clara, even telling her he's done it before, but she calls him out, saying she has the right to remember her past.
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* BrokenBase: Clara's fate is either the perfect way to send her off and complete her character arc or completely ruins a perfectly good exit that is further proof Moffatt can't kill anyone off - a common problem people have with his era. It is noted however that all that has happened is that the inevitable has just been delayed and she still must die.
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* FanficFuel: Clara "taking the long way round" to Gallifrey with Ashildr as her companion, and a diner TARDIS.

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