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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Kristen Blake, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) are still very popular to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony {DiMera}'s parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Years and several writing regimes later, there are those who will still assert that the show ''never'' recovered from his first tenure (just see JumpingTheShark below). But even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster (even if they did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Kristen Blake, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) are still very popular to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony {DiMera}'s DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Years and several writing regimes later, there are those who will still assert that the show ''never'' recovered from his first tenure (just see JumpingTheShark below). But even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster (even if they did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Kristen Blake, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) are still very popular to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Years and several writing regimes later, there are those who will still assert that the show ''never'' recovered from his first tenure (just see JumpingtheShark below). But even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster (even if they did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Kristen Blake, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) are still very popular to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's {DiMera}'s parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Years and several writing regimes later, there are those who will still assert that the show ''never'' recovered from his first tenure (just see JumpingtheShark JumpingTheShark below). But even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster (even if they did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Kristen Blake, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) are still very popular to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Kristen Blake, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) are still very popular to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even Years and several writing regimes later, there are those who will still assert that the show ''never'' recovered from his first tenure (just see JumpingtheShark below). But even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though disaster (even those who if they did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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** Arguably to a lesser extent the same happened with Melanie Layton (now Jonas). She started out an unlikable and shallow con-artist (although deliberately so), but was given a sympathetic backstory and became so popular she was even given a connection to the Horton family.
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) are still very popular to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Kristen Blake, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) are still very popular to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) are still dominate the show very popular to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, ignored continuity, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally usually agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who relied on shock value, dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did at least like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner head writer James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of backstories like John Black's origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines like the mystery behind John Black's origins, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines backstories like the mystery behind John Black's origins, origins and Tony DiMera's parentage, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines like the mystery behind John Black's origins, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial.controversial by soap fan standards. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines like the mystery behind John Black's origins, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even usually those who did like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines like the mystery behind John Black's origins, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even if you did lack the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]].
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines like the mystery behind John Black's origins, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was in the end a disaster, though (even if you usually those who did lack like the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]]. storyline]]).
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines like the mystery behind John Black's origins, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was overall a disaster, though.
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* BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines like the mystery behind John Black's origins, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was overall in the end a disaster, though.though (even if you did lack the fantastically bizarre [[GuiltyPleasures Salem Stalker storyline]].
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* Broken Base - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines like the mystery behind John Black's origins, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was overall a disaster, though.
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* Broken Base BrokenBase - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines like the mystery behind John Black's origins, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was overall a disaster, though.
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* Broken Base - This happens with any soap opera over couples, characters, etc., but the original tenure of showrunner James E. Reilly is still very controversial. Some fans will argue he breathed new life into a show still reeling from the late '80s/early '90s writers' strike and point out that quite a few of his characters (like Sami Brady, Lucas Horton, and the Reed-Roberts family) still dominate the show to this day. Others will say his use of supernatural and other unrealistic (even by soap standards) elements derailed the show and alienated longtime fans, and that he was just generally a bad writer who dragged out storylines, made an incoherent mess out of long-running storylines like the mystery behind John Black's origins, and [[BlackandWhiteMorality reduced characters and their motivations to two dimensions, at most.]] Even fans who liked his original run will generally agree his second run starting in 2003 was overall a disaster, though.
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* LargeHam - Many. Joe Mascolo, Drake Hogestyn, Lauren Koslow, (formerly) Judi Evans, but above all, honey-glazed with a side of biscuits and red-eye gravy, Louise Sorel as the flamboyantly insane Vivian.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation- Marlena and her daughter Belle as selfish cunts who play their romantic suitors against each other so she can have TWO men loving her at the same time is a popular fan interpretation of the character.
* ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch - If one was to visit any Days forum, he would notice a number of people claiming they do not watch the show anymore but constantly complain about its current condition.
* CompleteMonster: Kate Roberts attempted to kill her son's wife, who donated bone marrow to her despite it being a huge risk due to her being a cancer survivor, and tried to frame the doctor that performed the operation, all because of a suspicion.
* ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch - If one was to visit any Days forum, he would notice a number of people claiming they do not watch the show anymore but constantly complain about its current condition.
* CompleteMonster: Kate Roberts attempted to kill her son's wife, who donated bone marrow to her despite it being a huge risk due to her being a cancer survivor, and tried to frame the doctor that performed the operation, all because of a suspicion.
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* DieForOurShip - Days couples tend to have very passionate fanbases. The Broe vs. Phloe, Shimi vs. Shelle, Lumi vs. Ejami battles come to mind. And God help you if you think Jennifer Horton should be with anyone other than Jack Deveraux.
** Or if you happen to despise a pairing because one half happens to be a rapist. Jack and Sami are both rapists, as well as EJ, Tony, and several other characters. But apparently being 'cool', 'good-looking', 'damaged', and/or 'badass' makes the fact that committed, sometimes more than once, such a barbaric, traumatising act is a-okay.
* EnsembleDarkhorse - Jack Deveraux was originally envisioned as a typical rich jerk to be a RomanticFalseLead for Steve and Kayla as many other couples have had before and after and the character was so destined-for-nothing that they went through three actors in less than a year. Eventually, however, the character found the right actor who provided him with so much depth and humor, that while the couple he was interfering with was gone within the next couple years, Jack Deveraux wound up spending more time on the show than either of them combined.
** The same can be said of Lucas and Sami. Originally the meddling little siblings of big couple Austin and Carrie (respectively) they wound up lasting longer and becoming much bigger than both of them. Sami's currently the main heroine.
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** Or if you happen to despise a pairing because one half happens to be a rapist. Jack and Sami are both rapists, as well as EJ, Tony, and several other characters. But apparently being 'cool', 'good-looking', 'damaged', and/or 'badass' makes the fact that committed, sometimes more than once, such a barbaric, traumatising act is a-okay.
* EnsembleDarkhorse - Jack Deveraux was originally envisioned as a typical rich jerk to be a RomanticFalseLead for Steve and Kayla as many other couples have had before and after and the character was so destined-for-nothing that they went through three actors in less than a year. Eventually, however, the character found the right actor who provided him with so much depth and humor, that while the couple he was interfering with was gone within the next couple years, Jack Deveraux wound up spending more time on the show than either of them combined.
** The same can be said of Lucas and Sami. Originally the meddling little siblings of big couple Austin and Carrie (respectively) they wound up lasting longer and becoming much bigger than both of them. Sami's currently the main heroine.
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* SuperCouple - Bo and Hope, John and Marlena, Jack and Jennifer, Steve and Kayla and more.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chelsea used to be an extremely hated character. She was an arrogant [[JerkAss jerkass]], rude to everyone around her (even her best friend Abby), responsible for killing her little brother, and tried to break up Bo and Hope's marriage. When she started dating HollywoodNerd Nick, she became a much better person. She went from being the most hated character to one of the more popular characters.
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* CharacterDerailment - A lot of this due to Dena Higley's writing and some of JER's. Particularly egregious in the case of Stephanie, who went from a [[ActionGirl badass redhead]] [[WrenchWench racer chick]] to a [[{{Chickification}} somewhat vapid brunette fashion plate.]]
