Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / DawnOfTheArcana

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FanPreferredCouple: There is about an equal amount of Caesar/Nakaba shippers and Loki/Nakaba shippers.

to:

* FanPreferredCouple: ShipToShipCombat: There is about an equal amount of Caesar/Nakaba shippers and Loki/Nakaba shippers.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FanPreferredCouple: There is about an equal amount of Caesar/Nakaba shippers and Loki/Nakaba shippers. However see ShipSinking.

to:

* FanPreferredCouple: There is about an equal amount of Caesar/Nakaba shippers and Loki/Nakaba shippers. However see ShipSinking.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Ship Shinking now requires In Universe acknowledgement of the ship and is not YMMV.


* ShipSinking: The WhamEpisode sinks the Loki/Nakaba ship hard when it's revealed that [[spoiler: they're actually [[BrotherSisterIncest siblings.]]]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Cain did suffer a great deal of prejudice and neglect especially after his mother's death. But his resentment of Caesar is misplaced as Caesar openly loved his brother and actively rejected the throne. Furthermore, [[spoiler: he massacred an entire village of innocent Ajin for a chance to kill his brother after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it can be hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses his chance at happiness.]]
** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was his favorite child but its an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and classism and didn't bother to search for or protect her, leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never even acknowledged as a grandson.]]

to:

** Cain did suffer a great deal of prejudice and neglect especially after his mother's death. But his resentment of Caesar is misplaced as Caesar openly loved his brother and actively rejected the throne. Furthermore, [[spoiler: he massacred an entire village of innocent Ajin for a chance to kill his brother after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it can be hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses loses his chance at happiness.]]
** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was his favorite child but its an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and classism and didn't bother to search for or protect her, leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never even acknowledged as a grandson.grandsons.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** King Guran butchered Nakaba and Loki's home village and ordered the massacre of a village of Ajin simply to test new weapons. His parenting of Cain and Caesar is non-existent and contributes to both characters emotional problems. [[spoiler: It's revealed that he killed Nakaba's village because an Arcana user predicted his beloved wife's death. However, he forced the man to predict the future on threat of death for him and his companions so BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor. And his wife was notably sick and ailing and the prediction didn't cause her death, making his atrocities MisplacedRetribution. His love for Lady Sarah also rings rather hollow since he didn't stand up for her enough to keep her title nor did he raise or stand up for her son Cain after she died. Guran comes across as a selfish, weak-willed man rather than a tragic prince who turned evil.]]
** Cain did suffer a great deal of prejudice and neglect growing up especially after his mother's death. But his resentment of Caesar is misplaced as Caesar openly loved his brother and actively rejected the throne. Furthermore, [[spoiler: he massacred an entire village of innocent Ajin solely to get a chance to kill his brother after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it's hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses his chance at happiness.]]
** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was his favorite child but its an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and classism and didn't bother to search for or protect her, leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never rvrn acknowledged as a grandson.]]

to:

** King Guran butchered Nakaba and Loki's home village and ordered the massacre of a village of Ajin simply to in order test new weapons. His parenting of Cain and Caesar is non-existent and contributes to both characters emotional problems. [[spoiler: It's revealed that he killed destroyed Nakaba's village because an Arcana user predicted his beloved wife's death. However, he forced the man to predict the future on threat of death for him and his companions so BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor. And his wife was notably already sick and ailing and the prediction didn't cause her death, making his atrocities MisplacedRetribution. His love for Lady Sarah also rings rather hollow since he didn't stand up for her enough to keep her title nor did he raise or stand up vouch for her son Cain after she died. Guran comes across as a selfish, weak-willed man rather than a tragic prince who turned evil.]]
** Cain did suffer a great deal of prejudice and neglect growing up especially after his mother's death. But his resentment of Caesar is misplaced as Caesar openly loved his brother and actively rejected the throne. Furthermore, [[spoiler: he massacred an entire village of innocent Ajin solely to get for a chance to kill his brother after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it's it can be hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses his chance at happiness.]]
** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was his favorite child but its an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and classism and didn't bother to search for or protect her, leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never rvrn even acknowledged as a grandson.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Cain did suffer a great deal of prejudice and neglect growing up especially after his mother's death. But his resentment of Caesar is misplaced as Caesar openly loves his brother and doesn't want to have the throne. Furthermore, [[spoiler: he massacres an entire village of innocent Ajin solely to get a chance to kill his brother after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it's hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses his chance at happiness.]]
** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was his favorite child but it comes across as an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and didn't bother to search for or protect her, leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never acknowledged as a grandson.]]

to:

** Cain did suffer a great deal of prejudice and neglect growing up especially after his mother's death. But his resentment of Caesar is misplaced as Caesar openly loves loved his brother and doesn't want to have actively rejected the throne. Furthermore, [[spoiler: he massacres massacred an entire village of innocent Ajin solely to get a chance to kill his brother after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it's hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses his chance at happiness.]]
** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was his favorite child but it comes across as its an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and classism and didn't bother to search for or protect her, leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never rvrn acknowledged as a grandson.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Cain did suffer a great deal of prejudice and neglect growing up especially after his mother's death. But his resentment of Caesar is misplaced as Caesar openly loves his brother and doesn't want to have the throne. Furthermore, [[spoiler: he massacres an entire village of innocent Ajin solely to get a chance to kill his brother after even after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it's hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses his chance at happiness.]]

to:

** Cain did suffer a great deal of prejudice and neglect growing up especially after his mother's death. But his resentment of Caesar is misplaced as Caesar openly loves his brother and doesn't want to have the throne. Furthermore, [[spoiler: he massacres an entire village of innocent Ajin solely to get a chance to kill his brother after even after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it's hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses his chance at happiness.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Cain suffered a great deal of prejudice and neglect growing up and his resentment of Caesar is understandable if misplaced. However [[spoiler: massacring an entire village of innocent Ajin to get a chance to kill his brother after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go is his MoralEventHorizon. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it's hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses his chance at happiness.]]

to:

** Cain suffered did suffer a great deal of prejudice and neglect growing up and especially after his mother's death. But his resentment of Caesar is understandable if misplaced. However misplaced as Caesar openly loves his brother and doesn't want to have the throne. Furthermore, [[spoiler: massacring he massacres an entire village of innocent Ajin solely to get a chance to kill his brother after even after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go is his MoralEventHorizon.go. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it's hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses his chance at happiness.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was his favorite child but it comes across as an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and didn't bother to visit or protect her leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never acknowledged as a grandson.]]

to:

** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was his favorite child but it comes across as an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and didn't bother to visit search for or protect her her, leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never acknowledged as a grandson.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Cain suffered a great deal of prejudice and neglect growing up and his resentment of Caesar is understandable if misplaced. However [[spoiler: massacring an entire village of innocent Ajin to get a chance to kill his brother after swearing to Nakaba that he would let everyone go is his MoralEventHorizon. After the atrocity he perpetrated, it's hard to feel sympathy when he's killed and he losses his chance at happiness.]]

Added: 268

Changed: 36

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: With the reveal that [[spoiler: Loki has the Time Arcana, were all the times he killed for Nakaba him being overprotective or did he use the Arcana and was faced with the choice between her death and someone else's and choose her?]]



** King Guran butchered Nakaba and Loki's home village and tried to massacre a village of Ajin simply to test some new weapons. His parenting of Cain and Caesar is non-existent and contributes to both characters emotional problems. [[spoiler: It's revealed that he killed Nakaba's village because an Arcana user predicted his beloved wife's death. However, he forced the man to predict the future on threat of death for him and his companions so BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor. And his wife was notably sick and ailing making it clear that the prediction didn't cause her death, making his atrocities MisplacedRetribution. His love for Lady Sarah also rings rather hollow since he didn't stand up for her enough to keep her title nor did he raise or stand up for her son Cain after she died. Guran comes across as a selfish, weak-willed man rather than a tragic prince who turned evil.]]

to:

** King Guran butchered Nakaba and Loki's home village and tried to ordered the massacre of a village of Ajin simply to test some new weapons. His parenting of Cain and Caesar is non-existent and contributes to both characters emotional problems. [[spoiler: It's revealed that he killed Nakaba's village because an Arcana user predicted his beloved wife's death. However, he forced the man to predict the future on threat of death for him and his companions so BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor. And his wife was notably sick and ailing making it clear that and the prediction didn't cause her death, making his atrocities MisplacedRetribution. His love for Lady Sarah also rings rather hollow since he didn't stand up for her enough to keep her title nor did he raise or stand up for her son Cain after she died. Guran comes across as a selfish, weak-willed man rather than a tragic prince who turned evil.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was her favorite but it comes across as an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and didn't bother to visit or protect her leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never acknowledged as a grandson.]]

to:

** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was her his favorite child but it comes across as an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and didn't bother to visit or protect her leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never acknowledged as a grandson.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** King Morris supposedly loved Stesha who was her favorite but it comes across as an InformedAttribute. He opposed her marriage out of racism and didn't bother to visit or protect her leaving her to her fate. His love for her also [[spoiler: never carried over to Nakaba or Loki who he respectively locked in a tower and never acknowledged as a grandson.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The manga give many character a FreudianExcuse to add to the GreyAndGreyMorality of the story and show how ultimately everyone is a victim of racism and suffering. However, some of the characters backstories can come across as too little, too late and can ring rather hollow.
** King Guran butchered Nakaba and Loki's home village and tried to massacre a village of Ajin simply to test some new weapons. His parenting of Cain and Caesar is non-existent and contributes to both characters emotional problems. [[spoiler: It's revealed that he killed Nakaba's village because an Arcana user predicted his beloved wife's death. However, he forced the man to predict the future on threat of death for him and his companions so BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor. And his wife was notably sick and ailing making it clear that the prediction didn't cause her death, making his atrocities MisplacedRetribution. His love for Lady Sarah also rings rather hollow since he didn't stand up for her enough to keep her title nor did he raise or stand up for her son Cain after she died. Guran comes across as a selfish, weak-willed man rather than a tragic prince who turned evil.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FanPreferredCouple: There is about an equal amount of Caesar/Nakaba shippers and Loki/Nakaba shippers.
** [[spoiler: And with the reveal of [[WhamEpisode Chapter 52]], this ship has been sunk. [[BrotherSisterIncest Hard.]]]]

to:

* FanPreferredCouple: There is about an equal amount of Caesar/Nakaba shippers and Loki/Nakaba shippers.
**
shippers. However see ShipSinking.
* ShipSinking: The WhamEpisode sinks the Loki/Nakaba ship hard when it's revealed that
[[spoiler: And with the reveal of [[WhamEpisode Chapter 52]], this ship has been sunk. they're actually [[BrotherSisterIncest Hard.siblings.]]]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FanPreferredCouple: There is about an equal amount of Caesar/Nakaba shippers and Loki/Nakaba shippers.
** [[spoiler: And with the reveal of [[WhamEpisode Chapter 52]], this ship has been sunk. [[BrotherSisterIncest Hard.]]]]
----

Top