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* TearJerker: The entire last third, beginning with Holden verbally abusing Alyssa to the point of tears and ''continuing'' to do so after she apologizes for not being more honest with him, continuing on through Holden's intervention with her and Banky which ultimately ends up [[NiceJobBreakingItHero destroying his relationships with both of them]] to [[spoiler:their unspoken make-up in the epilogue]].

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The entire last third, beginning with Holden verbally abusing Alyssa to the point of tears and ''continuing'' to do so after she apologizes for not being more honest with him, continuing on through Holden's intervention with her and Banky which ultimately ends up [[NiceJobBreakingItHero destroying his relationships with both of them]] to [[spoiler:their unspoken make-up in the epilogue]].epilogue]].
** Silent Bob's monologue, particularly how defeated he sounds when he says "She was [[TheOneThatGotAway the girl]]. I know that now."
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** In-universe example; Hooper insists to Banky that ComicBook/{{Archie|Comics}} and Jughead are gay lovers, while Banky insists to Hooper that Archie was "all about pussy". Later, Hooper and Banky argue about whether or not Archie was hooking up with Mr. Weatherbee.
*** Doubles as {{Foreshadowing}}: [[spoiler: Banky is very much Holden's Jughead.]]
*** Hooper's Franchise/StarWars rant is all about this, as well.
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** Holden and his whole relationship with Alyssa. [[spoiler: a man who basically stalks her, gaslights her into questioning her sexuality, and emotionally abuses her just for who she dated or experimented with. Quite aggressive, manipulative, selfish and abusive. And the audience is suppose to believe he's the hero?]]

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** Holden and his whole relationship with Alyssa. [[spoiler: a man who basically stalks her, gaslights her into questioning her sexuality, and emotionally abuses her just for who she dated or experimented with. Quite aggressive, manipulative, selfish and abusive. And the audience is suppose to believe he's the hero?]]]]

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* MemeticMutation: "FUCKING TRACER!"

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* MemeticMutation: "FUCKING TRACER!!"
** "''[[YourMom YOUR MAMA]]'' IS A
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** The "Fucking Tracer!" guy.

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** The "Fucking Tracer!" guy.guy who screams "FUCKING TRACER!!".

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* MemeticMutation: "FUCKING TRACER!"



* OneSceneWonder: Jay and Silent Bob show up eighty minutes into the movie, say their piece and leave. Their scene not only features Silent Bob's TheOneThatGotAway speech which kicks off the final act of the movie but also has some of the funniest dialogue in the movie.

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* OneSceneWonder: OneSceneWonder:
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Jay and Silent Bob show up eighty minutes into the movie, say their piece and leave. Their scene not only features Silent Bob's TheOneThatGotAway speech which kicks off the final act of the movie but also has some of the funniest dialogue in the movie.movie.
** The "Fucking Tracer!" guy.
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* IdiotPlot: By the end of the film, only two characters remain sympathetic: Banky, who started off as an idiot and becomes slightly less of one; and Hooper, who spends most of the film [[LampshadeHanging pointing out]] the idiocy of others.
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* AwardSnub: The movie was apparently only two votes away from an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Screenplay. One can only wonder what this would have done for both the film and Creator/KevinSmith's reputation.

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* AwardSnub: The movie was apparently only two votes away from an Academy Award UsefulNotes/AcademyAward nomination for Best Original Screenplay. One can only wonder what this would have done for both the film and Creator/KevinSmith's reputation.
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*** And again in [[Series/Lucifer2016 2020]].
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped:
** Your significant other is never, ever responsible for living up to your expectations in a relationship, especially if it concerns your own feelings of inadequacy, no matter how much you think you've [[DoggedNiceGuy earned it]]. Getting angry at them for these sorts of things is petty, and can destroy an otherwise good relationship if you don't deal with it in a way that's best for both of you.
** All relationships, even platonic ones, are give and take. Neglecting the feelings of your friends is just as selfish as neglecting the feelings of your romantic partner and can similarly destroy the trust you have in one another.
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** The scene where Holden stops his car to profess his love for Alyssa is a little unnerving.
** Think about it: you're an LGBT+ person alone in a car ride at night with someone going somewhere and the person driving, whom you share an IncompatibleOrientation with, pulls over, traps you in their car and gives you a love speech.
** At least all he gave her a love speech, what more [[DateRape could've possibly happened with her]] [[FridgeHorror stuck in the car with him]]?
** When Alyssa gets out of the car to hitchhike, Holden still follows after her, begging her to give him a chance.
** As {{Narm}}y as that thunder crashing was when Holden tells Alyssa "I love you", it is quite unsettling.
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** banky's nonchalant talks about how all "lesbians need a good dicking". The rape implications don't help either.

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** banky's Banky's nonchalant talks about how all "lesbians "all lesbians need a good dicking". The His rape implications don't help either.
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** Think about it, you're an LGBT+ person in a car ride at night going somewhere and the person driving whom you share an IncompatibleOrientation with pulls over, traps you in their car and gives you a love speech.
** At least all he gave her a love speech, how more could've happened with her stuck in the car with him?

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** Think about it, it: you're an LGBT+ person alone in a car ride at night with someone going somewhere and the person driving driving, whom you share an IncompatibleOrientation with with, pulls over, traps you in their car and gives you a love speech.
** At least all he gave her a love speech, how what more [[DateRape could've possibly happened with her her]] [[FridgeHorror stuck in the car with him?him]]?



** As {{Narm}}y as the thunder crashing was when Holden tells Alyssa "I love you", it is quite unsettling.
** Holden and his relationship with Alyssa. [[spoiler: a man who stalks her, gaslights her into questioning her sexuality and emotionally abuses her just for who she dated or experimented with. Quite aggressive, manipulative, selfish and abusive. And the audience is suppose to believe he's the hero?]]

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** As {{Narm}}y as the that thunder crashing was when Holden tells Alyssa "I love you", it is quite unsettling.
** Holden and his whole relationship with Alyssa. [[spoiler: a man who basically stalks her, gaslights her into questioning her sexuality sexuality, and emotionally abuses her just for who she dated or experimented with. Quite aggressive, manipulative, selfish and abusive. And the audience is suppose to believe he's the hero?]]
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** banky's nonchalant talks about how all "lesbians need a good dicking". The rape implications don't help either.
** The scene where Holden stops his car to profess his love for Alyssa is a little unnerving.
** Think about it, you're an LGBT+ person in a car ride at night going somewhere and the person driving whom you share an IncompatibleOrientation with pulls over, traps you in their car and gives you a love speech.
** At least all he gave her a love speech, how more could've happened with her stuck in the car with him?
** When Alyssa gets out of the car to hitchhike, Holden still follows after her, begging her to give him a chance.
** As {{Narm}}y as the thunder crashing was when Holden tells Alyssa "I love you", it is quite unsettling.
** Holden and his relationship with Alyssa. [[spoiler: a man who stalks her, gaslights her into questioning her sexuality and emotionally abuses her just for who she dated or experimented with. Quite aggressive, manipulative, selfish and abusive. And the audience is suppose to believe he's the hero?]]
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** When Holden and Alyssa argue in the rain as he begs her to "give it a chance" with him and she fires back at him that she doesn't want to throw her life into upheaval for him, was this because she was a lesbian and thus she had to remind him once more of their IncompatibleOrientation? [[spoiler: Or because of the social stigmas regarding bisexuality in the 1990s at the time]]?
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** When Holden [[spoiler: suggests that he, Banky and Alyssa should all have sex together and Alyssa turns him down causing Banky to shout "Thank God!", was this because Banky really didn't want to have sex, or because he wanted Holden to himself?]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: A subject of debate among viewers is whether Alyssa knew she was attracted to men but identified as a lesbian before she met Holden or if she thought she was gay and [[IfItsYouItsOkay Holden managed to convince her otherwise]]. Which interpretation you go for usually determines how much you enjoy this movie.

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A subject of debate among viewers is whether Alyssa knew she was attracted to men but identified as a lesbian before she met Holden or if she thought she was gay and [[IfItsYouItsOkay Holden managed to convince her otherwise]]. Which interpretation you go for usually determines how much you enjoy this movie.movie.
** When Banky has to remind a lovesick Holden that the woman he loves is a lesbian, is he really a genuinely concerned friend doing this? Or is Banky just an ArmouredClosetGay secretly pining for his best friend Holden and using the IncompatibleOrientation reminder as an excuse?
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* AwarsSnub: The movie was apparently only two votes away from an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Screenplay. One can only wonder what this would have done for both the film and Creator/KevinSmith's reputation.

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* AwarsSnub: AwardSnub: The movie was apparently only two votes away from an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Screenplay. One can only wonder what this would have done for both the film and Creator/KevinSmith's reputation.
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* AwardSnub: The film was apparently two votes away from an Oscar nomination for Best Original Screenplay.

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* AwardSnub: AwarsSnub: The film movie was apparently only two votes away from an Oscar Academy Award nomination for Best Original Screenplay. One can only wonder what this would have done for both the film and Creator/KevinSmith's reputation.

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** While the film still gets flack for [[NoBisexuals being vague about bisexuality]], it otherwise speaks positively to the fluidity of sexual and romantic attraction in general. Alyssa's struggles with presenting as a lesbian but being a closeted bisexual, for example, is one of the few on-screen depictions of bi-erasure and biphobia and both her promiscuity and the fact that she has to "come out" more than once would be considered less controversial and more in the field of "questioning" these days.

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** While the film still gets flack for [[NoBisexuals being vague about bisexuality]], it otherwise speaks positively to the fluidity of sexual and romantic attraction in general. In the decades following it's release and a greater recognition of LGBTQ+ voices, titles of sexual orientation have become downright arbitrary, to the point that more non-hetero people may view themselves similar to how Alyssa views herself (ie, comfortable with one label one day, then changing their mind to go by a completely different one the next) than a more binary title like homosexual.
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Alyssa's struggles with presenting as a lesbian but being a closeted bisexual, for example, is bisexual remains one of the few on-screen depictions of bi-erasure and biphobia and biphobia, both of which have become recognized as real forms of bigotry. Both her promiscuity and the fact that she has to "come out" more than once would be considered less controversial and more in the field of "questioning" these days.
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* ValuesDissonance: The bi-erasure towards Alyssa and her bisexuality. When Alyssa is forced by her friends to reveal who is she dating, they drop her when she's revealed to be dating Holden and believe she is "converted". It wouldn't be such a big deal in the 2010s in general, although some lesbian communities are still hostile to bisexuals.

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* ValuesDissonance: The bi-erasure towards Alyssa and her bisexuality. When Alyssa is forced by her Alyssa, who's friends are implied to disown her after forcing her to reveal who is she dating, they drop her when that she's revealed to be dating Holden a man and believe she is bemoan that she's been "converted". It wouldn't be such Though it's still depicted as unreasonable, it's still implied that they feel this way for ''a'' reason, even if it's not a big deal in the 2010s in general, although good one. However, while some lesbian communities are are, unfortunately, still hostile to bisexuals.bisexuals post-2010s, general audiences more enlightened to LGBTQ+ matters would find Alyssa's friends completely irredeemable.



** The movie was produced and released in an era before concepts like toxic masculinity, male entitlement, and the "[[DoggedNiceGuy nice guy]]" stereotype were as heavily politicized as they are in TheNewTens. As such, it has a lot more bite than most later works that ''do'' approach it from a socio-political standpoint.

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** The movie was produced and released in an era before concepts like toxic masculinity, male entitlement, and the "[[DoggedNiceGuy nice guy]]" stereotype were as heavily politicized as they are were in TheNewTens. As such, it it's take on these subjects has a lot more bite than most later works that ''do'' approach it from a socio-political standpoint.
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* DontShootTheMessage: As mentioned above, the film has been dismissed by those who simply don't like the implication that Kevin Smith, a cishetero man, is [[MostWritersAreMale speaking for a queer woman]].
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* ValuesDissonance: The bi-erasure towards Alyssa and her bisexuality. When Alyssa is forced by her friends to reveal who is she dating, they drop her when she's revealed to be dating Holden and believe she is "converted". Now it wouldn't be such a big deal in the 2010s.

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* ValuesDissonance: The bi-erasure towards Alyssa and her bisexuality. When Alyssa is forced by her friends to reveal who is she dating, they drop her when she's revealed to be dating Holden and believe she is "converted". Now it It wouldn't be such a big deal in the 2010s.2010s in general, although some lesbian communities are still hostile to bisexuals.
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* ValuesDissonance: The bi-erasure towards Alyssa and her bisexuality. When Alyssa is forced by her friends to reveal who is she dating, they drop her when she's revealed to be dating Holden and believe she is "converted". Now it wouldn't be such a big deal in the 2010s.
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** While the film still gets flack for [[NoBisexuals being vague about bisexuality]], it otherwise speaks positively to the fluidity of sexual and romantic attraction in general. Alyssa's struggles with presenting as a lesbian but being a closeted bisexual, for example, is one of the few on-screen depictions of bi-erasure and both her promiscuity and the fact that she has to "come out" more than once would be considered less controversial and more in the field of "questioning" these days.

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** While the film still gets flack for [[NoBisexuals being vague about bisexuality]], it otherwise speaks positively to the fluidity of sexual and romantic attraction in general. Alyssa's struggles with presenting as a lesbian but being a closeted bisexual, for example, is one of the few on-screen depictions of bi-erasure and biphobia and both her promiscuity and the fact that she has to "come out" more than once would be considered less controversial and more in the field of "questioning" these days.
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That's not an Author's Saving Throw. If anything, it's more of a Hand Wave.


* AuthorsSavingThrow: While praised for it's frank discussions on sexuality and relationships, the fact that its also a story written and directed from a cishetero man's perspective ''about'' a cishetero man's perspective of a lesbian/bisexual woman has not been without its critics. As such, Kevin Smith would later include a scene in ''Film/JayAndSilentBobReboot'' where Alyssa, who's adapting Holden's InUniverse comic book for Creator/{{Netflix}}, playfully snarks that stories about female sexuality and sexual queerness are probably best left to the people who experience these things firsthand.
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* AwardSnub: The film was apparently a nose away from an Oscar nomination for Best Original Screenplay.

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* AwardSnub: The film was apparently a nose two votes away from an Oscar nomination for Best Original Screenplay.
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** In the same scene, the argument [[NoodleIncident somehow escalated]] to Banky claiming that "Archie is not [[HotForTeacher fucking Mr. Weatherbee]]!" Then came ''Series/{{Riverdale}}'', which had a subplot of Archie getting into a sexual relationship with Ms. Grundy.

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** In the same scene, the argument [[NoodleIncident somehow escalated]] to Banky claiming that "Archie is not [[HotForTeacher fucking Mr. Weatherbee]]!" Then came ''Series/{{Riverdale}}'', which had a subplot of Archie getting into a sexual relationship with Ms. Grundy.[[note]]Though it's subverted, since "Ms. Grundy" stole someone's identity.[[/note]]
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* DontShootTheMessage: As mentioned above, the film has been dismissed by those who simply don't like the implication that a cishetero man is speaking for a woman.

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* DontShootTheMessage: As mentioned above, the film has been dismissed by those who simply don't like the implication that Kevin Smith, a cishetero man man, is [[MostWritersAreMale speaking for a woman.queer woman]].
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* DontShootTheMessage: As mentioned above, the film has been dismissed by those who simply don't like the fact that a heterosexual man so much as attempted to write a story about a queer woman.

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* DontShootTheMessage: As mentioned above, the film has been dismissed by those who simply don't like the fact implication that a heterosexual cishetero man so much as attempted to write is speaking for a story about a queer woman.
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* {{Earworm}}: The charmingly quirky "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HBPccYJuwE Tube of Wonderful]]" by [[Music/SoulAsylum Dave Pirner]], which scores the opening credits.

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