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* MisaimedMarketing: Arguable. "Guy meets bisexual-identifying-as-lesbian girl, guy loses girl because of his hangups" doesn't sell as well as "Ben Affleck meets lesbian, Ben Affleck falls for lesbian, lesbian... falls for Ben Affleck." On the other hand, sexuality only plays a passive role in the story, which is more about how it's wrong to force someone to love you on your own terms, making the film's tagline "''It's not who you love, it's how''" a perfect summary.
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**Alyssa’s friends also rightfully assume that she’s referring to Holden as “they” instead of “he” to hide the fact that she’s with a man. Nowadays it’s pretty common for lesbians to be open to dating non-binary people who use they/them pronouns and hearing a lesbian refer to a partner as such wouldn’t be cause for suspicion.
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** Holden and his whole relationship with Alyssa. [[spoiler: a man who basically stalks her, gaslights her into questioning her sexuality, and emotionally abuses her just for who she dated or experimented with. Quite aggressive, manipulative, selfish and abusive.]]

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** Holden and his whole relationship with Alyssa. [[spoiler: a A man who basically stalks her, gaslights her into questioning her sexuality, and emotionally abuses her just for who she dated or experimented with. Quite aggressive, manipulative, selfish and abusive.]]
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** Alyssa's joke about losing her virginity in a area of New Jersey with the same name as the infamous Sandy Hook School Shooting.

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** Alyssa's joke about losing her virginity in a an area of New Jersey with the same name as the infamous Sandy Hook School Shooting.
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** When Holden [[spoiler: suggests that he, Banky and Alyssa should all have sex together and Alyssa turns him down causing Banky to shout "Thank God!", was this because Banky really didn't want to have sex, or because he wanted Holden to himself?]]

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** When Holden [[spoiler: suggests that he, Banky and Alyssa should all have sex together and Alyssa turns him down causing Banky to shout "Thank God!", was this because Banky really didn't want to have sex, or because he wanted Holden to himself?]]himself? Or perhaps that he had only just been forced to confront his own homosexuality and was not quite ready to take that step?]]
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Fixing Harsher in Hindsight, since Sandy Hook is a place in New Jersey that is a US National Park and not a municipality (mainly known for its beaches)


** Alyssa's joke about losing her virginity in a town with the same name as the infamous Sandy Hook School Shooting.

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** Alyssa's joke about losing her virginity in a town area of New Jersey with the same name as the infamous Sandy Hook School Shooting.
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* ValuesDissonance: The bi-erasure towards Alyssa, who's friends are implied to disown her after forcing her to reveal that she's dating a man and bemoan that she's been "converted". Though it's still depicted as unreasonable, it's still implied that they feel this way for ''a'' reason, even if it's not a good one. However, while some lesbian communities are, unfortunately, still hostile to bisexuals post-2010s, general audiences more enlightened to LGBTQ+ matters would find Alyssa's friends completely irredeemable.

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* ValuesDissonance: The bi-erasure towards Alyssa, who's whose friends are implied to disown her after forcing her to reveal that she's dating a man and bemoan that she's been "converted". Though it's still depicted as unreasonable, it's still implied that they feel this way for ''a'' reason, even if it's not a good one. However, while some lesbian communities are, unfortunately, still hostile to bisexuals post-2010s, general audiences more enlightened to LGBTQ+ matters would find Alyssa's friends completely irredeemable.

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"Idiot Plot" is now Flame Bait. Renamed one trope.


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* IdiotPlot: By the end of the film, only two characters remain sympathetic: Banky, who started off as an idiot and becomes slightly less of one; and Hooper, who spends most of the film [[LampshadeHanging pointing out]] the idiocy of others.



** The movie was produced and released in an era before concepts like toxic masculinity, male entitlement, and the "[[DoggedNiceGuy nice guy]]" stereotype were as heavily politicized as they were in TheNewTens. As such, it's take on these subjects has a lot more bite than most later works that ''do'' approach it from a socio-political standpoint.
** While the film still gets flack for [[NoBisexuals being vague about bisexuality]], it otherwise speaks positively to the fluidity of sexual and romantic attraction in general. In the decades following it's release and a greater recognition of LGBTQ+ voices, titles of sexual orientation have become downright arbitrary, to the point that more non-hetero people may view themselves similar to how Alyssa views herself (ie, comfortable with one label one day, then changing their mind to go by a completely different one the next) than a more binary title like homosexual.

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** The movie was produced and released in an era before concepts like toxic masculinity, male entitlement, and the "[[DoggedNiceGuy nice guy]]" stereotype were as heavily politicized as they were in TheNewTens. As such, it's its take on these subjects has a lot more bite than most later works that ''do'' approach it from a socio-political standpoint.
** While the film still gets flack for [[NoBisexuals being vague about bisexuality]], it otherwise speaks positively to the fluidity of sexual and romantic attraction in general. In the decades following it's its release and a greater recognition of LGBTQ+ voices, titles of sexual orientation have become downright arbitrary, to the point that more non-hetero people may view themselves similar to how Alyssa views herself (ie, comfortable with one label one day, then changing their mind to go by a completely different one the next) than a more binary title like homosexual.



* TheWoobie: Poor Alyssa really gets put through the wringer once Holden comes into her life. She's [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset guilt-tripped into coming out as bi]] when he won't accept that she doesn't reciprocate his feelings for her. Doing so costs her several lesbian friends, who consider her a CategoryTraitor, and to repay her for this selfless act, Holden [[SlutShaming slut shames]] her. In public. Despite putting everything she can into their relationship, repeatedly telling Holden that she just wants to be with him, it all ends up being for naught as he's too [[{{Pride}} proud]] to accept it. You just want to give the poor girl a hug (and possibly beat the shit out of Holden) by the end.

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* TheWoobie: Poor Alyssa really gets put through the wringer once Holden comes into her life. She's [[ForcedOutOfTheCloset guilt-tripped into coming out as bi]] when he won't accept that she doesn't reciprocate his feelings for her. Doing so costs her several lesbian friends, who consider her a CategoryTraitor, and to repay her for this selfless act, Holden [[SlutShaming slut shames]] {{slut sham|ing}}es her. In public. Despite putting everything she can into their relationship, repeatedly telling Holden that she just wants to be with him, it all ends up being for naught as he's too [[{{Pride}} proud]] {{pr|ide}}oud to accept it. You just want to give the poor girl a hug (and possibly beat the shit out of Holden) by the end.

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