Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / BrowsHeldHigh

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
The implication of this trope is that this does NOT improve the presentation of these topics.


* {{Anvilicious}}/SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: While never one to shy away from sharing his socio-political opinions, most of Kyle's post-2016 videos ramp up his vocalizations on social injustice, feminism, bigotry and political corruption, usually in the form of a OncePerEpisode gags where the video will come to a screeching halt just so he can passive-aggressively state his opinions on something. YMMV on whether or not these gags are funny, even if you agree with them, or if the whole thing just comes off as a tantrum of WhiteGuilt.

to:

* {{Anvilicious}}/SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: {{Anvilicious}}: While never one to shy away from sharing his socio-political opinions, opinions and plenty capable of [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped being unsubtle in a way that helps his point]], most of Kyle's post-2016 videos ramp up his vocalizations on social injustice, feminism, bigotry and political corruption, usually in to the form of a point that he'll sometimes outright stop his videos OncePerEpisode gags where the video will come to a screeching halt just so he can passive-aggressively state his opinions on something. YMMV on whether or not it works as a tongue-in-cheek way of showing how passionate he is about these gags are funny, even if you agree with them, topics or if the whole thing just comes off as a tantrum of WhiteGuilt.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** His video "From [[Film/TheCabinetOfDrCaligari Caligari]] to [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]]: Imagining the Tyrant" ends with a lengthy montage of popular works from contemporary American pop culture, demonstrating that authoritarian themes and imagery are surprisingly common in popular American works. One of the many characters shown in the montage is Daenerys Targaryen from ''Series/GameOfThrones''. After the infamous ending of the final season, it now looks like she was a more fitting choice than most fans would have imagined.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Internet Backdraft is now Flame Bait and being dewicked per TRS.


* InternetBackdraft:
** His review of ''The Girlfriend Experience'' was accused of slut-shaming, misogyny, and overall bad taste, resulting in Kyle taking it down from TGWTG and only having a version with commentary up.
** Again when he posted "Shit TGWTG Fans Say," in which one of the guests stated their vocal hatred of "Rants," the admin of a Postsecret-style fanblog. He couldn't even put it up on the site before he was compelled to tear it down, and by then it had already caused disquiet amidst the reviewers. Other people, however, were able to look past the joke and put the video up on Website/YouTube- it appears as the first video result of searching TGWTG's acronym. On there, many people found the video hilarious, as it was an accurate portrayal of the fanbase.
*** Specifically, though, the problem was that nobody actually knew that the guest in question was talking about a specific person rather than "I hate rants" (and was actually having a conversation and wasn't aware the camera was running at the time- ie. they were talking about Rants and other fans offscreen; Kyle found out later while editing and decided to add it to the video). Rants ''himself'' found the video hilarious... then Kyle dropped into the forum and mocked him for not getting that they were actually talking about him. ''Many'' people found it mean spirited, especially when it turned out Rants was a ''teenager'' (and was new to the Admin job, which was seemingly what they were complaining about- that he wasn't doing a good job); Kyle ended up apologising to Rants (who accepted and said everybody should move on) and later Ven came in and admitted that this sort of thing was the result of a bunch of student / postgrad age reviewers drinking together and making stupid mistakes in consequence.
** Kyle's review of ''Mr. Nobody'' kept getting zealous defense from fans of the film, ultimately leading to Kyle disabling comments and renaming his review: "Mr. Nobody is a Bad Movie and Please Stop Trying to Convince Me Otherwise". [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity It also made it the second most viewed video on his YouTube channel]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Anvilicious}}: While never one to shy away from sharing his socio-political opinions, most of Kyle's post-2016 videos ramp up his vocalizations on social injustice, feminism, bigotry and political corruption, usually in the form of a OncePerEpisode gags where the video will come to a screeching halt just so he can passive-aggressively state his opinions on something. YMMV on whether or not these gags are funny, even if you agree with them, or if the whole thing just comes off as a tantrum of WhiteGuilt.

to:

* {{Anvilicious}}: {{Anvilicious}}/SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: While never one to shy away from sharing his socio-political opinions, most of Kyle's post-2016 videos ramp up his vocalizations on social injustice, feminism, bigotry and political corruption, usually in the form of a OncePerEpisode gags where the video will come to a screeching halt just so he can passive-aggressively state his opinions on something. YMMV on whether or not these gags are funny, even if you agree with them, or if the whole thing just comes off as a tantrum of WhiteGuilt.

Added: 623

Changed: 228

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CrossesTheLineTwice: Kyle's conversation with the NATO representative at the end of his review of ''Film/ASerbianFilm''. Hearing Kyle demand that NATO wipe out Serbia is a little uncomfortable at first... until you get to the "fictional bombs" part.

to:

* CrossesTheLineTwice: CrossesTheLineTwice:
***
Kyle's conversation with the NATO representative at the end of his review of ''Film/ASerbianFilm''. Hearing Kyle demand that NATO wipe out Serbia is a little uncomfortable at first... until you get to the "fictional bombs" part.


Added DiffLines:

** His crossover with Diamanda in ''Eat the Schoolgirl'' features a lot of this, being more in line with Hagan's dark comedy. In particular, Hagan starting the review having castrated him, his inappropriate use of the ''Jem'' theme song, and him having a breakdown and attempting to turn Hagan into a snail because of an InsaneTrollLogic rant where he condemned her for having a god-complex.

Changed: 448

Removed: 194

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** In his video on Omkara, he talks about India's moving past the caste system, but shows that the caste system still inspires violence, sarcastically summarizing the situation as, "Basically, caste is no longer a problem in India in the same way that race is no longer a problem in America." Eleven days later, a white supremacist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting murdered nine black people]], including the minister and a state senator, at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church after explicit declaration of wanting to kill black people.
*** That might simply add to his point. Just as mainstream America fancies itself as being "postracial" or that we "no longer see color," India's caste-based hatred is only superficially buried.

to:

** In his video on Omkara, he talks about India's mentions India moving past the caste system, but shows that the caste system is really nothing more than [[MeetTheNewBoss superficially burying]] it and that it still inspires violence, sarcastically summarizing unfavorably comparing it to the situation as, "Basically, idea of "postracial" America and how caste is no it "no longer a problem in India in the same way that race is no longer a problem in America." Eleven days later, his point was unfortunately proven beyond a shadow of a doubt when a white supremacist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting murdered nine black people]], including the minister and a state senator, at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church after explicit declaration of wanting to kill black people.
*** That might simply add to his point. Just as mainstream America fancies itself as being "postracial" or that we "no longer see color," India's caste-based hatred is only superficially buried.
people.



** The "By the way, shooting the fourth anniversary movie was a blast." joke mentioned in BitingTheHandHumor becomes a lot harsher after the Website/ChannelAwesome 2018 Google Document, which went into great detail on how Creator/DougWalker's lack of expertise and unwillingness to learn from more experienced directors/producers made shooting said movie an extremely unpleasant experience.
** His own changing opinions about racism and social injustice, as well as judging others for their taste in art and entertainment, made the title of the show itself awkward once he discovered that the term "highbrow" had blatantly racist origins.[[note]]It's rooted in phrenology, an oft-debunked pseudoscience which claims that the shape of one's skull is directly related to their intelligence, basically as a way to "prove" that white people are intellectually superior.[[/note]]

to:

** The In one video he sarcastically remarks "By the way, shooting the fourth anniversary movie was a blast." joke mentioned in BitingTheHandHumor becomes a lot harsher after At first it just seemed like BitingTheHandHumor, but as the Website/ChannelAwesome 2018 Google Document, which went into great detail on how Document detailed, Creator/DougWalker's lack of expertise and unwillingness to learn from more experienced directors/producers made shooting said movie an extremely unpleasant experience.
much worse than had previously been believed.
** His own changing opinions about racism and social injustice, as well as judging others for their taste in art and entertainment, made the title of the show itself awkward once he discovered that the term "highbrow" had blatantly has racist origins.[[note]]It's rooted in phrenology, an oft-debunked pseudoscience which claims that the shape of one's skull is directly related to their intelligence, basically as a way to "prove" that white people are intellectually superior.[[/note]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** His own changing opinions about racism and social injustice made the title of the show itself awkward once he discovered that the term "highbrow" had blatantly racist origins.[[note]]It's rooted in phrenology, an oft-debunked pseudoscience which claims that the shape of one's skull is directly related to their intelligence, basically as a way to "prove" that white people are intellectually superior.[[/note]]

to:

** His own changing opinions about racism and social injustice injustice, as well as judging others for their taste in art and entertainment, made the title of the show itself awkward once he discovered that the term "highbrow" had blatantly racist origins.[[note]]It's rooted in phrenology, an oft-debunked pseudoscience which claims that the shape of one's skull is directly related to their intelligence, basically as a way to "prove" that white people are intellectually superior.[[/note]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Anvilicious}}: While never one to shy away from sharing his socio-political opinions, most of Kyle's post-2016 videos ramp up his vocalizations on social injustice, feminism, bigotry and political corruption, usually in the form of a OncePerEpisode gags where the video will just come to a screeching halt just so he can passive-aggressively state his opinions on something. YMMV on whether or not these gags are funny, even if you agree with them, or if the whole thing just comes off as a tantrum of WhiteGuilt.

to:

* {{Anvilicious}}: While never one to shy away from sharing his socio-political opinions, most of Kyle's post-2016 videos ramp up his vocalizations on social injustice, feminism, bigotry and political corruption, usually in the form of a OncePerEpisode gags where the video will just come to a screeching halt just so he can passive-aggressively state his opinions on something. YMMV on whether or not these gags are funny, even if you agree with them, or if the whole thing just comes off as a tantrum of WhiteGuilt.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* {{Anvilicious}}: While never one to shy away from sharing his socio-political opinions, most of Kyle's post-2016 videos ramp up his vocalizations on social injustice, feminism, bigotry and political corruption, usually in the form of a OncePerEpisode gags where the video will just come to a screeching halt just so he can passive-aggressively state his opinions on something. YMMV on whether or not these gags are funny, even if you agree with them, or if the whole thing just comes off as a tantrum of WhiteGuilt.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Applies to the name of ''Brows Held High'' itself, as he learned that the phrase Highbrow came from Phrenology, which was largely about proving some...un-fun attitudes.

to:

** Applies to His own changing opinions about racism and social injustice made the name title of ''Brows Held High'' itself, as the show itself awkward once he learned discovered that the phrase Highbrow came from Phrenology, term "highbrow" had blatantly racist origins.[[note]]It's rooted in phrenology, an oft-debunked pseudoscience which was largely about proving some...un-fun attitudes.claims that the shape of one's skull is directly related to their intelligence, basically as a way to "prove" that white people are intellectually superior.[[/note]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* NeverLiveItDown: It's likely [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment some]] will not forgive him for the "[[FanHater I really]] [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] [[FanHater hate Rants]]" comment in the ''Sh*t TGWTG Fans Say'' video.

to:

* NeverLiveItDown: It's likely [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment some]] will not forgive him for the "[[FanHater I really]] [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] [[FanHater hate Rants]]" comment in the ''Sh*t TGWTG Fans Say'' video.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Applies to the name of ''Brows Held High'' itself, as he learned that the phrase Highbrow came from Phrenology, which was largely about proving some...un-fun attitudes.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
that quote was sarcasm, he didn't genuinely believe it


** In his video on Omkara, he talks about India's moving past the caste system, but shows that the caste system still inspires violence, summarizing the situation as, "Basically, caste is no longer a problem in India in the same way that race is no longer a problem in America." Eleven days later, a white supremacist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting murdered nine black people]], including the minister and a state senator, at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church after explicit declaration of wanting to kill black people.

to:

** In his video on Omkara, he talks about India's moving past the caste system, but shows that the caste system still inspires violence, sarcastically summarizing the situation as, "Basically, caste is no longer a problem in India in the same way that race is no longer a problem in America." Eleven days later, a white supremacist [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting murdered nine black people]], including the minister and a state senator, at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church after explicit declaration of wanting to kill black people.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** In his reviews of ''Sebastiane'' he claims that the homoerotic content bores him because he doesn't feel attracted to men. Flashforward to 2018 and he came out as bisexual.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The "By the way, shooting the fourth anniversary movie was a blast." joke mentioned in BitingTheHandHumor becomes a lot harsher after the Channel Awesome 2018 Google Document, which went into great detail on how Doug Walker's lack of expertise and unwillingness to learn from more experienced directors/producers made shooting said movie an extremely unpleasant experience.

to:

** The "By the way, shooting the fourth anniversary movie was a blast." joke mentioned in BitingTheHandHumor becomes a lot harsher after the Channel Awesome Website/ChannelAwesome 2018 Google Document, which went into great detail on how Doug Walker's Creator/DougWalker's lack of expertise and unwillingness to learn from more experienced directors/producers made shooting said movie an extremely unpleasant experience.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The opening theme. It's called ''Procession of the Nobles'' by Rimsky-Korsakov. Also qualifies as AwesomeMusic.

to:

** The opening theme. It's called ''Procession of the Nobles'' by Rimsky-Korsakov. Also qualifies as AwesomeMusic.SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* CriticalResearchFailure: In his video on Creator/GuyRitchie's ''Film/{{Revolver}}'', he refers to Vincent Pastore at one point as "Sal from ''Series/TheSopranos''". While Pastore's character in ''The Sopranos'' is legally named "Salvatore Bonpensiero", ''nobody'' in the main cast calls him "Sal"; he [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname always]] goes by his Mob nickname "Big Pussy", or just plain "Pussy" for short.[[note]] It's "Pussy" as in "Pussycat", since he got his start as a cat burglar[[/note]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HeReallyCanAct: ''Melancholia.'' For both Kyle and his emotional turmoil and Ven as his {{Foil}} at the end.

to:

* HeReallyCanAct: SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: ''Melancholia.'' For both Kyle and his emotional turmoil and Ven as his {{Foil}} at the end.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The "By the way, shooting the fourth anniversary movie was a blast." joke mentioned in BitingTheHandHumor becomes a lot harsher after the Channel Awesome 2018 Google Document dedicated quite a bit of time how Doug Walker's lack of expertise and unwillingness to learn from more experienced directors/producers made shooting said movie an extremely unpleasant experience.

to:

** The "By the way, shooting the fourth anniversary movie was a blast." joke mentioned in BitingTheHandHumor becomes a lot harsher after the Channel Awesome 2018 Google Document dedicated quite a bit of time Document, which went into great detail on how Doug Walker's lack of expertise and unwillingness to learn from more experienced directors/producers made shooting said movie an extremely unpleasant experience.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** The "By the way, shooting the fourth anniversary movie was a blast." joke mentioned in BitingTheHandHumor becomes a lot harsher after the Channel Awesome 2018 Google Document dedicated quite a bit of time how Doug Walker's lack of expertise and unwillingness to learn from more experienced directors/producers made shooting said movie an extremely unpleasant experience.

Added: 1330

Changed: 511

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AuthorsSavingThrow: The first episode of the ''La Belle et La Bete'' was mostly well-received, but some disliked it for feeling it made Kyle seem like he was wiser than all his other fellow reviewers, especially WebVideo/SomeJerkWithACamera. This wasn't Kyle or Tony's intention (the latter who [[SelfDeprecation wrote much of his "immature" scenes himself]]), but the following two episodes thus put them on more equal footing, with introducing Kyle's flaw of being pretentious in contrast to Tony's demand for mainstream appeal.

to:

* AuthorsSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow:
**
The first episode of the ''La Belle et La Bete'' was mostly well-received, but some disliked it for feeling it made Kyle seem like he was wiser than all his other fellow reviewers, especially WebVideo/SomeJerkWithACamera. This wasn't Kyle or Tony's intention (the latter who [[SelfDeprecation wrote much of his "immature" scenes himself]]), but the following two episodes thus put them on more equal footing, with introducing Kyle's flaw of being pretentious in contrast to Tony's demand for mainstream appeal.appeal.
** His episode on ''A Midsummer Night's Cream'' (the porn parody of ''Theatre/AMidsummerNightsDream'') is practically a public apology for his earlier episode on ''The Girlfriend Experience'', which is one of his {{Old Shame}}s. Kyle (an outspoken progressive feminist) apparently deeply regrets his mockery of pornstar Sasha Grey's acting ability in ''The Girlfriend Experience'', not to mention a few lines in his review that could be construed as slut-shaming. [[note]] The video was made early in his career, when he often indulged in AlterEgoActing as a pompous InsufferableGenius[[/note]] In the latter review, he tries (read: ''tries'') to avoid making an ObligatoryJoke about pornstars being horrible at acting, acknowledging that they work in a tough industry and deserve just as much respect as anyone else.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** The most interesting thing about the gag? He asks WebVideo/ObscurusLupa and Hagan if they're really women (Lupa glares at him while Diamanda wonders why people keep asking her that), but doesn't ask JO the same question.

Added: 155

Removed: 155

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** During his review of the 2006 movie ''The Exterminating Angels'', he congratulates everyone who thought this would be a review of the Luis Bunuel movie.



** During his review of the 2006 movie ''The Exterminating Angels'', he congratulates everyone who thought this would be a review of the Luis Bunuel movie.

Changed: 280

Removed: 1301

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Let's not objectify real people


* CargoShip: Oancitizen+Trashcan FOREVER!!!
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Oancitizen's conversation with the NATO representative at the end of his review of ''Film/ASerbianFilm''. Hearing Oan demand that NATO wipe out Serbia is a little uncomfortable at first... until you get to the "fictional bombs" part.

to:

* CargoShip: Oancitizen+Trashcan FOREVER!!!
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Oancitizen's Kyle's conversation with the NATO representative at the end of his review of ''Film/ASerbianFilm''. Hearing Oan Kyle demand that NATO wipe out Serbia is a little uncomfortable at first... until you get to the "fictional bombs" part.



** During the ''Exterminating Angels'' review, Oancitizen mocks the incomprehensible radio messages by replying with what sounds like trucker slang; one of these phrases refers to "[[Film/UnChienAndalou an Andalusian doggie]]".

to:

** During the ''Exterminating Angels'' review, Oancitizen Kyle mocks the incomprehensible radio messages by replying with what sounds like trucker slang; one of these phrases refers to "[[Film/UnChienAndalou an Andalusian doggie]]".



* NightmareFuel: Many of the films Oancitizen has reviewed are immensely disturbing, even if he doesn't show most of the more graphic scenes. The fact that Kyle provides more insight and far fewer jokes in his reviews compared to other TGWTG contributors doesn't help.

to:

* NightmareFuel: Many of the films Oancitizen Kyle has reviewed are immensely disturbing, even if he doesn't show most of the more graphic scenes. The fact that Kyle provides more insight and far fewer jokes in his reviews compared to other TGWTG contributors doesn't help.



* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ven. [[note]](Who uses masculine pronouns, by the way.)[[/note]]
* TheWoobie: Considering he subjects himself to so many horrible things, Oancitizen is often the first to cry. ''Alice'' makes him break down in tears of terror, and ''The Fall'' causes him to cry inky mascara tears, [[FridgeLogic even though he wasn't actually wearing any makeup at the time]]. Not to mention he suffers through so many disturbing films. You just want to give him a hug.
** You want to give Kyle a hug during the ''Melancholia'' review, in which he pretty much bares his soul to the audience about his acting aspirations, how leaving theater made him feel alone, how insecure he is about whether his job as an internet critic means anything, and how at 25 he still hasn't "accomplished" anything. Far from the humorous, overacted disturbances he feels at the hands of the movies he picks, he feels really damn upset here, and that [[spoiler:makes it ''very'' satisfying when he comes out the other end okay with himself and what he does]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** Also, when they were talking about the upcoming ''Film/BeautyAndTheBeast2017'', they mentioned the project with Creator/EmmaWatson and Creator/GuillermoDelToro was supposed to direct, then said that Disney was "doing some bullshit." Turns out, the version with Emma Watson was Disney's.

to:

*** Also, when they were talking about the upcoming ''Film/BeautyAndTheBeast2017'', they mentioned the project with Creator/EmmaWatson and Creator/GuillermoDelToro was supposed to direct, then said that Disney was "doing some bullshit." Turns out, the version with Emma Watson was Disney's. How good that one was though is up for debate.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** Also, when they were talking about the upcoming Live-Action versions of ''WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast'', they mentioned the project with Creator/EmmaWatson and Creator/GuillermoDelToro was supposed to direct, then said that Disney was "doing some bullshit." Turns out, the version with Emma Watson was Disney's.

to:

*** Also, when they were talking about the upcoming Live-Action versions of ''WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast'', ''Film/BeautyAndTheBeast2017'', they mentioned the project with Creator/EmmaWatson and Creator/GuillermoDelToro was supposed to direct, then said that Disney was "doing some bullshit." Turns out, the version with Emma Watson was Disney's.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** In his first take on ''Film/{{Gerry}}'', Kyle refers to Creator/CaseyAffleck as "[[Creator/BenAffleck in a relationship to an Academy Award-winning actor]]". Years later, Casey would get his own Best Actor win for ''Film/ManchesterByTheSea''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Not YMMV


* TooSoon: Several viewers thought it was inappropriate when he ended the ''A Serbian Film'' review with a joke about calling NATO and asking them to bomb Serbia again.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Could be HilariousInHindsight, but [[https://twitter.com/KyleKallgren/status/794288189305475072 Kyle himself would disagree]]: in ''Pinocchio'', Kyle compares Benigni goofing around with an Italian politician to Jimmy Fallon and Newt Gingrich. Come 2016, and Fallon is messing with then-candidate Trump's hair.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Could be HilariousInHindsight, but [[https://twitter.com/KyleKallgren/status/794288189305475072 Kyle himself would disagree]]: in ''Pinocchio'', Kyle compares Benigni goofing around with an Italian politician to Jimmy Fallon and Newt Gingrich. Come 2016, and Fallon is messing with then-candidate Trump's hair.

Top