History YMMV / BeastThePrimordial

** After complains about Heroes being portrayed as one-dimensional strawmen, the final version of the book got a small paragraph establishing that yes, good Heroes who actually listen to reason, hunt down only malevolent supernaturals and help humanity in an actually productive way ''do'' exist- they just rarely cross paths with Beasts because they resist the urge to hunt them down, and as such aren't mentioned here (suggesting we might get a separate book about them later).

** Beasts are a race of mythical monsters in human skin, and even from birth have the urge to dominate, destroy, and devour. That instinct comes packaged with a human conscience, and even after Homecoming [[ThenLetMeBeEvil and their imminent acceptance they've never been really human]], it remains. To make it worse, following their urges actually is the ''best'' option, as if they don't feed, their Soul will take the initiative and MindRape humans in their dreams, weither the Beasts themselves want it or not. Quite simply, they're what happens when an AlwaysChaoticEvil species is aware of what they are, and ''hate'' it.

** Beasts are a race of mythical monsters in human skin, and even from birth have the urge to dominate, destroy, and devour. That instinct comes packaged with a human conscience, and even after Homecoming [[ThenLetMeBeEvil and their imminent acceptance they've never been really human]], it remains. To make it worse, following their urges actually is the ''best'' option, as if they don't feed, their Soul will take the initiative and MindRape humans in their dreams, weither they like it or not. Quite simply, they're what happens when an AlwaysChaoticEvil species is aware of what they are, and ''hate'' it.

** Beasts are a race of mythical monsters in human skin, and even from birth have the urge to dominate, destroy, and devour. That instinct comes packaged with a human conscience, and even after Homecoming [[ThenLetMeBeEvil and their imminent acceptance they've never been really human]], it remains. Quite simply, they're what happens when an AlwaysChaoticEvil species is aware of what they are, and ''hate'' it.

* FanficFuel: Beasts have an entire set of rules specifically designed to cooperate with other supernaturals in order to encourage crossovers, which can be fun to try adapting to fan-supplements. After all, wouldn't you be interested to think about how Beasts would interact with [[TabletopGame/GeniusTheTransgression Geniuses]], [[TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful Princesses]], [[TabletopGame/LeviathanTheTempest Leviathan]]?

* FanficFuel: Beasts have an entire set of rules specifically designed to cooperate with other supernaturals in order to encourage crossovers. Meaning fans can have fun developping how exactly Kinship works with protagonists from the fan-supplements.

* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The fact that a game of Beast ultimate boils down to "you're a living nightmare who exists to terrorize and mentally scar others, whether you want to or not" drives away many potential players in its own right. With the addition of things like the "teach them through fear" angle of the corebook, it only makes things worse.

** The Begotten's mythical background and claiming other monsters as their kin has led to either praising for opening tons of potential for crossovers, or complaints of their personal mythology lacking personal identity and being a bit overbearing.

*** Often made worse by observations that, if this is the case, it's a fundamentally BrokenAesop, since Beasts ''are'' monsters and ''do'' terrorize people just by existing. Although it should be noted that heroes are created by -- and find it easier to locate -- Beasts with ''consistently low'' Satiety. I.e. the ones who have done ''less'' to victimize people in order to feed and have held off feeding for so long that they have ''starved'' their Soul and forced it to go hunting on its own. Truly monstrous Beasts, on the other hand, are less likely to trip the hero's radar.
** Early versions of the backer draft seemed to focus heavily on HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, with many people reading Beasts as an allegory for gays and transsexuals... which many readers felt lead to UnfortunateImplications given the intensely harmful and destructive nature of Beasts. The authors revised it to remove this implication (among other changes), saying it was unintentional, but...
** ...this naturally caused its own BrokenBase, since some people had bought into Beast specifically ''because'' they saw it as relevant to such issues. Where previously a human became a Beast by accepting the Beastly Soul they always had, coming into touch with their true nature, now they agree to have their souls devoured and replaced by a Beastly Horror. Then there's the argument of whether Beasts' new cultural belief that their purpose is to teach wisdom through fear is a great way to make them more sympathetic than petty dicks hurting people to feed their Hunger or just gives them a new mandate to hurt people. In general the changes lead to a further multi-way BrokenBase between people who felt the changes adequately addressed the initial complaints, people who felt it didn't go far enough, people who felt the changes were unnecessary in the first place, and people who felt the changes entirely missed the point.

* FanonDiscontinuity: Beast has, sadly, attained the dishonorable distinction of being held up as ''the worst gameline in the Chronicles of Darkness'', earning vehement scorn and vicious critique. To put things in perspective, Onyx Path Publishing has had to make "please do not post threads complaining about Beast" an official rule for their forums, players are that dissatisfied with the game.

** The Begotten's mythical background and claiming other monsters as their kin has led to complaints of their personal mythology lacking personal identity and being a bit overbearing.

* DracoInLeatherPants / RonTheDeathEater: Heroes and Beasts have ''both'' received both treatments from fans already, though it tends to be more likely to be Hero = Draco and Beast = Ron.

** Heroes being the ''gameline's'' DesignatedVillain (as opposed to InUniverse, where they are the DesignatedHero) has struck a lot of players as wrong, due to the fact that Heroes are always mentally broken to begin with and can only be created by a Beast's starvation-induced depredations.

** The Above AuthorsSavingThrow has caused its own BrokenBase, mostly due to the changes made to the Beasts' origins. Where previously a human became a Beast by accepting the Beastly Soul they always had, now they agree to have their souls devoured and replaced by a Beastly Horror. Then there's the argument of whether Beasts' new cultural belief that their purpose is to teach wisdom through fear is a great way to make them more sympathetic than petty dicks hurting people to feed their Hunger or just gives them a new mandate to hurt people.

*** Often made worse by observations that, if this is the case, it's a fundamentally BrokenAesop, since Beasts ''are'' monsters and ''do'' terrorize people just by existing.
*** Although it should be noted that heroes are created by - and find it easier to locate - beasts with ''low'' satiety. I.e. the ones who have done ''less'' to victimize people in order to feed. Truly monstrous beasts, on the other hand, are less likely to trip the hero's radar.

** The Above AuthorsSavingThrow has caused it's own BrokenBase as Drastic Changes have been made to Beasts Origins, making them so that they chose to be a monster, which really taints the perspective on them from and puts them in a negative light. The fact that the change to Beasts' origins were completely unnecessary and really feel like an excuse to shoehorn in part of a social structure that could have fit into the old paradigm with minor adjustments. The fact that Beasts now have a built in motivation, "Spreading Fear to teach humans lessons" now means that they are mandated to cause harm when before they were not and would force you to build a character either around that theme or in rejection of it is also seen as an unnecessary limitation. And Changing "Soul" to "Horror" was not well accepted. Hope are that the finished product will take only the good things from the revision and otherwise be like the initial draft.

** Heroes being the ''gameline's'' DesignatedVillain (as opposed to InUniverse, where they are the DesignatedHero) has struck a lot of players as wrong, due to the apparent lack of free will in the process.

** Heroes being the ''gameline's'' DesignatedVillain (as opposed to InUniverse, where they are the DesignatedHero) has struck a lot of players as wrong. This was particularly bad when some of the core details about how Heroes are made and why they're more dangerous than the Beasts was unavailable, but even with the release, many still think Heroes don't deserve to be "the bad guys" or even the dismissive tone they are talked about by Beasts... which completely misses the point that ''Heroes are obsessively driven to murder Beasts''; naturally, Beasts aren't going to talk about them in a very positive manner.
** At the same time, Beasts have come under fire with accusations of being the DesignatedHero, since, y'know, they're both the player characters ''and'' living nightmares that can either scare people on their own terms or just cause people around them to suffer chronic nightmares.
** The Begotten's mythical background and claiming other monsters as their kin has led to complaints of their having the "true ancestry" of the World of Darkness, even though developers have emphasized that the Beast's metaphysical stories are what they ''believe'', not what is necessarily true.

* BrokenBase: The fact that the antagonists are named Heroes, the flippantly irreverent dismissal they have been mentioned with (in passing) by the developers, and MoralDissonance stemming from the fact that the only known method of Hero creation is as a side effect of a Beast's depredations, and the fan community is very split about the Heroes.

* BrokenBase: The fact that the antagonists are named Heroes, the flippantly irreverent dismissal they have been mentioned with (in passing) by the developers, and MoralDissonance stemming from the fact that the only known method of Hero creation is as a side effect of a Beast's depredations, and the fan community is very split about the Heroes.

* BrokenBase: The fact that the antagonists are named Heroes, the flippantly irreverent dismissal they have been mentioned with (in passing) by the developers, and MoralDissonance stemming from the fact that the only known method of Hero creation is as a side-effect of a Beast's depredations, and the fan community is very split about the Heroes.