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* AlasPoorVillain: Michael Emerson already showed himself to be a master of this on ''Series/{{Lost}}'', and Cayden ends up as a very pitiable figure who was only ever a pawn whose grief was manipulated.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Weirdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her wrath.
** Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Weirdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her wrath.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
**UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Weirdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her wrath.
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* {{HSQ}}: Diaz is the one who killed Owen and has been the ''true'' BigBad of Season Six all along, just like initial press releases said he would be.
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* ShockingMoments: Diaz is the one who killed Owen and has been the ''true'' BigBad of Season Six all along, just like initial press releases said he would be.
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* MagnificentBastard: Diaz has been playing ''everyone'' like a fiddle, all so he could take control of the city.
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* AssPull: The crew was completely open about how they planned for Cayden James to be the true BigBad through the whole season, but then Michael Emerson refused to stay that long, so they had to quickly come up with a way for him to be replaced, and luckily Ricardo Diaz's underdevelopment gave them an opportunity for a plausible if not quite believable exit for James.
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* AssPull: The crew was completely open about how they planned for Cayden James to be the true BigBad through the whole season, but then Michael Emerson refused to stay that long, so they had to quickly come up with a way for him to be replaced, and luckily Ricardo Diaz's underdevelopment gave them an opportunity for a plausible if not quite believable exit for James.
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* AssPull: The crew was completely open about how they planned for Cayden James to be the true BigBad through the whole season, but then Michael Emerson refused to stay that long, so they had to quickly come up with a way for him to be replaced.
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* AssPull: The crew was completely open about how they planned for Cayden James to be the true BigBad through the whole season, but then Michael Emerson refused to stay that long, so they had to quickly come up with a way for him to be replaced.replaced, and luckily Ricardo Diaz's underdevelopment gave them an opportunity for a plausible if not quite believable exit for James.
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* AssPull: The crew was completely open about how they planned for Cayden James to be the true BigBad through the whole season, but then Michael Emerson refused to stay that long, so they had to quickly come up with a way for him to be replaced.
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You know what? I'm going to hope the writers *do* expect us to see this as wrong, which is covered under Sanity Slippage on the main recap page.
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** Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Weirdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her wrath.
** Quentin's actions at the end, where he handcuffs the doppelgänger of his daughter in the back of his car because he "sees some good in her", [[https://www.avclub.com/a-good-performance-makes-a-disappointing-arrow-4-8-15-1-1822860304 can been seen]] as quite disturbing, though it's also possible the writers ''want'' us [[SanitySlippage to feel this way about Quentin]].
** Quentin's actions at the end, where he handcuffs the doppelgänger of his daughter in the back of his car because he "sees some good in her", [[https://www.avclub.com/a-good-performance-makes-a-disappointing-arrow-4-8-15-1-1822860304 can been seen]] as quite disturbing, though it's also possible the writers ''want'' us [[SanitySlippage to feel this way about Quentin]].
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** Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Weirdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her wrath.
** Quentin's actions at the end, where he handcuffs the doppelgänger of his daughter in the back of his car because he "sees some good in her", [[https://www.avclub.com/a-good-performance-makes-a-disappointing-arrow-4-8-15-1-1822860304 can been seen]] as quite disturbing, though it's also possible the writers ''want'' us [[SanitySlippage to feel this way about Quentin]].wrath.
** Quentin's actions at the end, where he handcuffs the doppelgänger of his daughter in the back of his car because he "sees some good in her", [[https://www.avclub.com/a-good-performance-makes-a-disappointing-arrow-4-8-15-1-1822860304 can been seen]] as quite disturbing, though it's also possible the writers ''want'' us [[SanitySlippage to feel this way about Quentin]].
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* MoralEventHorizon: Dinah attacks Quentin not once but ''twice'' when he tries to stop her from killing Laurel.
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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
** Dinah attacks Quentin not once but ''twice'' when he tries to stop her from killingLaurel.Laurel.
** It turns out Diaz crossed this long ago, when [[WouldHurtAChild he hired Carl Iskov to kill a teenager]], simply because he knew the effect it would have on his father and sought to exploit that.
** Dinah attacks Quentin not once but ''twice'' when he tries to stop her from killing
** It turns out Diaz crossed this long ago, when [[WouldHurtAChild he hired Carl Iskov to kill a teenager]], simply because he knew the effect it would have on his father and sought to exploit that.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Weirdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her wrath.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Weirdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade herwrath.wrath.
** Quentin's actions at the end, where he handcuffs the doppelgänger of his daughter in the back of his car because he "sees some good in her", [[https://www.avclub.com/a-good-performance-makes-a-disappointing-arrow-4-8-15-1-1822860304 can been seen]] as quite disturbing, though it's also possible the writers ''want'' us [[SanitySlippage to feel this way about Quentin]].
** Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Weirdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her
** Quentin's actions at the end, where he handcuffs the doppelgänger of his daughter in the back of his car because he "sees some good in her", [[https://www.avclub.com/a-good-performance-makes-a-disappointing-arrow-4-8-15-1-1822860304 can been seen]] as quite disturbing, though it's also possible the writers ''want'' us [[SanitySlippage to feel this way about Quentin]].
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Wierdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her wrath.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Wierdly, Weirdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her wrath.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren. {{Played with}} however, as this time, in stark contrast to all of her defeats earlier, Dinah actually has Laurel on the ropes just before Team Arrow restrains both of them and later when Quentin interferes in their second fight.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren. {{Played with}} however, as this time, in stark contrast to all of her defeats earlier, Dinah actually has Laurel on the ropes just before Team Arrow restrains both of them and later when Quentin interferes in their second fight.fight.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Wierdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her wrath.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dinah, of all people. One would think that the woman who just lost the man she loves would be the most sympathetic person in the episode. Yet, she constantly chooses killing Laurel over helping save the city, and willingly believes a blatant lie to justify it later on. Also, she attacks Quentin multiple times without remorse, and blames Oliver for Vincent's death. Wierdly, the person who is really to blame for what happened, Cayden James, manages to evade her wrath.
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This isn't really a trope for a single episode. Add that to her folder on the main YMMV
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren. {{Played with}} however, as this time, in stark contrast to all of her defeats earlier, Dinah actually has Laurel on the ropes just before Team Arrow restrains both of them and later when Quentin interferes in their second fight.
* TheScrappy: While Dinah was never popular she was at least ''nice'' before Vincent was killed. Now all she cares about killing Black Siren and ''her'' grief and nothing else even the city is about to be blowed to bits. She even goes as far to attack Quentin and seems quite willing to kill any of her teammates who stand in her way -- especially Oliver.
* TheScrappy: While Dinah was never popular she was at least ''nice'' before Vincent was killed. Now all she cares about killing Black Siren and ''her'' grief and nothing else even the city is about to be blowed to bits. She even goes as far to attack Quentin and seems quite willing to kill any of her teammates who stand in her way -- especially Oliver.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren. {{Played with}} however, as this time, in stark contrast to all of her defeats earlier, Dinah actually has Laurel on the ropes just before Team Arrow restrains both of them and later when Quentin interferes in their second fight.
* TheScrappy: While Dinah was never popular she was at least ''nice'' before Vincent was killed. Now all she cares about killing Black Siren and ''her'' grief and nothing else even the city is about to be blowed to bits. She even goes as far to attack Quentin and seems quite willing to kill any of her teammates who stand in her way -- especially Oliver.fight.
* TheScrappy: While Dinah was never popular she was at least ''nice'' before Vincent was killed. Now all she cares about killing Black Siren and ''her'' grief and nothing else even the city is about to be blowed to bits. She even goes as far to attack Quentin and seems quite willing to kill any of her teammates who stand in her way -- especially Oliver.
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* MoralEvenHorizon: Dinah attacks Quentin not once but ''twice'' when he tries to stop her from killing Laurel.
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* MoralEvenHorizon: MoralEventHorizon: Dinah attacks Quentin not once but ''twice'' when he tries to stop her from killing Laurel.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren. {{Played with}} however, as this time, in stark contrast to all of her defeats earlier, Dinah actually has Laurel on the ropes just before Team Arrow restrains both of them and later when Quentin interferes in their second fight.
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* MoralEvenHorizon: Dinah attacks Quentin not once but ''twice'' when he tries to stop her from killing Laurel.
* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren. {{Played with}} however, as this time, in stark contrast to all of her defeats earlier, Dinah actually has Laurel on the ropes just before Team Arrow restrains both of them and later when Quentin interferes in their secondfight.fight.
* TheScrappy: While Dinah was never popular she was at least ''nice'' before Vincent was killed. Now all she cares about killing Black Siren and ''her'' grief and nothing else even the city is about to be blowed to bits. She even goes as far to attack Quentin and seems quite willing to kill any of her teammates who stand in her way -- especially Oliver.
* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren. {{Played with}} however, as this time, in stark contrast to all of her defeats earlier, Dinah actually has Laurel on the ropes just before Team Arrow restrains both of them and later when Quentin interferes in their second
* TheScrappy: While Dinah was never popular she was at least ''nice'' before Vincent was killed. Now all she cares about killing Black Siren and ''her'' grief and nothing else even the city is about to be blowed to bits. She even goes as far to attack Quentin and seems quite willing to kill any of her teammates who stand in her way -- especially Oliver.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren. {{Played with}} however, as this time, in stark contrast to all of her defeats earlier, Dinah actually has Laurel on the ropes just before Team Arrow restrains both of them.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren. {{Played with}} however, as this time, in stark contrast to all of her defeats earlier, Dinah actually has Laurel on the ropes just before Team Arrow restrains both of them.them and later when Quentin interferes in their second fight.
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Let's stay a little objective here
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren, and after all their fights earlier in the season, it's hard to argue.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren, and after Siren. {{Played with}} however, as this time, in stark contrast to all their fights earlier in of her defeats earlier, Dinah actually has Laurel on the season, it's hard to argue.ropes just before Team Arrow restrains both of them.
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* {{HSQ}}: Diaz is the one who killed Owen and has been the ''true'' BigBad of Season Six all along, just like press release said he would be.
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* {{HSQ}}: Diaz is the one who killed Owen and has been the ''true'' BigBad of Season Six all along, just like initial press release releases said he would be.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren, and after all their fights earlier in the season it's hard to argue.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren, and after all their fights earlier in the season season, it's hard to argue.
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* AlasPoorVillain: Michael Emerson already showed himself to be a master of this on ''Series/{{Lost}}'', and Cayden ends up as a very pitiable figure who was only ever a pawn whose grief was manipulated.
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* MagnificentBastard: Diaz has been playing ''everyone'' like a fiddle, all so he could take control of the city.
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* MagnificentBastard: Diaz has been playing ''everyone'' like a fiddle, all so he could take control of the city.city.
* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren, and after all their fights earlier in the season it's hard to argue.
* TakeThatScrappy: Quentin casually brushes off the idea that Dinah could actually defeat Black Siren, and after all their fights earlier in the season it's hard to argue.
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* {{HSQ}}: Diaz is the one who killed Owen and has been the ''true'' BigBad of Season Six all along, just like press release said he would be.
* MagnificentBastard: Diaz has been playing ''everyone'' like a fiddle, all so he could take control of the city.
* MagnificentBastard: Diaz has been playing ''everyone'' like a fiddle, all so he could take control of the city.