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** Prince Edward, big time, all due to him not only being a heroic MagnificentBastard, but also being NotSoDifferent from William, and finally giving him an [[AwesomeMomentOfCrowning Awesome Moment Of Knighting]], [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe all to repay his kindness]].

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** Prince Edward, big time, all due to him not only being a heroic MagnificentBastard, but also being NotSoDifferent from similar to William, and finally giving him an [[AwesomeMomentOfCrowning Awesome Moment Of Knighting]], [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe all to repay his kindness]].
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** Creator/PaulBettany as Chaucer. He later achieved greater fame for playing The Vision in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.

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** Creator/PaulBettany as Chaucer. He later achieved greater fame for playing The Vision in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.
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** Creator/PaulBettany (Chaucer) later achieved greater fame for playing The Vision in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.

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** Creator/PaulBettany (Chaucer) as Chaucer. He later achieved greater fame for playing The Vision in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.



** Creator/LauraFraser (Kate) is now known for playing Lydia Rodarte-Quayle on ''Series/BreakingBad'' and ''Series/BetterCallSaul''.

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** Creator/LauraFraser (Kate) is now known for playing Lydia Rodarte-Quayle on in ''Series/BreakingBad'' and ''Series/BetterCallSaul''.
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** Creator/PaulBettany later achieved greater fame for playing The Vision in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.

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** Creator/PaulBettany (Chaucer) later achieved greater fame for playing The Vision in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.



** Creator/LauraFraser is now widely known for playing Lydia Rodarte-Quayle on ''Series/BreakingBad'' and ''Series/BetterCallSaul''.

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** Creator/LauraFraser (Kate) is now widely known for playing Lydia Rodarte-Quayle on ''Series/BreakingBad'' and ''Series/BetterCallSaul''.
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** Creator/PaulBettany later achieved greater fame for playing The Vision in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.


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** Creator/LauraFraser is now widely known for playing Lydia Rodarte-Quayle on ''Series/BreakingBad'' and ''Series/BetterCallSaul''.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The love letter scene has Jocelyn remarking that William wrote to her "as if I had died". The fact that the letter is penned by Creator/HeathLedger...

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Jocelyn gets a lot of hate from people who dislike William's constant showering of her with praise, as well as a role as TheObstructiveLoveInterest - or from people who just prefer Kate. But there are others who think her relationship with William is still very sweet, and she does get some of the best lines in the film. A lot of Jocelyn hate tends to come from DieForOurShip.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Just before [[spoiler: his eventual defeat]] Adhemar imagines Wat, Roland, Kate, Chaucer and William delivering an IronicEcho of the speech he gave William. It's would've made more sense as a FlashForward, but the director confirmed it was an ImagineSpot.
* ClicheStorm: Some would argue that there isn't very much that's original in this film beyond the [[AnachronismStew main gimmick]]. {{Troperiffic}} clearly comes into play however.
* [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Crowning Music of Awesome]]:

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Jocelyn gets a lot of hate from people who dislike William's constant showering of her with praise, as well as a role as TheObstructiveLoveInterest - or from people who just prefer Kate. But there are others who think her relationship with William is still very sweet, and she does get some of the best lines in the film. A lot of Jocelyn hate tends to come from DieForOurShip.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Just before [[spoiler: his eventual defeat]] Adhemar imagines Wat, Roland, Kate, Chaucer and William delivering an IronicEcho of the speech he gave William. It's would've made more sense as a FlashForward, but the director confirmed it was an ImagineSpot.
* ClicheStorm: Some would argue that there isn't very much that's original in this film beyond the [[AnachronismStew main gimmick]]. {{Troperiffic}} clearly comes into play however.
* [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Crowning Music of Awesome]]:
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--> He's blonde/he's pissed/he'll see you in the lists/Lichtenstein/Lichtenstein!
--> He's blonde/he's tanned/he comes from Gelderland/He comes from Gel-der-land!

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--> ---> He's blonde/he's pissed/he'll see you in the lists/Lichtenstein/Lichtenstein!
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lists/Lichtenstein/Lichtenstein!\\
He's blonde/he's tanned/he comes from Gelderland/He comes from Gel-der-land!



--> '''Chaucer''': He's quick/he's funny/he makes me lots of money/Lichtenstein/Lichtenstein...

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--> ---> '''Chaucer''': He's quick/he's funny/he makes me lots of money/Lichtenstein/Lichtenstein...


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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Jocelyn gets a lot of hate from people who dislike William's constant showering of her with praise, as well as a role as TheObstructiveLoveInterest - or from people who just prefer Kate. But there are others who think her relationship with William is still very sweet, and she does get some of the best lines in the film. A lot of Jocelyn hate tends to come from DieForOurShip.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Just before [[spoiler: his eventual defeat]] Adhemar imagines Wat, Roland, Kate, Chaucer and William delivering an IronicEcho of the speech he gave William. It's would've made more sense as a FlashForward, but the director confirmed it was an ImagineSpot.
* ClicheStorm: Some would argue that there isn't very much that's original in this film beyond the [[AnachronismStew main gimmick]]. {{Troperiffic}} clearly comes into play however.
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** Ten years after this film, Creator/MarkAddy went from playing the peasant Roland to King Robert Baratheon in ''Series/GameOfThrones''. The priest that who thinks Jocelyn is SoBeautifulItsACurse is played by Creator/RobertAshtonGriffiths, who played Mace Tyrell later in the series.

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** Ten years after this film, Creator/MarkAddy went from playing the peasant Roland to King Robert Baratheon in ''Series/GameOfThrones''. The priest that who thinks Jocelyn is SoBeautifulItsACurse is played by Creator/RobertAshtonGriffiths, Creator/RogerAshtonGriffiths, who played Mace Tyrell later in the series.
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** Creator/AlanTudyk (Wat) is better remembered for ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' and his voice acting roles today though this is still the first film to come up when talking about his startlingly good English accent.

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** Creator/AlanTudyk (Wat) is better remembered for ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' and his voice acting roles today though this is still the first film to come up when talking about his startlingly good English accent.roles.
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** Creator/AlanTudyk (Wat) is better remembered for ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' and his voice acting roles today.

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** Creator/AlanTudyk (Wat) is better remembered for ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' and his voice acting roles today.today though this is still the first film to come up when talking about his startlingly good English accent.
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** The soundtrack in general. The opening set to Queen's "We Will Rock You," concluding with the ''epic'' Brian May guitar solo (apparently, in-universe, [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments played on a trumpet]]). David Bowie's "Golden Years" highlighting the romantic dance between William and Jocelyn, and "The Boys Are Back In Town" as the knights ride in to London for the World Championships.

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** The soundtrack in general. The opening set to Queen's Music/{{Queen}}'s "We Will Rock You," concluding with the ''epic'' Brian May guitar solo (apparently, in-universe, [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments played on a trumpet]]). David Bowie's Music/DavidBowie's "Golden Years" highlighting the romantic dance between William and Jocelyn, and "The "[[Music/ThinLizzy The Boys Are Back In Town" Town]]" as the knights ride in to London for the World Championships.
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** Ten years after this film, Creator/MarkAddy went from playing the peasant Roland to King Robert Baratheon in ''Series/GameOfThrones''.

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** Ten years after this film, Creator/MarkAddy went from playing the peasant Roland to King Robert Baratheon in ''Series/GameOfThrones''. The priest that who thinks Jocelyn is SoBeautifulItsACurse is played by Creator/RobertAshtonGriffiths, who played Mace Tyrell later in the series.
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** For another Game of Thrones reference, William being a knight with long blond hair has led to screencaps of him being with Roland being jokingly used that it's a picture of a young Robert Baratheon and still-alive Rhaegar Targaryen.

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** There is no record of what happened to Geoffrey Chaucer for a year in his life, and this film is implied to take place in this year. He says IShouldWriteABookAboutThis, and indeed 'The Knight's Tale' is the first chapter in ''The Canterbury Tales''.

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** There is no record of what happened to Geoffrey Chaucer for a year in his life, and this film is implied to take place in this year. He At the end of the film, he says IShouldWriteABookAboutThis, and indeed 'The Knight's Tale' is the first chapter in ''The Canterbury Tales''.



** During the training montage Roland helps Wat to keep a shield steady; that shield has a sigil of a stag on it. Roland is played by Mark Addy, who would later star in ''{{Series/Game Of Thrones}}'' as Robert Baratheon, whose House use the sigil of a stag.

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** During the training montage Roland helps Wat to keep a shield steady; that shield has a sigil of a stag on it. it (Sir Ector's coat of arms). Roland is played by Mark Addy, who would later star in ''{{Series/Game Of Thrones}}'' ''Series/GameOfThrones'' as Robert Baratheon, whose House use uses the sigil of a stag.



** Alan Tudyk is better remembered for ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' and his voice acting roles today.

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** Alan Tudyk Creator/AlanTudyk (Wat) is better remembered for ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' and his voice acting roles today.today.
** Ten years after this film, Creator/MarkAddy went from playing the peasant Roland to King Robert Baratheon in ''Series/GameOfThrones''.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The love letter scene has Jocelyn remarking that William wrote to her "as if I had died". The fact that the letter is penned by Creator/HeathLedger...





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* RetroactiveRecognition:
** Berenice Bejo, who plays the handmaiden Christiana, also starred in the surprise Best Picture winner ''Film/TheArtist'' in 2011.
** Alan Tudyk is better remembered for ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' and his voice acting roles today.

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* MagnificentBastard:
** A protagonist-friendly example in Edward, the Black Prince of Wales. Nearly every bad thing that has happened to Adhemar in this movie has been at least indirectly caused by Prince Edward -- or more accurately, by Adhemar's own refusal to joust him. A short time after this occurs, Adhemar is called away to war -- on the Black Prince's orders -- where he frequently sees the results of the tournaments that have taken place in his absence, all of them being won by William and the fact of it all causing him great anger. Then, when he comes back, he manages to expose 'Ulrich von Lichtenstein' as William Thatcher; Edward's retaliation is to fully pardon '''''and knight''''' William, urge him to fight in the tournament and then cheer him on.
** There's also his speech when he knights William:
--->''[[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem This is my word and as such it is beyond contestation]]''

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* MagnificentBastard:
** A protagonist-friendly example in Edward, the Black Prince of Wales. Nearly every bad thing that has happened to Adhemar in this movie has been at least indirectly caused by Prince Edward -- or more accurately, by Adhemar's own refusal to joust him. A short time after this occurs, Adhemar is called away to war -- on the Black Prince's orders -- where he frequently sees the results of the tournaments that have taken place in his absence, all of them being won by William and the fact of it all causing him great anger. Then, when he comes back, he manages to expose 'Ulrich von Lichtenstein' as William Thatcher; Edward's retaliation is to fully pardon '''''and knight''''' William, urge him to fight in the tournament and then cheer him on.
** There's also his speech when he knights William:
--->''[[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem This is my word and as such it is beyond contestation]]''
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Just before [[spoiler: his eventual defeat]] Adhemar imagines Wat, Roland, Kate and William delivering an IronicEcho of the speech he gave William. It's would've made more sense as a FlashForward, but the director confirmed it was an ImagineSpot.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Just before [[spoiler: his eventual defeat]] Adhemar imagines Wat, Roland, Kate Kate, Chaucer and William delivering an IronicEcho of the speech he gave William. It's would've made more sense as a FlashForward, but the director confirmed it was an ImagineSpot.
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* WhatTheHellCostumingDepartment: One of Jocelyn's outfits looks like she's wearing a lampshade on her head.
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-->''This is my word and as such it is beyond contestation''

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-->''This --->''[[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem This is my word and as such it is beyond contestation''contestation]]''
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** There is no record of what happened to Geoffrey Chaucer for a year in his life, and this film is implied to take place in said year. He says IShouldWriteABookAboutThis, and indeed 'The Knight's Tale' is the first chapter in ''The Canterbury Tales''.

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** There is no record of what happened to Geoffrey Chaucer for a year in his life, and this film is implied to take place in said this year. He says IShouldWriteABookAboutThis, and indeed 'The Knight's Tale' is the first chapter in ''The Canterbury Tales''.
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* {{Woolseyism}}: The idea was that modern audiences would perceive the tournaments the same way a medieval audience would have. It's sort of a [[TranslationConvention transculturation convention]].
** Tilting (the actual name for it, jousting was the name for the whole series of competitions) isn't a very hard sport to follow in the first place; you knock someone off their horse and you win, if neither falls the winner is determined by who broke more lances (or who scored more hits) on his opponent.

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--> He's blonde/he's tanned/he comes from Gelderland/He comes from Gelderland!

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--> He's blonde/he's tanned/he comes from Gelderland/He comes from Gelderland!Gel-der-land!


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* SpecialEffectsFailure: It's painfully obvious when the stuntmen take their lance off-target, just because the script says they lose that round.
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--> He's blonde/he's tanned/he comes from Gelderland/Lichtenstein/Lichtenstein!

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--> He's blonde/he's tanned/he comes from Gelderland/Lichtenstein/Lichtenstein!Gelderland/He comes from Gelderland!
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** The credits also has ''[[Music/ACDC You Shook Me All Night Long]]'' briefly playing.

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** The credits also has ''[[Music/ACDC ''[[{{Music/ACDC}} You Shook Me All Night Long]]'' briefly playing.
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** The credits also has ''[[Music/ACDC You Shook Me All Night Long]]'' briefly playing.
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** The soundtrack in general. The opening set to Queen's "We Will Rock You," concluding with the ''epic'' Brian May guitar solo (apparently, in-universe, [[CrowningMomentOfFunny played on a trumpet]]). David Bowie's "Golden Years" highlighting the romantic dance between William and Jocelyn, and "The Boys Are Back In Town" as the knights ride in to London for the World Championships.

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** The soundtrack in general. The opening set to Queen's "We Will Rock You," concluding with the ''epic'' Brian May guitar solo (apparently, in-universe, [[CrowningMomentOfFunny [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments played on a trumpet]]). David Bowie's "Golden Years" highlighting the romantic dance between William and Jocelyn, and "The Boys Are Back In Town" as the knights ride in to London for the World Championships.
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** Prince Edward, big time, all due to him not only being a heroic MagnificentBastard, but also being NotSoDifferent from Willaim, and finally giving him an [[AwesomeMomentOfCrowning Awesome Moment Of Knighting]], [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe all to repay his kindness]].

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** Prince Edward, big time, all due to him not only being a heroic MagnificentBastard, but also being NotSoDifferent from Willaim, William, and finally giving him an [[AwesomeMomentOfCrowning Awesome Moment Of Knighting]], [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe all to repay his kindness]].
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** Prince Edward, big time, all due to him not only being a heroic MagnificentBastard, but also being NotSoDifferent from Willaim, and finally giving him an [[AwesomeMomentOfCrowning Awesome Moment Of Knighting]], [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe all to repay his kindness]].

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* FamousAncestor: William Thatcher could be one for MargaretThatcher (although Thatcher, being derived from the occupation, is a very common name in England).



** During the training montage Roland helps Chaucer to keep a shield steady; that shield has a sigil of a stag on it. Roland is played by Mark Addy, who would later star in ''{{Series/Game Of Thrones}}'' as Robert Baratheon, whose House use the sigil of a stag.

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** During the training montage Roland helps Chaucer Wat to keep a shield steady; that shield has a sigil of a stag on it. Roland is played by Mark Addy, who would later star in ''{{Series/Game Of Thrones}}'' as Robert Baratheon, whose House use the sigil of a stag.
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* FamousAncestor: William Tatcher could be one for MargaretThatcher

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* FamousAncestor: William Tatcher Thatcher could be one for MargaretThatcherMargaretThatcher (although Thatcher, being derived from the occupation, is a very common name in England).

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