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** During pre-release development, [=UltraNatSoc=] was split into Ultranationalism and Burgundian System, initially to prevent GameplayandStorySegregation from arising as a result of the simultaneously ultranationalist and ''virulently'' anti-Nazi Black League, and eventually to generally differentiate between "normal" nationalist, militarist and religious fanatics and SS dystopian hellstates.

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** During pre-release development, [=UltraNatSoc=] Ultranational Socialism was split into Ultranationalism and Burgundian System, initially to prevent GameplayandStorySegregation from arising as a result of the simultaneously ultranationalist and ''virulently'' anti-Nazi Black League, and eventually to generally differentiate between "normal" nationalist, militarist and religious fanatics and SS dystopian hellstates.



** After HMMLR wins the civil war, the Left Resistance reforms into the Socialist Labour Party led by Wilson, whose first action after winning the first election is to abolish the monarchy. His platform, which is much more left-wing than his real life counterpart (who was famously moderate, even when compared to the ministers who served under him), revolves around free healthcare and education, gender equality, secularism and religious freedom; that being said, despite being classified as a Socialist, Wilson supports bourgeois democracy and will in fact have to purge the actual socialists from the SLP so they couldn't overthrow him. After TFL is integrated, the centre-left elements within HMMLR are represented by the exiled Labour Party led by Michael Foot (who is personally a republican, but cannot abolish the monarchy), while Wilson inherits pre-TFL Maudling's role as the most radical reformer within the collaborationist government. The developers reasoned that when Operation Sea Lion happened, Wilson was too low-ranking to be on the evacuation list to Canada, and since he was at his very core an opportunist, he attached himself to the BPP so he could rise in the ranks and reform Britain from the inside, despite his distaste for Germany--it would not make sense for an Oxford academic and political weasel like him to join an underground partisan movement.

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** After HMMLR wins the civil war, the Left Resistance reforms into the Socialist Labour Party led by Wilson, whose portrayal resembles a liberal's idea of a good socialist: he abolishes the monarchy as his first action after winning the first election is to abolish the monarchy. His platform, which is much more left-wing than his real life counterpart (who was famously moderate, even when compared to the ministers who served under him), revolves around and supports free healthcare and education, gender equality, secularism and religious freedom; that being said, despite being classified as a Socialist, Wilson supports freedom (all much more left-wing than the real Wilson, who was moderate even by his cabinet's standards) without wishing to end bourgeois democracy democracy, and will in fact have to purge the actual socialists from the SLP so they couldn't overthrow him. After TFL is integrated, the centre-left elements within HMMLR are represented by the exiled Labour Party led by Michael Foot (who is personally a republican, but cannot abolish the monarchy), while Wilson inherits pre-TFL Maudling's role as the most radical reformer within the collaborationist government. The developers reasoned that when Operation Sea Lion happened, Wilson was too low-ranking to be on the evacuation list to Canada, and since he was at his very core an opportunist, he attached himself to the BPP so he could rise in the ranks and reform Britain from the inside, despite his distaste for Germany--it would not make sense for an Oxford academic and political weasel like him to join an underground partisan movement.



* Mikhail Gorbachev's warlord state was originally located around Voronezh, before being moved to Oryol.


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** The Council of the Russian Republic, a clique of non-Nazi Russian collaborators centred around Oryol (or in the first release, Voronezh) led by UsefulNotes/MikhailGorbachev that would seek to turn RK Moskowien into an independent collaborationist Russian Republic. Gorbachev was moved from Moskowien to Russia due to his young age (he would have no plausible opportunity to form his own collaborationist group after the war) and the difficulty of using the organisations that were meant to serve as his subpaths (the National Alliance of Russian Solidarists was generally disliked by the Germans and the Political Centre for the Fight against Bolshevism was quite insignificant in real life).


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** Ugo La Malfa (leader of the real life Italian Republican Party, who couldn't enter progressive politics due to the fascist dictatorship)

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** The power struggle between Hitler's potential successors was described as a full-fledged civil war, with Hans Speidel declaring neutrality in the area around Germania while the rest of Germany is divided between the supporters of each Führer candidate. Since it was deemed too implausible for the Reich to remain a superpower after a civil war, the succession crisis was changed into a period of instability during which Germania is paralysed until the new Führer ascends.



* The original setup of Britain had Wales and Scotland as independent, neutral republics, which were recognised by Germany after the fall of the UK. After HMMLR's uprising (then limited to England), the government in London has to reunify Great Britain by dealing with Wales and Scotland. In TFL, the UK was made whole, since Welsh and Scottish nationalisms were a very fringe time during TNO's timeframe, and because the Nazis would have no reason to leave the job half-finished if they somehow managed to carry out Operation Sea Lion. Though Wales and Scotland have their own political paths, they usually end up mattering very little since it's nigh impossible for them to win a war against England:

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* The original setup of Britain had Wales and Scotland as independent, neutral republics, which were recognised by Germany after the fall of the UK. After HMMLR's uprising (then limited to England), the government in London has to reunify Great Britain by dealing with Wales and Scotland. In TFL, the UK was made whole, since Welsh and Scottish nationalisms were a very fringe time thing during TNO's timeframe, and because the Nazis would have no reason to leave the job half-finished if they somehow managed to carry out Operation Sea Lion. Though Wales and Scotland have their own political paths, they usually end up mattering very little since it's nigh impossible for them to win a war against England:
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** After the Anarchy was cut, there were initially plans to retain Speidel and Schörner as potential leaders (who can overthrow the incumbent Führer) before they were cut for good. Some elements in Schörner's planned path survive in Heydrich's reworked one (Speidel never had much at all planned in the first place).

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** After the Anarchy was cut, there were initially plans to retain Speidel and Schörner as potential leaders (who can overthrow the incumbent Führer) before they were cut for good. Some elements in Schörner's planned path survive in Heydrich's reworked one (Speidel (other than being described as a "Diet Speer" Speidel never had much at all planned in the first place).

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* The original setup of Britain had Wales and Scotland as independent, neutral republics, which were recognised by Germany after the fall of the UK. After HMMLR's uprising (then limited to England), the government in London has to reunify Great Britain by dealing with Wales and Scotland. Due to the irrelevance of Welsh and Scottish secessionism during the game's timeframe, the TFL developers decided to make Great Britain whole. Though Wales and Scotland have their own political paths, they usually end up mattering very little since it's nigh impossible for them to win a war against England:

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* The original setup of Britain had Wales and Scotland as independent, neutral republics, which were recognised by Germany after the fall of the UK. After HMMLR's uprising (then limited to England), the government in London has to reunify Great Britain by dealing with Wales and Scotland. Due to In TFL, the irrelevance of UK was made whole, since Welsh and Scottish secessionism nationalisms were a very fringe time during the game's TNO's timeframe, and because the TFL developers decided Nazis would have no reason to make Great Britain whole.leave the job half-finished if they somehow managed to carry out Operation Sea Lion. Though Wales and Scotland have their own political paths, they usually end up mattering very little since it's nigh impossible for them to win a war against England:



* The US used to be able to support Hồ Chí Minh and the Viet Minh in their struggle for independence from the Empire of Japan. This was later cut, due to the implausibility of sending support to Vietnamese partisans from America.

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* The US used to be able to support Hồ Chí Minh and the Viet Minh in their struggle for independence from the Empire of Japan. This was later cut, due to because the implausibility of US would have a very difficult time sending support aid to Vietnamese partisans from America.through Sphere-controlled waters.



*** Gavrilov's (now-cut) lore noted that he freed Dmitry Karbyshev, the Black League's founder, from the concentration camp that killed Karbyshev in OTL.

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*** Gavrilov's (now-cut) lore noted that he freed Dmitry Karbyshev, the Black League's founder, from the concentration camp that killed where the real Karbyshev in OTL.died.



** Berezniki, a state controlled by Alexander Kazembek and his monarcho-socialist-fascist Mladorossi, whom were nominally aligned with Vyatka. Since the Mladorossi historically ceased to exist long before the start date, and the developers found that their actual ideology wasn't as 'interesting' as it initially appeared, Berezniki was cut with its territory divided between Vyatka and the Order of Saint George, and Kazembek is now Shulgin's Foreign Minister.
** Kostroma, a small state controlling a very small territory around the eponymous city. It was led by Sergei Bolshakov, and was described as an autonomous region of Vologda and a MerchantCity between the Russians and Germans. It was planned to have "content" during development, but the details are unclear. At release, Kostroma only existed to be annexed by Vologda very early in the game; its territory now starts off already controlled by Vologda.

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** The Governorate of Berezniki, a state controlled by Alexander Kazembek and his monarcho-socialist-fascist Mladorossi, whom were nominally aligned with Vyatka. Since the Mladorossi historically ceased to exist long before the start date, and the developers found that their actual ideology wasn't as 'interesting' as it initially appeared, Berezniki was cut with its territory divided between Vyatka and the Order of Saint George, and Kazembek is now Shulgin's Foreign Minister.
** The Free City of Kostroma, a small state controlling a very small territory around the eponymous city. It was led by Sergei Bolshakov, and was described as an autonomous region of Vologda and a MerchantCity between the Russians and Germans. It was planned to have "content" during development, but the details are unclear. At release, Kostroma only existed to be annexed by Vologda very early in the game; its territory now starts off already controlled by Vologda.



* In the demo and early versions, Gorky was portrayed as an armored bandit state led by Hero of the Soviet Union Nikolai Averin, who launches tank raids into RK Moskowien to enrich themselves. Gorky is now portrayed as a militant WRRF remnant led by Ivan Chernyakhovsky, who launches tank raids into RK Moskowien to weaken the Germans.

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* In the demo and early versions, Gorky was portrayed as an armored bandit state led by Hero of the Soviet Union Nikolai Averin, who launches tank raids into RK Moskowien to enrich themselves. Gorky is now portrayed as a militant hyper-militant WRRF remnant led by Ivan Chernyakhovsky, who launches tank raids into RK Moskowien to weaken the Germans.



* In the first demo, Novosibirsk was an [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers Old Believers]] theocracy led by Bishop Flavian[[note]]Real name Feofilakt Feofilaktovich Slesarev, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Old-Rite_Church#First_Hierarchs_of_the_Belokrinitskaya_Hierarchy,_1846–present First Hierarch of the Old Believers]] from 1952-1960.[[/note]]. This was changed as Novosibirsk is one of the largest cities in Russia, while the majority of Old Believers live in the countryside.

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* In the first demo, Novosibirsk was an [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers Old Believers]] Believer]] theocracy led by Bishop Flavian[[note]]Real name Feofilakt Feofilaktovich Slesarev, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Old-Rite_Church#First_Hierarchs_of_the_Belokrinitskaya_Hierarchy,_1846–present First Hierarch of the Old Believers]] from 1952-1960.[[/note]]. This was changed as Novosibirsk is one of the largest cities in Russia, while the majority of Old Believers live in the countryside.



* Aldan was a cut warlord state, described in lore as a rebellious partisan-ruled state controlled by OTL partisan Gurzhap Ochirov, who were a group of partisans that seceded from Genrikh Yagoda's government out of opposition to his tyranny. Their only purpose was to be either conquered or peacefully reabsorbed by Irkutsk or Buryatia, respectively, taking up time while the Harbinites settled things among themselves in the lead-up to the final showdown. The reworked Second Smuta mechanics meant it was no longer necessary to delay that conflict. Its territory was given to Yakutia, and the concept was recycled into a Divine Mandate collapse warlord.

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* Aldan was a cut warlord state, described in lore as a rebellious partisan-ruled state controlled by OTL partisan a group of partisans, led by Gurzhap Ochirov, who were a group of partisans that seceded from Genrikh Yagoda's government out of opposition to his tyranny. Their only purpose was to be either conquered or peacefully reabsorbed by Irkutsk or Buryatia, respectively, taking up time while the Harbinites Harbin Three settled things among themselves in the lead-up to the final showdown. The reworked Second Smuta mechanics meant it was no longer necessary to delay that conflict. Its territory was given to Yakutia, and the concept was recycled into a Divine Mandate collapse warlord.



** Aktau, a clique of [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Russophobic Kazakh ultranationalists]] (ideologically National Socialist) seeking to ethnically cleanse Kazakhstan and collaborate with the Nazis against a common Russian threat. It was originally (and nonsensically) led by ethnic Russian OTL [=HotSU=] recipient Viktor Kuzmich Boychenko [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/8uniot/development_diary_xi_the_land_of_wanderers/ in early development]], who was later replaced with Safa Gazizov. As the mod broadly moved away from gratuitous {{Historical Villain Upgrade}}s, Aktau was cut, and its concept was reworked into the Kazakh Purification Army, a post-Midnight warlord state with a more [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds justified]] characterization for their ultranationalism. Notably, Aktau was removed much earlier (with its territory given to Aktobe) than the Kazakhstan rework which did away with the warlords entirely.

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** Aktau, a clique of [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Russophobic Kazakh ultranationalists]] (ideologically National Socialist) seeking to ethnically cleanse Kazakhstan and collaborate with the Nazis against a common Russian threat. It was originally (and nonsensically) led by ethnic Russian OTL [=HotSU=] recipient Viktor Kuzmich Boychenko [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/8uniot/development_diary_xi_the_land_of_wanderers/ in early development]], who was later replaced with Safa Gazizov. As the mod broadly moved away from gratuitous {{Historical Villain Upgrade}}s, Aktau was cut, and its concept was reworked into the Kazakh Purification Army, a post-Midnight warlord state with a more [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds justified]] characterization for their ultranationalism. Notably, Aktau was removed much earlier (with its territory given to Aktobe) than the Kazakhstan rework which did away with the warlords entirely.

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** Kyzylorda, the continuation of the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic led by Bauyrzhan Momyshuly, a loyalist to the Soviet Union who would pass power to Dinmukhamed Kunaev after Kazakhstan was reunified. The Kazakh SSR now controls the entire country and starts the game led by Kunaev.

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** Kyzylorda, the continuation of the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic SSR led by Bauyrzhan Momyshuly, a Soviet loyalist to the Soviet Union who would pass power to Dinmukhamed Kunaev after Kazakhstan was reunified.reunification. The Kazakh SSR now controls the entire country and starts the game led by Kunaev.



** Kostanay, an Islamic theocracy led by Nikolai Zabelkin, who used to be a bandit warlord after the Soviet Union's dissolution, before he was attacked by bandits and left for dead. When Zabelkin survived the experience, he credited God for the miracle and has since turned religious, leading a ''jihad'' against the rest of the country.
** Aktobe, a nationalist republic led by Nikolai Onoprienko that could suffer from a famine. In this timeline, Onoprienko created an unorthodox "National Renewal" ideology combining elements of capitalism, communism, and fascism.
** Kokshetau, a bandit warlord state commanded by Abu Dusukhambetov, who proclaimed himself Abu Khan and started conducting raids across Kazakhstan to relive the country's past as nomadic warriors.
** The State of Aktau, a clique of [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Russophobic Kazakh nationalists]] (ideologically National Socialist) seeking to ethnically cleanse their nation and collaborate with the Nazis against a common Russian threat. [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/8uniot/development_diary_xi_the_land_of_wanderers/ In early development]], Aktau is led by Viktor Kuzmich Boychenko, who was replaced by Safa Gazizov because it makes little sense for an ethnic Russian Hero of the Soviet Union to lead an ultra-Russophobic Kazakh nationalist group. As the mod broadly moved away from gratuitous {{Historical Villain Upgrade}}s, Aktau's concept was reworked into the Kazakh Purification Army, a post-Midnight warlord state with a more [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds justified]] characterization for their ultranationalism. Notably, Aktau was removed much earlier (with its territory given to Aktobe) than the Kazakhstan rework which did away with the warlords entirely.

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** Kostanay, an Islamic theocracy led by OTL [=HotSU=] recipient Nikolai Zabelkin, who used to be in TNOTL became a bandit warlord after the Soviet Union's dissolution, collapse, before he was attacked by bandits and left for dead. When Zabelkin survived the experience, he credited God for the miracle and has since turned religious, leading turning into a ''jihad'' against the rest of the country.
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** Aktobe, a nationalist republic led by OTL [=HotSU=] recipient Nikolai Onoprienko that could suffer from a famine. In this timeline, TNOTL, Onoprienko created an unorthodox "National Renewal" ideology combining elements of capitalism, communism, and fascism.
** Kokshetau, a bandit warlord state commanded led by OTL [=HotSU=] recipient Abu Dusukhambetov, who in TNOTL proclaimed himself Abu Khan and started conducting raids across Kazakhstan to relive the country's past as adopted nomadic warriors.
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** The State of Aktau, a clique of [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Russophobic Kazakh nationalists]] ultranationalists]] (ideologically National Socialist) seeking to ethnically cleanse their nation Kazakhstan and collaborate with the Nazis against a common Russian threat. It was originally (and nonsensically) led by ethnic Russian OTL [=HotSU=] recipient Viktor Kuzmich Boychenko [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/8uniot/development_diary_xi_the_land_of_wanderers/ In in early development]], Aktau is led by Viktor Kuzmich Boychenko, who was later replaced by with Safa Gazizov because it makes little sense for an ethnic Russian Hero of the Soviet Union to lead an ultra-Russophobic Kazakh nationalist group. Gazizov. As the mod broadly moved away from gratuitous {{Historical Villain Upgrade}}s, Aktau's Aktau was cut, and its concept was reworked into the Kazakh Purification Army, a post-Midnight warlord state with a more [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds justified]] characterization for their ultranationalism. Notably, Aktau was removed much earlier (with its territory given to Aktobe) than the Kazakhstan rework which did away with the warlords entirely.

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* In the demo and early versions, Gorky was led by obscure Hero of the Soviet Union Nikolai Averin, who ran the territory as little more than a bandit state, raiding RK Moskowien with their tank fleet. It is now a remnant of the West Russian Revolutionary Front and led by Ivan Chernyakhovsky, who has never stopped fighting the West Russian War and maintains a constant hyper-defensive and vigilant state in his domain. The purpose of their raids into German-occupied territories is now to weaken the Germans in whatever way they can and to help supply the war effort, rather than mere banditry.

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* In the demo and early versions, Gorky was portrayed as an armored bandit state led by obscure Hero of the Soviet Union Nikolai Averin, who ran the territory as little more than a bandit state, raiding launches tank raids into RK Moskowien with their tank fleet. It to enrich themselves. Gorky is now portrayed as a militant WRRF remnant of the West Russian Revolutionary Front and led by Ivan Chernyakhovsky, who has never stopped fighting the West Russian War and maintains a constant hyper-defensive and vigilant state in his domain. The purpose of their launches tank raids into German-occupied territories is now RK Moskowien to weaken the Germans in whatever way they can and to help supply the war effort, rather than mere banditry.Germans.

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* The furthest right, maximally dystopian ideology in the game used to be known as Ultranational Socialism in early development.[[note]] While the ideology's symbol is shown in the [[https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/8ovah3/development_diary_viii_g%C3%B6tterd%C3%A4mmerung_part_ii/e06d9m2/ Götterdämmerung Dev Diary]] as [[https://i.imgur.com/jEgDStu.jpg a skull on a sunwheel]], it has a [[https://i.imgur.com/8jt2IhO.png a completely different symbol]] still present in the game's files.[[/note]] Initially, it was split into Ultranationalism and Burgundian System (initially to prevent GameplayandStorySegregation from arising as a result of the simultaneously ultranationalist and ''virulently'' anti-Nazi Black League, and eventually to generally differentiate between “normal” nationalist, militarist and religious fanatics and SS dystopian hellstates). In the Toolbox Theory ideology rework, Burgundian System was expanded to and made a subideology of Esoteric Nazism, turning it from what amounted to merely a fanatical, SS-centric style of Nazi governance to something resembling an actually coherent ideological grouping. Esoteric Nazism could then be used for far-right esotericists who are comparatively milder than normal Nazis or have no ties to the SS, like José López Rega (for the record, Heinrich Himmler, the creator of the Burgundian System, was actually slightly less racist towards Slavs than Martin Bormann, the orthodox Nazi, in real life). The Ruin update finally turned Esoteric Nazism into a subideology of National Socialism (and its subideologies into National Socialist ones), rather than an ideology of its own. The purpose of merging Esoteric Nazism as a whole into National Socialism, according to the development team, is to prevent the misunderstanding that Hitler and non-esoteric Nazis had become the LesserOfTwoEvils in comparison to Himmler and the Esoteric Nazis, meaning that Nazism as a whole has now become the furthest right ideology in TNO and would be the worst of the worst in its story.

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* The furthest right, maximally dystopian ideology in the game used to be known as Ultranational Socialism in early development.[[note]] While the ideology's symbol is shown in the [[https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/8ovah3/development_diary_viii_g%C3%B6tterd%C3%A4mmerung_part_ii/e06d9m2/ Götterdämmerung Dev Diary]] as [[https://i.imgur.com/jEgDStu.jpg a skull on a sunwheel]], it has a [[https://i.imgur.com/8jt2IhO.png a completely different symbol]] still present in the game's files.[[/note]] Initially, it It underwent multiple revisions throughout development:
** During pre-release development, [=UltraNatSoc=]
was split into Ultranationalism and Burgundian System (initially System, initially to prevent GameplayandStorySegregation from arising as a result of the simultaneously ultranationalist and ''virulently'' anti-Nazi Black League, and eventually to generally differentiate between “normal” "normal" nationalist, militarist and religious fanatics and SS dystopian hellstates). hellstates.
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In the Toolbox Theory ideology rework, Burgundian System was expanded to and made a subideology of Esoteric Nazism, turning it from what amounted to merely a fanatical, SS-centric style of Nazi governance to something resembling an actually coherent ideological grouping. Esoteric Nazism could then be used for far-right esotericists who are comparatively milder than normal Nazis or have no ties to the SS, like José López Rega (for the record, Heinrich Himmler, the creator of the Burgundian System, was actually slightly less racist towards Slavs than Martin Bormann, the orthodox Nazi, in real life). life).
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The Ruin update finally turned Esoteric Nazism into a subideology of National Socialism (and its subideologies into National Socialist ones), rather than an ideology of its own. The purpose of merging Esoteric Nazism as a whole into National Socialism, according to the development team, is to prevent the misunderstanding that Hitler and non-esoteric Nazis had become the LesserOfTwoEvils in comparison to Himmler and the Esoteric Nazis, meaning that Nazism as a whole has now become the furthest right ideology in TNO and would be the worst of the worst in its story.

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* Mongolia was originally split between the People's Revolutionary Council, Mengjiang, and the Mongolian People's Front, a native-led rebellion spearheaded by Yumjaagiin Tsedenbal. The latter two would start out at war with each other, with the Front usually crushed by Mengjiang thanks to Japan's aid, after which Mengjiang would then try to invade the PRC without it. Depending on how the conflict goes, the PRC could end up keeping western Mongolia in case of a victory and ceasefire, try to take all of Mengjiang but call in the entire Sphere in a conflict they had little hope of winning, or be beaten back to Tannu Tuva if they were defeated. Now, Mengjiang controls all of Mongolia.

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* Mongolia was originally split between the People's Revolutionary Council, Mengjiang, and the Mongolian People's Front, Front (formerly Tsagaan Mongol Ulus), a native-led rebellion spearheaded by Yumjaagiin Tsedenbal. The latter two would start out at war with each other, with the Front usually crushed by Mengjiang thanks to Japan's aid, after which Mengjiang would then try to invade the PRC without it. Depending on how the conflict goes, the PRC could end up keeping western Mongolia in case of a victory and ceasefire, try to take all of Mengjiang but call in the entire Sphere in a conflict they had little hope of winning, or be beaten back to Tannu Tuva if they were defeated. Now, Mengjiang controls all of Mongolia.




* In the early demos, [[https://i.redd.it/0hibrkgbcbt71.jpg Kazan]] was a communist WRRF remnant state led by Pyotr Gavrilov, who had a notable tidbit in his lore as he was responsible for freeing Dmitry Karbyshev from a concentration camp and therefore for the creation of Omsk; its territory was given to Tatarstan. Notably, the Pyotr Gavrilov leading the country was supposed to be ethnic Tatar officer Pyotr ''Mikhailovich'' Gavrilov, but the portrait he had was actually that of tank commander Pyotr ''Filippovich'' Gavrilov; Pyotr Filippovich Gavrilov himself is still in the game, having been given an updated portrait and moved to Tomsk as a general.
* Berezniki was a cut warlord state controlled by Alexander Kazembek and his monarcho-socialist-fascist Mladorossi, whom were nominally aligned with Vyatka. Since the Mladorossi historically ceased to exist long before the start date, and the developers found that their actual ideology wasn't as 'interesting' as it initially appeared, Berezniki was cut with its territory divided between Vyatka and the Order of Saint George, and Kazembek is now Shulgin's Foreign Minister.
* Kostroma was a small cut warlord state controlling a very small territory around the city of Kostroma. It was led by Sergei Bolshakov, and was described as an autonomous region of Vologda and a MerchantCity between the Russians and Germans. It was originally planned to have content, before the scope of Russian development was cut back to more realistic levels. At release, Kostroma only existed to be annexed by Vologda very early in the game; its territory now starts off already controlled by Vologda.

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[[https://i.redd.it/0hibrkgbcbt71.jpg Kazan]] was Kazan]], a communist WRRF remnant state led by Pyotr Gavrilov, who had a notable tidbit in his lore as he was responsible for freeing Dmitry Karbyshev from a concentration camp and therefore for the creation of Omsk; Gavrilov; its territory was given to Tatarstan. Notably, It had two notable trivia points:
*** Gavrilov's (now-cut) lore noted that he freed Dmitry Karbyshev, the Black League's founder, from the concentration camp that killed Karbyshev in OTL.
*** Based on the lore,
the Pyotr Gavrilov leading the country Kazan was supposed meant to be ethnic Tatar officer Pyotr ''Mikhailovich'' Gavrilov, but the portrait he had was actually that of tank commander Pyotr ''Filippovich'' Gavrilov; Pyotr Filippovich Gavrilov himself the latter is still in the game, having been given an updated portrait and moved to Tomsk as a general.
* Berezniki was ** Berezniki, a cut warlord state controlled by Alexander Kazembek and his monarcho-socialist-fascist Mladorossi, whom were nominally aligned with Vyatka. Since the Mladorossi historically ceased to exist long before the start date, and the developers found that their actual ideology wasn't as 'interesting' as it initially appeared, Berezniki was cut with its territory divided between Vyatka and the Order of Saint George, and Kazembek is now Shulgin's Foreign Minister.
* Kostroma was ** Kostroma, a small cut warlord state controlling a very small territory around the city of Kostroma.eponymous city. It was led by Sergei Bolshakov, and was described as an autonomous region of Vologda and a MerchantCity between the Russians and Germans. It was originally planned to have content, before "content" during development, but the scope of Russian development was cut back to more realistic levels.details are unclear. At release, Kostroma only existed to be annexed by Vologda very early in the game; its territory now starts off already controlled by Vologda.



* In the first demo, Vorkuta was a Red Navy Pirate warlord state under the rule of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arseny_Golovko Arseny Golovko]]. In subsequent leaks, a new Vorkuta lore (the current Vorkuta lore) based on the Vorkutlag was developed, and the warlord state with the old Vorkuta lore was renamed and reduced to a new warlord state named Salekhard. Very soon after, the "Red Navy Pirates" lore was transplanted to Kamchatka[[note]]Due to both the new Vorkuta lore and the improbability of piracy in the Arctic Circle[[/note]], with Yugra taking Salekhard's former territories.
** Old Vorkuta was planned to have three political paths: a status-quo path under Golovko, a Communist path under Vladimir Kasatonov, and a Democratic path under Valentin Drozd. All of these paths were cut.

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* In the first demo, Vorkuta was a Red Navy Pirate warlord state under the rule of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arseny_Golovko Arseny Golovko]]. In subsequent leaks, a the new (and current) Vorkuta lore (the current Vorkuta lore) based on the Vorkutlag was developed, and the warlord state with the old Vorkuta lore "old Vorkuta" was renamed and reduced to a new warlord state named Salekhard. Very soon after, the Later, Salekhard and its "Red Navy Pirates" lore Pirate lore" was transplanted to onto Kamchatka[[note]]Due to both the new Vorkuta lore and the improbability of piracy in the Arctic Circle[[/note]], with Yugra taking Salekhard's former territories.
** Old Vorkuta was planned to have three political paths: a status-quo path under Golovko, a Communist path under Vladimir Kasatonov, and a Democratic path under Valentin Drozd. All of these paths three were cut.cut, and current Kamchatka has no playable content.



* Originally when Pavel Batov's insurgency succeeded in making Omsk collapse, there would only be [[https://i.redd.it/aorpj4qs7jp51.jpg four sucessor states]] emerging from the ruins: Batov's Russian National Reconstruction Committee in Sverdlovsk, the Vorkuta Provisional Authority (a Black League remnant led by Alexander Lazarenko), Omsk ('controlled' by feuding ex-Black League officers), and two blank placeholders called Yugra and Surgut led by generic leaders. With the release of Toolbox Theory, [[https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/qt70a6/batovs_insurgency_and_its_outcome_facelift_coming/ Omsk's collapse was overhauled into eight different factions]].

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* Originally when The original Omsk collapse (due to a successful Pavel Batov's insurgency succeeded Batov insurgency) resulted in making Omsk collapse, there would only be [[https://i.redd.it/aorpj4qs7jp51.jpg four sucessor states]] emerging from the ruins: states]]: Batov's Russian National Reconstruction Committee in Sverdlovsk, the Vorkuta Provisional Authority (a Black League remnant led by Alexander Lazarenko), Omsk ('controlled' by feuding ex-Black League officers), and two blank placeholders called Yugra and Surgut led by generic leaders. With the release of Toolbox Theory, [[https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/qt70a6/batovs_insurgency_and_its_outcome_facelift_coming/ Omsk's collapse was overhauled into eight different factions]].



* In the first demo, Novosibirsk was a theocratic [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers Old Believers]] state with Bishop Flavian[[note]]Real name Feofilakt Feofilaktovich Slesarev, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Old-Rite_Church#First_Hierarchs_of_the_Belokrinitskaya_Hierarchy,_1846–present First Hierarch of the Old Believers]] from 1952-1960.[[/note]] as the head of state. This was changed as Novosibirsk is one of the largest cities in Russia, while the majority of Old Believers live in the countryside.
* [[https://i.redd.it/srsl9j88kng81.png Altay]] was a rather nonsensical ''fascist'' Altaic ethnic republic led by OTL writer Lazar Kokyshev. Presumably, it was merged with old Novosibirsk lore and eventually morphed into Oyrotia. In the final game, Kokyshev is only Oyrotia's Head of Government and plays next to no role in the Russian Smuta.

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* In the first demo, Novosibirsk was a theocratic an [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers Old Believers]] state with theocracy led by Bishop Flavian[[note]]Real name Feofilakt Feofilaktovich Slesarev, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Old-Rite_Church#First_Hierarchs_of_the_Belokrinitskaya_Hierarchy,_1846–present First Hierarch of the Old Believers]] from 1952-1960.[[/note]] as the head of state.[[/note]]. This was changed as Novosibirsk is one of the largest cities in Russia, while the majority of Old Believers live in the countryside.
* The first demo's [[https://i.redd.it/srsl9j88kng81.png Altay]] was a rather nonsensical ''fascist'' Altaic ethnic republic led by OTL writer Lazar Kokyshev. Presumably, it was It seemed to have merged with old Novosibirsk lore and eventually morphed into Oyrotia. In the final game, Kokyshev is only Oyrotia's Head of Government and plays next to no role in the Russian Smuta.



* The character of the Radical Anarchist Ideologue in the Siberian Black Army (and its predecessor, Khakassia) [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/nxqoeb/sba_qa_with_the_writer_2_tt_boogalo/h1iokfk/ switched between multiple individuals]] across development. The figure was originally applied to Hero of the Soviet Union recipient Stepan Eliseevich Valenteev (currently an SBA general), was switched to Russian left-wing dissident Lev Nikolaevich Krasnopevtsev at release, switched again to another left-wing dissident Yuri Timofeyevich Galanskov in another update, and finally settled on the Russian striker and later anarcho-syndicalist Pyotr Petrovich Siuda.

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* The character of the Radical Anarchist Ideologue in the Siberian Black Army (and its predecessor, Khakassia) [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/nxqoeb/sba_qa_with_the_writer_2_tt_boogalo/h1iokfk/ switched between multiple individuals]] across development. The figure was originally applied to Hero of the Soviet Union recipient Stepan Eliseevich Valenteev (currently an SBA general), was switched to Russian left-wing dissident Lev Nikolaevich Krasnopevtsev at release, switched again to another left-wing dissident Yuri Timofeyevich Galanskov in another update, and finally settled on the Russian striker and later anarcho-syndicalist Pyotr Petrovich Siuda.



* Yakutia (then called Yakutsk) in earlier demos and teasers was a warlord state made up of NKVD agents under Valentin Pavlov, who were disillusioned with Yagoda's authoritarianism and incompetence, and defected when his state began to collapse. Said lore was completely replaced with the Yakut ethnic republic lore some time in development.

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* Yakutia (then called Yakutsk) in earlier demos and teasers was a warlord state made up of NKVD agents under Valentin Pavlov, who were disillusioned with Yagoda's authoritarianism and incompetence, and defected when his state began to collapse. Said lore was completely replaced with the Yakut ethnic republic lore some time in during development.

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** Oryol (led by Andrey Fedosyutkin, a partisan leader who participated in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII) and Penza (led by Pyotr Dolgov, a member of the Soviet Air Force) were two loreless warlords that were present in the first reelase.
** The Bogi Smerti were bandits that pretended to be Satanists and were led by infamous serial killer Andrei Chikatilo. They were cut and replaced by the Zolin Brigade (another bandit group led by Pyotr Zolin, who has grown bitterly cynical and only focused on looting since seeing his country torn apart by the Nazis, but has also been cut) because their concept, and the very fact that the notoriously un-charismatic Chikatilo could lead a bandit group, made little sense. Their concept would be recycled into the Brotherhood of Cain in post-collapse Holy Russian Empire, where things have gone far enough into hell that something that insane would make sense.

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** Oryol (led by Andrey Fedosyutkin, a partisan leader who participated in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII) Andrey Fedosyutkin) and Penza (led by Pyotr Dolgov, a member of the Soviet Air Force) were two loreless warlords that were present in the first reelase.
** The Bogi Smerti were Smerti, a group of bandits that pretended to be Satanists and were led by infamous serial killer Andrei Chikatilo. They were cut and replaced by the Zolin Brigade (another bandit group led by Pyotr Zolin, who has grown bitterly cynical and only focused on looting since seeing his country torn apart by the Nazis, but has also been cut) because their concept, and the very fact idea that the notoriously un-charismatic Chikatilo could lead a bandit group, made little sense. Their concept would be recycled into the Brotherhood of Cain in post-collapse Holy Russian Empire, After Midnight, where things have gone far enough into hell that something that insane would make sense.sense.
** Zolin Brigade (Bogi Smerti's replacement after its removal), another bandit group led by OTL [=HotSU=]-turned-criminal Pyotr Zolin, portrayed as a cynical veteran-turned-bandit.



** The Red Star United Army, a band of former Red Army soldiers who have turned to banditry and were commanded by Mkhitar Ambartsumyan.

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** The Red Star United Army, a band of former Red ex-Red Army soldiers who have turned to banditry (but kept their aesthetics), and were commanded by OTL veteran-turned-corrupt bureaucrat Mkhitar Ambartsumyan.



** The Rzhev Autonomy, an autonomous region run by Russian collaborators led by Igor Reshetnikov.
** The Basegi Black Brigades, a fascist group of bandits led by Sergey Protopopov (or in older versions, Vasily Mordakov) who adheres to a social Darwinist philosophy.
** The Free Smolensk Revolt, a splinter partisan group from Kovner's UPO in Ostland and led by the Jewish resistance fighter, Simcha Zorin.

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** The Rzhev Autonomy, an autonomous region run by Russian collaborators led by Igor Reshetnikov.
** The Basegi Black Brigades, a fascist group of bandits led by Sergey Protopopov (or in older versions, Vasily Mordakov) who adheres to a social Darwinist philosophy.
philosophy (ideologically classified as fascist).
** The Free Smolensk Revolt, a splinter partisan group from Kovner's UPO in Ostland and led by the Jewish resistance fighter, Simcha Zorin.
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%% [[https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/14tjnbs/free_aviators_content_appears_to_be_in_the_works/ Code for Free Aviators content]]. Remnants of scrapped content or something incoming?incoming?
%% Wuz's personal anecdote: there was a big Reddit teaser with tons of Russian generals. I reverse image searched their identities for fun, and found out about an Aryan Brotherhood general named Yefim Lev. I then found out that he's Jewish and posted that on the Discord, causing the devs to cut him before the update was published. Might be a fun one-sentence note that can be included when AB gets a full rework and we mention the AB ex-HOTSU-generals.
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* [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/dbmhwu/pakistani_mujahideen_leak_from_the_discord/ This teaser]] showed an Ultranationalist (likely a representation of Islamic fundamentalist, as the teaser was from before subideologies) Pakistani Mujahideen revolting against the Republic of India, led by OTL Pakistani ISI director Mahmud Ahmed. Notably, his portrait is actually created from a photo of Khuzestani Arab separatist [[https://www.memri.org/reports/mahmoud-al-ahwazi-leader-anti-iranian-ahwaz-liberation-movement-we-want-iran-be-attacked Mahmoud Ahmad Al-Ahwazi]].

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* In the demo and release versions of TNO, the far-left ideologies used to be Authoritarian and Libertarian Socialism. In addition to being a purely quantitative instead of qualitative difference (depending on how much power exercised by the state, instead of what they actually do with that power), many felt it was an arbitrary distinction that boiled down to 'good' Libertarian Socialists versus neutral or 'evil' Authoritarian Socialists, something not helped by a fair bit of the fanbase seeing it that way and discussing it that way. This was later changed into a more objective division between Communists (who subscribe to the October Revolution's ideology) and Socialists (a broad term for socialists who do not adhere to one or more key tenets of Leninism or orthodox Marxism, like the vanguard party or dialectical materialism, among others); this classification was actually the original ideological classification during early development, but was changed to [=AuthSoc=] and [=LibSoc=] at release.

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* In the demo and release versions of TNO, the far-left ideologies used to be Authoritarian and Libertarian Socialism. In addition to being a purely quantitative instead of qualitative difference (depending on how much power exercised by the state, instead of what they actually do with that power), many felt it was an arbitrary distinction that boiled down to 'good' Libertarian Socialists versus neutral or 'evil' Authoritarian Socialists, something not helped by a fair bit of the fanbase seeing it that way and discussing it that way. This was later changed into a more objective division between Communists (who subscribe to the October Revolution's ideology) and Socialists (a broad term for socialists who do not adhere to one or more key tenets of Leninism or orthodox Marxism, Leninism, like the vanguard party or dialectical materialism, among others); this classification was actually the original ideological classification during early development, but was changed to [=AuthSoc=] and [=LibSoc=] at release.



* Denmark was originally a puppet of the Reich, ruled by the Departmentschefstyret, whose leader Werner Best was characterized as a PunchClockVillain who was open to compromise and opposed to the Holocaust.

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* Denmark was originally a puppet of the Reich, ruled by the Departmentschefstyret, Departementschefstyret, whose leader Werner Best was characterized as a PunchClockVillain who was open to compromise and opposed to the Holocaust.




!Kampuchea
* The first setup for Kampuchea is a monarchy under King Sihanouk, who can consolidate his power or be overthrown by Lon Nol's military coup, a socialist revolution led by Tou Samouth, or a republican rebellion under Sơn Ngọc Thành (who either becomes a dictator or holds elections depending on whether the Việt Minh is successful or not). The new setup (a republic under President Thành and Prime Minister Ieu Koeus) more accurately reflects the legacy of the Empire of Japan's ambitions and proxies in Indochina, instead of being just real life with minor changes.



* The Penelope's Web diary described a path for when the CHP manages to hold on to power after losing the Second Italo-Turkish War. It was cut because the developers think that it's redundant to have two CHP paths (victory and defeat, with only minor differences) and that their victory after losing the war doesn't make a lot of sense.

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* The Penelope's Web diary described a path for when the CHP manages to hold on to power after losing the Second Italo-Turkish War. It was cut because the developers think that it's redundant to have two CHP paths (victory and defeat, with only minor differences) and that their victory after losing the war it doesn't make a lot of sense.sense for them to lose the war without being voted out of power.



** The Polish Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (commonly called Nowa Polska), which was originally formed by Bukharin for Poles who were exiled from Europe by the Nazis and congregated in western Kazakhstan, and became de facto independent after the fall of the USSR. Nowa Polska served as Kazakhstan's 'deunifier'; instead of reunifying the country, it would instead divide the rest of Kazakhstan (not inhabited by Polish settlers) into two countries, the Republic of Aktobe and Republic of Kazakhstan. Nowa Polska as a tag was cut, though the Polish ASSR still exists within unified Kazakhstan and it's now possible to elect Stanisław Skrzeszewski (a Pole) to lead the Kazakh SSR.

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** The Polish Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (commonly called Nowa Polska), which was originally formed by Bukharin for Poles who were exiled from Europe by the Nazis and congregated in western Kazakhstan, and became de facto independent after the fall of the USSR. Nowa Polska served as Kazakhstan's 'deunifier'; instead of reunifying the country, it would instead divide the rest of Kazakhstan (not inhabited by Polish settlers) into two countries, the Republic of Aktobe and Republic of Kazakhstan. Nowa Polska as a tag was cut, though While the Polish ASSR still exists within in lore, it is no longer a tag since the Kazakh SSR is still unified Kazakhstan and it's now possible to elect Stanisław Skrzeszewski (a Pole) to lead the Kazakh SSR.

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* Initially, Siegfried Kasche was characterized as an apathetic governor who blatantly tells the German government that his efforts to Germanize Moskowien have failed and that he has no intention of fixing the problem. His personality was later changed into being a fanatical Nazi who is desperately trying (and failing) to implement Generalplan Ost over the colony he lords over.

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* Initially, Siegfried Kasche was characterized as an apathetic governor who blatantly tells the German government that his efforts to Germanize Moskowien have failed and that he has no intention of fixing the problem. His current personality was later changed into being is much more accurate to real life: a fanatical Nazi who is desperately trying (and failing) to implement Generalplan Ost over the colony he lords over.



* The German megacorporations in Moskowien used to have their own warlord state, the Special Economic Zone of Tambov (''Sonderwirtschaftsgebiet Tambow'') led by Vladimir Gil. Their content is now a path for Helldorff's Notfallverwaltung Paulusburg.

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* The German megacorporations in Moskowien used to have their own warlord state, the Special Economic Zone of Tambov (''Sonderwirtschaftsgebiet Tambow'') led by Tambow''), whose in-game leader is Vladimir Gil.Gil, a collaborator who serves as their chief enforcer. Their content is now a path for Helldorff's Notfallverwaltung Paulusburg.



** Marco Pannella (a progressive liberal)

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* Early plans for the Free Aviators featured a mini-game which would involve trying to shoot down German planes terror bombing the western half of Russia, before Hitler's death and the German Civil War put these to pause (after which the only thing to do was to wait until the Free Aviators join a unifier).

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* UsefulNotes/BernardLawMontgomery was originally the collaborationist Chief of the Defence Staff, who could launch a coup against the civilian government if the latter won the civil war but fails to dislodge the Cornwall garrison, leading to a NonStandardGameOver. He now lives in exile in South Africa, and his roles are inherited by Gerald Templer (as chief of the collaborationist army) and Colin Jordan and the British Free Corps (as collaborationist England/Britain's failstate).

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* UsefulNotes/BernardLawMontgomery was originally the collaborationist Chief of the Defence Staff, who could launch a coup against the civilian government if the latter won the civil war but fails to dislodge the Cornwall garrison, leading to a NonStandardGameOver. He now lives in exile in South Africa, and his roles are inherited by Africa; Gerald Templer (as replaced him as chief of the collaborationist army) and Colin Jordan and army.
* In TFL's old plans,
the British Free Corps (as coup against the sitting PM was originally meant to serve as collaborationist England/Britain's failstate).UK's NonStandardGameOver--the BFC only has a small focus tree lasting a year that mostly serves to demonstrate how screwed up Britain is. After a proposal document was submitted, the BFC was upgraded into a full path and can now take power immediately after HMMLR is put down.



* The Serbian collaborationist government was originally led by Milan Aćimović, while the nationalist faction of the Serbian resistance was formerly represented by Borisav Jović. They were replaced by Dimitrije Ljotić and Dobrica Ćosić respectively.

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* The Serbian collaborationist government was originally led by Milan Aćimović, while the centrist nationalist faction of the Serbian resistance was formerly represented by Borisav Jović. They were replaced by Dimitrije Ljotić and Dobrica Ćosić respectively.



* Denmark was originally a puppet of the Reich, ruled by German plenipotentiary Werner Best, who was characterized as a PunchClockVillain who was open to compromise and opposed to the Holocaust.

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* The starting leader of the Social Democrats and prime minister of Denmark was changed from Jens Otto Krag to Viggo Kampmann.



** Giuseppe Saragat (leader of the Italian Democratic Socialist Party, which was deemed too minor to be electable)

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** Giuseppe Saragat (leader of the Italian Democratic Socialist Reformist Party, which was deemed too minor to be electable)



* After Farouk's death, he had three successors that were all scrapped, including a status quo path with Muhammed Abdel Moneim, a reformist path with Anwar Sadat, and an Italian-ruled path by Adalberto di Savoia-Genova.

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* After Farouk's death, Related to the above, since Crown Prince Fuad is still a child when King Farouk dies, he had three successors that would need a regent, all of whom were all scrapped, including a status quo path with scrapped: Muhammed Abdel Moneim, a reformist path with Moneim (the status quo leader), Anwar Sadat, Sadat (a reformer), and an Italian-ruled path by Adalberto di Savoia-Genova.
Savoia-Genova (an Italian viceroy). The civil war between said regent, the Egyptian Revolutionary Command Council (led by UsefulNotes/GamalAbdelNasser) and the Muslim Brotherhood (led by Sayyid Qutb), which would erupt after the Oil Crisis, was also cut; both factions now take power through different ways.



** The Polish Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (commonly called Nowa Polska), which was originally formed by Bukharin for Poles who were exiled from Europe by the Nazis and congregated in western Kazakhstan, and became de facto independent after the fall of the USSR. Nowa Polska served as Kazakhstan's 'deunifier'; instead of reunifying the country, it would instead divide the rest of Kazakhstan (not inhabited by Polish settlers) into two countries, the Republic of Aktobe and Republic of Kazakhstan. Nowa Polska as a tag was cut; instead, it's now possible to elect Stanisław Skrzeszewski (a Pole) to lead the Kazakh SSR.

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** The Polish Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (commonly called Nowa Polska), which was originally formed by Bukharin for Poles who were exiled from Europe by the Nazis and congregated in western Kazakhstan, and became de facto independent after the fall of the USSR. Nowa Polska served as Kazakhstan's 'deunifier'; instead of reunifying the country, it would instead divide the rest of Kazakhstan (not inhabited by Polish settlers) into two countries, the Republic of Aktobe and Republic of Kazakhstan. Nowa Polska as a tag was cut; instead, cut, though the Polish ASSR still exists within unified Kazakhstan and it's now possible to elect Stanisław Skrzeszewski (a Pole) to lead the Kazakh SSR.



* In old lore, the Radical Civic Union was still one party, which the player needed to [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/763788284039790656/863111027473383444/argentina_leak.png keep united]] so that it can remain electorally relevant. This was reworked so that the UCR was split into Frondizi's UCRI and Balbín's UCRP.

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* In old lore, the Radical Civic Union was still one party, party divided into two wings led by Arturo Frondizi and Ricardo Balbín, which the player needed needs to [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/763788284039790656/863111027473383444/argentina_leak.png keep united]] so that it can remain electorally relevant. This was reworked so that the UCR was both factions have split into Frondizi's UCRI and Balbín's UCRP.distinct parties before game start.



* In pre-rework lore, Algeria was only ''de jure'' part of the French State; the city of Algiers is controlled entirely by the OAS (represented in-game as a demilitarised zone), with the rest of the country entirely split between the Iberian Union and Italy (in [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/a1xtrq/a_tno_world_map_leaked_from_discord/ super-early]] builds, these territories were directly annexed; [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/byxtfh/algeria_leak_from_discord/ later builds]] turned them into colonies with separate tags). This was later reworked so that the French State's control was expanded to include all of the coastal cities (with the inland desert being a demilitarised zone controlled by rebels); Italy and Iberia will only intervene when the Algerian War begins.

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* In pre-rework lore, Algeria was only ''de jure'' part of the French State; the city of Algiers is controlled entirely by the OAS (represented in-game as a demilitarised zone), with the rest of the country entirely split between the Iberian Union and Italy (in [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/a1xtrq/a_tno_world_map_leaked_from_discord/ super-early]] builds, these territories were directly annexed; [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/byxtfh/algeria_leak_from_discord/ later builds]] turned them into colonies with separate tags). This was later reworked so that the French State's control was expanded to include all of the coastal cities (with the inland desert being a demilitarised zone controlled by rebels); Italy and Iberia will only intervene when the Algerian War begins. After another lore revision, Iberian Algeria was cut entirely.
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* TNO, as a part of its narrative focus, was planned to feature [[https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/g7fzb2/ending_slides_collection/ ending slides]], inspired by those from ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' at the end of a country's game. They were implemented in the ''Old World Blues'' demo, but were cut after that due to the excessive file space that the ending slide images are taking up.

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* TNO, as a part of its narrative focus, was planned to feature [[https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/g7fzb2/ending_slides_collection/ ending slides]], inspired by those from ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' ''Franchise/{{Fallout}}'' at the end of a country's game. They were implemented in the ''Old World Blues'' demo, but were cut after that due to the excessive file space that the ending slide images are taking up.
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* A cut participant in the Third South African Civil War was the OFN Forces South Africa, led by John McCain III, who led a small army of stranded OFN POWs who had escaped from Huttig's prison camps, and struck a deal with Taffy Williams and Robert Oppenheimer to help protect them from the SS, in exchange for weaponry. they have been cut as a separate state, and have been moved into being part of the South African Republic proper.

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* A cut participant in the Third South African Civil War was the OFN Forces South Africa, led by John McCain [=McCain=] III, who led a small army of stranded OFN POWs [=POWs=] who had escaped from Huttig's prison camps, and struck a deal with Taffy Williams and Robert Oppenheimer to help protect them from the SS, in exchange for weaponry. they have been cut as a separate state, and have been moved into being part of the South African Republic proper.
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* The original iteration of a democratic Kingdom of Italy was essentially a transplanted version of the contemporary real life Italian Republic, which fails to account for the different circumstances of democratic restoration and the influence of the monarchy--which was glossed over by making King Umberto II an ideal constitutional monarch, who does not exercise actual power and fully respects the will of the elected government, and is beloved to the point that even republican parties have to work with him, since advocating for a republic is political suicide. In current lore, liberal democratic Italy has been reworked to resemble the pre-Mussolini days: Umberto (who sympathised with fascism in real life) now restores the old constitution, which allows him to frequently meddle in politics to thwart socialist parties--and the abolition of the monarchy is now possible and an overall good thing for Italy. On a related note, the Piazza Fontana bombing and the kidnapping and murder of Aldo Moro, two real events imported into TNO, have also been removed.

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* The original iteration of a democratic Kingdom of Italy was essentially a transplanted version of the contemporary real life Italian Republic, which fails to account for the different circumstances of democratic restoration and the influence of the monarchy--which was glossed over by making King Umberto II an ideal constitutional monarch, who does not exercise actual power and fully respects the will of the elected government, and is beloved to the point that even republican parties have to work with him, since advocating for a republic is political suicide. In current lore, liberal democratic Italy has been reworked to resemble the pre-Mussolini days: Umberto (who Umberto's coup is more of a power grab against the PNF and not motivated by any genuine anti-fascist sentiments (seeing how he himself sympathised with fascism in real life) now life); he then restores the old constitution, which allows him to frequently meddle in politics to thwart socialist parties--and the abolition of the monarchy is now possible and an overall good thing for Italy. On a related note, the Piazza Fontana bombing and the kidnapping and murder of Aldo Moro, two real events imported into TNO, have also been removed.



* During the development of Italy's rework, Enrico Berlinguer was planned as a possible Prime Minister after Italy becomes a capitalist democracy, a communist who can get elected into power in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and reform the country towards socialism. The developers later decided that since everything that allowed him to rise to prominence wouldn't happen in TNO, he's now just another deputy. Four other PM candidates, Giuseppe Saragat (a social democrat), Marco Pannella (a progressive liberal), Amintore Fanfani (a centrist Christian democrat) and Giorgio Almirante (a neofascist) were also cut and replaced with people whom the developers found more interesting.

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* During the development Cut and/or replaced Prime Minister candidates of Italy's rework, a democratic Kingdom of Italy include:
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Enrico Berlinguer was planned as a possible Prime Minister after Italy becomes a capitalist democracy, a (a communist who can get elected into power in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and reform the country towards socialism. The socialism; the developers later decided that since everything that allowed him to rise to prominence wouldn't happen in TNO, he's now just another deputy. Four other PM candidates, deputy)
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Giuseppe Saragat (a social democrat), (leader of the Italian Democratic Socialist Party, which was deemed too minor to be electable)
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Marco Pannella (a progressive liberal), liberal)
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Amintore Fanfani (a (the most centrist Christian democrat) and democrat, replaced by Carlo Donat-Cattin)
** Achille Lauro (candidate of the Monarchist National Party, replaced by Alfredo Covelli)
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Giorgio Almirante (a neofascist) were also cut and replaced with people whom (initial leader of the developers found more interesting.fascist National Front)


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* The Penelope's Web diary described a path for when the CHP manages to hold on to power after losing the Second Italo-Turkish War. It was cut because the developers think that it's redundant to have two CHP paths (victory and defeat, with only minor differences) and that their victory after losing the war doesn't make a lot of sense.


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* The original far-right path for Uruguay involves a coup by the Death Squad led by Juan Pedro Ribas. He was replaced by actual fascists because conceptually the path couldn't work--most of the army is still legalist and wouldn't accept a Francoist paramilitary leader with ambiguous loyalties like Ribas.
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* The Boer ethnostate that secedes from South Africa and sides with the Nazis was renamed from Boer Republic to Afrikaner Volkstaat.

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* The Boer ethnostate that secedes from South Africa and sides with the Nazis was renamed from Boer Republic to Afrikaner Volkstaat. Its leader Albert Hertzog's ideology was also changed from Revolutionary Nationalism to Clerical Fascism to better represent the real Hertzog's views in OTL, namely his pan-Afrikaner beliefs and his hardline Calvinism.
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No they didn't cut. Main dev confirm multible times they did not cut


* Cengiz Ayhan was originally meant to lead his own warlord state, the Turkish Revenge Brigades, in the Turkish collapse.
* Two cut leaders in the Turkish collapse are Salih Mirzabeyoğlu, who leads the Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front and one of the youngest leaders in the first decade, and Papa Eftim I, who leads the Greco-Turkish People's League headquartered in Istanbul.
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India probably has most chaotic development history in TNO. According a one of the devs, old-asian team made up by non-asians that doesn't respect the South Asian history and more concern with making India independence movement into a source of comic relief, resulted with weird and sometimes distasteful ideas that totally goes against the philosophy of Modern TNO development. While currently Indla development has a active team, It seemingly making very little progress as most developers are busy with other content.

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India probably has most chaotic development history in TNO. According a to one of the devs, old-asian the old Asia team made up by of non-asians that doesn't didn't respect the South Asian history and were more concern concerned with making the India independence movement into a source of comic relief, resulted with in weird and sometimes distasteful ideas that totally goes go against the philosophy of Modern TNO development. While currently Indla India development has a an active team, It it is seemingly making very little progress as most developers are busy with other content.

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** Old HMMLR also has its own skeletons in the closet, in the form of Stirling's vindictive Commandos and the communists, who, after TFL is integrated, are now no longer subject to HistoricalVillainUpgrade.

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** Old HMMLR also has its own skeletons in the closet, in the form of Stirling's vindictive Commandos and the communists, who, after communists (and in ''really'' old lore, remnants of the British Union of Fascists). After TFL is integrated, the communists are now no longer subject portrayed more accurately to HistoricalVillainUpgrade.real life, while the fascists within HMMLR are so few in number to not matter at all.



* Two cut leaders in the Turkish collapse are Salih Mirzabeyoğlu, who leads the Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front and one of the youngest leaders in the first decade, and Papa Eftim I, who leads the Greco-Turkish People's League headquartered in Istanbul.



* TT skeleton content included 1972 candidates in the Republic of India. These included Amar Nath Vidyalankar (Democratic Socialism), Neelam Sanjiva Reddy (Paternalistic Conservatism), E.M.S. Namboodiripad (Revolutionary Front), Mani Ram Bagri (Agrarian Socialism), N. G. Ranga (National Liberalism), Raghu Vira (National Conservatism), and Atal Bihari Vajpayee (Fascist Populism). It's obvious that there are unfinished as no one have any protaits at all (except Vajpayee), and they are eventually cutted.

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* TT skeleton content included 1972 candidates in the Republic of India. These included India: Amar Nath Vidyalankar (Democratic Socialism), Neelam Sanjiva Reddy (Paternalistic Conservatism), E.M.S. Namboodiripad (Revolutionary Front), Mani Ram Bagri (Agrarian Socialism), N. G. Ranga (National Liberalism), Raghu Vira (National Conservatism), and Atal Bihari Vajpayee (Fascist Populism). It's obvious that there are unfinished as no The only one who has a portrait is Vajpayee, and all have any protaits at all (except Vajpayee), and they are eventually cutted.
since been cut.
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little bit more info


* TT skeleton content included 1972 candidates in the Republic of India, who have since been cut. These included Amar Nath Vidyalankar (Democratic Socialism), Neelam Sanjiva Reddy (Paternalistic Conservatism), E.M.S. Namboodiripad (Revolutionary Front), Mani Ram Bagri (Agrarian Socialism), N. G. Ranga (National Liberalism), Raghu Vira (National Conservatism), and Atal Bihari Vajpayee (Fascist Populism).

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* TT skeleton content included 1972 candidates in the Republic of India, who have since been cut.India. These included Amar Nath Vidyalankar (Democratic Socialism), Neelam Sanjiva Reddy (Paternalistic Conservatism), E.M.S. Namboodiripad (Revolutionary Front), Mani Ram Bagri (Agrarian Socialism), N. G. Ranga (National Liberalism), Raghu Vira (National Conservatism), and Atal Bihari Vajpayee (Fascist Populism).
Populism). It's obvious that there are unfinished as no one have any protaits at all (except Vajpayee), and they are eventually cutted.
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Yeah Mountbatten is alive in the Current TFL era. I remember one of the devs said this


* In earlier development, there were [[https://reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/abju5g/panzer_posted_this_on_discord_looks_like_it_has/ teasers]] for a dystopian British Raj restoration path as a possible path for India. According to multiple dev statements on Discord, the path specifically involved an Ultranational Socialist (later Ultranationalist) faction named "[[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/806276324297539586/858739173720457226/BEEF.png British Empire Expeditionary Forces]]", or [[FunWithAcronyms BEEF]] for short, rising up as an Indian Civil War Anarchy faction, led by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten,_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma Lord Louis Mountbatten]][[note]]Who, hilariously, was also being developed into a leader in the English Catastrophe scenario (see above), ''at the same time in development'' (meaning that he can be simultaneously at two locations at once)[[/note]], who had gone mad, and is now hearing voices that tell him to reconquer the British Raj with an Indian garrison he hid inside India for 20 years. The contents of BEEF were a fever dream of horrific war crimes and nonsensical atrocities, such as burning down Gandhi's village ForTheEvulz, engaging in outright ''cannibalism'' to feed their soldiers during the ICW famine ([[https://i.imgur.com/DCM9qVQ.png event here]], NSFL warning), and, allegedly, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill Mad Jack Churchill]] ''engaging in human sacrifices to revive King Arthur''. Internal dev reception of BEEF was near-universally negative for its sheer, disastrous tastelessness (even during early TNO when expectations for writing qualities were laxer); BEEF was initially reworked into a "saner" version, before being fully cut during development (before Old India as a whole was cut for its general low quality writing). It is considered a massive OldShame in the dev community, and one lead writer specifically made sure that Mountbatten in new lore died before 1962, just to further distance current TNO from BEEF-era TNO.

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* In earlier development, there were [[https://reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/abju5g/panzer_posted_this_on_discord_looks_like_it_has/ teasers]] for a dystopian British Raj restoration path as a possible path for India. According to multiple dev statements on Discord, the path specifically involved an Ultranational Socialist (later Ultranationalist) faction named "[[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/806276324297539586/858739173720457226/BEEF.png British Empire Expeditionary Forces]]", or [[FunWithAcronyms BEEF]] for short, rising up as an Indian Civil War Anarchy faction, led by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten,_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma Lord Louis Mountbatten]][[note]]Who, hilariously, was also being developed into a leader in the English Catastrophe scenario (see above), ''at the same time in development'' (meaning that he can be simultaneously at two locations at once)[[/note]], who had gone mad, and is now hearing voices that tell him to reconquer the British Raj with an Indian garrison he hid inside India for 20 years. The contents of BEEF were a fever dream of horrific war crimes and nonsensical atrocities, such as burning down Gandhi's village ForTheEvulz, engaging in outright ''cannibalism'' to feed their soldiers during the ICW famine ([[https://i.imgur.com/DCM9qVQ.png event here]], NSFL warning), and, allegedly, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill Mad Jack Churchill]] ''engaging in human sacrifices to revive King Arthur''. Internal dev reception of BEEF was near-universally negative for its sheer, disastrous tastelessness (even during early TNO when expectations for writing qualities were laxer); BEEF was initially reworked into a "saner" version, before being fully cut during development (before Old India as a whole was cut for its general low quality writing). It is considered a massive OldShame in the dev community, and one lead writer specifically made sure that Mountbatten in new lore died before 1962, just to further distance current TNO from BEEF-era TNO.
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India probably has most chaotic development history in TNO. According a one of the devs, old-asian team made up by ''white people'' that doesn't respect the South Asian history and more concern with making India independence movement into a source of comic relief, resulted with weird and sometimes distasteful ideas that totally goes against the philosophy of Modern TNO development. While currently Indla development has a active team, It seemingly very little progress happening as most developers are busy with other content.

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India probably has most chaotic development history in TNO. According a one of the devs, old-asian team made up by ''white people'' non-asians that doesn't respect the South Asian history and more concern with making India independence movement into a source of comic relief, resulted with weird and sometimes distasteful ideas that totally goes against the philosophy of Modern TNO development. While currently Indla development has a active team, It seemingly making very little progress happening as most developers are busy with other content.
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None of this ever come back let's be honest.


Note: due to the current in-progress state of India rework, it is unclear which parts of old India content will be retained and which parts will be cut/reworked.

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Note: due to the current in-progress state of India rework, it is unclear which parts probably has most chaotic development history in TNO. According a one of old the devs, old-asian team made up by ''white people'' that doesn't respect the South Asian history and more concern with making India content will be retained independence movement into a source of comic relief, resulted with weird and which parts will be cut/reworked.
sometimes distasteful ideas that totally goes against the philosophy of Modern TNO development. While currently Indla development has a active team, It seemingly very little progress happening as most developers are busy with other content.

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* One cut successor for Tixier-Vignancour was Pierre Gaxotte, leader of the monarchist Action française, whose platform is to invite the Orléanist pretender (Henri, Count of Paris) to the French throne.

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* One cut successor for Tixier-Vignancour was Pierre Gaxotte, leader of the monarchist Action française, whose platform is to invite the Orléanist pretender (Henri, Count of Paris) to the French throne. He was replaced by Henri Barbé, as a leader who could take power half-way through the first decade.



* Pieter Schelte Heerema was originally meant to lead his own side in the Ukrainian Civil War (the Dutch East Company, consisting mostly of Dutch colonists in Ukraine) after his failed coup following Hitler's death. Because the developers find this implausible and want to use the RK's characters in Heerema's content, the NOC as a tag was cut; Heerema can instead overthrow the Reichskommissar and take over the RK mid-way in the game.

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* Pieter Schelte Heerema was originally meant to lead his own side in the Ukrainian Civil War (the Dutch East Company, consisting mostly of Dutch colonists in Ukraine) after his failed coup following Hitler's death. Because the developers find this implausible and want to use the RK's characters in Heerema's content, the NOC as a tag was cut; Heerema can instead overthrow the Reichskommissar and take over the RK mid-way in through the game.first decade.



* In older versions, the chaos following Hitler's death in Eastern Europe involve copious amounts of infighting between Germans (all of which has since been cut), whether these be rival factions within a RK or the Reich invading and subjugating dissidents after the succession crisis at home wraps up.



* The Falklands Islands was originally an occupied territory of the United States before it was later given to Canada, which housed the British government-in-exile from Europe.

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* The Falklands Islands was originally an occupied territory of the United States before it was later given to Canada, which housed houses the British government-in-exile from Europe.

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*** Said route would progress across the world, turning various parts of the globe into [[SpaceFillingEmpire various Reichkommissariate]] to loot and extract resources from, with the economy in absolute shambles, a glorified {{Ponzi}} where {{Plunder}} from new conquests was used to try to patch the leaks from previous conquests. This would continue until either invasion of a nuclear power led to thermonuclear war, the bottom finally falling out of the economy from taking too long to conquer another country resulted in Schörner seizing power in a coup, or an incompetent attempt to sideline Schörner resulted in a massive Second German Civil War, as described below.

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*** Said route would progress across the world, [[SpaceFillingEmpire turning various parts of the globe into [[SpaceFillingEmpire into]] [[https://imgur.com/a/jEpNIYx various Reichkommissariate]] Reichkommissariats or puppet states]] to loot and extract resources from, with the economy in absolute shambles, a glorified {{Ponzi}} PonziScheme where {{Plunder}} {{plunder}} from new conquests was used to try to patch the leaks from previous conquests. This would continue until either your invasion of a nuclear power led to thermonuclear war, the bottom finally falling out of the economy from taking too long to conquer another country resulted in Schörner seizing power in a coup, or an incompetent attempt to sideline Schörner by making him the Reichskommissar of Reichskommissariat Fernost in Kamchatka resulted in a massive Second German Civil War, War.
*** Before entering into War Plan C, Göring originally had the option to try taking his authority back from Schörner by reassigning him to Kamchatka. [[SchmuckBait Needless to say]], picking this option would provoke a rebellion from Schörner and even Speidel, Göring doesn't have enough loyalty from the Wehrmacht. In this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGiNNy1ADIo second German Civil War]], all of Göring's Reichskommissariats would begin fighting each other after picking a side in the conflict, but the situation would quickly devolve into chaos
as described below.the natives rebel against their German overlords. If the civil war lasts long enough, the Reich would [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/ifpg5q/the_german_collapse/ completely collapse]], forming nearly a dozen of splinter states out of the anarchy, spawning the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzrZkEEGLc German Collapse superevent]] and ending the playthrough on an uncertain note over Germany's future.



* Before entering into War Plan C, Göring originally had the option to try taking his authority back from Schörner by reassigning him to Kamchatka. [[SchmuckBait Needless to say]], picking this option would provoke a rebellion from Schörner and even Speidel, Göring doesn't have enough loyalty from the Wehrmacht. In this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGiNNy1ADIo second German Civil War]], all of Göring's Reichskommissariats would begin fighting each other after picking a side in the conflict, but the situation would quickly devolve into chaos as the natives rebel against their German overlords. If the civil war lasts long enough, the Reich would [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/ifpg5q/the_german_collapse/ completely collapse]], forming nearly a dozen of splinter states out of the anarchy, spawning the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzrZkEEGLc German Collapse superevent]] and ending the playthrough on an uncertain note over Germany's future.
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*** Said route would progress across the world, turning various parts of the globe into [[SpaceFillingEmpire various Reichkommissariate]] to loot and extract resources from, with the economy in absolute shambles, a glorified {{Ponzi}} where {{Plunder}} from new conquests was used to try to patch the leaks from previous conquests. This would continue until either invasion of a nuclear power led to thermonuclear war, the bottom finally falling out of the economy from taking too long to conquer another country resulted in Schörner seizing power in a coup, or an incompetent attempt to sideline Schörner resulted in a massive Second German Civil War across as much of the world as had been conquered, with all the different Reichkommissariate declaring for Göring, Schörner, or, if his loyalty is lost, Spiedel, ultimately destroying the German Empire for good.

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*** Said route would progress across the world, turning various parts of the globe into [[SpaceFillingEmpire various Reichkommissariate]] to loot and extract resources from, with the economy in absolute shambles, a glorified {{Ponzi}} where {{Plunder}} from new conquests was used to try to patch the leaks from previous conquests. This would continue until either invasion of a nuclear power led to thermonuclear war, the bottom finally falling out of the economy from taking too long to conquer another country resulted in Schörner seizing power in a coup, or an incompetent attempt to sideline Schörner resulted in a massive Second German Civil War across War, as much of the world as had been conquered, with all the different Reichkommissariate declaring for Göring, Schörner, or, if his loyalty is lost, Spiedel, ultimately destroying the German Empire for good.described below.

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** Hermann Göring was originally portrayed as an arrogant warhawk who wholeheartedly believed in conquering the world--a parody of the world conquest runs popular among the Creator/ParadoxInteractive fandom, with one difference: MAD exists in this world, so a world conquest attempt will always fail or either lead to nuclear apocalypse. Since this was seen as a massively unrealistic departure from his real-life personality as an opportunist who actually opposed war, Göring was reworked into a PuppetKing to Ferdinand Schörner and later Otto Ernst Remer, the true advocates behind his war plans. He is even stated to have attempted to join Speer's band of reformists voluntarily, but was rejected because the militarists had gotten to him first. Nevertheless, since this did not address the inherent problems that come with a world conquest route, it was entirely scrapped for Göring's rework, which now has a wholly different focus (on Germanisation and populism).

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** Hermann Göring was originally portrayed as an arrogant warhawk who wholeheartedly believed in curing the ails of the Reich by getting back to the good old days of militarism and conquering the world--a parody of the world conquest runs popular among the Creator/ParadoxInteractive fandom, with one difference: MAD exists in this world, so a world conquest attempt will always fail or either lead to nuclear apocalypse. Since this was seen as a massively unrealistic departure from his real-life personality as an opportunist who actually opposed war, Göring was reworked into a PuppetKing to Ferdinand Schörner and later Otto Ernst Remer, the true advocates behind his war plans. He is even stated to have attempted to join Speer's band of reformists voluntarily, but was rejected because the militarists had gotten to him first. Nevertheless, since this did not address the inherent problems that come with a world conquest route, it was entirely scrapped for Göring's rework, which now has a wholly different focus (on Germanisation and populism).populism).
*** Said route would progress across the world, turning various parts of the globe into [[SpaceFillingEmpire various Reichkommissariate]] to loot and extract resources from, with the economy in absolute shambles, a glorified {{Ponzi}} where {{Plunder}} from new conquests was used to try to patch the leaks from previous conquests. This would continue until either invasion of a nuclear power led to thermonuclear war, the bottom finally falling out of the economy from taking too long to conquer another country resulted in Schörner seizing power in a coup, or an incompetent attempt to sideline Schörner resulted in a massive Second German Civil War across as much of the world as had been conquered, with all the different Reichkommissariate declaring for Göring, Schörner, or, if his loyalty is lost, Spiedel, ultimately destroying the German Empire for good.

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