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'''Instead''': Jon refuses to tell Catelyn, even shouting at her when she asks who Jon's mother is.\\
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* Ned isn't much better. It's eventually revealed in Season Seven that [[spoiler:he didn't cheat on Catelyn; Jon is actually Lyanna and Rhaegar's son, and a legitimized Targaryen. Ned lied to everyone to honor Lyanna's dying request to protect her son, because Robert would have murdered the baby in cold blood. If even one potential heir lived, the Baratheons' claim would be rendered dubious]].\\
'''You'd Expect''': Ned would have told Catelyn the truth, in the privacy of their rooms, and stressed the importance that [[spoiler:they can't tell ''anyone'' because then Jon's life is forfeit. Pragmatically, it also risks the Baratheons or Lannisters declaring war on the Starks for protecting Jon. It would reassure Catelyn that Ned didn't cheat on her, and that he's acting out of obligation to his sister's memory]].\\
'''Instead''': Jon refuses to tell Catelyn, even shouting at her when she asks who Jon's mother is.\\
'''The Result''': Catelyn treats Jon like a pariah and a reminder of Ned's infidelity. Jon grows up hurt but used to this status quo. Catelyn also fears that Jon, if given the chance, would have usurped Robb's claim for king of the north. [[spoiler:When Sam tells Jon the truth, Jon is appropriately horrified on learning that the most honorable man he knew wasn't his father, and made him live like a bastard so that he and Catelyn never got alone]].
'''You'd Expect''': Ned would have told Catelyn the truth, in the privacy of their rooms, and stressed the importance that [[spoiler:they can't tell ''anyone'' because then Jon's life is forfeit. Pragmatically, it also risks the Baratheons or Lannisters declaring war on the Starks for protecting Jon. It would reassure Catelyn that Ned didn't cheat on her, and that he's acting out of obligation to his sister's memory]].\\
'''Instead''': Jon refuses to tell Catelyn, even shouting at her when she asks who Jon's mother is.\\
'''The Result''': Catelyn treats Jon like a pariah and a reminder of Ned's infidelity. Jon grows up hurt but used to this status quo. Catelyn also fears that Jon, if given the chance, would have usurped Robb's claim for king of the north. [[spoiler:When Sam tells Jon the truth, Jon is appropriately horrified on learning that the most honorable man he knew wasn't his father, and made him live like a bastard so that he and Catelyn never got alone]].
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'''Instead''': [[spoiler:Littlefinger admits to murdering Lysa, but he claims it was to protect Sansa from her murderous aunt. So yes, he is guilty of murder, even if Sansa is complicit. His denials enter DiggingYourselfDeeper, and no one in the court supports him. Arya then executes him by slitting his throat.]]
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'''Instead''': [[spoiler:Littlefinger admits to murdering Lysa, but he claims it was to protect Sansa from her murderous aunt. So yes, he is guilty of murder, even if Sansa is complicit. His denials enter DiggingYourselfDeeper, and no one in the court supports him. Arya then executes him by slitting his throat.]]]]
* Season 8: Robett Glover and other Northern lords are upset upon discovering that Jon Snow has abdicated his title as King in the North and pledged loyalty to Daenerys Targaryen in an alliance to defend the North from the approaching White Walker threat.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Winter has come, [[GodzillaThreshold The Wall has fallen]] and titles are meaningless as Winterfell is the last line of defense against the approaching army of the dead. Winterfell needs all the men it can get and the southern kingdoms are either unwilling or in no condition to fight. Disputes of nobility need to be put on hold so there ''is'' a kingdom left afterward.\\
'''Instead''': Glover uses this perceived betrayal as an excuse to pull his army out of Winterfell to hide out in Deepwood Motte in vain hope that they can wait out the war, effectively ''ensuring'' the death of everyone there if Winterfell were to fall.
* Season 8: Robett Glover and other Northern lords are upset upon discovering that Jon Snow has abdicated his title as King in the North and pledged loyalty to Daenerys Targaryen in an alliance to defend the North from the approaching White Walker threat.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Winter has come, [[GodzillaThreshold The Wall has fallen]] and titles are meaningless as Winterfell is the last line of defense against the approaching army of the dead. Winterfell needs all the men it can get and the southern kingdoms are either unwilling or in no condition to fight. Disputes of nobility need to be put on hold so there ''is'' a kingdom left afterward.\\
'''Instead''': Glover uses this perceived betrayal as an excuse to pull his army out of Winterfell to hide out in Deepwood Motte in vain hope that they can wait out the war, effectively ''ensuring'' the death of everyone there if Winterfell were to fall.
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* Cersei meanwhile is regretful [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone that Joffrey is a monster]], and she fears it's because [[spoiler:he's a child of incest]]. Tyrion comforts her by reminding her that Tommen and Myrcella have beaten the odds and are kind, sane children.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Cersei to realize that Tyrion for all his faults is loyal to the Lannisters. This would have been a prime opportunity for Tyrion to KickThemWhileTheyAreDown. But he comforts her instead, despite their bad blood. He doesn't want to hurt her, despite his faults, and when he's telling off Joffrey, [[JerkassHasAPoint he's usually right]]. The hostage situation with Myrcella was to improve the situation with the Martells, who are seeking justice for Elia Martell and her children. Also, Tyrion won't judge her for DrowningMySorrows since he does the same.\\
'''Instead''': She takes whom she believes is his whore hostage. And instantly blames [[spoiler:Tyrion for Joffrey's death, taking his verbal threats to her son]] out of context.\\
'''The Result''': Things become downright chaotic in Season Four [[spoiler:after Tyrion kills Twyin and leaves the kingdom in Cersei's hands. When Dany gains Tyrion as an advisor, she becomes more formidable than she already was]].
'''You'd Expect''': Cersei to realize that Tyrion for all his faults is loyal to the Lannisters. This would have been a prime opportunity for Tyrion to KickThemWhileTheyAreDown. But he comforts her instead, despite their bad blood. He doesn't want to hurt her, despite his faults, and when he's telling off Joffrey, [[JerkassHasAPoint he's usually right]]. The hostage situation with Myrcella was to improve the situation with the Martells, who are seeking justice for Elia Martell and her children. Also, Tyrion won't judge her for DrowningMySorrows since he does the same.\\
'''Instead''': She takes whom she believes is his whore hostage. And instantly blames [[spoiler:Tyrion for Joffrey's death, taking his verbal threats to her son]] out of context.\\
'''The Result''': Things become downright chaotic in Season Four [[spoiler:after Tyrion kills Twyin and leaves the kingdom in Cersei's hands. When Dany gains Tyrion as an advisor, she becomes more formidable than she already was]].
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'''Instead''': While he ''does'' [[spoiler: win the duel and kill Oberyn]], he also shouts very loudly that he did exactly what Oberyn's accused him of. While in front of a crowd of [=VIPs=] including more than a few of the Martell family's servants and sworn lords. And the Martells are a powerful family that the Lannisters desperately need at least neutral in Westeros affairs while Gregor is just a useful killer. Really, even if Oberyn [[spoiler: hadn't poisoned Gregor with one of his weapons and gotten in several life threatening wounds]], Gregor would still definitely [[spoiler: be facing death one way or another]]. Also, thanks to Gregor, [[spoiler:Ellaria Sand has sufficient reason to murder Myrcela in revenge later on, in front of Jaime no less when he was coming to "rescue" her from the Martells.]]
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'''Instead''': While he ''does'' [[spoiler: win the duel and kill Oberyn]], he also shouts very loudly that he did exactly what Oberyn's accused him of. While in front of a crowd of [=VIPs=] including more than a few of the Martell family's servants and sworn lords. And the Martells are a powerful family that the Lannisters desperately need at least neutral in Westeros affairs while Gregor is just a useful killer. Really, even if Oberyn [[spoiler: hadn't poisoned Gregor with one of his weapons and gotten in several life threatening wounds]], Gregor would still definitely [[spoiler: be facing death one way or another]]. Also, thanks to Gregor, [[spoiler:Ellaria Sand has sufficient reason to murder Myrcela Myrcella in revenge later on, in front of Jaime no less when he was coming to "rescue" her from the Martells.]]
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'''You'd Expect''': That to compensate Ellaria that the Martells would demand compensation for [[spoiler:the deaths of many of their family members and the body of Gregor Clegane, and make an example of it. That way she is satisfied with seeing her lover's killer. Also that Doran would keep Ellaria from Myrcella.]]\\
'''Instead''': Doran opts for {{Forgiveness}} and negotiates with Jaime to let [[spoiler:Myrcella travel with her betrothed, Trystane Martell, and tries to give Ellaria a second chance. She murders Myrcella with poisonous lipstick, then murders Doran and Trystane to take control of their kingdom. As of season seven, Ellaria's sole Lannister casualty is Myrcella, whose death only makes Cersei ''more'' dangerous.]]
'''Instead''': Doran opts for {{Forgiveness}} and negotiates with Jaime to let [[spoiler:Myrcella travel with her betrothed, Trystane Martell, and tries to give Ellaria a second chance. She murders Myrcella with poisonous lipstick, then murders Doran and Trystane to take control of their kingdom. As of season seven, Ellaria's sole Lannister casualty is Myrcella, whose death only makes Cersei ''more'' dangerous.]]
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'''You'd Expect''': That to compensate Ellaria that the Martells would demand compensation for [[spoiler:the deaths of many of their family members and the body of Gregor Clegane, and make an example of it. That way she is satisfied with seeing her lover's killer. Ellaria in the books receives Gregor's head. Also that Doran would keep Ellaria from Myrcella.]]\\
'''Instead''': Doran opts for {{Forgiveness}} and negotiates with Jaime to let [[spoiler:Myrcella travel with her betrothed, Trystane Martell, and tries to give Ellaria a second chance. She murders Myrcella with poisonous lipstick, then murders Doran and Trystane to take control of their kingdom. As of season seven, Ellaria's sole Lannister casualty is Myrcella, whose death only makes Cersei ''more'' dangerous.]]]]\\
'''The Result''': Cersei spends years [[spoiler:plotting revenge for Myrcella, whom she considers the only good thing in her world, a truly innocent child that never betrayed her. Pycelle helps her find the poison that was used on Myrcella, as well as the antidote. She finally gets her chance when Euron Greyjoy hands over a captive Ellaria and her sole surviving daughter Tyene. Cersei locks them up, gags them, and poisons Tyene the same way that Ellaria poisoned Myrcella. She promises that Ellaria will watch her daughter die, unable to comfort Tyene in her last moments, and unable to perish in turn because Cersei will force Ellaria to look on the corpse for the rest of her days and keep her from starving. Yeah, not a good way for the last of the Martells to go]].
'''Instead''': Doran opts for {{Forgiveness}} and negotiates with Jaime to let [[spoiler:Myrcella travel with her betrothed, Trystane Martell, and tries to give Ellaria a second chance. She murders Myrcella with poisonous lipstick, then murders Doran and Trystane to take control of their kingdom. As of season seven, Ellaria's sole Lannister casualty is Myrcella, whose death only makes Cersei ''more'' dangerous.
'''The Result''': Cersei spends years [[spoiler:plotting revenge for Myrcella, whom she considers the only good thing in her world, a truly innocent child that never betrayed her. Pycelle helps her find the poison that was used on Myrcella, as well as the antidote. She finally gets her chance when Euron Greyjoy hands over a captive Ellaria and her sole surviving daughter Tyene. Cersei locks them up, gags them, and poisons Tyene the same way that Ellaria poisoned Myrcella. She promises that Ellaria will watch her daughter die, unable to comfort Tyene in her last moments, and unable to perish in turn because Cersei will force Ellaria to look on the corpse for the rest of her days and keep her from starving. Yeah, not a good way for the last of the Martells to go]].
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* Tyrion Lannister and Olenna Tyrell may be two of the smartest people in the series, but both of them make inexplicably idiotic decisions. Tyrion is planning a strategy that involves using Yara to ferry the Dornish Army and the capture of the Lannister ancestral stronghold of Casterly Rock.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' That Tyrion, who is ''extremely'' smart with finances, [[spoiler:would know that the Lannisters are secretly broke and that Casterly Rock no longer has strategic value due to the gold mines running out]]. Tywin knew, and so do Cersei and Jaime, for crying out loud! And if Tyrion either inexplicably doesn't know his family's actual financial status, Olenna Tyrell, who is ''entirely'' in the know, should point out, either during the meeting or in private to Daenerys, that [[spoiler:Casterly Rock's gold mines have run dry]]. You'd think she would point it out during the meeting because she already advised Daenerys not to trust her "clever man" Tyrion and the omission should have appeared very suspicious indeed. \\
'''For Added Stupidity:''' Olenna knows that the Reach is still rich in gold and that makes ''her'' castle of Highgarden a high-priority target for the Lannisters, ''especially'' since Tywin, who was reluctant to attack the Tyrells, has been replaced by Cersei, who has no restraints against doing so. If either Tyrion or Olenna had spoken to her about it, Daenerys might have settled on a strategy that ignored Casterly Rock and ambushed the Lannisters in the Reach.\\
'''Instead:''' Olenna and Tyrion ''both'' stay silent about this game-changing piece of strategic information. Olenna heads back to High Garden, [[spoiler:where she is betrayed by Randall Tarly, whom Cersei convinces to switch sides. The combined Tarly and Lannister forces overwhelm her few loyal bannermen and loot her gold, and Jaime kills Olenna with poison. The Unsullied land up taking a mostly abandoned Casterly Rock but the fleet ferrying them is sunk by Euron Greyjoy, leaving the Unsullied far from any action for a while.]] Daenerys loses significantly on all counts.
'''You'd Expect:''' That Tyrion, who is ''extremely'' smart with finances, [[spoiler:would know that the Lannisters are secretly broke and that Casterly Rock no longer has strategic value due to the gold mines running out]]. Tywin knew, and so do Cersei and Jaime, for crying out loud! And if Tyrion either inexplicably doesn't know his family's actual financial status, Olenna Tyrell, who is ''entirely'' in the know, should point out, either during the meeting or in private to Daenerys, that [[spoiler:Casterly Rock's gold mines have run dry]]. You'd think she would point it out during the meeting because she already advised Daenerys not to trust her "clever man" Tyrion and the omission should have appeared very suspicious indeed. \\
'''For Added Stupidity:''' Olenna knows that the Reach is still rich in gold and that makes ''her'' castle of Highgarden a high-priority target for the Lannisters, ''especially'' since Tywin, who was reluctant to attack the Tyrells, has been replaced by Cersei, who has no restraints against doing so. If either Tyrion or Olenna had spoken to her about it, Daenerys might have settled on a strategy that ignored Casterly Rock and ambushed the Lannisters in the Reach.\\
'''Instead:''' Olenna and Tyrion ''both'' stay silent about this game-changing piece of strategic information. Olenna heads back to High Garden, [[spoiler:where she is betrayed by Randall Tarly, whom Cersei convinces to switch sides. The combined Tarly and Lannister forces overwhelm her few loyal bannermen and loot her gold, and Jaime kills Olenna with poison. The Unsullied land up taking a mostly abandoned Casterly Rock but the fleet ferrying them is sunk by Euron Greyjoy, leaving the Unsullied far from any action for a while.]] Daenerys loses significantly on all counts.
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* Joffrey Baratheon, being the sociopathic RoyalBrat that he is, gets more than one. His mother's plan was for [[spoiler:Ned Stark]] to be framed on false charges so that she could force him to join the Night's Watch and be sent off to the wall. That way, he'd be far from King's Landing and his credibility would be damaged enough that his secret wouldn't be believed even if he let it out.\\
'''You'd think:''' He'd just follow up with the plan. [[spoiler:Ned Stark's family]] is powerful, and keeping him alive would prevent them from revolting given their HonorBeforeReason beliefs.\\
'''Instead:''' [[spoiler: Joffrey goes, "Ser Illyn! [[OffWithHisHead Bring me his head]]!" right in full view of Sansa Stark and a whole crowd of onlookers]], and does nothing to change his orders even when his own mother tries to tell him off.\\
'''As a result:''' Robb Stark rebels and proves to be a genuine threat to Joffrey's reign.
* Later, Joffrey discovers that [[spoiler:Cersei's secret is for real, and that he's the bastard son of Cersei and his "uncle" Jaime, making all of Robert's bastards by various prostitutes across King's Landing potential heirs to the Iron Throne]].\\
'''You'd think:''' Given that rumors of [[spoiler:Joffrey's true parentage]] are already out, he would find a quiet way to remove all of Robert's bastard children. He could force them into the Night's Watch, or have them sold into slavery in Essos, hire red priestesses like Melisandre to use them as blood banks, or have them assassinated in secret using Varys's "little birds", etc. These ways are utterly despicable but they would remove potential threats to his reign without raising any questions. King's Landing is rife with all sorts of crime and having a group of lowborn people quietly disappear would attract no notice from the populace.\\
'''Instead:''' [[spoiler:Joffrey (Cersei in the books)]] orders a vicious purge of Robert's bastards, with the Gold Cloaks taking part in the open murder of innocent people including ''children'' in broad daylight.\\
'''As a result:''' The sheer brazenness and brutality of the purge, even by Westerosi standards, draws attention to the acts and the people being killed, and the crimes give everyone in Westeros good proof that [[spoiler:the rumors about Joffrey's parentage are true]].
'''You'd think:''' He'd just follow up with the plan. [[spoiler:Ned Stark's family]] is powerful, and keeping him alive would prevent them from revolting given their HonorBeforeReason beliefs.\\
'''Instead:''' [[spoiler: Joffrey goes, "Ser Illyn! [[OffWithHisHead Bring me his head]]!" right in full view of Sansa Stark and a whole crowd of onlookers]], and does nothing to change his orders even when his own mother tries to tell him off.\\
'''As a result:''' Robb Stark rebels and proves to be a genuine threat to Joffrey's reign.
* Later, Joffrey discovers that [[spoiler:Cersei's secret is for real, and that he's the bastard son of Cersei and his "uncle" Jaime, making all of Robert's bastards by various prostitutes across King's Landing potential heirs to the Iron Throne]].\\
'''You'd think:''' Given that rumors of [[spoiler:Joffrey's true parentage]] are already out, he would find a quiet way to remove all of Robert's bastard children. He could force them into the Night's Watch, or have them sold into slavery in Essos, hire red priestesses like Melisandre to use them as blood banks, or have them assassinated in secret using Varys's "little birds", etc. These ways are utterly despicable but they would remove potential threats to his reign without raising any questions. King's Landing is rife with all sorts of crime and having a group of lowborn people quietly disappear would attract no notice from the populace.\\
'''Instead:''' [[spoiler:Joffrey (Cersei in the books)]] orders a vicious purge of Robert's bastards, with the Gold Cloaks taking part in the open murder of innocent people including ''children'' in broad daylight.\\
'''As a result:''' The sheer brazenness and brutality of the purge, even by Westerosi standards, draws attention to the acts and the people being killed, and the crimes give everyone in Westeros good proof that [[spoiler:the rumors about Joffrey's parentage are true]].
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'''But Instead:''' Ned blows it by saying that Tyrion was arrested on ''his'' orders, removing any possibility of de-escalation.\\
'''As a result:''' Jaime's soldiers attack Ned and kill several members of his retinue. Jaime himself challenges Ned to a duel, during which Ned is speared in the back of his thigh by a Lannister soldier. Ned survives but is seriously injured and needs a cane to walk, hampering his ability to fight back in future. Tywin, regarding Tyrion's arrest as an affront to the Lannisters, has [[TheDragon The Mountain]] lead a RapePillageAndBurn campaign against the Riverlands (Catelyn's homeland) in retaliation. Jaime later joins his father's war in the Riverlands.
'''As a result:''' Jaime's soldiers attack Ned and kill several members of his retinue. Jaime himself challenges Ned to a duel, during which Ned is speared in the back of his thigh by a Lannister soldier. Ned survives but is seriously injured and needs a cane to walk, hampering his ability to fight back in future. Tywin, regarding Tyrion's arrest as an affront to the Lannisters, has [[TheDragon The Mountain]] lead a RapePillageAndBurn campaign against the Riverlands (Catelyn's homeland) in retaliation. Jaime later joins his father's war in the Riverlands.
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'''But Instead:''' Ned blows it by saying that Tyrion was arrested on ''his'' orders, removing any possibility of de-escalation.\\
'''As As a result:''' result, Jaime's soldiers attack Ned and kill several members of his retinue. Jaime himself challenges Ned to a duel, during which Ned is speared in the back of his thigh by a Lannister soldier. Ned survives but is seriously injured and needs a cane to walk, hampering his ability to fight back in future. Tywin, regarding Tyrion's arrest as an affront to the Lannisters, has [[TheDragon The Mountain]] lead a RapePillageAndBurn campaign against the Riverlands (Catelyn's homeland) in retaliation. Jaime later joins his father's war in the Riverlands.
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'''Instead:''' Catelyn takes action as soon as the Starks have all the information they think they need, and arrests Tyrion as soon as she gets the chance. Tywin, regarding this as an affront to the Lannisters, has [[TheDragon The Mountain]] lead a RapePillageAndBurn campaign against the Riverlands (Catelyn's homeland) in retaliation. Jaime, [[BigBrotherInstinct not taking kindly]] to this either, challenges Ned to a duel, and later joins his father's war in the Riverlands.
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'''Instead:''' Catelyn takes action as soon as the Starks have all the information they think they need, and arrests Tyrion as soon as she gets the chance. Jaime, [[BigBrotherInstinct not taking kindly]] to this, arrives with a group of Lannister soldiers and asks him if he knows of Tyrion's fate.\\
'''So You'd Then Expect:''' Ned to stall Jaime by pretending he doesn't know or isn't certain if the report is true, or try to defuse the situation diplomatically. Jaime is a brilliant swordsman, and he and his soldiers pose a direct threat to Ned and his retinue. Besides, this will enrage Tywin Lannister, who Ned well knows is a formidable enemy.\\
'''But Instead:''' Ned blows it by saying that Tyrion was arrested on ''his'' orders, removing any possibility of de-escalation.\\
'''As a result:''' Jaime's soldiers attack Ned and kill several members of his retinue. Jaime himself challenges Ned to a duel, during which Ned is speared in the back of his thigh by a Lannister soldier. Ned survives but is seriously injured and needs a cane to walk, hampering his ability to fight back in future. Tywin, regardingthis Tyrion's arrest as an affront to the Lannisters, has [[TheDragon The Mountain]] lead a RapePillageAndBurn campaign against the Riverlands (Catelyn's homeland) in retaliation. Jaime, [[BigBrotherInstinct not taking kindly]] to this either, challenges Ned to a duel, and retaliation. Jaime later joins his father's war in the Riverlands.
'''So You'd Then Expect:''' Ned to stall Jaime by pretending he doesn't know or isn't certain if the report is true, or try to defuse the situation diplomatically. Jaime is a brilliant swordsman, and he and his soldiers pose a direct threat to Ned and his retinue. Besides, this will enrage Tywin Lannister, who Ned well knows is a formidable enemy.\\
'''But Instead:''' Ned blows it by saying that Tyrion was arrested on ''his'' orders, removing any possibility of de-escalation.\\
'''As a result:''' Jaime's soldiers attack Ned and kill several members of his retinue. Jaime himself challenges Ned to a duel, during which Ned is speared in the back of his thigh by a Lannister soldier. Ned survives but is seriously injured and needs a cane to walk, hampering his ability to fight back in future. Tywin, regarding
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'''You'd Expect''': Robb to keep him prisoner, and negotiate with the Karstarks, especially when a chunk of army consists of the Karstarks. Alternatively, he could send him back to Karhold with instructions to rest, explaining that he's being merciful to a loyal subordinate and a distant kinsman(the Karstarks are a branch of the Stark family), and have another Karstark take over for the time being.\\
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'''You'd Expect''': Robb to keep him prisoner, and negotiate with the Karstarks, especially when a chunk of army consists of the Karstarks. Alternatively, he could send him back to Karhold with instructions to rest, explaining that he's being merciful to a loyal subordinate and a distant kinsman(the Karstarks are a branch of the Stark family), and have another Karstark take over for the time being. He already gracefully defused the situation when Greatjon Umber threatened him with his sword, there's no reason why he shouldn't show the same restraint and understanding with the Karstarks.\\
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'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild card, and eventually, the only reason Cersei even has any power left while she is on the Iron Throne. Without this decision, the Greyjoys might have just sat out the War of the Five Kings, sulking on their barren islands, and the Starks might have actually won. Also, Katelyn Stark lays out that Balon is not trustworthy, and points out how horrible an idea sending Theon is. And where did that get her?
* Lord Commander Morment is a crowning moment of HonorBeforeReason, he firmly believes in SacredHospitality, but have a look at the Monster page and read up on Craster to see just what Morment has to put up with.
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'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild card, and eventually, the only reason Cersei even has any power left while she is on the Iron Throne. Without this decision, the Greyjoys might have just sat out the War of the Five Kings, sulking on their barren islands, and the Starks might have actually won. Also, Katelyn Catelyn Stark lays out that Balon is not trustworthy, and points out how horrible an idea sending Theon is. And where did that get her?
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'''You'd Expect''': That Petyr would [[spoiler:retreat to the Vale and prepare for the wights, keeping a representative in Winterfell. Sansa's more of a lost cause with her family back, and Littlefinger prides himself on not getting trapped.]]\\
'''Instead''': Littlefinger [[spoiler:tries to turn Sansa and Arya against each other when he thinks he has an in with Sansa. This fails completely because the last time Sansa and Arya had a serious disagreement, they paid the price with Lady, Nymeria and Micah the butcher's boy; now that they are grown women who have suffered, they aren't going to lose each other again. Even worse, Sansa reveals that she and Arya faked a feud so as to lure Littlefinger into a trap, and to try him for murder and treason.]]
'''Instead''': Littlefinger [[spoiler:tries to turn Sansa and Arya against each other when he thinks he has an in with Sansa. This fails completely because the last time Sansa and Arya had a serious disagreement, they paid the price with Lady, Nymeria and Micah the butcher's boy; now that they are grown women who have suffered, they aren't going to lose each other again. Even worse, Sansa reveals that she and Arya faked a feud so as to lure Littlefinger into a trap, and to try him for murder and treason.]]
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'''You'd Expect''': That Petyr would [[spoiler:retreat to the Vale and prepare for the wights, keeping a representative in Winterfell. Sansa's more of a lost cause with her family back, Bran has demonstrated the ability to look into Petyr's past and his crimes (just look at Petyr's reaction when Bran says "Chaos is a ladder"), and Littlefinger prides himself on not getting trapped.]]\\
'''Instead''': Littlefinger [[spoiler:tries to turn Sansa and Arya against each other when he thinks he has an in withSansa.Sansa, completely forgetting that Bran can see the past. This fails completely because the last time Sansa and Arya had a serious disagreement, they paid the price with Lady, Nymeria and Micah the butcher's boy; now that they are grown women who have suffered, they aren't going to lose each other again. Even worse, Sansa reveals that she and Arya faked a feud so as to lure Littlefinger into a trap, and to try him for murder and treason.]]
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'''You'd Expect''': That [[spoiler:Littlefinger]] would point this out and mention that it's NotSoDifferent from what Cersei did to her brother Tyrion. Also that he would [[spoiler:deny the charges and point out that the evidence is flimsy. He has to sway the lords to his side, and could do so by appealing to common sense.]]\\
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'''You'd Expect''': That [[spoiler:Littlefinger]] would point this out and mention that it's NotSoDifferent from what Cersei did to her brother Tyrion. Also that he would [[spoiler:deny the charges and point out that the vision-based evidence is flimsy. He has to sway the lords to his side, and could do so by appealing to common sense. If that doesn't work, he could do what Tyrion did and demand a trial by combat, naming an appropriate champion to fight on his behalf.]]\\
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* In the Season 6 finale, Cersei is to stand trial in the Great Sept of Baelor. The last time the Faith Militant tried to force to the Sept (by sending several members), the Mountain ripped one of their heads off.\\
'''You'd Expect''': The High Sparrow to take measures to make sure Cersei could be taken to the Sept such as having the City Watch ready to move if needed or, if that wasn't an option, send as many Sparrows as possible to escort her if needed or even to make sure they can prevent an ambush on the way up.\\
'''Instead''': He doesn't take any measures and, when Cersei fails to show up, only sends Lancel to escort her.\\
'''As A Result''': Lancel is distracted [[spoiler:pursuing a child he spots heading into the tunnels below the Sept]]. This leads to Lancel getting [[spoiler:ambushed, paralyzed due to a stab wound to the leg and being unable to prevent the Sept being blown up as he had no one to back him up]].
'''You'd Expect''': The High Sparrow to take measures to make sure Cersei could be taken to the Sept such as having the City Watch ready to move if needed or, if that wasn't an option, send as many Sparrows as possible to escort her if needed or even to make sure they can prevent an ambush on the way up.\\
'''Instead''': He doesn't take any measures and, when Cersei fails to show up, only sends Lancel to escort her.\\
'''As A Result''': Lancel is distracted [[spoiler:pursuing a child he spots heading into the tunnels below the Sept]]. This leads to Lancel getting [[spoiler:ambushed, paralyzed due to a stab wound to the leg and being unable to prevent the Sept being blown up as he had no one to back him up]].
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* Ned has just sussed out the secret that got his mentor, Jon Arryn, killed and someone tried to kill his son to protect. Namely that [[spoiler:the king's son and heir was sired by the queen's twin brother.]] Also King Robert [[spoiler:has a reputation for killing anyone that poses even a mere threat, like Daenaerys.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': Since he knows people have killed for this secret, he'd keep a lid on it until King Robert gets back, then tell him in private and let him handle it. Alternatively, he tells King Robert to [[spoiler:make a vow to not hurt the children, and remind him to be an honorable kind.]]\\
'''Instead''': In an effort to "spare the children", Ned tells [[spoiler:Queen Cersei]] that he knows and advises her to vamoose before Robert returns, expecting her to be shamed into leaving. Unfortunately for him, Robert returns with [[spoiler:a fatal hunting wound]], leaving Ned unwilling to tell him the truth. What follows is a series of LawfulStupid decisions, ultimately leading to [[spoiler: Ned's execution by [[OffWithHisHead beheading]] at the hands of one of the "children" he tried to spare.]]
'''You'd Expect''': Since he knows people have killed for this secret, he'd keep a lid on it until King Robert gets back, then tell him in private and let him handle it. Alternatively, he tells King Robert to [[spoiler:make a vow to not hurt the children, and remind him to be an honorable kind.]]\\
'''Instead''': In an effort to "spare the children", Ned tells [[spoiler:Queen Cersei]] that he knows and advises her to vamoose before Robert returns, expecting her to be shamed into leaving. Unfortunately for him, Robert returns with [[spoiler:a fatal hunting wound]], leaving Ned unwilling to tell him the truth. What follows is a series of LawfulStupid decisions, ultimately leading to [[spoiler: Ned's execution by [[OffWithHisHead beheading]] at the hands of one of the "children" he tried to spare.]]
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'''Instead:''' Robb takes Theon's advice and sends him to go and try to broker an alliance with the Greyjoys, both of them completely forgetting WHY Theon was Ned's ward in the first place. Theon is a bargaining chip to keep the Greyjoys from attacking anyone, and once Theon is back in Balon's clutches, the first thing they do? Attack the defenseless North.\\
'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild card, and eventually, the only reason Cersei even has any power left while she is on the Iron Throne. Without this decision, the Greyjoys might have just sat out the War of the Five Kings, sulking on their barren islands, and the Starks might have actually won.
* Ned has just sussed out the secret that got his mentor, Jon Arryn, killed and someone tried to kill his son to protect. Namely that [[spoiler:the king's son and heir was sired by the queen's twin brother.]] Also King Robert [[spoiler:has a reputation for killing anyone that poses even a mere threat, like Daenaerys.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': Since he knows people have killed for this secret, he'd keep a lid on it until King Robert gets back, then tell him in private and let him handle it. Alternatively, he tells King Robert to [[spoiler:make a vow to not hurt the children, and remind him to be an honorable kind.]]\\
'''Instead''': In an effort to "spare the children", Ned tells [[spoiler:Queen Cersei]] that he knows and advises her to vamoose before Robert returns, expecting her to be shamed into leaving. Unfortunately for him, Robert returns with [[spoiler:a fatal hunting wound]], leaving Ned unwilling to tell him the truth. What follows is a series of LawfulStupid decisions, ultimately leading to [[spoiler: Ned's execution by [[OffWithHisHead beheading]] at the hands of one of the "children" he tried to spare.]]
'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild card, and eventually, the only reason Cersei even has any power left while she is on the Iron Throne. Without this decision, the Greyjoys might have just sat out the War of the Five Kings, sulking on their barren islands, and the Starks might have actually won.
* Ned has just sussed out the secret that got his mentor, Jon Arryn, killed and someone tried to kill his son to protect. Namely that [[spoiler:the king's son and heir was sired by the queen's twin brother.]] Also King Robert [[spoiler:has a reputation for killing anyone that poses even a mere threat, like Daenaerys.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': Since he knows people have killed for this secret, he'd keep a lid on it until King Robert gets back, then tell him in private and let him handle it. Alternatively, he tells King Robert to [[spoiler:make a vow to not hurt the children, and remind him to be an honorable kind.]]\\
'''Instead''': In an effort to "spare the children", Ned tells [[spoiler:Queen Cersei]] that he knows and advises her to vamoose before Robert returns, expecting her to be shamed into leaving. Unfortunately for him, Robert returns with [[spoiler:a fatal hunting wound]], leaving Ned unwilling to tell him the truth. What follows is a series of LawfulStupid decisions, ultimately leading to [[spoiler: Ned's execution by [[OffWithHisHead beheading]] at the hands of one of the "children" he tried to spare.]]
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'''Instead:''' Robb takes Theon's advice and sends him to go and try to broker an alliance with the Greyjoys, both of them completely forgetting WHY Theon was Ned's ward in the first place. Theon is a bargaining chip to keep the Greyjoys from attacking anyone, and once Theon is back in Balon's clutches, the first thing they do? Attack the defenseless North. Also, Robb sees Renly as a secondary option, and sends his mother to the Stormlands, a mission that could have resulted in Catelyn being captured, or worse.\\
'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild card, and eventually, the only reason Cersei even has any power left while she is on the Iron Throne. Without this decision, the Greyjoys might have just sat out the War of the Five Kings, sulking on their barren islands, and the Starks might have actuallywon.
* Ned has just sussedwon. Also, Katelyn Stark lays out the secret that got his mentor, Jon Arryn, killed Balon is not trustworthy, and someone tried to kill his son to protect. Namely points out how horrible an idea sending Theon is. And where did that [[spoiler:the king's son and heir was sired by the queen's twin brother.]] Also King Robert [[spoiler:has a reputation for killing anyone that poses even a mere threat, like Daenaerys.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': Since he knows people have killed for this secret, he'd keep a lid on it until King Robert gets back, then tell him in private and let him handle it. Alternatively, he tells King Robert to [[spoiler:make a vow to not hurt the children, and remind him to be an honorable kind.]]\\
'''Instead''': In an effort to "spare the children", Ned tells [[spoiler:Queen Cersei]] that he knows and advises her to vamoose before Robert returns, expecting her to be shamed into leaving. Unfortunately for him, Robert returns with [[spoiler:a fatal hunting wound]], leaving Ned unwilling to tell him the truth. What follows is a series of LawfulStupid decisions, ultimately leading to [[spoiler: Ned's execution by [[OffWithHisHead beheading]] at the hands of one of the "children" he tried to spare.]]get her?
'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild card, and eventually, the only reason Cersei even has any power left while she is on the Iron Throne. Without this decision, the Greyjoys might have just sat out the War of the Five Kings, sulking on their barren islands, and the Starks might have actually
* Ned has just sussed
'''You'd Expect''': Since he knows people have killed for this secret, he'd keep a lid on it until King Robert gets back, then tell him in private and let him handle it. Alternatively, he tells King Robert to [[spoiler:make a vow to not hurt the children, and remind him to be an honorable kind.]]\\
'''Instead''': In an effort to "spare the children", Ned tells [[spoiler:Queen Cersei]] that he knows and advises her to vamoose before Robert returns, expecting her to be shamed into leaving. Unfortunately for him, Robert returns with [[spoiler:a fatal hunting wound]], leaving Ned unwilling to tell him the truth. What follows is a series of LawfulStupid decisions, ultimately leading to [[spoiler: Ned's execution by [[OffWithHisHead beheading]] at the hands of one of the "children" he tried to spare.]]
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'''You'd Expect:''' Robb really just wants retribution for his father, and to make the North independent, instead of actually taking the throne. Cersei and Joffrey might not be amenable to Robb's terms, but Renly might.\\
'''Instead:''' He sends Theon to go and try to broker an alliance with the Greyjoys, completely forgetting WHY Theon was Ned's ward in the first place. Theon is a bargaining chip to keep the Greyjoys from attacking anyone, and once Theon is back in Balon's clutches, the first thing they do? Attack the defenseless North.\\
'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild card.
'''Instead:''' He sends Theon to go and try to broker an alliance with the Greyjoys, completely forgetting WHY Theon was Ned's ward in the first place. Theon is a bargaining chip to keep the Greyjoys from attacking anyone, and once Theon is back in Balon's clutches, the first thing they do? Attack the defenseless North.\\
'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild card.
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'''You'd Expect:''' Robb really just wants retribution for his father, and to make the North independent, instead of actually taking the throne. Cersei and Joffrey might not be amenable to Robb's terms, but Renly might. If both men work together and come to an understanding, they can put immense pressure on the Lannisters and force them into a war on two fronts, a war not even money can buy enough soldiers to win.\\
'''Instead:'''He Robb takes Theon's advice and sends Theon him to go and try to broker an alliance with the Greyjoys, both of them completely forgetting WHY Theon was Ned's ward in the first place. Theon is a bargaining chip to keep the Greyjoys from attacking anyone, and once Theon is back in Balon's clutches, the first thing they do? Attack the defenseless North.\\
'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wildcard.card, and eventually, the only reason Cersei even has any power left while she is on the Iron Throne. Without this decision, the Greyjoys might have just sat out the War of the Five Kings, sulking on their barren islands, and the Starks might have actually won.
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'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild
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* Robb Stark needs allies in his war for Northern independence, so he can convince the Lannisters that they have bitten off far more than they can chew, especially with Renly starting to turn into a serious threat to the south of the Crownlands.
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* Robb Stark needs allies in his war for Northern independence, so he can convince the Lannisters that they have bitten off far more than they can chew, especially with Renly starting to turn into a serious threat to the south of the Crownlands.
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'''Instead:''' He sends Theon to go and try to broker an alliance with the Greyjoys, completely forgetting WHY Theon was Ned's ward in the first place. Theon is a bargaining chip to keep the Greyjoys from attacking anyone, and once Theon is back in Balon's clutches, the first thing they do? Attack the defenseless North.
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'''Instead:''' He sends Theon to go and try to broker an alliance with the Greyjoys, completely forgetting WHY Theon was Ned's ward in the first place. Theon is a bargaining chip to keep the Greyjoys from attacking anyone, and once Theon is back in Balon's clutches, the first thing they do? Attack the defenseless North.\\
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'''You'd Expect:''' Robb really just wants retribution for his father, and to make the North independent, instead of actually taking the throne. Cersei and Joffrey might not be amenable to Robb's terms, but Renly might.\\
'''Instead:''' He sends Theon to go and try to broker an alliance with the Greyjoys, completely forgetting WHY Theon was Ned's ward in the first place. Theon is a bargaining chip to keep the Greyjoys from attacking anyone, and once Theon is back in Balon's clutches, the first thing they do? Attack the defenseless North.
'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild card.
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'''You'd Expect:''' Robb really just wants retribution for his father, and to make the North independent, instead of actually taking the throne. Cersei and Joffrey might not be amenable to Robb's terms, but Renly might.\\
'''Instead:''' He sends Theon to go and try to broker an alliance with the Greyjoys, completely forgetting WHY Theon was Ned's ward in the first place. Theon is a bargaining chip to keep the Greyjoys from attacking anyone, and once Theon is back in Balon's clutches, the first thing they do? Attack the defenseless North.
'''Even Worse:''' Because of this horrible decision, this kicks off Theon's "character arc" that results in a massive HumiliationConga for several seasons before things get remotely better. It also leads to the sacking and burning of Winterfell, the opportunity for House Bolton to betray the Starks when morale gets low and subsequently the Red Wedding, and for the Greyjoys to enter the geopolitical nightmare of the War of the Five Kings as a wild card.
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* In the Season 6 finale, Cersei is to stand trial in the Great Sept of Baelor. The last time the Faith Militant tried to force to the Sept (by sending several members), the Mountain ripped one of their heads off.\\
'''You'd Expect''': The High Sparrow to take measures to make sure Cersei could be taken to the Sept such as having the City Watch ready to move if needed or, if that wasn't an option, send as many Sparrows as possible to escort her if needed or even to make sure they can prevent an ambush on the way up.\\
'''Instead''': He doesn't take any measures and, when Cersei fails to show up, only sends Lancel to escort her.\\
'''As A Result''': Lancel is distracted [[spoiler:pursuing a child he spots heading into the tunnels below the Sept]]. This leads to Lancel getting [[spoiler:ambushed, paralyzed due to a stab wound to the leg and being unable to prevent the Sept being blown up as he had no one to back him up]].
'''You'd Expect''': The High Sparrow to take measures to make sure Cersei could be taken to the Sept such as having the City Watch ready to move if needed or, if that wasn't an option, send as many Sparrows as possible to escort her if needed or even to make sure they can prevent an ambush on the way up.\\
'''Instead''': He doesn't take any measures and, when Cersei fails to show up, only sends Lancel to escort her.\\
'''As A Result''': Lancel is distracted [[spoiler:pursuing a child he spots heading into the tunnels below the Sept]]. This leads to Lancel getting [[spoiler:ambushed, paralyzed due to a stab wound to the leg and being unable to prevent the Sept being blown up as he had no one to back him up]].
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* Cersei has just found out that the Faith Militant has resurfaced as a vigilante group and forced the high septon to march naked down the street for visiting a brothel. The high septon has asked her to destroy them. She knows that one of their members is her cousin who can implicate her in her various crimes.
'''You'd Expect''': Her to remember (or if she didn't already know find out) that incest in the royal family was exactly why the Faith Militant was formed and agree to the high septon's demand leaving him in her debt. She could kill two birds with one stone by silencing her cousin and use the high septon to smear the Tyrells.
'''Instead''': She throws the high septon in prison and officially reinstates the Faith Militant.
'''You'd Expect''': Her to remember (or if she didn't already know find out) that incest in the royal family was exactly why the Faith Militant was formed and agree to the high septon's demand leaving him in her debt. She could kill two birds with one stone by silencing her cousin and use the high septon to smear the Tyrells.
'''Instead''': She throws the high septon in prison and officially reinstates the Faith Militant.
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* Cersei has just found out that the Faith Militant has resurfaced as a vigilante group and forced the high septon to march naked down the street for visiting a brothel. The high septon has asked her to destroy them. She knows that one of their members is her cousin who can implicate her in her various crimes.
crimes.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Her to remember (or if she didn't already know find out) that incest in the royal family was exactly why the Faith Militant was formed and agree to the high septon's demand leaving him in her debt. She could kill two birds with one stone by silencing her cousin and use the high septon to smear theTyrells.
Tyrells.\\
'''Instead''': She throws the high septon in prison and officially reinstates the Faith Militant.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Her to remember (or if she didn't already know find out) that incest in the royal family was exactly why the Faith Militant was formed and agree to the high septon's demand leaving him in her debt. She could kill two birds with one stone by silencing her cousin and use the high septon to smear the
'''Instead''': She throws the high septon in prison and officially reinstates the Faith Militant.\\
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* Cersei has just found out that the Faith Militant has resurfaced as a vigilante group and forced the high septon to march naked down the street for visiting a brothel. The high septon has asked her to destroy them. She knows that one of their members is her cousin who can implicate her in her various crimes.
'''You'd Expect''': Her to remember (or if she didn't already know find out) that incest in the royal family was exactly why the Faith Militant was formed and agree to the high septon's demand leaving him in her debt. She could kill two birds with one stone by silencing her cousin and use the high septon to smear the Tyrells.
'''Instead''': She throws the high septon in prison and officially reinstates the Faith Militant.
'''As A Result''': The leader of the Faith Militant (The High Sparrow) turns on her and has her arrested for the crimes her cousin confessed to and is publicly humiliated.
'''You'd Expect''': Her to remember (or if she didn't already know find out) that incest in the royal family was exactly why the Faith Militant was formed and agree to the high septon's demand leaving him in her debt. She could kill two birds with one stone by silencing her cousin and use the high septon to smear the Tyrells.
'''Instead''': She throws the high septon in prison and officially reinstates the Faith Militant.
'''As A Result''': The leader of the Faith Militant (The High Sparrow) turns on her and has her arrested for the crimes her cousin confessed to and is publicly humiliated.
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** '''You'd expect:''' He forego his honor for once, he'd made allowances for Jon Snow after all, kill Craster and put, say, Sam in his place as weighstation beyond the Wall.
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** '''You'd expect:''' He forego his honor for once, he'd made allowances for Jon Snow after all, kill Craster and put, say, Sam in his place as weighstation waystation beyond the Wall.
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'''Instead''': Robb [[OffWithHisHead executes him]] as [[HonorBeforeReason his punishment for killing the boys]]. As a results, the Karstarks march back north, forcing Robb to ask for the Freys' help, clearly the last men to ask for help. This, combined with Robb's [[LoveIsAWeakness breaking of his vow to the Freys]] ie. [[spoiler: marrying one of the Frey girls]], ends with [[spoiler:[[DownerEnding Robb's death, his wife's death, his mother's death, his ENTIRE army's perishing, his wolf's death, his uncle as a captive, at the uncle's wedding more infamously remembered as '''The Red Wedding'''.]] The Northern State's call for independence ends with them]], enabling [[spoiler: House Lannister]] to win the War of Five Kings.
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'''Instead''': Robb [[OffWithHisHead executes him]] as [[HonorBeforeReason his punishment for killing the boys]]. As a results, the Karstarks march back north, forcing Robb to ask for the Freys' help, clearly the last men to ask for help. This, combined with Robb's [[LoveIsAWeakness breaking of his vow to the Freys]] ie. [[spoiler: marrying one of the Frey girls]], ends with [[spoiler:[[DownerEnding Robb's death, his wife's death, his mother's death, his ENTIRE army's perishing, his wolf's death, his uncle as a captive, at the uncle's wedding more infamously remembered as '''The Red Wedding'''.]] The Northern State's North's call for independence ends with them]], enabling [[spoiler: House Lannister]] to win the War of Five Kings.
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* Lord Commander Morment is a crowning moment of HonorBeforeReason, he firmly believes in SacredHospitality, but have a look at the Monster page and read up on Craster to see just what Morment has to put up with.
** '''You'd expect:''' He forego his honor for once, he'd made allowances for Jon Snow after all, kill Craster and put, say, Sam in his place as weighstation beyond the Wall.
**'''Instead:''' He ignores it. As well as directly recruiting for the White Walkers Morment's lack of action led to the Craster's Keep mutiny, losses for the watch as well as the rise of the "Fookin legend of Gin Alley."
** '''You'd expect:''' He forego his honor for once, he'd made allowances for Jon Snow after all, kill Craster and put, say, Sam in his place as weighstation beyond the Wall.
**'''Instead:''' He ignores it. As well as directly recruiting for the White Walkers Morment's lack of action led to the Craster's Keep mutiny, losses for the watch as well as the rise of the "Fookin legend of Gin Alley."
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'''Even worse:'' [[spoiler: The caches are never removed and eventually Cersei discovers one, using it to blow up the Great Sept and murder all her political rivals, which is exactly what Jaime wanted to prevent the Mad King from doing.]]
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'''Even worse:'' worse:''' [[spoiler: The caches are never removed and eventually Cersei discovers one, using it to blow up the Great Sept and murder all her political rivals, which is exactly what Jaime wanted to prevent the Mad King from doing.]]
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'''Instead''': Jaime refuses to even try telling anyone, starting with "the honorable Ned Stark", earning a reputation as a kingslayer that makes him a bitter man without honor and ensures that he never gets along with Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon, eventually sparking a conflict. Even worse: [[spoiler: The caches are never removed and eventually Cersei discovers one, using it to blow up the Great Sept and murder all her political rivals, which is exactly what Jaime wanted to prevent the Mad King from doing.]]
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'''Even worse:'' [[spoiler: The caches are never removed and eventually Cersei discovers one, using it to blow up the Great Sept and murder all her political rivals, which is exactly what Jaime wanted to prevent the Mad King from doing.]]
'''Even worse:'' [[spoiler: The caches are never removed and eventually Cersei discovers one, using it to blow up the Great Sept and murder all her political rivals, which is exactly what Jaime wanted to prevent the Mad King from doing.]]
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* Jaime in the backstory. It turns out he had a very good reason to kill Aerys there and then, which he doesn't share with anyone until much later. [[spoiler: Namely, that the king had hidden caches of wildfire all across King's Landing and his FamousLastWords ("Burn them all") weren't just rambling about the Starks he was torturing, but him giving the order to blow up the whole city.]]
'''You'd expect:''' For Jaime to immediately alert anyone willing to listen. Even if he's harsh and self-righteous, an honorable man like Ned Stark would not have dismissed this, and it's not like Jaime didn't have any proof - [[spoiler: the wildfire was still there]].
'''You'd expect:''' For Jaime to immediately alert anyone willing to listen. Even if he's harsh and self-righteous, an honorable man like Ned Stark would not have dismissed this, and it's not like Jaime didn't have any proof - [[spoiler: the wildfire was still there]].
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* Jaime in the backstory. It turns out he had a very good reason to kill Aerys there and then, which he doesn't share with anyone until much later. [[spoiler: Namely, that the king had hidden caches of wildfire all across King's Landing and his FamousLastWords ("Burn them all") weren't just rambling about the Starks he was torturing, but him giving the order to blow up the whole city.]]
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'''You'd expect:''' For Jaime to immediately alert anyone willing to listen. Even if he's harsh and self-righteous, an honorable man like Ned Stark would not have dismissed this, and it's not like Jaime didn't have any proof - [[spoiler: the wildfire was still there]].\\
'''You'd expect:''' For Jaime to immediately alert anyone willing to listen. Even if he's harsh and self-righteous, an honorable man like Ned Stark would not have dismissed this, and it's not like Jaime didn't have any proof - [[spoiler: the wildfire was still there]].\\
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* Jaime in the backstory. It turns out he had a very good reason to kill Aerys there and then, which he doesn't share with anyone until much later. [[spoiler: Namely, that the king had hidden caches of wildfire all across King's Landing and his FamousLastWords ("Burn them all") weren't just rambling about the Starks he was torturing, but him giving the order to blow up the whole city.]]
'''You'd expect:''' For Jaime to immediately alert anyone willing to listen. Even if he's harsh and self-righteous, an honorable man like Ned Stark would not have dismissed this, and it's not like Jaime didn't have any proof - [[spoiler: the wildfire was still there]].
'''Instead''': Jaime refuses to even try telling anyone, starting with "the honorable Ned Stark", earning a reputation as a kingslayer that makes him a bitter man without honor and ensures that he never gets along with Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon, eventually sparking a conflict. Even worse: [[spoiler: The caches are never removed and eventually Cersei discovers one, using it to blow up the Great Sept and murder all her political rivals, which is exactly what Jaime wanted to prevent the Mad King from doing.]]
'''You'd expect:''' For Jaime to immediately alert anyone willing to listen. Even if he's harsh and self-righteous, an honorable man like Ned Stark would not have dismissed this, and it's not like Jaime didn't have any proof - [[spoiler: the wildfire was still there]].
'''Instead''': Jaime refuses to even try telling anyone, starting with "the honorable Ned Stark", earning a reputation as a kingslayer that makes him a bitter man without honor and ensures that he never gets along with Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon, eventually sparking a conflict. Even worse: [[spoiler: The caches are never removed and eventually Cersei discovers one, using it to blow up the Great Sept and murder all her political rivals, which is exactly what Jaime wanted to prevent the Mad King from doing.]]
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* During the Battle of Goldroad, Daenerys and Drogon have been grounded. The Dothraki have [[CurbStompBattle devasted the Lannister and Tarly forces]] with the rest of them burning to ash. However Jaime can see Daenerys in the open trying to remove the bolt that pierced Drogon's wing.
'''You'd Expect''': Seeing the ''fucking'' DRAGON right next to her, that he should just cut his losses and run for it while he still can. Even Tyrion lampshades this, muttering for him to flee.
'''Instead''': Like the traditional Knight in Armor, Jaime grabs a nearby spear and rushes straight towards Daenerys, attempting to run her down. AGAIN Tyrion lampshades this:
'''Tyrion'''--> "You idiot. You ''fucking'' idiot."
'''You'd Expect''': Seeing the ''fucking'' DRAGON right next to her, that he should just cut his losses and run for it while he still can. Even Tyrion lampshades this, muttering for him to flee.
'''Instead''': Like the traditional Knight in Armor, Jaime grabs a nearby spear and rushes straight towards Daenerys, attempting to run her down. AGAIN Tyrion lampshades this:
'''Tyrion'''--> "You idiot. You ''fucking'' idiot."
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* During the Battle of Goldroad, Daenerys and Drogon have been grounded. The Dothraki have [[CurbStompBattle devasted the Lannister and Tarly forces]] with the rest of them burning to ash. However Jaime can see Daenerys in the open trying to remove the bolt that pierced Drogon's wing.
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'''You'd Expect''': Seeing the ''fucking'' DRAGON right next to her, that he should just cut his losses and run for it while he still can. Even Tyrion lampshades this, muttering for him toflee.
flee.\\
'''Instead''': Like the traditional Knight in Armor, Jaime grabs a nearby spear and rushes straight towards Daenerys, attempting to run her down. AGAIN Tyrion lampshadesthis:
'''Tyrion'''-->this: "You idiot. You ''fucking'' idiot.""\\
'''You'd Expect''': Seeing the ''fucking'' DRAGON right next to her, that he should just cut his losses and run for it while he still can. Even Tyrion lampshades this, muttering for him to
'''Instead''': Like the traditional Knight in Armor, Jaime grabs a nearby spear and rushes straight towards Daenerys, attempting to run her down. AGAIN Tyrion lampshades
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* After [[spoiler:murdering all of the House of Frey, Arya decides to return to King's Landing to assassinate Cersei. Along the way she encounters a group of peacekeeping Lannister soldiers, implied to be new blood and the bottom of the barrel.]]\\
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* After In Season 7, after [[spoiler:murdering all of the House of Frey, Arya decides to return to King's Landing to assassinate Cersei. Along the way she encounters a group of peacekeeping Lannister soldiers, implied to be new blood and the bottom of the barrel.]]\\
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'''You'd Expect''': Seeing the ''fucking'' DRAGON right next to her, that he should just cut his losses and run for it while he still can. Even Tyrion lampshades this, muttering for him to flee.
'''Instead''': Like the traditional Knight in Armor, Jaime grabs a nearby spear and rushes straight towards Daenerys, attempting to run her down. AGAIN Tyrion lampshades this:
'''Tyrion'''--> "You idiot. You ''fucking'' idiot."
'''As A Result''': Drogon notices Jaime and attempts to burn him alive. Bronn intercepts Jaime's charge at the last second, tackling them both into the river. Even then, Jaime nearly drowns due to his armor weighing him down.
'''You'd Expect''': Seeing the ''fucking'' DRAGON right next to her, that he should just cut his losses and run for it while he still can. Even Tyrion lampshades this, muttering for him to flee.
'''Instead''': Like the traditional Knight in Armor, Jaime grabs a nearby spear and rushes straight towards Daenerys, attempting to run her down. AGAIN Tyrion lampshades this:
'''Tyrion'''--> "You idiot. You ''fucking'' idiot."
'''As A Result''': Drogon notices Jaime and attempts to burn him alive. Bronn intercepts Jaime's charge at the last second, tackling them both into the river. Even then, Jaime nearly drowns due to his armor weighing him down.
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Note that these examples can also apply to [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire A Song Of Ice And Fire.]]
* In general, Tywin Lannister's goal above all else is to see his family prosper, which he intends for it to do long after he's dead. To this end, he tries to marry off his daughter Cersei and have the golden boy Jaime be his heir.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Tywin would understand that the reason his house prospers now is because of his political acumen, and of his three children, the only one that shares that skill is Tyrion, TheUnfavorite. Note that his enemies do understand that Tywin is the linchpin of the Lannisters, and have exploited it at times. Since making Tyrion heir is out of the question, at least make sure he's putting his mind to good use. By Tywin's own admission, Cersei isn't a competent replacement and Jaime's talents lie in fighting, not statesmanship.\\
'''Instead:''' Tywin tries to pull {{Uriah Gambit}}s on Tyrion several times, flatly insults his desire to be heir, and only recognizes his talents insofar as they're immediately useful. As a result, [[spoiler:when Tyrion kills Tywin and flees the continent]], Cersei makes a string of bad decisions that pretty much destroys the influence of House Lannister.
* Ned and Catelyn Stark are trying to figure out who put a hit out on their son. Their investigations lead them to Tyrion Lannister, who happens to be '''A:''' the son of Tywin Lannister, who's probably the most wealthy, powerful and influential lord in Westeros, and '''B:''' the little brother of Jaime Lannister, one of the most skilled swordsmen on the continent, and the guy who made the choice to kill the last King of Westeros.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Ned to go directly to Robert with the details as soon as he could and Catelyn to not do something so foolish as kidnap the son of the richest and most ruthless man in Westeros with no plan for what to do next, even if she did think he had tried to kill her child.\\
'''Instead:''' Catelyn takes action as soon as the Starks have all the information they think they need, and arrests Tyrion as soon as she gets the chance. Tywin, regarding this as an affront to the Lannisters, has [[TheDragon The Mountain]] lead a RapePillageAndBurn campaign against the Riverlands (Catelyn's homeland) in retaliation. Jaime, [[BigBrotherInstinct not taking kindly]] to this either, challenges Ned to a duel, and later joins his father's war in the Riverlands.
* Viserys Targaryen has made a deal with Dothraki leader Khal Drogo: Viserys will give Drogo a wife in the form of his sister Daenerys, and in exchange, Drogo will provide Viserys with an army of Dothraki, which he can use to conquer Westeros. Several weeks after the wedding, Drogo has yet to fulfill his part of the deal, since Viserys did not specify a date for when he wanted the army.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Viserys to arrange a meeting with Drogo and ask him to provide the army as per their deal, while at least trying to be polite about it. It also wouldn't hurt to not try and provoke the barbarian warlord in question.\\
'''Instead:''' Viserys gets drunk, storms into Drogo's tent, makes impatient demands of the Khal, and threatens to murder Drogo and Daenerys's unborn child, assuming that he'll be safe from retaliation due to the Dothraki being forbidden from spilling blood in their present location. Drogo subsequently [[spoiler: crowns him with a pot of melted gold, killing him]].
* Another Viserys gaffe; he can't stand the Dothraki culture, nor being ordered around by his sister.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Viserys to simply kick his feet up in Illyrio's palace and be treated like royalty.\\
'''Instead:''' He decides to join the Dothraki, insult them constantly, attack his sister, all the while hating every second of it. Even Daenerys gets sick of him, and soon he's forced to walk alongside the Khalasar like a slave.
* Ned has just sussed out the secret that got his mentor, Jon Arryn, killed and someone tried to kill his son to protect. Namely that [[spoiler:the king's son and heir was sired by the queen's twin brother.]] Also King Robert [[spoiler:has a reputation for killing anyone that poses even a mere threat, like Daenaerys.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': Since he knows people have killed for this secret, he'd keep a lid on it until King Robert gets back, then tell him in private and let him handle it. Alternatively, he tells King Robert to [[spoiler:make a vow to not hurt the children, and remind him to be an honorable kind.]]\\
'''Instead''': In an effort to "spare the children", Ned tells [[spoiler:Queen Cersei]] that he knows and advises her to vamoose before Robert returns, expecting her to be shamed into leaving. Unfortunately for him, Robert returns with [[spoiler:a fatal hunting wound]], leaving Ned unwilling to tell him the truth. What follows is a series of LawfulStupid decisions, ultimately leading to [[spoiler: Ned's execution by [[OffWithHisHead beheading]] at the hands of one of the "children" he tried to spare.]]
* In Season 3, Lord Rickard Karstark, one of Robb's bannermen on [[spoiler: march to Casterly Rock]], [[RevengeBeforeReason kills two captured Lannister boys]] at Riverrun [[spoiler: due to the Kingslayer's escape]] and is subsequently arrested.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Robb to keep him prisoner, and negotiate with the Karstarks, especially when a chunk of army consists of the Karstarks.\\
'''Instead''': Robb [[OffWithHisHead executes him]] as [[HonorBeforeReason his punishment for killing the boys]]. As a results, the Karstarks march back north, forcing Robb to ask for the Freys' help, clearly the last men to ask for help. This, combined with Robb's [[LoveIsAWeakness breaking of his vow to the Freys]] ie. [[spoiler: marrying one of the Frey girls]], ends with [[spoiler:[[DownerEnding Robb's death, his wife's death, his mother's death, his ENTIRE army's perishing, his wolf's death, his uncle as a captive, at the uncle's wedding more infamously remembered as '''The Red Wedding'''.]] The Northern State's call for independence ends with them]], enabling [[spoiler: House Lannister]] to win the War of Five Kings.
* At the Purple Wedding, [[spoiler:Joffrey starts choking. It takes a few moments for everyone to realize that he's been poisoned, and he's dying. While doing so, he points at Tyrion, who comes to examine the wineglass.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': That someone would use their head. As Tyrion lampshades, [[spoiler:if he had poisoned Joffrey, he wouldn't have been stupid enough to stand in front of him and examine his wineglass. Also, there is no poison on him, and he hasn't had an opportunity to drop something in the drink.]]\\
'''Instead''': No one uses common sense to [[spoiler:defend Tyrion, not even his brother. Cersei gets to carry on a KangarooCourt trial which is damnably convincing due to a SurpriseWitness taking Tyrion's remarks out of context. As a result, Tyrion decides to no longer help his family after he's sentenced to death, murders Tywin, and leaves Westeros on getting the opportunity. This means that [[NiceJobFixingItVillain thanks to Cersei]], Dany has the smartest Lannister as a right hand man, and a power struggle ensues because no one can keep the realm together. By the time Jaime finds out from Olenna, after he defeats her army and gives her poison as a MercyKill, he realizes how things messed up so badly.]]
* In season 4, during Oberyn Martell's duel with Gregor Clegane he repeatedly accuses him of murdering his sister Elia Martell's children before raping and murdering her.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Gregor to focus on their duel.\\
'''Instead''': While he ''does'' [[spoiler: win the duel and kill Oberyn]], he also shouts very loudly that he did exactly what Oberyn's accused him of. While in front of a crowd of [=VIPs=] including more than a few of the Martell family's servants and sworn lords. And the Martells are a powerful family that the Lannisters desperately need at least neutral in Westeros affairs while Gregor is just a useful killer. Really, even if Oberyn [[spoiler: hadn't poisoned Gregor with one of his weapons and gotten in several life threatening wounds]], Gregor would still definitely [[spoiler: be facing death one way or another]]. Also, thanks to Gregor, [[spoiler:Ellaria Sand has sufficient reason to murder Myrcela in revenge later on, in front of Jaime no less when he was coming to "rescue" her from the Martells.]]
* End of season 4. Tywin Lannister is on the privy when he's confronted by a would-be assassin with both a crossbow, and ample reason to want him dead: [[spoiler: his son Tyrion]]. The assassin decides not to shoot Tywin immediately.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Tywin to try and avoid provoking the assassin until either help arrives, or he gets an opportunity to talk the guy out of killing him.\\
'''Instead:''' Tywin refers to the assassin's dead girlfriend as a whore multiple times, despite the assassin warning him not to do so. [[spoiler: He gets shot and killed as a result]].
* After the duel between the Mountain and Oberyn, Ellaria Sand is furious and demanding that [[spoiler:the Martells execute their hostage Myrcella Lannister in revenge. Doran Martell refuses because the Martells won't stoop to the levels of the Lannisters and murder children.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': That to compensate Ellaria that the Martells would demand compensation for [[spoiler:the deaths of many of their family members and the body of Gregor Clegane, and make an example of it. That way she is satisfied with seeing her lover's killer. Also that Doran would keep Ellaria from Myrcella.]]\\
'''Instead''': Doran opts for {{Forgiveness}} and negotiates with Jaime to let [[spoiler:Myrcella travel with her betrothed, Trystane Martell, and tries to give Ellaria a second chance. She murders Myrcella with poisonous lipstick, then murders Doran and Trystane to take control of their kingdom. As of season seven, Ellaria's sole Lannister casualty is Myrcella, whose death only makes Cersei ''more'' dangerous.]]
* Littlefinger has [[spoiler:set his sights on Sansa now that Cat is dead, and spirits her away to the Vale. After her aunt tries to kill her, if not for Petyr's interference, Sansa decides to put her trust in Littelfinger. As she tells him, he's the only person who has tried to keep her alive and safe, apart from Tyrion who has been locked up. Joffrey has abused her, Cersei has bullied her, and Lysa has attempted to murder her. The Tyrells and Baratheons have failed to offer any help.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': For Littlefinger to do what he did in the books: [[spoiler:keep Sansa at his side in the vale and out of the game for as long as he can, while educating her in its fine arts. That way he has a successor, and the perfect ReplacementGoldfish for Cat.]]\\
'''Instead''': Littlefinger [[spoiler:sells Sansa in marriage to Ramsay Snow. Ramsay proceeds to lock her up, rape her, and destroy any hope she has of escaping. While Sansa escapes thanks to a regretful Theon "Reek" Greyjoy, she refuses to trust Littlefinger and says that he was either an idiot for not knowing about Ramsay being a monster, or her enemy for knowing and hatching the scheme anyway. While she reluctantly accepts his army in the subsequent battle against Ramsay, his chances of being with Sansa are shot with Jon as her new ally, and with her newfound capacity for cruelty.]]
* For financial reasons, the Tyrells and Lannisters have allied in a political match, with [[spoiler:Margaery eventually becoming Tommen's bride.]] Olenna nevertheless wants to keep her grandchildren and son safe, and keeps sending hints to Cersei that she will go MamaBear if the occasion calls for it. Also, the Lannisters need the Tyrells' funds.\\
'''You'd Expect''': That either Cersei would decide to be pragmatic, and also keep her son happy since [[spoiler:Tommen is HappilyMarried to Margaery at the tender age of fourteen]]. Alternatively, Olenna realizes that Cersei isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, given Cersei was stupid enough to [[spoiler:charge Tyrion for Joffrey's murder when Olenna did the deed]], and has delusions of being powerful.\\
'''Instead''': Neither party thinks this far ahead. As a result, [[spoiler:Cersei sets the High Sparrow on Margaery and Loras, earns the Sparrow's wrath when her cousin confesses to sleeping with her, and later on kills the Sparrows and the Tyrells, except Olenna, at her "trial". Tommen also kills himself when he sees the fire and realizes his wife is dead. Olenna becomes a DeathSeeker and allies with Dany to declare war once and for all on Queen Cersei, without thoughts of survival. This also means that the Lannisters have no food for their citizens when winter comes, since the House Tyrell controls all of it.]]
* In Season 6, Arya decides [[spoiler: to abandon her training to be a Faceless Man and return to Westeros.]] This then results in another apprentice who has hated Arya since day one to go after her. An old woman approaches Arya while she's wandering around the streets\\
'''You'd Expect''': Arya, since she's been training with this organisation and knows full well [[spoiler: ''they have the ability to freaking shapeshift'']], she would be wary of strangers and at least keep her guard up or tell her to stay back or something.\\
'''Instead''': Arya allows the strange woman to approach her and smiles, and [[SarcasmMode surprise!]] she's actually the assassin sent to kill her. Arya then gets stabbed several times for her trouble, then jumps into dirty river water to escape, then staggers around the streets dripping blood everywhere. [[spoiler: In a series where AnyoneCanDie, [[AssPull It's absolutely amazing]] [[PlotArmor she survives this.]]]]
* After [[spoiler:murdering all of the House of Frey, Arya decides to return to King's Landing to assassinate Cersei. Along the way she encounters a group of peacekeeping Lannister soldiers, implied to be new blood and the bottom of the barrel.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': The soldiers would be [[spoiler:suspicious of a girl wandering around on her own with a sword.]]\\
'''Instead''': They aren't. [[spoiler:They insist Arya sit with them and feed her, while talking about their hopes for their families. Fortunately Arya only kills people who have crossed her; she doesn't have it in her to go on a rampage against these men.]]
* Eventually [[spoiler:Arya and Bran make it back to Winterfell. Littlefinger is concerned since he's been suggesting to Sansa that she could become more than Jon's appointed Regent of the North, and Arya saw him working with Twyin Lannister. Things go FromBadToWorse when Bran reveals that with his powers he knows that Littlefinger betrayed their father]].\\
'''You'd Expect''': That Petyr would [[spoiler:retreat to the Vale and prepare for the wights, keeping a representative in Winterfell. Sansa's more of a lost cause with her family back, and Littlefinger prides himself on not getting trapped.]]\\
'''Instead''': Littlefinger [[spoiler:tries to turn Sansa and Arya against each other when he thinks he has an in with Sansa. This fails completely because the last time Sansa and Arya had a serious disagreement, they paid the price with Lady, Nymeria and Micah the butcher's boy; now that they are grown women who have suffered, they aren't going to lose each other again. Even worse, Sansa reveals that she and Arya faked a feud so as to lure Littlefinger into a trap, and to try him for murder and treason.]]
* At the trial, it's a very obvious KangarooCourt. [[spoiler:Lady Stark, aka Sansa, accuses Littlefinger of murdering Lysa, of murdering Jon Arryn by a proxy, of concocting the feud between the Lannisters and Starks by planting a blade, and of betraying their father to the Lannisters. All of this is true. She and her siblings only have eyewitness testimony-- their testimony, and Bran's is supported by visions.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': That [[spoiler:Littlefinger]] would point this out and mention that it's NotSoDifferent from what Cersei did to her brother Tyrion. Also that he would [[spoiler:deny the charges and point out that the evidence is flimsy. He has to sway the lords to his side, and could do so by appealing to common sense.]]\\
'''Instead''': [[spoiler:Littlefinger admits to murdering Lysa, but he claims it was to protect Sansa from her murderous aunt. So yes, he is guilty of murder, even if Sansa is complicit. His denials enter DiggingYourselfDeeper, and no one in the court supports him. Arya then executes him by slitting his throat.]]
* In general, Tywin Lannister's goal above all else is to see his family prosper, which he intends for it to do long after he's dead. To this end, he tries to marry off his daughter Cersei and have the golden boy Jaime be his heir.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Tywin would understand that the reason his house prospers now is because of his political acumen, and of his three children, the only one that shares that skill is Tyrion, TheUnfavorite. Note that his enemies do understand that Tywin is the linchpin of the Lannisters, and have exploited it at times. Since making Tyrion heir is out of the question, at least make sure he's putting his mind to good use. By Tywin's own admission, Cersei isn't a competent replacement and Jaime's talents lie in fighting, not statesmanship.\\
'''Instead:''' Tywin tries to pull {{Uriah Gambit}}s on Tyrion several times, flatly insults his desire to be heir, and only recognizes his talents insofar as they're immediately useful. As a result, [[spoiler:when Tyrion kills Tywin and flees the continent]], Cersei makes a string of bad decisions that pretty much destroys the influence of House Lannister.
* Ned and Catelyn Stark are trying to figure out who put a hit out on their son. Their investigations lead them to Tyrion Lannister, who happens to be '''A:''' the son of Tywin Lannister, who's probably the most wealthy, powerful and influential lord in Westeros, and '''B:''' the little brother of Jaime Lannister, one of the most skilled swordsmen on the continent, and the guy who made the choice to kill the last King of Westeros.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Ned to go directly to Robert with the details as soon as he could and Catelyn to not do something so foolish as kidnap the son of the richest and most ruthless man in Westeros with no plan for what to do next, even if she did think he had tried to kill her child.\\
'''Instead:''' Catelyn takes action as soon as the Starks have all the information they think they need, and arrests Tyrion as soon as she gets the chance. Tywin, regarding this as an affront to the Lannisters, has [[TheDragon The Mountain]] lead a RapePillageAndBurn campaign against the Riverlands (Catelyn's homeland) in retaliation. Jaime, [[BigBrotherInstinct not taking kindly]] to this either, challenges Ned to a duel, and later joins his father's war in the Riverlands.
* Viserys Targaryen has made a deal with Dothraki leader Khal Drogo: Viserys will give Drogo a wife in the form of his sister Daenerys, and in exchange, Drogo will provide Viserys with an army of Dothraki, which he can use to conquer Westeros. Several weeks after the wedding, Drogo has yet to fulfill his part of the deal, since Viserys did not specify a date for when he wanted the army.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Viserys to arrange a meeting with Drogo and ask him to provide the army as per their deal, while at least trying to be polite about it. It also wouldn't hurt to not try and provoke the barbarian warlord in question.\\
'''Instead:''' Viserys gets drunk, storms into Drogo's tent, makes impatient demands of the Khal, and threatens to murder Drogo and Daenerys's unborn child, assuming that he'll be safe from retaliation due to the Dothraki being forbidden from spilling blood in their present location. Drogo subsequently [[spoiler: crowns him with a pot of melted gold, killing him]].
* Another Viserys gaffe; he can't stand the Dothraki culture, nor being ordered around by his sister.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Viserys to simply kick his feet up in Illyrio's palace and be treated like royalty.\\
'''Instead:''' He decides to join the Dothraki, insult them constantly, attack his sister, all the while hating every second of it. Even Daenerys gets sick of him, and soon he's forced to walk alongside the Khalasar like a slave.
* Ned has just sussed out the secret that got his mentor, Jon Arryn, killed and someone tried to kill his son to protect. Namely that [[spoiler:the king's son and heir was sired by the queen's twin brother.]] Also King Robert [[spoiler:has a reputation for killing anyone that poses even a mere threat, like Daenaerys.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': Since he knows people have killed for this secret, he'd keep a lid on it until King Robert gets back, then tell him in private and let him handle it. Alternatively, he tells King Robert to [[spoiler:make a vow to not hurt the children, and remind him to be an honorable kind.]]\\
'''Instead''': In an effort to "spare the children", Ned tells [[spoiler:Queen Cersei]] that he knows and advises her to vamoose before Robert returns, expecting her to be shamed into leaving. Unfortunately for him, Robert returns with [[spoiler:a fatal hunting wound]], leaving Ned unwilling to tell him the truth. What follows is a series of LawfulStupid decisions, ultimately leading to [[spoiler: Ned's execution by [[OffWithHisHead beheading]] at the hands of one of the "children" he tried to spare.]]
* In Season 3, Lord Rickard Karstark, one of Robb's bannermen on [[spoiler: march to Casterly Rock]], [[RevengeBeforeReason kills two captured Lannister boys]] at Riverrun [[spoiler: due to the Kingslayer's escape]] and is subsequently arrested.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Robb to keep him prisoner, and negotiate with the Karstarks, especially when a chunk of army consists of the Karstarks.\\
'''Instead''': Robb [[OffWithHisHead executes him]] as [[HonorBeforeReason his punishment for killing the boys]]. As a results, the Karstarks march back north, forcing Robb to ask for the Freys' help, clearly the last men to ask for help. This, combined with Robb's [[LoveIsAWeakness breaking of his vow to the Freys]] ie. [[spoiler: marrying one of the Frey girls]], ends with [[spoiler:[[DownerEnding Robb's death, his wife's death, his mother's death, his ENTIRE army's perishing, his wolf's death, his uncle as a captive, at the uncle's wedding more infamously remembered as '''The Red Wedding'''.]] The Northern State's call for independence ends with them]], enabling [[spoiler: House Lannister]] to win the War of Five Kings.
* At the Purple Wedding, [[spoiler:Joffrey starts choking. It takes a few moments for everyone to realize that he's been poisoned, and he's dying. While doing so, he points at Tyrion, who comes to examine the wineglass.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': That someone would use their head. As Tyrion lampshades, [[spoiler:if he had poisoned Joffrey, he wouldn't have been stupid enough to stand in front of him and examine his wineglass. Also, there is no poison on him, and he hasn't had an opportunity to drop something in the drink.]]\\
'''Instead''': No one uses common sense to [[spoiler:defend Tyrion, not even his brother. Cersei gets to carry on a KangarooCourt trial which is damnably convincing due to a SurpriseWitness taking Tyrion's remarks out of context. As a result, Tyrion decides to no longer help his family after he's sentenced to death, murders Tywin, and leaves Westeros on getting the opportunity. This means that [[NiceJobFixingItVillain thanks to Cersei]], Dany has the smartest Lannister as a right hand man, and a power struggle ensues because no one can keep the realm together. By the time Jaime finds out from Olenna, after he defeats her army and gives her poison as a MercyKill, he realizes how things messed up so badly.]]
* In season 4, during Oberyn Martell's duel with Gregor Clegane he repeatedly accuses him of murdering his sister Elia Martell's children before raping and murdering her.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Gregor to focus on their duel.\\
'''Instead''': While he ''does'' [[spoiler: win the duel and kill Oberyn]], he also shouts very loudly that he did exactly what Oberyn's accused him of. While in front of a crowd of [=VIPs=] including more than a few of the Martell family's servants and sworn lords. And the Martells are a powerful family that the Lannisters desperately need at least neutral in Westeros affairs while Gregor is just a useful killer. Really, even if Oberyn [[spoiler: hadn't poisoned Gregor with one of his weapons and gotten in several life threatening wounds]], Gregor would still definitely [[spoiler: be facing death one way or another]]. Also, thanks to Gregor, [[spoiler:Ellaria Sand has sufficient reason to murder Myrcela in revenge later on, in front of Jaime no less when he was coming to "rescue" her from the Martells.]]
* End of season 4. Tywin Lannister is on the privy when he's confronted by a would-be assassin with both a crossbow, and ample reason to want him dead: [[spoiler: his son Tyrion]]. The assassin decides not to shoot Tywin immediately.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Tywin to try and avoid provoking the assassin until either help arrives, or he gets an opportunity to talk the guy out of killing him.\\
'''Instead:''' Tywin refers to the assassin's dead girlfriend as a whore multiple times, despite the assassin warning him not to do so. [[spoiler: He gets shot and killed as a result]].
* After the duel between the Mountain and Oberyn, Ellaria Sand is furious and demanding that [[spoiler:the Martells execute their hostage Myrcella Lannister in revenge. Doran Martell refuses because the Martells won't stoop to the levels of the Lannisters and murder children.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': That to compensate Ellaria that the Martells would demand compensation for [[spoiler:the deaths of many of their family members and the body of Gregor Clegane, and make an example of it. That way she is satisfied with seeing her lover's killer. Also that Doran would keep Ellaria from Myrcella.]]\\
'''Instead''': Doran opts for {{Forgiveness}} and negotiates with Jaime to let [[spoiler:Myrcella travel with her betrothed, Trystane Martell, and tries to give Ellaria a second chance. She murders Myrcella with poisonous lipstick, then murders Doran and Trystane to take control of their kingdom. As of season seven, Ellaria's sole Lannister casualty is Myrcella, whose death only makes Cersei ''more'' dangerous.]]
* Littlefinger has [[spoiler:set his sights on Sansa now that Cat is dead, and spirits her away to the Vale. After her aunt tries to kill her, if not for Petyr's interference, Sansa decides to put her trust in Littelfinger. As she tells him, he's the only person who has tried to keep her alive and safe, apart from Tyrion who has been locked up. Joffrey has abused her, Cersei has bullied her, and Lysa has attempted to murder her. The Tyrells and Baratheons have failed to offer any help.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': For Littlefinger to do what he did in the books: [[spoiler:keep Sansa at his side in the vale and out of the game for as long as he can, while educating her in its fine arts. That way he has a successor, and the perfect ReplacementGoldfish for Cat.]]\\
'''Instead''': Littlefinger [[spoiler:sells Sansa in marriage to Ramsay Snow. Ramsay proceeds to lock her up, rape her, and destroy any hope she has of escaping. While Sansa escapes thanks to a regretful Theon "Reek" Greyjoy, she refuses to trust Littlefinger and says that he was either an idiot for not knowing about Ramsay being a monster, or her enemy for knowing and hatching the scheme anyway. While she reluctantly accepts his army in the subsequent battle against Ramsay, his chances of being with Sansa are shot with Jon as her new ally, and with her newfound capacity for cruelty.]]
* For financial reasons, the Tyrells and Lannisters have allied in a political match, with [[spoiler:Margaery eventually becoming Tommen's bride.]] Olenna nevertheless wants to keep her grandchildren and son safe, and keeps sending hints to Cersei that she will go MamaBear if the occasion calls for it. Also, the Lannisters need the Tyrells' funds.\\
'''You'd Expect''': That either Cersei would decide to be pragmatic, and also keep her son happy since [[spoiler:Tommen is HappilyMarried to Margaery at the tender age of fourteen]]. Alternatively, Olenna realizes that Cersei isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, given Cersei was stupid enough to [[spoiler:charge Tyrion for Joffrey's murder when Olenna did the deed]], and has delusions of being powerful.\\
'''Instead''': Neither party thinks this far ahead. As a result, [[spoiler:Cersei sets the High Sparrow on Margaery and Loras, earns the Sparrow's wrath when her cousin confesses to sleeping with her, and later on kills the Sparrows and the Tyrells, except Olenna, at her "trial". Tommen also kills himself when he sees the fire and realizes his wife is dead. Olenna becomes a DeathSeeker and allies with Dany to declare war once and for all on Queen Cersei, without thoughts of survival. This also means that the Lannisters have no food for their citizens when winter comes, since the House Tyrell controls all of it.]]
* In Season 6, Arya decides [[spoiler: to abandon her training to be a Faceless Man and return to Westeros.]] This then results in another apprentice who has hated Arya since day one to go after her. An old woman approaches Arya while she's wandering around the streets\\
'''You'd Expect''': Arya, since she's been training with this organisation and knows full well [[spoiler: ''they have the ability to freaking shapeshift'']], she would be wary of strangers and at least keep her guard up or tell her to stay back or something.\\
'''Instead''': Arya allows the strange woman to approach her and smiles, and [[SarcasmMode surprise!]] she's actually the assassin sent to kill her. Arya then gets stabbed several times for her trouble, then jumps into dirty river water to escape, then staggers around the streets dripping blood everywhere. [[spoiler: In a series where AnyoneCanDie, [[AssPull It's absolutely amazing]] [[PlotArmor she survives this.]]]]
* After [[spoiler:murdering all of the House of Frey, Arya decides to return to King's Landing to assassinate Cersei. Along the way she encounters a group of peacekeeping Lannister soldiers, implied to be new blood and the bottom of the barrel.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': The soldiers would be [[spoiler:suspicious of a girl wandering around on her own with a sword.]]\\
'''Instead''': They aren't. [[spoiler:They insist Arya sit with them and feed her, while talking about their hopes for their families. Fortunately Arya only kills people who have crossed her; she doesn't have it in her to go on a rampage against these men.]]
* Eventually [[spoiler:Arya and Bran make it back to Winterfell. Littlefinger is concerned since he's been suggesting to Sansa that she could become more than Jon's appointed Regent of the North, and Arya saw him working with Twyin Lannister. Things go FromBadToWorse when Bran reveals that with his powers he knows that Littlefinger betrayed their father]].\\
'''You'd Expect''': That Petyr would [[spoiler:retreat to the Vale and prepare for the wights, keeping a representative in Winterfell. Sansa's more of a lost cause with her family back, and Littlefinger prides himself on not getting trapped.]]\\
'''Instead''': Littlefinger [[spoiler:tries to turn Sansa and Arya against each other when he thinks he has an in with Sansa. This fails completely because the last time Sansa and Arya had a serious disagreement, they paid the price with Lady, Nymeria and Micah the butcher's boy; now that they are grown women who have suffered, they aren't going to lose each other again. Even worse, Sansa reveals that she and Arya faked a feud so as to lure Littlefinger into a trap, and to try him for murder and treason.]]
* At the trial, it's a very obvious KangarooCourt. [[spoiler:Lady Stark, aka Sansa, accuses Littlefinger of murdering Lysa, of murdering Jon Arryn by a proxy, of concocting the feud between the Lannisters and Starks by planting a blade, and of betraying their father to the Lannisters. All of this is true. She and her siblings only have eyewitness testimony-- their testimony, and Bran's is supported by visions.]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': That [[spoiler:Littlefinger]] would point this out and mention that it's NotSoDifferent from what Cersei did to her brother Tyrion. Also that he would [[spoiler:deny the charges and point out that the evidence is flimsy. He has to sway the lords to his side, and could do so by appealing to common sense.]]\\
'''Instead''': [[spoiler:Littlefinger admits to murdering Lysa, but he claims it was to protect Sansa from her murderous aunt. So yes, he is guilty of murder, even if Sansa is complicit. His denials enter DiggingYourselfDeeper, and no one in the court supports him. Arya then executes him by slitting his throat.]]
