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**** Things seem to lean towards C where Joshua takes the throne after the country was basically decimated in terms of advisers/etc by the succession war. As a result his line while secure was rather weak, dependent on Mercenaries like Armgrim to survive, leading to what we see in the first game. If it was A, it'd imply the worse case scenario concerning the surviving characters in the arc. The fact that Odin started doing memory wipes of Valkyries after C's ending is supported by it happening in the first game.
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**** The Valkyries are awakened in a cycle however. So if Lenneth was reawakened, there was a period before the original game where Hrist was the active Valkyrie.
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**** The Valkyries are awakened in a cycle however. With Silmeria out of the picture, Odin and Freya are left alternating between Hrist and Lenneth. So if Lenneth was reawakened, there was has to have been a period before between the original game and ''Covenant of the Plume'' where Hrist was the active Valkyrie.
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*** I don't think there always ''has'' to be a Valkyrie active on Midgard. From how Odin speaks in the first game, it came off to me like there hadn't been a Valkyrie working for a while, and he was calling her up to do one last shopping trip before Ragnarok started.
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*** I don't think there always ''has'' to be a Valkyrie active on Midgard. From how Odin speaks in the first game, it came off to me like there hadn't been a Valkyrie working for a while, and he was calling her up to do one last shopping trip before Ragnarok started.started.
**** The Valkyries are awakened in a cycle however. So if Lenneth was reawakened, there was a period before the original game where Hrist was the active Valkyrie.
**** The Valkyries are awakened in a cycle however. So if Lenneth was reawakened, there was a period before the original game where Hrist was the active Valkyrie.
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**** Okay, but couldn't Lenneth still be put on a "break" at the end of Path A. Because she was Platina in Artolia. Who would be the Valkyrie when Lenneth was within Platina?
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**** Okay, but couldn't Lenneth still be put on a "break" at the end of Path A. Because she was Platina in Artolia. Who would be the Valkyrie when Lenneth was within Platina?Platina?
*** I don't think there always ''has'' to be a Valkyrie active on Midgard. From how Odin speaks in the first game, it came off to me like there hadn't been a Valkyrie working for a while, and he was calling her up to do one last shopping trip before Ragnarok started.
*** I don't think there always ''has'' to be a Valkyrie active on Midgard. From how Odin speaks in the first game, it came off to me like there hadn't been a Valkyrie working for a while, and he was calling her up to do one last shopping trip before Ragnarok started.
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It has to be 26 years at the very least, because that's how old Arngrim is in the original game, and according to ''Covenant'', he's not incarnated on Midgard at that time. Also, it's a young prince (Joshua, who if he's Langrey and Kristoff's contemporary, would be in his early 20s) installed as King at the end of ''Covenant'', and Artolia's king at the start of ''Lenneth'' is a middle-aged man, and has a 14-year-old daughter--meaning either A. that young prince had to grow up, B. that's one of his descendants, or C. he was usurped. B is right out as that much time couldn't have passed--it has to be within Gandar's lifetime, and he's 67 in ''Lenneth''--I can't seem to find a concrete number for his age in ''Covenant''. C is possible, but if the king was a usurper, it would render ''Covenant'''s plot somewhat moot and besides, someone would have mentioned it--the king seen in ''Lenneth'' seems much more like he's been royalty a long time, rather than someone who overthrew a previous king.
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It has to be 26 years at the very least, because that's how old Arngrim is in the original game, and according to ''Covenant'', he's not incarnated on Midgard at that time. Also, it's a young prince (Joshua, who if he's Langrey and Kristoff's contemporary, would be in his early 20s) installed as King at the end of ''Covenant'', and Artolia's king at the start of ''Lenneth'' is a middle-aged man, and has a 14-year-old daughter--meaning either A. that young prince had to grow up, B. that's one of his descendants, or C. he was usurped. B is right out as that much time couldn't have passed--it has to be within Gandar's lifetime, and he's 67 in ''Lenneth''--I can't seem to find a concrete number for his age in ''Covenant''. C is possible, but if the king was a usurper, it would render ''Covenant'''s plot somewhat moot and besides, someone would have mentioned it--the king seen in ''Lenneth'' seems much more like he's been royalty a long time, rather than someone who overthrew a previous king.king.
****Okay, but couldn't Lenneth still be put on a "break" at the end of Path A. Because she was Platina in Artolia. Who would be the Valkyrie when Lenneth was within Platina?
****Okay, but couldn't Lenneth still be put on a "break" at the end of Path A. Because she was Platina in Artolia. Who would be the Valkyrie when Lenneth was within Platina?
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*** The A path is, in fact, canon.
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*** The A path is, in fact, canon.\\\
It has to be 26 years at the very least, because that's how old Arngrim is in the original game, and according to ''Covenant'', he's not incarnated on Midgard at that time. Also, it's a young prince (Joshua, who if he's Langrey and Kristoff's contemporary, would be in his early 20s) installed as King at the end of ''Covenant'', and Artolia's king at the start of ''Lenneth'' is a middle-aged man, and has a 14-year-old daughter--meaning either A. that young prince had to grow up, B. that's one of his descendants, or C. he was usurped. B is right out as that much time couldn't have passed--it has to be within Gandar's lifetime, and he's 67 in ''Lenneth''--I can't seem to find a concrete number for his age in ''Covenant''. C is possible, but if the king was a usurper, it would render ''Covenant'''s plot somewhat moot and besides, someone would have mentioned it--the king seen in ''Lenneth'' seems much more like he's been royalty a long time, rather than someone who overthrew a previous king.
It has to be 26 years at the very least, because that's how old Arngrim is in the original game, and according to ''Covenant'', he's not incarnated on Midgard at that time. Also, it's a young prince (Joshua, who if he's Langrey and Kristoff's contemporary, would be in his early 20s) installed as King at the end of ''Covenant'', and Artolia's king at the start of ''Lenneth'' is a middle-aged man, and has a 14-year-old daughter--meaning either A. that young prince had to grow up, B. that's one of his descendants, or C. he was usurped. B is right out as that much time couldn't have passed--it has to be within Gandar's lifetime, and he's 67 in ''Lenneth''--I can't seem to find a concrete number for his age in ''Covenant''. C is possible, but if the king was a usurper, it would render ''Covenant'''s plot somewhat moot and besides, someone would have mentioned it--the king seen in ''Lenneth'' seems much more like he's been royalty a long time, rather than someone who overthrew a previous king.
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** I'm not really sure when COTP takes place(I thought it was 10-20 years before Lenneth), but in the end, unless it's the A path that's "canon", Lenneth is out of commission and so is Silmeria. That only leaves Hrist as the Valkyrie. As for Gandar, he didn't look that young to me.
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** I'm not really sure when COTP takes place(I thought it was 10-20 years before Lenneth), but in the end, unless it's the A path that's "canon", Lenneth is out of commission and so is Silmeria. That only leaves Hrist as the Valkyrie. As for Gandar, he didn't look that young to me.me.
*** The A path is, in fact, canon.
*** The A path is, in fact, canon.
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* The biggest problem with this is the timeline. ''Covenant'' only takes place 40-50 years or so before the original game (a young Gandar makes an appearance), and there's no evidence that Hrist had been the active valkyrie that recently.
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* The biggest problem with this is the timeline. ''Covenant'' only takes place 40-50 years or so before the original game (a young Gandar makes an appearance), and there's no evidence that Hrist had been the active valkyrie that recently.recently.
**I'm not really sure when COTP takes place(I thought it was 10-20 years before Lenneth), but in the end, unless it's the A path that's "canon", Lenneth is out of commission and so is Silmeria. That only leaves Hrist as the Valkyrie. As for Gandar, he didn't look that young to me.
**I'm not really sure when COTP takes place(I thought it was 10-20 years before Lenneth), but in the end, unless it's the A path that's "canon", Lenneth is out of commission and so is Silmeria. That only leaves Hrist as the Valkyrie. As for Gandar, he didn't look that young to me.
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* The biggest problem with this is the timeline. ''Covenant'' only takes place 40-50 years or so before the original game (a young Gandar makes an appearance), and there's no evidence that Hrist had been the active valkyrie that recently.
