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[[WMG: Doc is related to [[WesternAnimation/TheDeep William Nekton]].]]

Specifically, the earth-based Plumbers spawned from the secret society that George Washington and Ben Franklin were a part of, in fact, Franklin himself was probably the original Secret Scientist, if only in spirit. As the Plumbers expanded their scientific divisions began to specialize until each area of research had a single head researcher (or small group like the Saturdays) which branched into the loosely organized Secret Scientist cadre of the modern day. Max asking for the Saturdays' help during "T.G.I.S." was the standard operating procedure for when the main Plumbers needed specialized assistance in areas like Cryptids. This would explain why the Scientists have so much leeway in working and traveling the world as it's stated that the Plumbers' authority is recognized by all Earth's governments in ''Ultimate Alien'' and, as extensions of the Plumbers, the Scientists get the same privilege as part of TheMasquerade that was in place until Ben was outed as a superhero and Earth became an open system by the time of ''Omniverse'', the only reason Cryptids are still being kept secret is that they can be manipulated by villains like Animo [[spoiler: and the reanimated Argost]], so the fewer people that know about them the better, thus the Secret Scientists are still kept, well, secret, while the Plumbers are publicly known.

Even putting aside carrying a child with all that Kur energy inside them both probably not being good for Drew's reproductive health, the Saturdays are very quick to adopt and claim Cryptids as family members even with their calling to study and observe their kind, such as accepting Fiskerton at Zak's insistence despite their intent to simply relocate him. While it would be a little heavy to include in a show at this level, both Drew and Doc are shown to be healthy adults well into their reproductive prime and while it's feasible they simply chose not to have any more biological children it wouldn't be a stretch that Drew faced some complications from her pregnancy of a Sumerian god-baby that is stated to have a hatred for humanity. It certainly makes her affection for her non-human children both more heartwarming and sadder at the same time.

Specifically, the earth-based Plumbers spawned from the secret society that George Washington and Ben Franklin were a part of, in fact, Franklin himself was probably the original Secret Scientist, if only in spirit. As the Plumbers expanded their scientific divisions began to specialize until each area of research had a single head researcher (or small group like the Saturdays) which branched into the loosely organized Secret Scientist cadre of the modern day. Max asking for the Saturdays' help during "T.G.I.S." was the standard operating procedure for when the main Plumbers needed specialized assistance in areas like Cryptids. This would explain why the Scientists have so much leeway in working and traveling the world as it's stated that the Plumbers' authority is recognized by all Earth's governments in ''Ultimate Alien'' and, as extensions of the Plumbers, the Scientists get the same privilege as part of TheMasquerade that was in place until Ben was outed as a superhero and Earth became an open system by the time of ''Omniverse'', the only reason Cryptids are still being kept secret is that they can be manipulated by villains like Animo [[spoiler: and the reanimated Argost]], so the less people that know about them the better, thus the Secret Scientists are still kept, well, secret, while the Plumbers are publicly known.

Distant cousins due to the lack of resemblance, but the similarities between the two (brilliant and accomplished African-American men with wives that are [[AcePilot ace pilots]] of their chosen element that live and travel on a CoolShip with their families of both human and non-human members) might just be InTheBlood. William and Keiko know about the Saturdays' work but keep it secret from their children because of the inherent danger of the Saturdays' RogueGallery being much more dangerous than their own. Though this does make [[spoiler: Fiskerton being a Lemurian]] rather amusing in context, though [[spoiler: the Nektons being descended from human Lemurians could still jive with Fiskerton's race being a member of the nation instead]]. Zak may not be that close to Ant or Fontaine, not because he doesn't like them or vice-versa, but because he has to keep the existence of his Cryptid siblings a secret from them; heck, they probably feel bad for Zak because [[{{Irony}} they think he's an only child that has nothing to do while his parents work in their lab.]]

So it's possible that once long ago, the Lemurians were once in the services of Kur before they were sealed.

It's possible Henry also has some form of PTSD from the mansion's nightmare fuel security or even had the unfortunate luck of facing Argost himself in the villain’s own home, not a situation most would walk away from with out some damage.

...[[Franchise/TheHauntedMansion the Ghost Host]]. Or rather, He's the man that becomes the Ghost Host. He was born as one of a pair of twins into the Gracey Family, destined to be the heir to the Manor. However, he left home for some reason, leaving his brother to be the heir. This brother was betrothed, wife died, he died, [[Main/KillEmAll everyone else but Epsilon died]], the end for that leg. His people [[Main/GasLeakCoverup made a cover-up]] to prevent word from coming out.
* Years later, in my theory, the case reopens, and Epsilon takes the case, against his people's will. From there, he tries find out the truth. The ghosts responsible for it, not wanting the truth to come up, decides to [[Main/GasLighting torment him]], from making the old artwork become gruesome at random moments (the changing portraits) to repainting his portrait (The Hanged Man from the corridor of doors) to making him see his brother age and decay at a rapid rate (the Master of the House portrait). On one night, everything goes freaky, and [[Main/DrivenToMadness he loses his remaining sanity]] and [[Main/DrivenToSuicide hanged himself]], and, well, [[Main/KillEmAll you know the rest]]. Just as they hid the incident at Gracey Manor, his people sealed the room he hung in and claimed he disappeared. It remains an "unsolved case" to this day.

We don't learn much about Kur in the show, other than that he's apparently [[InformedAttribute the evilest evil]] [[UpToEleven to ever evil]] [[{{Overkill}} the idea of evil.]] But where did anyone get that idea? Sure, he's ''powerful'', and most certainly dangerous, but so is ever other character and Cryptid in the show, even if Kur is unusually moreso. In the present Kur isn't well thought of, because for some reason every scientist and historian in the show 100% ascribes to the never-explained [[ShroudedInMyth legends surrounding him]], but in the past it seems he was actually well-respected. Clues:

It's possible Henry also has some form of PTSD from the mansion's nightmare fuel security or even had the unfortunate luck of facing Argost himself in his own home, not a situation most would walk away from with out some damage.

When you consider it, Zak isn't that morally different from what we can deduce about Kur. His family mirrors this: he's a bi-racial individual between two worlds who happily accepts and advocates for both human and non-human entities of all kinds and cultures.

[[WMG:Dr. Henry Chevejo gave Argost the Kur Stone because he was traumatized by Weird World]]
Henry never appears again after the first episode so we never find out more about him as a character or what it exactly he and Argost discussed. Just that the villain promised not to hurt the Saturdays if he was given the Kur Stone and Henry allowed himself to be used as a spy to find the last piece's location. We know he was one of the seven surviving Secret Scientists that raided Weird World to stop Argost, he was trusted enough to guard a piece of the Kur Stone and was willing to sacrifice himself to save the Saturdays.

It's possible Henry also has some form of PTSD from the mansion's nightmare fuel security or even had the unfortunate luck of facing Argost in his own home, not a situation most would walk away from with out some damage.

** This troper doesn't know about dark magic, but the idea of Kur's soul having split from Kur's former physical form would explain why Fisk's divining took them to Antartica to find Kur despite Kur being right next to them. Perhaps the Antarctic Cryptid was violent in part because it'd been stripped of part of itself.

** This would explain why Fisk's divining took them to Antartica to find Kur despite Kur being right next to them.

** If this is true, that means that Zak Monday may not have been the good Kur but the evil Kur.

* The Sumerians respected Kur enough to worship him as a deity and build him temples, suggesting that he may have been considered at least a patron god somewhere (in Sumerian religion, cities usually declared one or more of the gods as patron deities of their city in hopes that they would extend favors of protection to the people, a practice also done famously in Ancient Egypt and Greece). But regardless of what kind of relationship he had with them, Kur is constantly referred to as a Sumerian god, meaning he had a part in their culture and was definitely important enough to them that they went to extreme measures to protect his temple complex. That he had a functioning place in human society despite being a Cryptid that ruled primarily over other Cryptids is telling. Even more so is the fact that he chose to live in Sumer in the first place, the cradle of human civilization, when he could have picked anywhere else and never had to deal with humans.

...Fisk points so hard that his finger goes through the globe. Towards Zak.)

** If true, this theory becomes FridgeBrilliance when you consider where the show's writers got the name Kur. Kur is alternatively used in ancient writings from the period to describe: 1). An anthropomorphized concept of the Underworld, 2). the actual word for the underworld itself, and 3). the title for the king of that underworld (Sumerians often referred to political leaders by the lands they ruled). This underworld association actually works well with the show's mythology, if you know how Sumerians seemed to have interpreted the underworld. Going by the funerary artifacts they left behind, the Sumerian underworld appears to have been conceived as a topsy-turvery place where monsters dwelled, feasting was done, and animals were as intelligent, developed, and skillful as people. This could, in the show's context, be interpreted as different depictions of Kur's subjects, the cryptids. And Argost's insistence that Kur is an ancient being that "existed before time began" could mean that Kur ''did'' perpetuate himself by reincarnating as different beings, which would definitely associate him with death and the afterlife to ancient peoples. Also, "Kur" as a title further implies the possibility of a succession of Kurs, reincarnation-style. So to the ancient mind, it'd be easy to view Kur as a deity of the underworld and assume his subjects, the cryptids, came from there - and the fact that these underworld creatures obeyed him would obviously make him the king of the underworld in their eyes. Kur's supposed power over death, or at least his known ability to reincarnate, also explains why he was locked within the Kur stone: his enemies expected that otherwise, he would have just been reborn. Of course, this also further implies that it was Kur's enemies who killed him, and it was they, not his subjects, who hid the Kur stone and set up the deadly RedHerring tomb map. Which further explains why Kur's "tomb" is a Meso-American temple and not an ancient Sumerian burial in the middle east.

** If true, this theory becomes FridgeBrilliance when you consider where the show's writers got the name Kur. Kur is alternatively used in Sumerian writings to describe: 1). An anthropomorphized concept of the Underworld, 2). the actual word for the underworld itself, and 3). the title for the king of that underworld (Sumerians often referred to political leaders by the lands they ruled). This underworld association actually works well with the show's mythology, if you know how Sumerians seemed to have interpreted the underworld. Going by the funerary artifacts they left behind, the Sumerian underworld appears to have been conceived as a topsy-turvery place where monsters dwelled, feasting was done, and animals were as intelligent, developed, and skillful as people. This could, in the show's context, be interpreted as different depictions of Kur's subjects, the cryptids. And Argost's insistence that Kur is an ancient being that "existed before time began" could mean that Kur ''did'' perpetuate himself by reincarnating as different beings, which would definitely associate him with death and the afterlife to ancient peoples. Also, "Kur" as a title further implies the possibility of a succession of Kurs, reincarnation-style. So to the ancient mind, it'd be easy to view Kur as a deity of the underworld and assume his subjects, the cryptids, came from there - and the fact that these underworld creatures obeyed him would obviously make him the king of the underworld in their eyes. Kur's supposed power over death, or at least his known ability to reincarnate, also explains why he was locked within the Kur stone: his enemies expected that otherwise, he would have just been reborn. Of course, this also further implies that it was Kur's enemies who killed him, and it was they, not his subjects, who hid the Kur stone and set up the deadly RedHerring tomb map. Which further explains why Kur's "tomb" is a Meso-American temple and not an ancient Sumerian burial in the middle east.

** If true, this theory becomes FridgeBrilliance when you consider where the show's writers got the name Kur. Kur is alternatively used in Sumerian writings to describe: 1). An anthropomorphized concept of the Underworld, 2). the actual word for the underworld itself, and 3). the title for the king of that underworld (Sumerians often referred to political leaders by the lands they ruled). This underworld association actually works well with the show's mythology, if you know how Sumerians seemed to have interpreted the underworld. Going by the funerary artifacts they left behind, the Sumerian underworld appears to have been conceived as a topsy-turvery place where monsters dwelled, feasting was done, and animals were as intelligent, developed, and skillful as people. This could, in the show's context, be interpreted as different depictions of Kur's subjects, the cryptids. And Argost's insistence that Kur is an ancient being that "existed before time began" could mean that Kur ''did'' perpetuate himself by reincarnating as different beings, which would definitely associate him with death and the afterlife to ancient peoples. Also, "Kur" as a title further implies the possibility of a succession of Kurs, reincarnation-style. So to the ancient mind, it'd be easy to view Kur as a deity of the underworld and assume his subjects, the cryptids, came from there - and the fact that these underworld creatures obeyed him would obviously make him the king of the underworld in their eyes. Kur's supposed power over death, or at least his known ability to reincarnate, also explains why he was locked within the Kur stone: his enemies expected that otherwise, he would have just been reborn. Of course, this also further implies that it was Kur's enemies who killed him, and it was they, not his subjects, hid the Kur stone and set up the deadly RedHerring tomb map. Which further explains why Kur's "tomb" is a Meso-American temple and not an ancient Sumerian burial in the middle east.

(For a GeniusBonus connection: one of the ways the Nazis tried to claim they were the Master Race is by proving that "Aryans" came from the super-advanced mythical cities of Atlantis or Shangri-La. So there's actually already a real-life connection between Shangri-La and race supremecy).

** Kur's powers enable him to control cryptids, physically and possibly mentally. The very fact that the Lemurians could stand against Kur in the first place means they ''must'' have had agency and autonomy despite this power, meaning either that isn't as powerful as the characters tout or that he didn't abuse this ability to force his subjects to bend to his will.

Given that Kur can reincarnate and seems to have preferred such a diverse group of subjects, it's possible there wasn't ''one'' Kur, but many. Kur had previously reincarnated as many of the sentient species seen throughout the show.

** The Lemurians, as mentioned above, obviously didn't like him, but we don't know anything about ''them'' either. It's quite possible they were combative enemies with Sumer when Kur was in power or even were the ones who had Kur killed. For all we know, they could have been giving themselves good publicity and defaming their enemy in one go. After all, in history the only thing the future knows about you is usually whatever label sticks longest, and if you've got an enemy who outlives you, chances are they're going to do their best to make sure that label's a nasty one. (Example: Napoleon was actually slightly taller than average for a man in his times, but the British liked drawing him short in political cartoons because it was harder to take him seriously that way. Guess what stuck?) In fact, later generations of Lemurians could have honestly believed these things their elder generations told them, and became genuinely terrified of Kur returning (Ditto for the Nagas, who could have heard these tales as well and ''liked'' what they heard, particularly sense they seem to have had at least some contact with the Lemurians given the room decor in "The Kur Guardian"). If that's the case, their belief that Kur was evil and fear of him resurrecting makes perfect sense. He's their ultimate political enemy that they turned into [[TheDreaded the Bogeyman]], and they may well have been the ones to assassinate him the first time around.
My point is, Kur appears to have ruled over Cryptids as a warlord king, just like every other king in his time. And looking back, a lot of them were cruel, but rarely were they truly evil. The standard of justice was "eye for an eye"--kings who overdid this looked cruel, but kings who didn't ascribe to this kind of justice looked weak. So Kur could have truly been evil, but he also could have just been morally normal king for his time, because who Kur actually was [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot is never explored in the show]]. The fact that characters who claim to be the best in the fields of science and history just accept the ruling that Kur was 'evil' despite never actually presenting anything about him or what he actually did in his life ''and'' despite insisting they need to be "scientific" and "unbiased" about their investigations... makes them all look genuinely terrible at their jobs.

[[WMG: To formalize the above suggestion: The Lemurians weren't opposing evil; they were bigoted traitors to their king, and fear retribution.]]
If the evidence above suggests that Kur wasn't really all that bad, why are people so scared of him, and why did the Lemurians form the Kur Guardians against him? We do know that Lemurians are Cryptids, ones brilliant enough to create their own seperate society and self-important enought to construct secret rooms only their own kind could get into throughout the ancient world. Being Cryptids--beings under the domain of Kur's rule--they were almost certainly once subjected to his laws as well. Yet given the information learned from "The Kur Guardian," we know that the Lemurians worked against Kur, and now actively fear him. The obvious conclusion is that Lemurians were in rebellion against their king--and may have been the ones to kill him, back in the day. The Lemurians appear to have lived in isolation in a single-race utopian city, and it's clear by the show that they hoarded key information and information access from other species. Their isolated, cloistered way of life, hiding amongst only their own kind away from humans and other Cryptids, was in direct contrast with Kur's diverse home of Sumer, where it's apparent that both humans and a wide variety of Cryptids dwelled in close quarters. If the Lemurians killed their own king, or orchestrated his death via Gilgamesh (if Gilgamesh really was involved, and not just used because the flute dated from that time period and he's famous), of course they would be so afraid: if nothing is done to actively prevent it, Kur will almost inevitably return, and failed insurrectionists are not often treated well, especially ones that have managed to do so much damage.

[[WMG:The Monday Family are [[WesternAnimation/GeneratorRex EVOs]], and their animatter world is in fact the Generator Rex world]]