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** Except how can they benefit from one world's destruction and a new one's creation, if all outsiders' memories are wiped each time it happens? Even if they ''think'' this would work, all it would take to scuttle this idea would be for Loki or Tiamat (or Rat, assuming he's not still too angry to speak to the guy) to tell the Dark One that the IFCC won't even remember him during the interim.
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I could have sworn I saw the author directly state they fell somewhere, but dammed if I can find the source.


In the prequel comics: [[spoiler: a lot of paladins are depicted as murderous zealots, more than happy to engage in the ruthless slaughter of goblinoid civilians. Basically the stereotype of murderhobos except given divine mandate. Rather than disciplining their paladins, they just let them commit various forms of genocide. Not a very flattering depiction of a class that's supposed to be AlwaysLawfulGood.]]

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In the prequel comics: [[spoiler: a lot of paladins are depicted as murderous zealots, more than happy to engage in the ruthless slaughter of goblinoid civilians. Basically the stereotype of murderhobos except given divine mandate. Rather than disciplining their paladins, they just let them commit various forms of genocide. Not a very flattering depiction of a class that's supposed to be AlwaysLawfulGood.]]]]
* It's entirely possible some of them Fell, but we're limited to Redcloak's limited perspective. It would be hidden by them all being in grey-scale for the book already.
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It's possible that he knows Hel's plans and will vote "no" regardless of what the Elders vote (or will disregard their votes as being tainted if they are domininated). He could have been convinced to do this by Odin, Thor, or Loki in order to give the OotS time to kill The High Priest of Hel so that Thor can tell Durkon the plan for finally defeating the Snarl.

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It's possible that he knows Hel's plans and will vote "no" regardless of what the Elders vote (or will disregard their votes as being tainted if they are domininated). He could have been convinced to do this by Odin, Thor, or Loki in order to give the OotS [=OotS=] time to kill The High Priest of Hel so that Thor can tell Durkon the plan for finally defeating the Snarl.
* Everyone seems to be operating off the assumption Dvalin is compelled to follow the elders' decisions whatever they may be, and it's possible he's always asked them their opinions and gone with the majority out of respect, but as the First ''King'' of the Dwarves he can likely overrule them if he chooses to. After all, he always ''consults'' the clan elders, but nobody has yet said he has to ''obey'' them. And since the entire prophecy involving Durkon up to and including everything following Durkon's return was a huge BatmanGambit by Odin, this makes Dvalin's stalling all the more likely and Odin the probable mastermind.




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** Half-Jossed. Purple quiddity is the Dark One's color.
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* And since he and Giggles are rivals (similar to Thor and Loki), Giggle's followers (which is a whole island of Orcs) technically power him as well.
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* When introduced, Banjo had ''orange'' stars framing them, while when Giggles was introduced, they had ''purple'' stars framing them. So they provide orange and purple quiddity respectively, potentially forming a ''five-colour'' seal.

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* When introduced, Banjo had ''orange'' stars framing them, while when Giggles was introduced, they had ''purple'' stars framing them. So they provide orange and purple quiddity respectively, potentially forming a ''five-colour'' seal.seal.

[[WMG: The Twelve Gods are a parody/commentary of overly-complicit Dungeon Masters.]]
In the prequel comics: [[spoiler: a lot of paladins are depicted as murderous zealots, more than happy to engage in the ruthless slaughter of goblinoid civilians. Basically the stereotype of murderhobos except given divine mandate. Rather than disciplining their paladins, they just let them commit various forms of genocide. Not a very flattering depiction of a class that's supposed to be AlwaysLawfulGood.]]
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[[WMG: The IFCC want the Gates to be destroyed]]
* So, their plan is more or less this: destroy all Gates, forcing gods to remake the world again, and do it without leaving their own traces, so that gods couldn't suspect and pwn them as punishment. Three pantheons can wait for Snarl to calm itself, but The Dark One cannot. So they show themselves to him and offer him something (most likely souls) to sustain himself during interim period, at least temporarily making him dependent on them. This places them in control of purple quiddity, and with this they can make demands to pantheons, for whatever their next stage is.
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The issue in the comics in the 1140 range is that the Dark One is the only god in eons not to have a red, blue, or yellow quiddity, and the only other one ever not to have green. But what sort of quiddity might Banjo or Giggles provide?

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The issue in the comics in the 1140 range is that the Dark One is the only god in eons not to have a red, blue, or yellow quiddity, and the only other one ever not to have green. But what sort of quiddity might Banjo or Giggles provide?provide?
* When introduced, Banjo had ''orange'' stars framing them, while when Giggles was introduced, they had ''purple'' stars framing them. So they provide orange and purple quiddity respectively, potentially forming a ''five-colour'' seal.
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[[WMG: Banjo (or Giggles) will as with a deity with a usable quiddity.]]

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[[WMG: Banjo (or Giggles) will arise as with a deity with a usable quiddity.]]
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[[WMG: Banjo (or Giggles) will arise with a deity with a usable quiddity.]]

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[[WMG: Banjo (or Giggles) will arise as with a deity with a usable quiddity.]]
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Thor and Loki are both part of the faction in question, which is why they're on better terms than would be expected given their history and opposing alignments.

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Thor and Loki are both part of the faction in question, which is why they're on better terms than would be expected given their history and opposing alignments.alignments.

[[WMG: Banjo (or Giggles) will arise with a deity with a usable quiddity.]]
The issue in the comics in the 1140 range is that the Dark One is the only god in eons not to have a red, blue, or yellow quiddity, and the only other one ever not to have green. But what sort of quiddity might Banjo or Giggles provide?
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** Jossed. The Snarl is just the personification of strife amongst the pantheons.
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It's possible that he knows Hel's plans and will vote "no" regardless of what the Elders vote (or will disregard their votes as being tainted if they are domininated). He could have been convinced to do this by Odin, Thor, or Loki in order to give the OotS time to kill The High Priest of Hel so that Thor can tell Durkon the plan for finally defeating the Snarl.

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It's possible that he knows Hel's plans and will vote "no" regardless of what the Elders vote (or will disregard their votes as being tainted if they are domininated). He could have been convinced to do this by Odin, Thor, or Loki in order to give the OotS time to kill The High Priest of Hel so that Thor can tell Durkon the plan for finally defeating the Snarl.Snarl.

[[WMG:A faction among the gods deliberately engineered the Dark One's birth and ascension to godhood.]]
They realized that the only way to defeat the Snarl permanently would be to have a god whose divine aura is on a different wavelength than all the existing pantheons, since [[AllYourColorsCombined a 4-color creation like the Snarl will always be stronger than any 3-color creation]]. So they arranged for the birth of the most powerful possible goblin, and did everything they could to manipulate his life so that he'd become a god while being hostile to the existing pantheons. This way he'd become his own pantheon of one instead of (as the elven and dwarven gods had in previous cycles) simply becoming attached to one of the existing three pantheons.

Thor and Loki are both part of the faction in question, which is why they're on better terms than would be expected given their history and opposing alignments.
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It's borne from attempts to create a perfect world, and the frustrations of keeping continuity forms into an actual ContinuitySnarl.

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It's borne from attempts to create a perfect world, and the frustrations of keeping continuity forms into an actual ContinuitySnarl.ContinuitySnarl.

[[WMG:Dvalin is buying time.]]
It's possible that he knows Hel's plans and will vote "no" regardless of what the Elders vote (or will disregard their votes as being tainted if they are domininated). He could have been convinced to do this by Odin, Thor, or Loki in order to give the OotS time to kill The High Priest of Hel so that Thor can tell Durkon the plan for finally defeating the Snarl.
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Obviously they would vary in what they get out of aiding (or manipulating) TDO. Some could merely wish to settle grudges with some other god and so set TDO's faction up to dispose of or weaken the enemy god. Others could be unsatisfied with the state of the world, especially if they're a patron of a fodder species, and so work to ensure either the Dark One succeeds or that he gets far enough to weaponize the Snarl then jack it from him. Even Tiamat could be plotting to do a plan similar to TDO's faction but with reptilian species (dragons, kobolds) as the chosen ones instead of goblins. Her oracle not helping Xykon could be just keeping up appearences (don't let her enemies know she's aiding an army trying to awaken the Snarl) or trying to cripple the competition.

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Obviously they would vary in what they get out of aiding (or manipulating) TDO. Some could merely wish to settle grudges with some other god and so set TDO's faction up to dispose of or weaken the enemy god. Others could be unsatisfied with the state of the world, especially if they're a patron of a fodder species, and so work to ensure either the Dark One succeeds or that he gets far enough to weaponize the Snarl then jack it from him. Even Tiamat could be plotting to do a plan similar to TDO's faction but with reptilian species (dragons, kobolds) as the chosen ones instead of goblins. Her oracle not helping Xykon could be just keeping up appearences (don't let her enemies know she's aiding an army trying to awaken the Snarl) or trying to cripple the competition.competition.

[[WMG: The Snarl is a Malevolent Personification of the ContinuitySnarl.]]

It's borne from attempts to create a perfect world, and the frustrations of keeping continuity forms into an actual ContinuitySnarl.
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Obviously they would vary in what they get out of aiding (or manipulating) TDO. Some could merely wish to settle grudges with some other god and so set TDO's faction up to dispose of or weaken the enemy god. Others could be unsatisfied with the state of the world, especially if they're a patron of a fodder species, and so work to ensure either the Dark One succeeds or that he gets far enough to weaponize the Snarl then jack it from him. Even Tiamat could be plotting to do a plan similar to TDO's faction but with reptilian species (dragons, kobolds) as the chosen ones instead of goblins. Her oracle not helping Xykon could be done to keeeping up appearences (don't let her enemies know she's aiding an army trying to awaken the Snarl) or trying to cripple the competition.

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Obviously they would vary in what they get out of aiding (or manipulating) TDO. Some could merely wish to settle grudges with some other god and so set TDO's faction up to dispose of or weaken the enemy god. Others could be unsatisfied with the state of the world, especially if they're a patron of a fodder species, and so work to ensure either the Dark One succeeds or that he gets far enough to weaponize the Snarl then jack it from him. Even Tiamat could be plotting to do a plan similar to TDO's faction but with reptilian species (dragons, kobolds) as the chosen ones instead of goblins. Her oracle not helping Xykon could be done to keeeping just keeping up appearences (don't let her enemies know she's aiding an army trying to awaken the Snarl) or trying to cripple the competition.
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It's not so much "evil" as "really bored". They both have the power to unmake reality, and can cause major disruptions in space-time just by being there. This could actually be the origin of Haruhi and her powers, which show up in [[GrandUnifyingGuesses many other media]]: the personified frustration and ennui of an entire world. Clearly, by the end of the comic's Main/MythArc, The Snarl will be released, unmake the webcomic reality, and remake one more similar to our modern Earth, with plenty of anime tropes thrown in; the only effect of our heroes will be to wipe her memories of this, and make her into a human girl.

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It's not so much "evil" as "really bored". They both have the power to unmake reality, and can cause major disruptions in space-time just by being there. This could actually be the origin of Haruhi and her powers, which show up in [[GrandUnifyingGuesses [[WMG/GrandUnifyingGuesses many other media]]: the personified frustration and ennui of an entire world. Clearly, by the end of the comic's Main/MythArc, MythArc, The Snarl will be released, unmake the webcomic reality, and remake one more similar to our modern Earth, with plenty of anime tropes thrown in; the only effect of our heroes will be to wipe her memories of this, and make her into a human girl.
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Obviously they would vary in what they get out of aiding (or manipulating) TDO. Some could merely wish to settle grudges with some other god and so set TDO's faction up to dispose of or weaken the enemy god. Others could be unsatisfied with the state of the world, especially if they're a patron of a fodder species, and so work to ensure either the Dark One succeeds or that he gets far enough to weaponize the Snarl then jack it from him. Even Tiamat could be plotting to do a plan similar to TDO's faction but with reptilians species as the chosen ones instead of goblins. Her oracle not helping Xykon could be done to keeeping up appearences (don't let her enemies know she's aiding an army trying to awaken the Snarl) or trying to cripple the competition.

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Obviously they would vary in what they get out of aiding (or manipulating) TDO. Some could merely wish to settle grudges with some other god and so set TDO's faction up to dispose of or weaken the enemy god. Others could be unsatisfied with the state of the world, especially if they're a patron of a fodder species, and so work to ensure either the Dark One succeeds or that he gets far enough to weaponize the Snarl then jack it from him. Even Tiamat could be plotting to do a plan similar to TDO's faction but with reptilians reptilian species (dragons, kobolds) as the chosen ones instead of goblins. Her oracle not helping Xykon could be done to keeeping up appearences (don't let her enemies know she's aiding an army trying to awaken the Snarl) or trying to cripple the competition.
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[[WMG: There are other Evil (or at least non-Good) and/or non-human friendly Gods who are either actively aiding the Dark One or using his faction for their plans]]]]
The Dark One learned about the Snarl from the Evil Gods. It's odd that they would have informed an outsider (and a Goblin one at that) about such a major secret unless it suited their plans. You should remember that the Not Good Gods include those who are the deities of non-Goblin (or similar) species that are also fodder for adventurers like Kobolds (see Tiamat) and those who could profit from the Dark One's plot IF they can see to it they don't have to worrry about being in serious danger.

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[[WMG: There are other Evil (or at least non-Good) and/or non-human friendly Gods who are either actively aiding the Dark One or using his faction for their plans]]]]
plans]]
The Dark One learned about the Snarl from the Evil Gods. It's odd that they would have informed an outsider (and a Goblin goblin one at that) about such a major secret unless it suited their plans. You should remember that the Not Good Gods include those who are the deities of non-Goblin non-goblin (or similar) species that are also fodder for adventurers like Kobolds kobolds (see Tiamat) and those who could profit from the Dark One's plot IF they can see to it they don't have to worrry about being in serious danger.
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[[WMG: There Are other Evil (or at least non-Good), and/or non-human friendly Gods who are either actively aiding the Dark One or using his faction for their plans]]]]

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[[WMG: There Are are other Evil (or at least non-Good), non-Good) and/or non-human friendly Gods who are either actively aiding the Dark One or using his faction for their plans]]]]
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It's already established that Redcloak is slipping farther into the SunkCostFallacy the longer he goes on working with Xykon, eventually The Dark One will decide that with Gobbtopia recognized as a sovereign nation he doesn't need to risk his own existance by releasing The Snarl on the godly realms and that Redcloak is more of a risk to that than anything. But Redcloak is so determined to finish "The Plan" that he'll keep going regardless of his deity's commands.

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It's already established that Redcloak is slipping farther into the SunkCostFallacy the longer he goes on working with Xykon, eventually The Dark One will decide that with Gobbtopia recognized as a sovereign nation he doesn't need to risk his own existance by releasing The Snarl on the godly realms and that Redcloak is more of a risk to that than anything. But Redcloak is so determined to finish "The Plan" that he'll keep going regardless of his deity's commands.commands.

[[WMG: There Are other Evil (or at least non-Good), and/or non-human friendly Gods who are either actively aiding the Dark One or using his faction for their plans]]]]
The Dark One learned about the Snarl from the Evil Gods. It's odd that they would have informed an outsider (and a Goblin one at that) about such a major secret unless it suited their plans. You should remember that the Not Good Gods include those who are the deities of non-Goblin (or similar) species that are also fodder for adventurers like Kobolds (see Tiamat) and those who could profit from the Dark One's plot IF they can see to it they don't have to worrry about being in serious danger.

Obviously they would vary in what they get out of aiding (or manipulating) TDO. Some could merely wish to settle grudges with some other god and so set TDO's faction up to dispose of or weaken the enemy god. Others could be unsatisfied with the state of the world, especially if they're a patron of a fodder species, and so work to ensure either the Dark One succeeds or that he gets far enough to weaponize the Snarl then jack it from him. Even Tiamat could be plotting to do a plan similar to TDO's faction but with reptilians species as the chosen ones instead of goblins. Her oracle not helping Xykon could be done to keeeping up appearences (don't let her enemies know she's aiding an army trying to awaken the Snarl) or trying to cripple the competition.
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** I dunno, even if it's not for arcane power, it'd be totally in character for, say, Belkar to ask for supernatural abilities, or Haley to at least consider a DealWithTheDevil in exchange for her father's freedom. Besides, while V might be one of the few who'd be willing to make a deal, the elf is also the most likely to kill the dragon, or at least, to play a large role in the dragon's demise. While everyone else is using material weapons (1d4 daggers and arrows (plus about 3d6 in sneak attack), a 1d10 hammer, a 2d6 greatsword and Elan wasn't even fighting directly), V was using ''Disintegrate'' at the earliest available opportunity (bare minimum 24d6 points of damage), which made them the most likely to actually kill the dragon, or at least, the biggest contributor in terms of raw damage, and thus the primary target for the dragon's mother. Assuming, of course, the original plan wasn't just for the dragon to kill them, which would eliminate competition for the Linear Guild and thus the IFCC. Lee, Cedrik and Nero probably have a few ranks in XanatosSpeedChess between them.
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It's (sort of) a happy ending for Elan, it fulfills the prophecy about Belkar (since I don't think gods age or breathe), and it's less of a DownerEnding than everyone dying.

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It's (sort of) a happy ending for Elan, it fulfills the prophecy about Belkar (since I don't think gods age or breathe), and it's less of a DownerEnding than everyone dying.dying.

[[WMG: The Dark One will abandon "The Plan" once he realizes that Gobbtopia's existance has already achieved his goal, but Redcloak will keep going due to his SunkCostFallacy]]
It's already established that Redcloak is slipping farther into the SunkCostFallacy the longer he goes on working with Xykon, eventually The Dark One will decide that with Gobbtopia recognized as a sovereign nation he doesn't need to risk his own existance by releasing The Snarl on the godly realms and that Redcloak is more of a risk to that than anything. But Redcloak is so determined to finish "The Plan" that he'll keep going regardless of his deity's commands.
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**[[ChekhovsGunman Chekhov's Puppet]].
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When Blackwing saw the world within the Snarl's realm, he was really staring at its very core. The gods' conflicting plotlines formed that world, but it's incomplete because it doesn't make any sense. The Snarl doesn't kill, it absorbs, and it won't stop until that absorbed information is enough for it to make sense.

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When Blackwing saw the world within the Snarl's realm, he was really staring at its very core. The gods' conflicting plotlines formed that world, but it's incomplete because it doesn't make any sense. The Snarl doesn't kill, it absorbs, and it won't stop until that absorbed information is enough for it to make sense.sense.

[[WMG:If the Order fails to save the world, they will be spared and deified as the new fourth pantheon as a consolation prize.]]
It's (sort of) a happy ending for Elan, it fulfills the prophecy about Belkar (since I don't think gods age or breathe), and it's less of a DownerEnding than everyone dying.
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[[WMG: Banjo will [[spoiler:cast the deciding vote and save the world]]]]
* We know he actually counts as a deity; he managed to weakly smite Roy early on, and Odin was considering accepting him to the pantheon.
* If he requests membership again, Odin probably would allow him; they are desperate to get the vote they need.
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[[WMG:The Dark One is going to move forward Hel's plan]]
Alternate to the above: Right-Eye once called The Dark One a "Petty, spiteful god". Perhaps he ''wants'' the world to be destroyed, because he commands the worship of most of the goblinoid population. Goblinoids are a fast-breeding species, so they probably have a sizable population, even with all the adventurer purges. As such, he would benefit greatly from the souls of the goblinoids, possibly making him even more powerful than Hel.
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\n* So Belkar really IS a God of war, albeit a sexy and shoeless one.

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When Blackwing saw the world within the Snarl's realm, he was really staring at its very core. The gods' conflicting plotlines formed that world, but it's incomplete because it doesn't make any sense. The Snarl doesn't kill, it absorbs, and it won't stop until it makes sense.

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When Blackwing saw the world within the Snarl's realm, he was really staring at its very core. The gods' conflicting plotlines formed that world, but it's incomplete because it doesn't make any sense. The Snarl doesn't kill, it absorbs, and it won't stop until that absorbed information is enough for it makes to make sense.
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When Blackwing saw the world within the Snarl's realm, he was really staring at its very core. The gods' conflicting plotlines formed that world, but it's incomplete because it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't kill, it absorbs, and it won't stop until it makes sense.

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When Blackwing saw the world within the Snarl's realm, he was really staring at its very core. The gods' conflicting plotlines formed that world, but it's incomplete because it doesn't make any sense. It The Snarl doesn't kill, it absorbs, and it won't stop until it makes sense.
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The Dark One doesn't want to get the goblins all killed along with the rest of the world, so he may very well choose to come in. However, he is a clever fellow and he might threaten to withhold his vote unless the rest of the gods allow equality for goblinoid species.

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The Dark One doesn't want to get the goblins all killed along with the rest of the world, so he may very well choose to come in. However, he is a clever fellow and he might threaten to withhold his vote unless the rest of the gods allow equality for goblinoid species.species.

[[WMG:The Snarl is a GeniusLoci]]
When Blackwing saw the world within the Snarl's realm, he was really staring at its very core. The gods' conflicting plotlines formed that world, but it's incomplete because it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't kill, it absorbs, and it won't stop until it makes sense.

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