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Aside from that, my proof of this theory is that while it's stressed that Elves have a pretty solid resistance to evil, it was stressed in Lord of The Rings that they are not above it. Plus, how would elves that outright denied paradise have any idea of what exactly evil is?

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Aside from that, my My proof of this theory is that while it's stressed that Elves have a pretty solid resistance to evil, it was stressed shown in the Silmarillion and implied in Lord of The Rings that they are not above it. Plus, Besides how would elves that outright denied paradise have any idea of what exactly evil is?is? It would not have been difficult for Sauron to turn them to his side with some half truths.


Aside from the orcs....[[MultipleChoicePast or not.]] Anyway there are Elves known as the Avari that refused to go to Valinor/Aman the first time around and thus moved extremely far from the sea, or at least Bereliand, some going to the far south and the far east. Guess where everyone's favorite master of evil makes his domain. They were called the Elves of Darkness or Dark Elves because they never saw the light of the two trees.

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Aside from the orcs....[[MultipleChoicePast or not.]] Anyway there are Elves known as the Avari that refused to go to Valinor/Aman the first time around and thus moved extremely far from the sea, or at least Bereliand, Beleriand, some going to the far south and the far east. Guess where everyone's favorite master of evil makes his domain. They were called the Elves of Darkness or Dark Elves because they never saw the light of the two trees.



* I don't know, ringing back your omnicidal boss isn't a good way to bring about Order.

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* I don't know, ringing bringing back your omnicidal boss isn't a good way to bring about Order.
global order.

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[[WMG: LotR is propaganda. Sauron won the war.]]
Sauron wanted order. After the war, he got rid of all the other races, except the humans, which explains why they all disappeared or went into hiding. He then wrote the propaganda we know as LOTR, in which the "good guys" won, so people in the future would accept history as written and not try to fight it. He himself, having achieved what he saw as an orderly future, went dormant or into hiding, letting the rest of history play out.
Sure, history got violent plenty of times since then, but in his eyes that is fine, since it happens only between the humans, without elves, orcs or divine intervention. Without any "supernatural" influence left, everything that happened since then, follows strict rules and consequences are simply chains of comprehensible reactions, instead of literally interventions by gods or immortals.
This way, he achieved a sense of order. He set up the world like he wanted to, no higher power meddles with "his" world anymore and no one questions it, because everyone thinks the good guys won.


Creatures like orcs and elves came about as the military's attempts at creating bio-weapons to aid in battle. Orcs were their first attempt, but failed miserably due to them being super-strong, but incredibly dumb and easy to kill. Elves came next, designed to just be [[OurElvesAreBetter better than humans at everything]]. This worked well at first, but unlike orcs, the elves had minds of their own, and didn't like being treated like property. This lead to a rebellion war which the elves naturally won.

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Creatures like orcs and elves came about as the military's attempts at creating bio-weapons to aid in battle. Orcs were their first attempt, but failed miserably due to them being super-strong, but incredibly dumb and easy to kill. Elves came next, designed to just be [[OurElvesAreBetter [[SuperiorSpecies better than humans at everything]]. This worked well at first, but unlike orcs, the elves had minds of their own, and didn't like being treated like property. This lead to a rebellion war which the elves naturally won.


[[WMG:That golden ink bottle Bilbo gave Milo was made by Dwarves in either Erebor or the Ered Mithrim.]]


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* The text is rather explicite that they're shock and awe weapons. They glow blue/silver with a light like to Telperion's to burn the eyes and skin of orcs, goblins, trolls, and other serventsand Morgtoh and Sauron. They also alert their users to the presence of their enemies and light the battlefield so their wielders can see even if Morgoth or Sauron has darkned the sky itself. Elvish swords are only ever about killing good.

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* The text is rather explicite that they're shock and awe weapons. They glow blue/silver with a light like to Telperion's to burn the eyes and skin of orcs, goblins, trolls, and other serventsand servents of Morgtoh and Sauron. They also alert their users to the presence of their enemies and light the battlefield so their wielders can see even if Morgoth or Sauron has darkned the sky itself. Elvish swords are only ever about killing good.



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* The text is rather explicite that they're shock and awe weapons. They glow blue/silver with a light like to Telperion's to burn the eyes and skin of orcs, goblins, trolls, and other serventsand Morgtoh and Sauron. They also alert their users to the presence of their enemies and light the battlefield so their wielders can see even if Morgoth or Sauron has darkned the sky itself. Elvish swords are only ever about killing good.

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[[WMG: The troll that nearly killed Aragorn is possessed by Sauron, or even an avatar of Sauron himself]]
Even though Jackson's original idea of Sauron duelling Aragorn is ultimately cut, the mere fact that the troll appeared hardwired into killing Aragorn and then fleeing blindly once the Ring is destroyed seems to be a subtle compromise.

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[[WMG: Gollum's death wasn't accidental on his part, rather it was a HeroicSacrifice]]
For a story that heavily themes itself around corruption and temptation, it's missing a rather noticeable piece of it; redemption. It makes perfect thematic sense for the story to end with a character finally resisting evil and deciding to destroy the one ring and himself. Gollum "accidentally" falling into the fires is a complete cop-out compared to him actively resisting the ring enough to destroy it and himself, even if only for an instant. Gandalf's quote about Gollum having some part to play, be it good or evil, implies direct agency on Gollum's part; as he was responsible for his evil acts, so too was he responsible for his one good one.

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[[WMG:"Gollum" is what happens to Hobbits that turn evil]]
It is usually assumed that the Gollum we get to know in the books and movies (and whatnot) became the way he is now because he was corrupted by the One Ring. Living under its influence for hundreds of years turned him into a wretched creature who had lost its mind... but what if it wasn't the Ring's influence that made this happen (or at least not directly)?

The only two characters we see who possess the Ring for several years are Bilbo and Gollum (or Sméagol), who are both Hobbits. Bilbo actually shows signs of becoming like Gollum himself twice in ''The Fellowship of the Ring'': In the very first chapter, when Gandalf demands that Bilbo gives up the Ring, he refers to it as "his precious". Later, in Rivendell, when Bilbo and Frodo meets again, Bilbo asks Frodo to show him the Ring and tries to take it from him, upon which he appears to Frodo as "a little wrinkled creature with a hungry face and bony groping hands", possibly implying that, for a short time, Bilbo resembled Gollum; note that this is before Frodo meets Gollum for the first time.

While it is absolutely possible that this "transformation" is the power of the Ring corrupting Bilbo the way it might have done with Sméagol (although Bilbo did not actually possess the Ring in Rivendell), here is another theory: While Hobbits in general are rather good-natured, if one of their own ''were'' to turn evil, their body and mind would change the way Gollum's did. Hobbits are notoriously unambitious, so even the worst of them are at most unpleasant, instead of outright evil. It took an immense evil influence, as the Ring was one, to turn Sméagol, and almost Bilbo, into the wicked, shady counterparts of the Hobbits.

Keeping that in mind, it would make sense that the Hobbits live such a simple, carefree and unambitious life. Keep yourself content with the simple pleasures, and don't get any silly ideas about wanting fame and fortune, as these are just a possible pathway towards a life of evil, which will turn you into a monster. In Bilbo's day and age, these stories are mostly forgotten, or regarded as cautionary fairy tales, instead of something that might have been a common occurence many centuries ago.


[[WMG: Sauron is SonicTheHedgehog]]

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* There's a passage early in the ''The Return of the King'' that could support this theory for both Faramir and Denethor. After Denethor finishes questioning Pippin, Gandalf tells Pippin that Denethor was able to read a lot between his words because "by some chance the blood of Westernesse runs nearly true in him; as it does in his other son, Faramir," and that "[h]e can perceive, if he bends his will thither, much of what is passing in the minds of men, even of those that dwell far off." Granted, the latter part may be due to his use of the palantir, but he wasn't doing that while talking to Pippin in person.


* In TheHobbit, Eagles talk about being shot down by farmers and shepherds for stealing sheep. They wouldnt't have gotten very far in Mordor - the only reason why they did so much in Return of the King was because they had Gondor's army on the ground, and the ring had just been destroyed as well.

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* In TheHobbit, Literature/TheHobbit, Eagles talk about being shot down by farmers and shepherds for stealing sheep. They wouldnt't have gotten very far in Mordor - the only reason why they did so much in Return of the King was because they had Gondor's army on the ground, and the ring had just been destroyed as well.



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* Lindo. He's the first and the eldest. And he tells stories that go back to the beginning of creation. And Vairë is Goldberry.

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