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[[WMG:Hyrule Historia's account of the split is inaccurate. By @/GreenGriffin5]]
While in my own words, this is a theory that I found online a few years ago, and seems to have been removed since, as I can't find a trace of it anywhere, so I'll disclaim all credit now, for what it's worth.
If we read [=HH=]'s timeline, we see a split, which as we know involves two timelines left in the wake of the Hero of Time messing with spacetime in [=OoT=]. This works causally, as he simply created a parallel universe which he saved, and then returned to the original universe to prevent the events from transpiring in the first place. The problem here lies in the Downfall Timeline. We are expected to believe that the Ocarina somehow also created a timeline in which Link died? It isn't that Link simply died during his quest, as we'd then have dozens if not hundreds of Downfall Timelines splitting off from each and every game.
There are explanations, of course. I've heard it said that Ganon obtained the Triforce at some point in the Child Timeline and wished that Link would fall to Ganondorf generations prior. However, given that doing so would essentially Thanos-snap the existing Ganon, I can't see him bothering to have a different Ganon win when the current timeline already ends in Ganon obtaining the Triforce. I've also heard the opposite, that the Downfall Timeline was the original one, and after [=AoL=], Link wished on the Triforce to have the Hero of Time succeed, creating the other two timelines.
This is acceptable if you don't dig too deep, and I suspect many came to the same conclusion. However, there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting a different interpretation altogether. Reading the manual for [=ALttP=] produces this passage:
"One day, quite by accident, a gate to the Golden Land of the Triforce was opened by a gang of thieves skilled in the black arts."
It goes on to describe Ganondorf Dragmire, the leader, "vanquishing his own followers" in "a long-running battle" for the Triforce. This seems a far cry from the events of [=OoT=], where Ganondorf was in a position to gain an audience with Zelda's father, hardly a common thief. He also stalked a Kokiri for a while, then backstabbed him in a temple. In fact, the manual even states that he gained the complete Triforce that day, meaning Link never even touched and split the Triforce, let alone made it to their volleyball match. In fact, the events in the manual show quite realistically what would have most likely happened had the Hero of Time not been there at all.
In the backstory of [=TP=], we know that the Hero of Time returned from his adventures in Termina and then brought Ganondorf to justice, banishing him to the Twilight realm and out of the purview of this theory. But what would have happened had the Hero not returned from Termina? It's possible, while difficult, to complete Majora's Mask in as few as six days, which requires Link to play the Song of Time exactly once. However, in [=OoT=] we see that travelling in time causes timelines to split, which means that every time the First Day Dawns, he leaves behind a timeline in which the Moon falls on Termina, the Hero of Time never returns to Hyrule, and Ganondorf Dragmire is never brought to justice and obtains the Triforce. Every time the First Day Dawns, he leaves behind a Downfall Timeline.
While in my own words, this is a theory that I found online a few years ago, and seems to have been removed since, as I can't find a trace of it anywhere, so I'll disclaim all credit now, for what it's worth.
If we read [=HH=]'s timeline, we see a split, which as we know involves two timelines left in the wake of the Hero of Time messing with spacetime in [=OoT=]. This works causally, as he simply created a parallel universe which he saved, and then returned to the original universe to prevent the events from transpiring in the first place. The problem here lies in the Downfall Timeline. We are expected to believe that the Ocarina somehow also created a timeline in which Link died? It isn't that Link simply died during his quest, as we'd then have dozens if not hundreds of Downfall Timelines splitting off from each and every game.
There are explanations, of course. I've heard it said that Ganon obtained the Triforce at some point in the Child Timeline and wished that Link would fall to Ganondorf generations prior. However, given that doing so would essentially Thanos-snap the existing Ganon, I can't see him bothering to have a different Ganon win when the current timeline already ends in Ganon obtaining the Triforce. I've also heard the opposite, that the Downfall Timeline was the original one, and after [=AoL=], Link wished on the Triforce to have the Hero of Time succeed, creating the other two timelines.
This is acceptable if you don't dig too deep, and I suspect many came to the same conclusion. However, there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting a different interpretation altogether. Reading the manual for [=ALttP=] produces this passage:
"One day, quite by accident, a gate to the Golden Land of the Triforce was opened by a gang of thieves skilled in the black arts."
It goes on to describe Ganondorf Dragmire, the leader, "vanquishing his own followers" in "a long-running battle" for the Triforce. This seems a far cry from the events of [=OoT=], where Ganondorf was in a position to gain an audience with Zelda's father, hardly a common thief. He also stalked a Kokiri for a while, then backstabbed him in a temple. In fact, the manual even states that he gained the complete Triforce that day, meaning Link never even touched and split the Triforce, let alone made it to their volleyball match. In fact, the events in the manual show quite realistically what would have most likely happened had the Hero of Time not been there at all.
In the backstory of [=TP=], we know that the Hero of Time returned from his adventures in Termina and then brought Ganondorf to justice, banishing him to the Twilight realm and out of the purview of this theory. But what would have happened had the Hero not returned from Termina? It's possible, while difficult, to complete Majora's Mask in as few as six days, which requires Link to play the Song of Time exactly once. However, in [=OoT=] we see that travelling in time causes timelines to split, which means that every time the First Day Dawns, he leaves behind a timeline in which the Moon falls on Termina, the Hero of Time never returns to Hyrule, and Ganondorf Dragmire is never brought to justice and obtains the Triforce. Every time the First Day Dawns, he leaves behind a Downfall Timeline.
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[[WMG: ''Breath of the Wild'' is a SoftReboot of the franchise]]
From now on- or at least for a while- all Zelda games will make an effort to follow from ''Breath of the Wild'' in one consistent linear timeline, with no more interquels, retcons, or timeline splits. Everything before that still "happened", but long enough ago that the details have passed into legend.
From now on- or at least for a while- all Zelda games will make an effort to follow from ''Breath of the Wild'' in one consistent linear timeline, with no more interquels, retcons, or timeline splits. Everything before that still "happened", but long enough ago that the details have passed into legend.
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** The reason this is a Missing Entry is also that murals in Hyrule Castle were added to celebrate a Hero's victory. While it being an early installment can be the out-of-universe reason, one prefers to think that another Hero v. Ganon showdown happened between [=LA=] and [=ALBW=] and that's what the murals are depicting, including Ganon taking the Triforce Of Power with him, even though this is the Downfall Timeline, where he was victorious in [=OoT=].
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** The reason this is a Missing Entry is also that because of the murals in Hyrule Castle were Castle, added to celebrate a Hero's victory. While it [=ALttP=] being an early installment can be the out-of-universe reason, one prefers might prefer to think that another Hero v. Ganon showdown happened between [=LA=] and [=ALBW=] and that's what the murals are depicting, including Ganon taking the Triforce Of Power with him, even though this is the Downfall Timeline, where he was victorious in [=OoT=].against [=OoT=]!Link, prompting the Imprisoning War of [=ALttP=]'s backstory.
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** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati '''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' in [=TMC=] and was somehow resurrected later, and with LaserGuidedAmnesia for no good reason.
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** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] Entry, when it confirmed that Vaati '''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' in [=TMC=] and was somehow resurrected later, and with LaserGuidedAmnesia on top of that for no good reason.better reason than to justify why he didn't remember [=TMC=].
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** What sets this entry apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place. He doesn't use them in [=OoT/MM=], but somehow picked them up, maybe from [=TWW=]!Link, just in time to retire without a successor and utlimately haunt Hyrule until the events of [=TP=].
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** What sets this entry apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place. He doesn't use them in [=OoT/MM=], but somehow picked them up, maybe from [=TWW=]!Link, just in time to retire without a successor and utlimately haunt Hyrule until the events of [=TP=].
* [=ALBW=] Prequel - We know that Ganon lost the Triforce Of Power alongside Wisdom and Courage when he was killed in [=ALttP=], but how did he get it back in time for Yuga to snatch it when [=ALBW=] rolled around? He wasn't shown getting it back when he was briefly resurrected in [=OoX=], thus implying a Missing Entry where he recovered it.
** The reason this is a Missing Entry is also that murals in Hyrule Castle were added to celebrate a Hero's victory. While it being an early installment can be the out-of-universe reason, one prefers to think that another Hero v. Ganon showdown happened between [=LA=] and [=ALBW=] and that's what the murals are depicting, including Ganon taking the Triforce Of Power with him, even though this is the Downfall Timeline, where he was victorious in [=OoT=].
** It's also a point of contention that this Missing Entry could have also been when Ganon stole the Triforce Of Power as stated in [=LoZ=]'s backstory. At the same time, the event could just as easily have occurred between [=ALBW=] and [=LoZ=] so it's non-specific. That said, a new game between [=LA=] and [=ALBW=] could also reveal what happened to [=ALttP=]!Link after the events of [=LA=], like how he got back to Hyrule after waking the Wind Fish.
** The reason this is a Missing Entry is also that murals in Hyrule Castle were added to celebrate a Hero's victory. While it being an early installment can be the out-of-universe reason, one prefers to think that another Hero v. Ganon showdown happened between [=LA=] and [=ALBW=] and that's what the murals are depicting, including Ganon taking the Triforce Of Power with him, even though this is the Downfall Timeline, where he was victorious in [=OoT=].
** It's also a point of contention that this Missing Entry could have also been when Ganon stole the Triforce Of Power as stated in [=LoZ=]'s backstory. At the same time, the event could just as easily have occurred between [=ALBW=] and [=LoZ=] so it's non-specific. That said, a new game between [=LA=] and [=ALBW=] could also reveal what happened to [=ALttP=]!Link after the events of [=LA=], like how he got back to Hyrule after waking the Wind Fish.
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Naturally, with one exception, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*LA*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
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Naturally, with one exception, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*LA*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' ([=LoZ=]) explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
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Rule #1 of child-friendly stories: [[YouCantThwartStageOne While the Bad Guy can win the early battles and force]] TheHero [[BackFromTheBrink to come Back From The Brink]], in the end, [[NoCanonForTheWicked the Hero]] ''[[NoCanonForTheWicked always]]'' [[NoCanonForTheWicked wins the war]]. The very existence of a Fail!Timeline violates this rule. Which would be alright for some third party, but this is a flagship franchise of ''Creator/{{Nintendo}}'', who doesn't have the reputation of supporting {{FamilyUnfriendlyAesop}}s.
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Rule #1 of child-friendly stories: [[YouCantThwartStageOne While the Bad Guy can win the early battles and force]] TheHero [[BackFromTheBrink to come Back From The Brink]], in the end, [[NoCanonForTheWicked the Hero]] ''[[NoCanonForTheWicked always]]'' [[NoCanonForTheWicked wins the war]]. The very existence of a Fail!Timeline violates this rule. Which would be alright for some third party, but this is a flagship franchise FlagshipFranchise of ''Creator/{{Nintendo}}'', who doesn't have the reputation of supporting {{FamilyUnfriendlyAesop}}s.
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Bot W has been out for a year, and now this has been fixed.
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* [=BotW=] Prequel - Before we even begin, I want to clarify that '''NO''', this is '''NOT''' going to be about what happened 100 years ago. This will be taking us even further back. As a year hasn't passed since this game's release, I must inform you that you read below at your own risk.
** [[spoiler:This Missing Entry will be about the events described as taking place 10,000 years before [=BotW=], when Ganon first became the Calamity, and the Sheikah created both the Guardians and the Divine Beasts for the Goddess Incarnate and the Appointed Knight.]]
** [[spoiler:This Missing Entry will be about the events described as taking place 10,000 years before [=BotW=], when Ganon first became the Calamity, and the Sheikah created both the Guardians and the Divine Beasts for the Goddess Incarnate and the Appointed Knight.]]
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* [=BotW=] Prequel - Before we even begin, I want to clarify that '''NO''', this is '''NOT''' going to be about what happened 100 years ago. This will be taking us even further back. As a year hasn't passed since this game's release, I must inform you that you read below at your own risk.
** [[spoiler:This Missing Entry will be aboutback, depicting the events described as taking place 10,000 years before [=BotW=], when Ganon first became the Calamity, and the Sheikah created both the Guardians and the Divine Beasts for the Goddess Incarnate and the Appointed Knight.]]
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* There isn't really a timeline. It's just a 1-player SuperMarioBros with a medieval motif.
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* There isn't really a timeline. It's just a 1-player SuperMarioBros ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' with a medieval motif.
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These come first, as the Triforce was worshiped before the Master Sword was forged. The Hero of the Four Swords, after the adventure, travels as an ambassador to [[SuperMarioBros another kingdom]], where he is observed by that kingdom's [[JackOfAllStats hero]] [[VideoGame/SuperMarioRPG while sleeping in an inn]]. He learns of that hero's [[OliveGarden heritage]] in [[BigApplesauce yet another world]], one dominated by a peculiar [[RaisedCatholic religion]]. Tales of this religion are kept in a separate room of the Hyrule Castle, with portraits of figures from that kingdom, to be revisited later...
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These come first, as the Triforce was worshiped before the Master Sword was forged. The Hero of the Four Swords, after the adventure, travels as an ambassador to [[SuperMarioBros [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros another kingdom]], where he is observed by that kingdom's [[JackOfAllStats hero]] [[VideoGame/SuperMarioRPG while sleeping in an inn]]. He learns of that hero's [[OliveGarden heritage]] in [[BigApplesauce yet another world]], one dominated by a peculiar [[RaisedCatholic religion]]. Tales of this religion are kept in a separate room of the Hyrule Castle, with portraits of figures from that kingdom, to be revisited later...
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[[WMG: JesusChrist, son of a restored Hylia, died to end The Imprisioning War.]]
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[[WMG: JesusChrist, UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}, son of a restored Hylia, died to end The Imprisioning War.]]
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[=Let's see. MC predates OoT. Why? Hat? The fact that you only interact with a few friendly Gorons and the Minish (whom, I bet, evolve into the Kokiri) may be slightly indicative of the Hyrulean Civil War. (SS could take place before or after. The game isn't released yet!) FS also predates the war. The Split Timeline theory is canon, so OoT leading into MM/TP and WW/PH/ST still holds. Next is Oracle of Seasons, which takes place after MM and shows OoT/MM "kid" Link taking on a new adventure and takes place shortly before Ganon's attempt at power. Twinrova appears at the end hoping to help Ganon by getting rid of=] [[strike:Hyrule's army]] [=his greatest foe. Doesn't work. However, she=] ''does'' [=succeed in lighting the Flame of Despair, and the Flame of Destruction is also lit in the process. This'll be important later.=]
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[=Let's see. MC predates OoT.[=OoT=]. Why? Hat? The fact that you only interact with a few friendly Gorons and the Minish (whom, I bet, evolve into the Kokiri) may be slightly indicative of the Hyrulean Civil War. (SS could take place before or after. The game isn't released yet!) FS also predates the war. The Split Timeline theory is canon, so OoT [=OoT=] leading into MM/TP and WW/PH/ST still holds. Next is Oracle of Seasons, which takes place after MM and shows OoT/MM [=OoT=]/MM "kid" Link taking on a new adventure and takes place shortly before Ganon's attempt at power. Twinrova appears at the end hoping to help Ganon by getting rid of=] [[strike:Hyrule's army]] [=his greatest foe. Doesn't work. However, she=] ''does'' [=succeed in lighting the Flame of Despair, and the Flame of Destruction is also lit in the process. This'll be important later.=]
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OOT comes next, we all know how this goes down, Ganon (Wizard) makes his appearance.
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During WW, Link finds the pieces of the Triforce of Courage and brings them to Ganon’s Tower. Tetra, descended from [=OoT=]'s Zelda, already holds the Triforce of Wisdom, and Ganondorf still retains the Triforce of Power from OoT. When the three come together, the Triforce is reunited and used to flood the remains of Hyrule. The Triforce once again splits into three, and each bearer is reunited with their respective piece.
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During WW, Link finds the pieces of the Triforce of Courage and brings them to Ganon’s Tower. Tetra, descended from [=OoT=]'s Zelda, already holds the Triforce of Wisdom, and Ganondorf still retains the Triforce of Power from OoT.[=OoT=]. When the three come together, the Triforce is reunited and used to flood the remains of Hyrule. The Triforce once again splits into three, and each bearer is reunited with their respective piece.
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[=OoT=] through ST is canon. Everything in ST and beyond takes place in New Hyrule, which allows for extremely different geography, neighbors importing strange religions, and the naming of towns after OoT sages. The 'hero in green' from the Picori legend is in fact either WW Link making a replacement for the Master Sword stuck in Ganondorf's head under the sea, or his kid having an adventure in green on his birthday like his dad did.
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[=OoT=] through ST is canon. Everything in ST and beyond takes place in New Hyrule, which allows for extremely different geography, neighbors importing strange religions, and the naming of towns after OoT [=OoT=] sages. The 'hero in green' from the Picori legend is in fact either WW Link making a replacement for the Master Sword stuck in Ganondorf's head under the sea, or his kid having an adventure in green on his birthday like his dad did.
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Here's where it starts to need more explanation. TP happens at least a century after OoT and the events of that game are referenced directly, so it goes after MM. WW also directly references the Hero of Time and happens several centuries after OoT; this is the last we see of the original Hyrule. WW is followed by PH (with the same Link) and then by ST (with a different one). It's in this new Hyrule that MC happens, followed by FS and FSA. In FSA, Ganondorf gains the Trident of Power and turns into his blue pig form, in which he stays for the rest of the timeline. After an untold amount of time, LttP and the rest of the timeline happen, ending with the Oracle games. They're placed last because the main plot of the linked game involves resurrecting Ganon, which continues AoL's plot of trying to resurrect Ganon. It also gives a possible explanation of why the Master Sword is nowhere to be found in the first two games: it's in either Holodrum or Labrynna at the time.
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Here's where it starts to need more explanation. TP happens at least a century after OoT [=OoT=] and the events of that game are referenced directly, so it goes after MM. WW also directly references the Hero of Time and happens several centuries after OoT; [=OoT=]; this is the last we see of the original Hyrule. WW is followed by PH (with the same Link) and then by ST (with a different one). It's in this new Hyrule that MC happens, followed by FS and FSA. In FSA, Ganondorf gains the Trident of Power and turns into his blue pig form, in which he stays for the rest of the timeline. After an untold amount of time, LttP and the rest of the timeline happen, ending with the Oracle games. They're placed last because the main plot of the linked game involves resurrecting Ganon, which continues AoL's plot of trying to resurrect Ganon. It also gives a possible explanation of why the Master Sword is nowhere to be found in the first two games: it's in either Holodrum or Labrynna at the time.
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[[WMG: The Fail!Timeline is the result of Link's dream at the start of [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime OoT]]]]
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The Zelda from TLOZ is the daughter of TP Zelda, who was never a princess but was a decoy for the ''real'' princess, who died many years ago by the hand of Ganondorf. [=AoL=] Zelda was the real Zelda who was killed in the events of TP, not put to sleep, and was brought back to life from that Link. Ganondorf officially died after TP, and Ganon is a demon from Demise who is now given physical form after wishing himself a body and possessing Link from Oracle who fought him.
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The Zelda from TLOZ [=TLOZ=] is the daughter of TP Zelda, who was never a princess but was a decoy for the ''real'' princess, who died many years ago by the hand of Ganondorf. [=AoL=] Zelda was the real Zelda who was killed in the events of TP, not put to sleep, and was brought back to life from that Link. Ganondorf officially died after TP, and Ganon is a demon from Demise who is now given physical form after wishing himself a body and possessing Link from Oracle who fought him.
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Timeline: SS - OoT - MM - TP - WW - PH - ST - MC - FS - FSA - LttP - LA - LBW - LoZ - AoL - OoX
Methods: First, I broke the games down into ones that are clearly connected, which looks like this - LoZ/AoL, LttP/LA, LttP/LBW, OoT/MM, OoT/TP, OoT/WW, WW/PH/ST, MC/FS/FSA, and OoS/OoA.
From there, I started arranging them into a timeline, starting with the ones of least debate and going from there. So LttP is a prequel to LoZ and LBW is a sequel to LttP, but with a different Link. OoT is also a prequel to LttP, and SS is currently the official first game (it does depict the founding of Hyrule, after all). So that already does a lot of work, giving us SS - OoT - MM - LttP - LA - LBW - LoZ - AoL.
Methods: First, I broke the games down into ones that are clearly connected, which looks like this - LoZ/AoL, LttP/LA, LttP/LBW, OoT/MM, OoT/TP, OoT/WW, WW/PH/ST, MC/FS/FSA, and OoS/OoA.
From there, I started arranging them into a timeline, starting with the ones of least debate and going from there. So LttP is a prequel to LoZ and LBW is a sequel to LttP, but with a different Link. OoT is also a prequel to LttP, and SS is currently the official first game (it does depict the founding of Hyrule, after all). So that already does a lot of work, giving us SS - OoT - MM - LttP - LA - LBW - LoZ - AoL.
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Timeline: SS - OoT [=OoT=] - MM - TP - WW - PH - ST - MC - FS - FSA - LttP [=LttP=] - LA - LBW - LoZ [=LoZ=] - AoL [=AoL=] - OoX
[=OoX=]
Methods: First, I broke the games down into ones that are clearly connected, which looks like this -LoZ/AoL, LttP/LA, LttP/LBW, OoT/MM, OoT/TP, OoT/WW, [=LoZ=]/[=AoL=], [=LttP=]/LA, [=LttP=]/LBW, [=OoT=]/MM, [=OoT=]/TP, [=OoT=]/WW, WW/PH/ST, MC/FS/FSA, and OoS/OoA.
[=OoS=]/[=OoA=].
From there, I started arranging them into a timeline, starting with the ones of least debate and going from there. SoLttP [=LttP=] is a prequel to LoZ [=LoZ=] and LBW is a sequel to LttP, [=LttP=], but with a different Link. OoT [=OoT=] is also a prequel to LttP, [=LttP=], and SS is currently the official first game (it does depict the founding of Hyrule, after all). So that already does a lot of work, giving us SS - OoT [=OoT=] - MM - LttP [=LttP=] - LA - LBW - LoZ [=LoZ=] - AoL.
[=AoL=].
Methods: First, I broke the games down into ones that are clearly connected, which looks like this -
From there, I started arranging them into a timeline, starting with the ones of least debate and going from there. So
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* Adventure of Link (Same Link from TLOZ, finishes off Ganon forever, this is the current Zelda game in timeline.)
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* Adventure of Link (Same Link from TLOZ, [=TLOZ=], finishes off Ganon forever, this is the current Zelda game in timeline.)
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After looking over the offical timeline, I noticed that in the "Hero Fails" timeline, there's an event marked as ''Tragedy of Princess Zelda I'' right before the original [=LoZ=] and [=AoL=]. Right before THAT is a "golden era" with the "Triforce-using Monarchy." In the first LoZ, there are only ''two'' pieces of the Triforce mentioned. In [=AoL=], you have to restore the Triforce of Courage. Clearly, ''something'' happened between the time of the Triforce-using Monarchy and the events of the original [=LoZ=][[note]]maybe even something that made people forget there were originally ''three'' pieces of the Triforce?[[/note]] that caused the Triforce of Courage to shatter. Perhaps the event that shattered the Triforce of Courage is the same event which caused Princess Zelda I to fall into her long slumber. Exactly what that event was though, I'm not sure.
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After looking over the offical timeline, I noticed that in the "Hero Fails" timeline, there's an event marked as ''Tragedy of Princess Zelda I'' right before the original [=LoZ=] and [=AoL=]. Right before THAT is a "golden era" with the "Triforce-using Monarchy." In the first LoZ, ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'', there are only ''two'' pieces of the Triforce mentioned. In [=AoL=], you have to restore the Triforce of Courage. Clearly, ''something'' happened between the time of the Triforce-using Monarchy and the events of the original [=LoZ=][[note]]maybe even something that made people forget there were originally ''three'' pieces of the Triforce?[[/note]] that caused the Triforce of Courage to shatter. Perhaps the event that shattered the Triforce of Courage is the same event which caused Princess Zelda I to fall into her long slumber. Exactly what that event was though, I'm not sure.
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[[WMG: Killing Link in the Downfall Timeline also destroyed the universe's Z-axis]]
* Thus explaining why no fully 3D Zelda game has ever been made in the Downfall Timeline.
* Thus explaining why no fully 3D Zelda game has ever been made in the Downfall Timeline.
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Also, notice the games that are in the Fail!Timeline. They are all for the NES, the SNES, and the Game Boy. All games that are for later systems are in one of the other two timelines. I'm not sure whether [=OoT=] and MM were remade for the UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube, but if they weren't, then this does cause some problems regarding [=ALttP=], if not Zeldas 1&2 as well, as all of these above would be accessible via the VirtualConsole. Still, removing the Game Boy games from any relevant timeline ''is'' a practical matter, concerning the ''lack'' of a [=VC=] for Game Boy. Perhaps Nintendo thought that [=ALttP=] was too attached to LA.
In essence, in creating the Fail!Timeline, Nintendo is saying to these games, "[[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Thanks for creating the franchise, but your]] EarlyInstallmentWeirdness [[ContinuityLockout and inaccessibility]] (again, VirtualConsole notwithstanding for 1-3) [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness has made your existence]] [[ContinuitySnarl a liability]]. Though, at least, you ''did'' exist, [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaCDIGames unlike games best left unmentioned]], and so [[{{Zonk}} we are creating this 'third timeline']] to recognize that fact." -- Tropers/DonaldthePotholer
In essence, in creating the Fail!Timeline, Nintendo is saying to these games, "[[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Thanks for creating the franchise, but your]] EarlyInstallmentWeirdness [[ContinuityLockout and inaccessibility]] (again, VirtualConsole notwithstanding for 1-3) [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness has made your existence]] [[ContinuitySnarl a liability]]. Though, at least, you ''did'' exist, [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaCDIGames unlike games best left unmentioned]], and so [[{{Zonk}} we are creating this 'third timeline']] to recognize that fact." -- Tropers/DonaldthePotholer
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Also, notice the games that are in the Fail!Timeline. They are all for the NES, the SNES, and the Game Boy. All games that are for later systems are in one of the other two timelines. I'm not sure whether [=OoT=] and MM were remade for the UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube, but if they weren't, then this does cause some problems regarding [=ALttP=], if not Zeldas 1&2 as well, as all of these above would be accessible via the VirtualConsole.UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole. Still, removing the Game Boy games from any relevant timeline ''is'' a practical matter, concerning the ''lack'' of a [=VC=] for Game Boy. Perhaps Nintendo thought that [=ALttP=] was too attached to LA.
In essence, in creating the Fail!Timeline, Nintendo is saying to these games, "[[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Thanks for creating the franchise, but your]] EarlyInstallmentWeirdness [[ContinuityLockout and inaccessibility]] (again,VirtualConsole UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole notwithstanding for 1-3) [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness has made your existence]] [[ContinuitySnarl a liability]]. Though, at least, you ''did'' exist, [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaCDIGames unlike games best left unmentioned]], and so [[{{Zonk}} we are creating this 'third timeline']] to recognize that fact." -- Tropers/DonaldthePotholer
In essence, in creating the Fail!Timeline, Nintendo is saying to these games, "[[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Thanks for creating the franchise, but your]] EarlyInstallmentWeirdness [[ContinuityLockout and inaccessibility]] (again,
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* [=TMC=] Prequel - [[http://zelda.gamepedia.com/Hero_of_Men#Possible_Candidates Zelda Wiki]] has acknowledged the idea that the Hero Of Men from the intro might be another incarnation of Link, citing the use of Link's likeness in the image accompanying this. Nintendo is free to [[{{Jossed}} Joss]] this at any time, but until then, this Missing Entry assumes the theory is correct.
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* [=BotW=] Prequel - Before we even begin, I want to clarify that '''NO''', this is '''NOT''' going to be about what happened 100 years ago. This will be taking us even further back. As a year hasn't passed since this game's release, I must inform you that you read below at your own risk.
** [[spoiler:This Missing Entry will be about the events described as taking place 10,000 years before [=BotW=], when Ganon first became the Calamity, and the Sheikah created both the Guardians and the Divine Beasts for the Goddess Incarnate and the Appointed Knight.]]
** [[spoiler:This Missing Entry will be about the events described as taking place 10,000 years before [=BotW=], when Ganon first became the Calamity, and the Sheikah created both the Guardians and the Divine Beasts for the Goddess Incarnate and the Appointed Knight.]]
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*But why would Nintendo lie about it- starting with the ''second game'' for that matter?
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** What sets this entry apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place. He doesn't use them in [=OoT/MM=], but somehow picked them up, maybe from [=TWW]!Link, just in time to retire without a successor and die with regrets and haunt Hyrule until the events of [=TP=].
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** What sets this entry apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place. He doesn't use them in [=OoT/MM=], but somehow picked them up, maybe from [=TWW]!Link, [=TWW=]!Link, just in time to retire without a successor and die with regrets and utlimately haunt Hyrule until the events of [=TP=].
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** What sets this entry apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
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** What sets this entry apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
place. He doesn't use them in [=OoT/MM=], but somehow picked them up, maybe from [=TWW]!Link, just in time to retire without a successor and die with regrets and haunt Hyrule until the events of [=TP=].
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaatihas, in the past, has already broken out of his prison and gotten pwned been defeated by [=FSA=]!Link, [=FSA=]!Link once before, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati
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Naturally, with one exception, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*) (*cough*TP*cough*LA*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
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This isn't so much a guess as a collection of implied events thanks to what would otherwise be throw-away lines in the games.
* The original incarnation of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. Whether or not this game will resemble the manga remains to be seen.
* [=FS=] prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. The hero in this story could be a descendant and/or reincarnation of [=TMC=]!Link, receiving the Four Sword from his family/retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati [[KilledOffForReal died]] in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later with LaserGuidedAmnesia.
* [=MM=]/[=TP=] interquel - Nonspecific adventure where the Hero Of Time learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
** What sets this apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
* [=FSA=] prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
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This isn't so much a guess as a collection of implied events thanks to what would otherwise be throw-away lines in the games.
* The original incarnation of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. Whether or not this game will resemble the manga remains to be seen.
* [=FS=] prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. The hero in this story could be a descendant and/or reincarnation of [=TMC=]!Link, receiving the Four Sword from his family/retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati [[KilledOffForReal died]] in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later with LaserGuidedAmnesia.
* [=MM=]/[=TP=] interquel - Nonspecific adventure where the Hero Of Time learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
** What sets this apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
* [=FSA=] prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
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** What sets this entry apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
* [=FSA=]
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Naturally, with one exception, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
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if you insist on having it here specifically then sure i guess, i dont have the motivation to debate that. but im still cleaning up your word cruft
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This isn't so much a guess as a collection of implied entries in the timeline thanks to what would otherwise be throw-away lines in the games.
* Naturally, we must begin with the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. As a matter of course, whether or not this game will include the scenes from that manga remains to be seen.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be either a |''descendant'' / '''reincarnation''' / '''''both-at-once'''''| of [=TMC=]!Link, |''receiving the Four Sword from his family'' / '''retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it'''| and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati '''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later, and with LaserGuidedAmnesia, to boot.
* [=MM=] to [=TP=] Interquel - Tl;dr the Hero Of Time learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
** What sets this apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time even picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
* Naturally, we must begin with the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. As a matter of course, whether or not this game will include the scenes from that manga remains to be seen.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be either a |''descendant'' / '''reincarnation''' / '''''both-at-once'''''| of [=TMC=]!Link, |''receiving the Four Sword from his family'' / '''retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it'''| and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati '''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later, and with LaserGuidedAmnesia, to boot.
* [=MM=] to [=TP=] Interquel - Tl;dr the Hero Of Time learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
** What sets this apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time even picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
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This isn't so much a guess as a collection of implied entries in the timeline events thanks to what would otherwise be throw-away lines in the games.
*Naturally, we must begin with the true (canon?) depiction The original incarnation of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. As a matter of course, whether Whether or not this game will include resemble the scenes from that manga remains to be seen.
seen.
* [=FS=]Prequel prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the The hero in this story could be either a |''descendant'' / '''reincarnation''' / '''''both-at-once'''''| descendant and/or reincarnation of [=TMC=]!Link, |''receiving receiving the Four Sword from his family'' / '''retrieving family/retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it'''| it and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati'''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' [[KilledOffForReal died]] in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later, and later with LaserGuidedAmnesia, to boot.
LaserGuidedAmnesia.
*[=MM=] to [=TP=] Interquel [=MM=]/[=TP=] interquel - Tl;dr Nonspecific adventure where the Hero Of Time learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
** What sets this apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Timeeven picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
place.
* [=FSA=]Prequel prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
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This isn't so much a guess as a collection of implied entries in the timeline thanks to what would otherwise be throw-away lines in the games.
* Naturally, we must begin with the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. As a matter of course, whether or not this game will include the scenes from that manga remains to be seen.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be either a |''descendant'' / '''reincarnation''' / '''''both-at-once'''''| of [=TMC=]!Link, |''receiving the Four Sword from his family'' / '''retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it'''| and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati '''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later, and with LaserGuidedAmnesia, to boot.
* [=MM=] to [=TP=] Interquel - Tl;dr the Hero Of Time learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
** What sets this apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time even picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
** The pre-HH theory was that [=FS=] was what was being referenced, just as the backstory for [=FS=] was believed to be referencing [=TMC=], but [=HH=] {{Jossed}} both by (A) placing [=TMC=] and [=FS=] before [=OoT=], (B) placing [=FSA=] after [=TP=], and (C) providing the aforementioned statement of Vaati The Minish being KilledOffForReal in [=TMC=].
Naturally, with one exception, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
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This isn't so much a guess as a collection of implied entries in the timeline thanks to what would otherwise be throw-away lines in the games.
* Naturally, we must begin with the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. As a matter of course, whether or not this game will include the scenes from that manga remains to be seen.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be either a |''descendant'' / '''reincarnation''' / '''''both-at-once'''''| of [=TMC=]!Link, |''receiving the Four Sword from his family'' / '''retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it'''| and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati '''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later, and with LaserGuidedAmnesia, to boot.
* [=MM=] to [=TP=] Interquel - Tl;dr the Hero Of Time learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
** What sets this apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time even picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
** The pre-HH theory was that [=FS=] was what was being referenced, just as the backstory for [=FS=] was believed to be referencing [=TMC=], but [=HH=] {{Jossed}} both by (A) placing [=TMC=] and [=FS=] before [=OoT=], (B) placing [=FSA=] after [=TP=], and (C) providing the aforementioned statement of Vaati The Minish being KilledOffForReal in [=TMC=].
Naturally, with one exception, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
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[[WMG:Missing Entries (Future Games?) by @/MugenKagemaru]]
This isn't so much a guess as a collection of implied entries in the timeline thanks to what would otherwise be throw-away lines in the games.
* Naturally, we must begin with the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. As a matter of course, whether or not this game will include the scenes from that manga remains to be seen.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be either a |''descendant'' / '''reincarnation''' / '''''both-at-once'''''| of [=TMC=]!Link, |''receiving the Four Sword from his family'' / '''retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it'''| and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati '''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later, and with LaserGuidedAmnesia, to boot.
* [=MM=] to [=TP=] Interquel - Tl;dr the Hero Of Time learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
** What sets this apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time even picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
** The pre-HH theory was that [=FS=] was what was being referenced, just as the backstory for [=FS=] was believed to be referencing [=TMC=], but [=HH=] {{Jossed}} both by (A) placing [=TMC=] and [=FS=] before [=OoT=], (B) placing [=FSA=] after [=TP=], and (C) providing the aforementioned statement of Vaati The Minish being KilledOffForReal in [=TMC=].
Naturally, with one exception, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
[[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry What do you think, everyone?]]
This isn't so much a guess as a collection of implied entries in the timeline thanks to what would otherwise be throw-away lines in the games.
* Naturally, we must begin with the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. As a matter of course, whether or not this game will include the scenes from that manga remains to be seen.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be either a |''descendant'' / '''reincarnation''' / '''''both-at-once'''''| of [=TMC=]!Link, |''receiving the Four Sword from his family'' / '''retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it'''| and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati '''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later, and with LaserGuidedAmnesia, to boot.
* [=MM=] to [=TP=] Interquel - Tl;dr the Hero Of Time learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
** What sets this apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time even picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
** The pre-HH theory was that [=FS=] was what was being referenced, just as the backstory for [=FS=] was believed to be referencing [=TMC=], but [=HH=] {{Jossed}} both by (A) placing [=TMC=] and [=FS=] before [=OoT=], (B) placing [=FSA=] after [=TP=], and (C) providing the aforementioned statement of Vaati The Minish being KilledOffForReal in [=TMC=].
Naturally, with one exception, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
[[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry What do you think, everyone?]]
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** What sets this apart from other AndTheAdventureContinues ideas is that it fills the plot hole of where the Hero Of Time even picked up the Hidden Skills in the first place.
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* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be either a descendant/reincarnation/both-at-once of [=TMC=]!Link, |receiving the Four Sword from his family / retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it| and going off to challenge Vaati.
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* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be either a descendant/reincarnation/both-at-once |''descendant'' / '''reincarnation''' / '''''both-at-once'''''| of [=TMC=]!Link, |receiving |''receiving the Four Sword from his family family'' / retrieving '''retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it| it'''| and going off to challenge Vaati.
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* Naturally, we must begin with the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. Whether this game will include the scenes from that manga will, of course, be revealed whenever.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be a descendant/reincarnation/both-at-once of [=TMC=]!Link, receiving/retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it and going off to challenge Vaati.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be a descendant/reincarnation/both-at-once of [=TMC=]!Link, receiving/retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it and going off to challenge Vaati.
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* Naturally, we must begin with the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. Whether As a matter of course, whether or not this game will include the scenes from that manga will, of course, remains to be revealed whenever.
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* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be either a descendant/reincarnation/both-at-once of [=TMC=]!Link,receiving/retrieving |receiving the Four Sword from his family / retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it it| and going off to challenge Vaati.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be either a descendant/reincarnation/both-at-once of [=TMC=]!Link,
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Naturally, with one exception, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
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* Naturally, we must begin with the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. Whether this game will include the scenes from that manga will, of course, be revealed whenever.
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[[WMG:Missing Entries (Future Games?) by @/MugenKagemaru]]
This isn't so much a guess as a collection of implied entries in the timeline thanks to what would otherwise be throw-away lines in the games.
* Naturally, we must the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. Whether this game will include the scenes from that manga will, of course, be revealed whenever.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be a descendant/reincarnation/both-at-once of [=TMC=]!Link, receiving/retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati '''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later, and with LaserGuidedAmnesia, to boot.
* [=MM=] to [=TP=] Prequel - Basically the final adventures of the Hero Of Time where he learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
** The pre-HH theory was that [=FS=] was what was being referenced, just as the backstory for [=FS=] was believed to be referencing [=TMC=], but [=HH=] {{Jossed}} both by (A) placing [=TMC=] and [=FS=] before [=OoT=], (B) placing [=FSA=] after [=TP=], and (C) providing the aforementioned statement of Vaati The Minish being KilledOffForReal in [=TMC=].
Naturally, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
[[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry What do you think, everyone?]]
This isn't so much a guess as a collection of implied entries in the timeline thanks to what would otherwise be throw-away lines in the games.
* Naturally, we must the true (canon?) depiction of Hylia's Chosen Hero, the focus of the [=SS=] manga in [=HH=]. Whether this game will include the scenes from that manga will, of course, be revealed whenever.
* [=FS=] Prequel - In the instruction booklet for the [=GBA=] re-release of [=ALttP=], [=FS=] revealed that Vaati had been defeated once before, when he was sealed in the Four Sword. Obviously the hero in this story could be a descendant/reincarnation/both-at-once of [=TMC=]!Link, receiving/retrieving the Four Sword from wherever his predecessor left it and going off to challenge Vaati.
** [=HH=] both {{Jossed}} the original idea that [=TMC=] was about this hero, and provided the final implication that this is, in fact, a Missing Entry. [=HH=] confirmed that Vaati '''[[KilledOffForReal DIED]]''' in [=TMC=] and was resurrected somehow later, and with LaserGuidedAmnesia, to boot.
* [=MM=] to [=TP=] Prequel - Basically the final adventures of the Hero Of Time where he learns the Hidden Skills that he passes on to [=TP=]!Link.
* [=FSA=] Prequel - If you pay attention to [=FSA=]'s opening text, you'll notice a line that implies that Vaati has, in the past, broken out of his prison and gotten pwned by [=FSA=]!Link, all before the events of [=FSA=] even take place.
** The pre-HH theory was that [=FS=] was what was being referenced, just as the backstory for [=FS=] was believed to be referencing [=TMC=], but [=HH=] {{Jossed}} both by (A) placing [=TMC=] and [=FS=] before [=OoT=], (B) placing [=FSA=] after [=TP=], and (C) providing the aforementioned statement of Vaati The Minish being KilledOffForReal in [=TMC=].
Naturally, I left out the obvious AndTheAdventureContinues sequel ideas where it seemed like Link was setting out on another adventure after the credits roll in his game (*cough*TP*cough*) and thus opening the door for a Missing Entry covering this new adventure. Not to mention a Prequel to ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' explaining just what the hell the original Link was up to before he saved Impa and learned of his destiny.
[[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry What do you think, everyone?]]
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** '''Timeline where Link is defeated by Ganondorf (The initial battle, where both engage in [[http://zeldawiki.org/Dead_Man's_Volley#Users_of_the_Technique Dead Man's Volley]])''': [=LttP=] - [=OoS=]/[=OoA=] - LA - [=LoZ=] - [=AoL=] ([[WordOfGod LBW - TFH]][[note]]The placement of this game is "six generations after ''Link to the Past''", which puts it sometime after ''Link's Awakening'', but its exact placement is otherwise indeterminate. Word Of God is that the Link in ''Tri Force Heroes'' is the same one from ''A Link Between Worlds''.[[/note]])
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** '''Timeline where Link is defeated by Ganondorf (The initial battle, where both engage in [[http://zeldawiki.org/Dead_Man's_Volley#Users_of_the_Technique Dead Man's Volley]])''': Volley)''': [=LttP=] - [=OoS=]/[=OoA=] - LA - [=LoZ=] - [=AoL=] ([[WordOfGod LBW - TFH]][[note]]The placement of this game is "six generations after ''Link to the Past''", which puts it sometime after ''Link's Awakening'', but its exact placement is otherwise indeterminate. Word Of God is that the Link in ''Tri Force Heroes'' is the same one from ''A Link Between Worlds''.[[/note]])
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** '''Timeline where Link is defeated by Ganon''': [=LttP=] - [=OoS=]/[=OoA=] - LA - [=LoZ=] - [=AoL=] ([[WordOfGod LBW - TFH]][[note]]The placement of this game is "six generations after ''Link to the Past''", which puts it sometime after ''Link's Awakening'', but its exact placement is otherwise indeterminate. Word Of God is that the Link in ''Tri Force Heroes'' is the same one from ''A Link Between Worlds''.[[/note]])
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** '''Timeline where Link is defeated by Ganon''': Ganondorf (The initial battle, where both engage in [[http://zeldawiki.org/Dead_Man's_Volley#Users_of_the_Technique Dead Man's Volley]])''': [=LttP=] - [=OoS=]/[=OoA=] - LA - [=LoZ=] - [=AoL=] ([[WordOfGod LBW - TFH]][[note]]The placement of this game is "six generations after ''Link to the Past''", which puts it sometime after ''Link's Awakening'', but its exact placement is otherwise indeterminate. Word Of God is that the Link in ''Tri Force Heroes'' is the same one from ''A Link Between Worlds''.[[/note]])
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[[WMG: Legend of Zelda is one big case of Negative Continuity]]
There is no timeline, no canon. The map shifts around relatively often, it bounces about between silly and serious while the same characters appear and then disappear in time. We hear all sorts of explanations but there's a simple explanation. We are playing through a father's bedtime story he's telling his kids. It started off very simple, just Link fighting in what amounted to a desert wasteland with hardly any people but plenty of monsters to save the girl. Not much of a story, but it would entertain very young children. As the story continues and the children get older, the story gets more characters and we have more complex and serious plots. Conflicts with little details? Oh he's changing the story to fit the children's needs. And Majora's Mask was a halloween tale told over a campfire.
In the end, we have a loving father entertaining his kids and giving them happy memories of Link, Zelda, and Ganon for them to remember in their adulthood. Continuity doesn't matter when you're telling children good stories.
There is no timeline, no canon. The map shifts around relatively often, it bounces about between silly and serious while the same characters appear and then disappear in time. We hear all sorts of explanations but there's a simple explanation. We are playing through a father's bedtime story he's telling his kids. It started off very simple, just Link fighting in what amounted to a desert wasteland with hardly any people but plenty of monsters to save the girl. Not much of a story, but it would entertain very young children. As the story continues and the children get older, the story gets more characters and we have more complex and serious plots. Conflicts with little details? Oh he's changing the story to fit the children's needs. And Majora's Mask was a halloween tale told over a campfire.
In the end, we have a loving father entertaining his kids and giving them happy memories of Link, Zelda, and Ganon for them to remember in their adulthood. Continuity doesn't matter when you're telling children good stories.
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ST Link and ST Zelda's families remain EXTREMELY close after the game, which is why Link and Zelda are already friends in MC. FS and FSA are set a few years later. Sometime later, New Hyrule's neighbor Catalina imports Christianity, and since this Hyrule isn't actually IN the 'Land of the Gods', it gains a following relatively quickly. During the long gap between ST and [=LoZ=], the train system breaks down, as the Demon King is gone and the tracks were his 'chains'. The Ganon in [=LoZ=] is the Ganon from FSA doing the spiritual reincarnation thing, but the Silver Arrows make him also KilledOfForReal. His minions try to revive him using Link's blood but that fails due to Link beating them all up.
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ST Link and ST Zelda's families remain EXTREMELY close after the game, which is why Link and Zelda are already friends in MC. FS and FSA are set a few years later. Sometime later, New Hyrule's neighbor Catalina imports Christianity, and since this Hyrule isn't actually IN the 'Land of the Gods', it gains a following relatively quickly. During the long gap between ST and [=LoZ=], the train system breaks down, as the Demon King is gone and the tracks were his 'chains'. The Ganon in [=LoZ=] is the Ganon from FSA doing the spiritual reincarnation thing, but the Silver Arrows make him also KilledOfForReal.KilledOffForReal. His minions try to revive him using Link's blood but that fails due to Link beating them all up.
