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First of all, the Bad Place said that yes, they had been looking for an "Eleanor Shellstrop", but why would they be if they already had one? Second, they didn't leave the other Eleanor when originally leaving the Good Place; they only brought her out after Michael changed his mind and decided to keep Eleanor. (Of course that would be a very ''bad'' sort of thing to do and thus be in character for the bad place (to try to keep ''both'' Eleanors), but this is just a possibility.)
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First of all, the Bad Place said that yes, they had been looking for an "Eleanor Shellstrop", but why would they be if they already had one? Second, they didn't leave the other Eleanor when originally leaving the Good Place; they only brought her out after Michael changed his mind and decided to keep Eleanor. (Of course that would be a very ''bad'' sort of thing to do and thus be in character for the bad place (to try to keep ''both'' Eleanors), but this is just a possibility.))
* They'd be looking because Alt!Eleanor would have said she didn't belong almost right away, assuming the process is even remotely similar to the Good Place. They would have known they had the wrong person but probably not worried too much about getting Alt!Eleanor to the Good Place only getting Prime!Eleanor to the Bad.
[[WMG: This particular neighborhood IS the Mediocre Place.]]
It's just the first one and Michael doesn't know. The powers that be wanted to see both if people could improve if surrounded by positive influences and if a Medicore Place would even work to begin with ie a place for neither the saintly nor the sinners.
* They'd be looking because Alt!Eleanor would have said she didn't belong almost right away, assuming the process is even remotely similar to the Good Place. They would have known they had the wrong person but probably not worried too much about getting Alt!Eleanor to the Good Place only getting Prime!Eleanor to the Bad.
[[WMG: This particular neighborhood IS the Mediocre Place.]]
It's just the first one and Michael doesn't know. The powers that be wanted to see both if people could improve if surrounded by positive influences and if a Medicore Place would even work to begin with ie a place for neither the saintly nor the sinners.
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That by creating a unique ethical dilemma by trying to undermine the premise of the good place, they would [[Film/{{Dogma}} prove God wrong, and thus unmake the universe]].
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That by creating a unique ethical dilemma by trying to undermine the premise of the good place, they would [[Film/{{Dogma}} prove God wrong, and thus unmake the universe]].universe]].
[[WMG: The other "Eleanor Shellstrop" isn't actually.]]
First of all, the Bad Place said that yes, they had been looking for an "Eleanor Shellstrop", but why would they be if they already had one? Second, they didn't leave the other Eleanor when originally leaving the Good Place; they only brought her out after Michael changed his mind and decided to keep Eleanor. (Of course that would be a very ''bad'' sort of thing to do and thus be in character for the bad place (to try to keep ''both'' Eleanors), but this is just a possibility.)
[[WMG: The other "Eleanor Shellstrop" isn't actually.]]
First of all, the Bad Place said that yes, they had been looking for an "Eleanor Shellstrop", but why would they be if they already had one? Second, they didn't leave the other Eleanor when originally leaving the Good Place; they only brought her out after Michael changed his mind and decided to keep Eleanor. (Of course that would be a very ''bad'' sort of thing to do and thus be in character for the bad place (to try to keep ''both'' Eleanors), but this is just a possibility.)
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[[WMG: Eleanor will start her own "Mediocre Place".]]
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[[WMG: Eleanor will start her own "Mediocre Place".]]]]
[[WMG: The mistake was an elaborate con by The Bad Place to destroy all existence]]
That by creating a unique ethical dilemma by trying to undermine the premise of the good place, they would [[Film/{{Dogma}} prove God wrong, and thus unmake the universe]].
[[WMG: The mistake was an elaborate con by The Bad Place to destroy all existence]]
That by creating a unique ethical dilemma by trying to undermine the premise of the good place, they would [[Film/{{Dogma}} prove God wrong, and thus unmake the universe]].
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Eleanor and Jason both made their living selling fake drugs (him to teenagers, and her to old people). Maybe that was a factor in whatever mistake the celestial bureaucracy made that let them in.
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Eleanor and Jason both made their living selling fake drugs (him to teenagers, and her to old people). Maybe that was a factor in whatever mistake the celestial bureaucracy made that let them in.in.
[[WMG: Eleanor will start her own "Mediocre Place".]]
[[WMG: Eleanor will start her own "Mediocre Place".]]
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* Michael, in the pilot, says that there are multiple Good Places, each one uniquely designed according to their architects' visions.
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They were meant to be a pair from the beginning, but the accidental presence of Eleanor and Jason split them up.
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They were meant to be a pair from the beginning, but the accidental presence of Eleanor and Jason split them up.up.
[[WMG: Eleanor and Jason's professions have something to do with them getting into the good place.]]
Eleanor and Jason both made their living selling fake drugs (him to teenagers, and her to old people). Maybe that was a factor in whatever mistake the celestial bureaucracy made that let them in.
[[WMG: Eleanor and Jason's professions have something to do with them getting into the good place.]]
Eleanor and Jason both made their living selling fake drugs (him to teenagers, and her to old people). Maybe that was a factor in whatever mistake the celestial bureaucracy made that let them in.
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The Great Place is heaven (or whatever).
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The Great Place is heaven (or whatever).whatever).
[[WMG: Chidi and Tahani are soul mates.]]
They were meant to be a pair from the beginning, but the accidental presence of Eleanor and Jason split them up.
[[WMG: Chidi and Tahani are soul mates.]]
They were meant to be a pair from the beginning, but the accidental presence of Eleanor and Jason split them up.
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It's not that they're necessarily bad people, but there's a dissonance between what Michael says and even someone like Tahani who - while good - still has some less desirable traits.
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It's not that they're necessarily bad people, but there's a dissonance between what Michael says and even someone like Tahani who - while good - still has some less desirable traits.
traits. And Chidi, while a nice guy, did only one (notable) thing - write an ethics book which was never published.
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A bit further out there than most of the theories, but the people whose lives got people like Eleanor into the Good Place don't actually have a place in the afterlife now, instead of being stuck with the "proper" one for their counterpart. And thus, they are now immortal.
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A bit further out there than most of the theories, but the people whose lives got people like Eleanor into the Good Place don't actually have a place in the afterlife now, instead of being stuck with the "proper" one for their counterpart. And thus, they are now immortal.immortal.
[[WMG: Everyone in the main cast isn't suppose to be there.]]
It's not that they're necessarily bad people, but there's a dissonance between what Michael says and even someone like Tahani who - while good - still has some less desirable traits.
[[WMG: There's The Good Place and then there's The Great Place.]]
The Great Place is heaven (or whatever).
[[WMG: Everyone in the main cast isn't suppose to be there.]]
It's not that they're necessarily bad people, but there's a dissonance between what Michael says and even someone like Tahani who - while good - still has some less desirable traits.
[[WMG: There's The Good Place and then there's The Great Place.]]
The Great Place is heaven (or whatever).
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They have a better chemistry than Chidi. And in some ways, she's a reflection of Eleanor as a good person - extravagant, lavish, and so on. After all, her house is extremely opulent.
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They have a better chemistry than Chidi. And in some ways, she's a reflection of Eleanor as a good person - extravagant, lavish, and so on. After all, her house is extremely opulent.opulent.
[[WMG: Theodore Roosevelt is having the time of his afterlife in the Bad Place.]]
People have been shown to be able to affect their environment with just their will, at least in the Good Place, and TR basically willed himself out of having asthma when he was alive. Imagine him hunting demons and protecting the people who still ended up in the Bad Place despite doing good with their lives.
[[WMG: The people on the other end of the mistaken identities can't die.]]
A bit further out there than most of the theories, but the people whose lives got people like Eleanor into the Good Place don't actually have a place in the afterlife now, instead of being stuck with the "proper" one for their counterpart. And thus, they are now immortal.
[[WMG: Theodore Roosevelt is having the time of his afterlife in the Bad Place.]]
People have been shown to be able to affect their environment with just their will, at least in the Good Place, and TR basically willed himself out of having asthma when he was alive. Imagine him hunting demons and protecting the people who still ended up in the Bad Place despite doing good with their lives.
[[WMG: The people on the other end of the mistaken identities can't die.]]
A bit further out there than most of the theories, but the people whose lives got people like Eleanor into the Good Place don't actually have a place in the afterlife now, instead of being stuck with the "proper" one for their counterpart. And thus, they are now immortal.
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* This troper came to make the same WMG. Everyone has something that needs to be fixed, even if they aren't "bad" people. Episode 4 gave us some idea of this with Chidi's life's work apparently being an insanely confusing and rambling DoorStopper that even a supernatural being couldn't make heads or tails of--he tried to make a difference, but apparently wasn't able to do so. Rehabilitating Eleanor is his test.
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* This troper came to make the same WMG. Everyone has something that needs to be fixed, even if they aren't "bad" people. Episode 4 gave us some idea of this with Chidi's life's work apparently being an insanely confusing and rambling DoorStopper that even a supernatural being couldn't make heads or tails of--he tried to make a difference, but apparently wasn't able to do so. Rehabilitating Eleanor is his test.test.
[[WMG: Tahani is Eleanor's actual soulmate.]]
They have a better chemistry than Chidi. And in some ways, she's a reflection of Eleanor as a good person - extravagant, lavish, and so on. After all, her house is extremely opulent.
[[WMG: Tahani is Eleanor's actual soulmate.]]
They have a better chemistry than Chidi. And in some ways, she's a reflection of Eleanor as a good person - extravagant, lavish, and so on. After all, her house is extremely opulent.
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* Relatedly, it's Purgatory for Michael too, although he doesn't know it. His flaw is perfectionism, and his unrealistic expectations would likely make any Heaven he's in charge of either break down from trying to function under far too many rules or turn it into a ghost town because no-one would be "good enough." The "flaws" in the Good Place, including Eleanor, were put in place to intentionally contribute to the breakdown of Michael's too-exacting Heaven, hopefully teaching him that "good enough" is preferable to an unrealistically perfect idea.
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* Relatedly, it's Purgatory for Michael too, although he doesn't know it. His flaw is perfectionism, and his unrealistic expectations would likely make any Heaven he's in charge of either break down from trying to function under far too many rules or turn it into a ghost town because no-one would be "good enough." The "flaws" in the Good Place, including Eleanor, were put in place to intentionally contribute to the breakdown of Michael's too-exacting Heaven, hopefully teaching him that "good enough" is preferable to an unrealistically perfect idea.idea.
* This troper came to make the same WMG. Everyone has something that needs to be fixed, even if they aren't "bad" people. Episode 4 gave us some idea of this with Chidi's life's work apparently being an insanely confusing and rambling DoorStopper that even a supernatural being couldn't make heads or tails of--he tried to make a difference, but apparently wasn't able to do so. Rehabilitating Eleanor is his test.
* This troper came to make the same WMG. Everyone has something that needs to be fixed, even if they aren't "bad" people. Episode 4 gave us some idea of this with Chidi's life's work apparently being an insanely confusing and rambling DoorStopper that even a supernatural being couldn't make heads or tails of--he tried to make a difference, but apparently wasn't able to do so. Rehabilitating Eleanor is his test.
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[[WMG: The Good Place is actually Purgatory]]
Everyone who's sent there are people who are not terrible, but have some noticeable flaw (Chidi's circular logic, Tahani's self-obsession, Eleanor's extreme selfishness). Being told this is the place for people who are the best of the best is a way to encourage them to improve.
Everyone who's sent there are people who are not terrible, but have some noticeable flaw (Chidi's circular logic, Tahani's self-obsession, Eleanor's extreme selfishness). Being told this is the place for people who are the best of the best is a way to encourage them to improve.
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[[WMG: The Good Place is actually Purgatory]]
Purgatory.]]
Everyone who's sent there are people who are not terrible, but have some noticeable flaw (Chidi's circular logic, Tahani's self-obsession, Eleanor's extreme selfishness). Being told this is the place for people who are the best of the best is a way to encourage them toimprove.improve.
* Relatedly, it's Purgatory for Michael too, although he doesn't know it. His flaw is perfectionism, and his unrealistic expectations would likely make any Heaven he's in charge of either break down from trying to function under far too many rules or turn it into a ghost town because no-one would be "good enough." The "flaws" in the Good Place, including Eleanor, were put in place to intentionally contribute to the breakdown of Michael's too-exacting Heaven, hopefully teaching him that "good enough" is preferable to an unrealistically perfect idea.
Everyone who's sent there are people who are not terrible, but have some noticeable flaw (Chidi's circular logic, Tahani's self-obsession, Eleanor's extreme selfishness). Being told this is the place for people who are the best of the best is a way to encourage them to
* Relatedly, it's Purgatory for Michael too, although he doesn't know it. His flaw is perfectionism, and his unrealistic expectations would likely make any Heaven he's in charge of either break down from trying to function under far too many rules or turn it into a ghost town because no-one would be "good enough." The "flaws" in the Good Place, including Eleanor, were put in place to intentionally contribute to the breakdown of Michael's too-exacting Heaven, hopefully teaching him that "good enough" is preferable to an unrealistically perfect idea.
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[[WMG: 'The Good Place' is not the only good place.]]
The Good Place was specifically designed to house the people who can only be happy by knowing how much better they are then everybody else, that is why that are all told that a perfect system calculated their life scores and told that only the people with the very highest scores get to go and not to think about everybody else. The rest of the good people live in another place that is not to restrictive but has all the same benefits.
The Good Place was specifically designed to house the people who can only be happy by knowing how much better they are then everybody else, that is why that are all told that a perfect system calculated their life scores and told that only the people with the very highest scores get to go and not to think about everybody else. The rest of the good people live in another place that is not to restrictive but has all the same benefits.
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*Alternately the real Eleanor will want to do the same thing she did in life, saving innocent people from punishment
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Michael says that every religion got about 5% right, and Hindus and Buddhists are two of the first ones he mentions. Both faiths that believe in reincarnation and seek release from the cycle of death and rebirth.
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Michael says that every religion got about 5% right, and Hindus and Buddhists are two of the first ones he mentions. Both faiths that believe in reincarnation and seek release from the cycle of death and rebirth.rebirth.
[[WMG: The Good Place is actually Purgatory]]
Everyone who's sent there are people who are not terrible, but have some noticeable flaw (Chidi's circular logic, Tahani's self-obsession, Eleanor's extreme selfishness). Being told this is the place for people who are the best of the best is a way to encourage them to improve.
[[WMG: The Good Place is actually Purgatory]]
Everyone who's sent there are people who are not terrible, but have some noticeable flaw (Chidi's circular logic, Tahani's self-obsession, Eleanor's extreme selfishness). Being told this is the place for people who are the best of the best is a way to encourage them to improve.
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* This "Good Place" certainly does have its fair share of elitism, what with almost everyone humble-bragging about what amazing works they did to get there.
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It would help to alleviate the [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horror]] inherent to the idea of a person ending up in eternal torment after a lifetime of philanthropic escapades and magnanimous behavior. Eleanor (and at least some others like her) will use The Bad Place as a chance to cut loose, whether that simply means taking more time to enjoy themselves (if there's any truth to the above) or [[BewareTheNiceOnes embracing their inner psychopaths]]. When we inevitably encounter her, she will balk at the idea of entering The Good Place and choose instead to remain where she is.
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It would help to alleviate the [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horror]] inherent to the idea of a person ending up in eternal torment after a lifetime of philanthropic escapades and magnanimous behavior. Eleanor (and at least some others like her) will use The Bad Place as a chance to cut loose, whether that simply means taking more time to enjoy themselves (if there's any truth to the above) or [[BewareTheNiceOnes embracing their inner psychopaths]]. When we inevitably encounter her, she will balk at the idea of entering The Good Place and choose instead to remain where she is.is.
[[WMG: The Bad Place is the land of the living]]
Michael says that every religion got about 5% right, and Hindus and Buddhists are two of the first ones he mentions. Both faiths that believe in reincarnation and seek release from the cycle of death and rebirth.
[[WMG: The Bad Place is the land of the living]]
Michael says that every religion got about 5% right, and Hindus and Buddhists are two of the first ones he mentions. Both faiths that believe in reincarnation and seek release from the cycle of death and rebirth.
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Considering that only the "best of the best" get into The Good Place, that some incredibly noble people failed to make it in, and that most artists and musicians of note are excluded offhandedly, The Bad Place is where all of the most "fun" (read: amicable, outgoing, open-minded) people in history inevitably end up. The soundbite Janet played is intended to mislead; there may be stretches filled with the worst of the worst, the psychopaths, the people who are only interested in harming others or themselves, but the rest of the place would logically range from chill hangouts to [[AHellofATime roaring parties]]. There is the possibility of entities existing to actively make the place unpleasant, but given [[BeleagueredBureaucrat Michael's]] disposition and [[YourMindMakesItReal Eleanor's]] affect on The Good Place, chances are that the only people there with any real power are...well, the people!
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Considering that only the "best of the best" get into The Good Place, that some incredibly noble people failed to make it in, and that most artists and musicians of note are excluded offhandedly, The Bad Place is where all of the most "fun" (read: amicable, outgoing, open-minded) people in history inevitably end up. The soundbite Janet played is intended to mislead; there may be stretches filled with the worst of the worst, the psychopaths, the people who are only interested in harming others or themselves, but the rest of the place would logically range from chill hangouts to [[AHellofATime roaring parties]]. There is the possibility of entities existing to actively make the place unpleasant, but given [[BeleagueredBureaucrat Michael's]] disposition and [[YourMindMakesItReal Eleanor's]] affect on The Good Place, chances are that the only people there with any real power are...well, the people!people!
[[WMG: The real Eleanor will enjoy The Bad Place.]]
It would help to alleviate the [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horror]] inherent to the idea of a person ending up in eternal torment after a lifetime of philanthropic escapades and magnanimous behavior. Eleanor (and at least some others like her) will use The Bad Place as a chance to cut loose, whether that simply means taking more time to enjoy themselves (if there's any truth to the above) or [[BewareTheNiceOnes embracing their inner psychopaths]]. When we inevitably encounter her, she will balk at the idea of entering The Good Place and choose instead to remain where she is.
[[WMG: The real Eleanor will enjoy The Bad Place.]]
It would help to alleviate the [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horror]] inherent to the idea of a person ending up in eternal torment after a lifetime of philanthropic escapades and magnanimous behavior. Eleanor (and at least some others like her) will use The Bad Place as a chance to cut loose, whether that simply means taking more time to enjoy themselves (if there's any truth to the above) or [[BewareTheNiceOnes embracing their inner psychopaths]]. When we inevitably encounter her, she will balk at the idea of entering The Good Place and choose instead to remain where she is.
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What better way to shake up the status quo but have someone kicked out of The Good Place? Perhaps expose the black heart underneath their good deeds giving them a 1 way trip to the bad place?
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What better way to shake up the status quo but have someone kicked out of The Good Place? Perhaps expose the black heart underneath their good deeds giving them a 1 way trip to the bad place?place?
[[WMG: The Bad Place is actually pretty cool.]]
Considering that only the "best of the best" get into The Good Place, that some incredibly noble people failed to make it in, and that most artists and musicians of note are excluded offhandedly, The Bad Place is where all of the most "fun" (read: amicable, outgoing, open-minded) people in history inevitably end up. The soundbite Janet played is intended to mislead; there may be stretches filled with the worst of the worst, the psychopaths, the people who are only interested in harming others or themselves, but the rest of the place would logically range from chill hangouts to [[AHellofATime roaring parties]]. There is the possibility of entities existing to actively make the place unpleasant, but given [[BeleagueredBureaucrat Michael's]] disposition and [[YourMindMakesItReal Eleanor's]] affect on The Good Place, chances are that the only people there with any real power are...well, the people!
[[WMG: The Bad Place is actually pretty cool.]]
Considering that only the "best of the best" get into The Good Place, that some incredibly noble people failed to make it in, and that most artists and musicians of note are excluded offhandedly, The Bad Place is where all of the most "fun" (read: amicable, outgoing, open-minded) people in history inevitably end up. The soundbite Janet played is intended to mislead; there may be stretches filled with the worst of the worst, the psychopaths, the people who are only interested in harming others or themselves, but the rest of the place would logically range from chill hangouts to [[AHellofATime roaring parties]]. There is the possibility of entities existing to actively make the place unpleasant, but given [[BeleagueredBureaucrat Michael's]] disposition and [[YourMindMakesItReal Eleanor's]] affect on The Good Place, chances are that the only people there with any real power are...well, the people!
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* Confirmed in episode 2.
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* Confirmed in episode 2.
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* Confirmed in episode 2.
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Related to the last part of the above, Michael is presumably an angel or some equivalent, but his name might be deceptive in terms of which angel he is. Specifically, he may be a FallenAngel by the end of the series. As of right now, he's just been granted a greater responsibility/power, and while grateful, implies that he feels this wasn't soon enough. Despite being charged with watching over humans, he doesn't really seem to "get" them, both in terms of physiology and morality. And he's already done some literal [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]], in addition to being perfectly okay with what he understands as a system wherein everyone, except for a ridiculously select few, is guaranteed an eternity of torment.
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Related to the last part of the above, Michael is presumably an angel or some equivalent, but his name might be deceptive in terms of which angel he is. Specifically, he may be a FallenAngel by the end of the series. As of right now, he's just been granted a greater responsibility/power, and while grateful, implies that he feels this wasn't soon enough. Despite being charged with watching over humans, he doesn't really seem to "get" them, both in terms of physiology and morality. And he's already done some literal [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]], in addition to being perfectly okay with what he understands as a system wherein everyone, except for a ridiculously select few, is guaranteed an eternity of torment.torment.
[[WMG: A season finale will involve someone getting kicked out]]
What better way to shake up the status quo but have someone kicked out of The Good Place? Perhaps expose the black heart underneath their good deeds giving them a 1 way trip to the bad place?
[[WMG: A season finale will involve someone getting kicked out]]
What better way to shake up the status quo but have someone kicked out of The Good Place? Perhaps expose the black heart underneath their good deeds giving them a 1 way trip to the bad place?
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Eleanor was brought to The Good Place as an experiment to see if a selfish person could be turned good after their death. This would explain why her "soul mate" is an ethics professor i.e. the perfect person to accomplish a task like that.
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Eleanor was brought to The Good Place as an experiment to see if a selfish person could be turned good after their death. This would explain why her "soul mate" is an ethics professor i.e. the perfect person to accomplish a task like that.that.
[[WMG: It wasn't a mistake. And it's not just Eleanor being tested.]]
Related to the above, an element that presents a test to everyone in the Good Place is the supposed relegation of 99.9% of other people to a Hell whose exact nature if kept ambiguous (in a way that is deliberately suspicious) and which is revealed to anyone who asks in the way Eleanor did to be an eternity of unending torture. A good person, especially someone as good as the people selected to be in the Good Place are supposed to be, should have a huge problem with this. In fact, it's even possible that Michael himself is being tested, given that the Good Place is his first run at creating a dimension himself, and the "Powers That Be" decided to test him by misleading him as to how many people are damned.
[[WMG: Michael is Satan]].
Related to the last part of the above, Michael is presumably an angel or some equivalent, but his name might be deceptive in terms of which angel he is. Specifically, he may be a FallenAngel by the end of the series. As of right now, he's just been granted a greater responsibility/power, and while grateful, implies that he feels this wasn't soon enough. Despite being charged with watching over humans, he doesn't really seem to "get" them, both in terms of physiology and morality. And he's already done some literal [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]], in addition to being perfectly okay with what he understands as a system wherein everyone, except for a ridiculously select few, is guaranteed an eternity of torment.
[[WMG: It wasn't a mistake. And it's not just Eleanor being tested.]]
Related to the above, an element that presents a test to everyone in the Good Place is the supposed relegation of 99.9% of other people to a Hell whose exact nature if kept ambiguous (in a way that is deliberately suspicious) and which is revealed to anyone who asks in the way Eleanor did to be an eternity of unending torture. A good person, especially someone as good as the people selected to be in the Good Place are supposed to be, should have a huge problem with this. In fact, it's even possible that Michael himself is being tested, given that the Good Place is his first run at creating a dimension himself, and the "Powers That Be" decided to test him by misleading him as to how many people are damned.
[[WMG: Michael is Satan]].
Related to the last part of the above, Michael is presumably an angel or some equivalent, but his name might be deceptive in terms of which angel he is. Specifically, he may be a FallenAngel by the end of the series. As of right now, he's just been granted a greater responsibility/power, and while grateful, implies that he feels this wasn't soon enough. Despite being charged with watching over humans, he doesn't really seem to "get" them, both in terms of physiology and morality. And he's already done some literal [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]], in addition to being perfectly okay with what he understands as a system wherein everyone, except for a ridiculously select few, is guaranteed an eternity of torment.
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* Eleanor was brought to The Good Place as an experiment to see if a selfish person could be turned good after their death. This would explain why her "soul mate" is an ethics professor i.e. the perfect person to accomplish a task like that.
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* Eleanor was brought to The Good Place as an experiment to see if a selfish person could be turned good. This would explain why her "soul mate" was an ethics professor i.e. the perfect person to accomplish a task like that.
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* Eleanor was brought to The Good Place as an experiment to see if a selfish person could be turned good. good after their death. This would explain why her "soul mate" was is an ethics professor i.e. the perfect person to accomplish a task like that.
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Those are her memories, and she will be a lawyer: it just happens after she wakes up, having been changed by her time in the good place.
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Those are her memories, and she will be a lawyer: it just happens after she wakes up, having been changed by her time in the good place.place.
[[WMG: It wasn't a mistake.]]
* Eleanor was brought to The Good Place as an experiment to see if a selfish person could be turned good. This would explain why her "soul mate" was an ethics professor i.e. the perfect person to accomplish a task like that.
[[WMG: It wasn't a mistake.]]
* Eleanor was brought to The Good Place as an experiment to see if a selfish person could be turned good. This would explain why her "soul mate" was an ethics professor i.e. the perfect person to accomplish a task like that.
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It's all actually just part of TheMatrix. It's a version of the 1st "perfect" matrix. And Eleanor is the human who's going to break down the victim's ease to show them that their world is a lie.
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It's all actually just part of TheMatrix. It's a version of the 1st "perfect" matrix. And Eleanor is the human who's going to break down the victim's ease to show them that their world is a lie.lie.
[[WMG: Eleanor is in a coma.]]
Those are her memories, and she will be a lawyer: it just happens after she wakes up, having been changed by her time in the good place.
[[WMG: Eleanor is in a coma.]]
Those are her memories, and she will be a lawyer: it just happens after she wakes up, having been changed by her time in the good place.
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* Eleanor is not the only one who doesn't belong in the Good Place, she's just the only one to be honest about it.
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She's just the only one to be honest about
[[WMG: Related to the above, none of the humans truly belong in the Good Place]]
The "accountants" simply include a "grace note" to give some of them the boost they need.
[[WMG: The Good Place is a lie!]]
It's all actually just part of TheMatrix. It's a version of the 1st "perfect" matrix. And Eleanor is the human who's going to break down the victim's ease to show them that their world is a lie.
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* Eleanor is not the only one who doesn't belong in the Good Place, she's just the only one to be honest about it.
