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In the far far past, Dragons, hobbits, dwarves, elves... etc... lived on the Earth, then called Middle-Earth. But the world evolved. The world modernized into a parallel world to ours, where the fantasy creatures still existed but were hidden from the non-magical beings, jump about 2000 years later, a cataclysm caused all the humans and fantasy creatures to die out, all that was left were the animals. The very last human left was the wizard Radagast the Brown who with his magic stayed young for millenniums. He cast one last spell on the world's woodland creatures to start a new way of life before he passed on.


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In the far far past, Dragons, hobbits, dwarves, elves... etc... lived on the Earth, then called Middle-Earth. But the world evolved. The world modernized into a parallel world to ours, where the fantasy creatures still existed but were hidden from the non-magical beings, jump about 2000 years later, a cataclysm caused all the humans and fantasy creatures but one to die out, aside from that one person, all that was left were the animals. The very last human left was the wizard Radagast the Brown who with his used the most powerful magic stayed to stay young for millenniums. He cast one last spell on the world's woodland creatures to start a new way of life before he passed on.

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In the far far past, Dragons, hobbits, dwarves, elves... etc... lived on the Earth, then called Middle-Earth. But the world evolved. The world modernized into a parallel world to ours, where the fantasy creatures still existed but were hidden from the muggles, jump about 2000 years later, a cataclysm caused all the humans and fantasy creatures to die out, all that was left were the animals. The very last human left was the wizard Radagast the Brown who with his magic stayed young for millenniums. He cast one last spell on the world's woodland creatures to start a new way of life before he passed on.


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In the far far past, Dragons, hobbits, dwarves, elves... etc... lived on the Earth, then called Middle-Earth. But the world evolved. The world modernized into a parallel world to ours, where the fantasy creatures still existed but were hidden from the muggles, non-magical beings, jump about 2000 years later, a cataclysm caused all the humans and fantasy creatures to die out, all that was left were the animals. The very last human left was the wizard Radagast the Brown who with his magic stayed young for millenniums. He cast one last spell on the world's woodland creatures to start a new way of life before he passed on.

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[[WMG: Lord of the Rings, and Harry Potter and Redwall all take place in the same canon.]]


In the far far past, Dragons, hobbits, dwarves, elves... etc... lived on the Earth, then called Middle-Earth. But the world evolved. The world modernized into a parallel world to ours, where the fantasy creatures still existed but were hidden from the muggles, jump about 2000 years later, a cataclysm caused all the humans and fantasy creatures to die out, all that was left were the animals. The very last human left was the wizard Radagast the Brown who with his magic stayed young for millenniums. He cast one last spell on the world's woodland creatures to start a new way of life before he passed on.

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* Um... do keep in mind, that Woodlanders fear and judge vermin for a reason. Namely because they DO do evil things. Throughout the series Vermin kill and enslave whenever they can sometimes just for the heck of it, and for fun. That is "unjust prejudice?"
I admit you can't judge all vermin, but Woodlanders don't take any chances, so vermin have to earn their trust before obtaining their friendship, which has happened a few times.

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* Um... do keep in mind, that Woodlanders fear and judge vermin for a reason. Namely because they DO do evil things. Throughout the series Vermin kill and enslave whenever they can sometimes just for the heck of it, and for fun. That is "unjust prejudice?"
prejudice?" I admit you can't judge all vermin, but Woodlanders don't take any chances, so vermin have to earn their trust before obtaining their friendship, which has happened a few times.
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* Um... do keep in mind, that Woodlanders fear and judge vermin for a reason. Namely because they DO do evil things. Throughout the series Vermin kill and enslave whenever they can sometimes just for the heck of it, and for fun. That is "unjust prejudice?"
I admit you can't judge all vermin, but Woodlanders don't take any chances, so vermin have to earn their trust before obtaining their friendship, which has happened a few times.
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* This theory was basically proven in ''The Rogue Crew'' with Uggo Wiltud. Despite being granted the sword, he doesn't gain any special powers, he doesn't become more confident or badass, and he barely even knows how to wield the damn thing properly. He only kills one vermin (by accident) the entire time he's holding it, and shortly afterwards, ''he drops it''. The last novel blatantly stated that it's not the sword that matters, but the beast wielding it.
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[[WMG:Redwall takes place in the far flung future of the Rats of NIMH.]]
Humans have died out and human level smarts have somehow passed to most animals.

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**Judging by the rest of the examples, none of these three qualify. Some of the main qualifications for being Martin (in all the books that I remember) include successfully wielding Martin's sword, which Bragoon does but Horty does not (he wounded his footpaw by stabbing himself with the sword while he was showing off); getting a vision from Martin, which none of the three get, though Saro jokes about Martin warning her and Bragoon to leave years ago; and surviving till the end of the book, [[spoiler: which Horty does but Bragoon and Saro do not]].




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** WordofGod says this is true.
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It affected every species, and affected individuals went berserk. Mercifully, they adapted ere long. They adapted in different ways though. Cats, rats and most mustelids all have it but it does not affect them as much; it just makes them more easily angered. Lagomorphs, badgers, and most rodents don't normally get it, but those who do only have it flare up in extreme fight-or-flight--it's called the Bloodwrath.

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It affected every species, and affected individuals went berserk. Mercifully, they adapted ere long. They adapted in different ways though. Cats, rats and most mustelids all have it but it does not affect them as much; it just makes them more easily angered. Their cultures did grow more ruthless, though. Lagomorphs, badgers, and most rodents don't normally get it, but those who do only have it flare up in extreme fight-or-flight--it's called the Bloodwrath.

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This sort of ties in with the idea that each of his successors are his reincarnations - perhaps his sword contains his Exaltation, and that's why they seem to attain mastery so quickly. I think he's either a Dawn or a Zenith, based on his abilities.

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This sort of ties in with the idea that each of his successors are his reincarnations - perhaps his sword contains his Exaltation, and that's why they seem to attain mastery so quickly. I think he's either a Dawn or a Zenith, based on his abilities. abilities.

[[WMG:Thousands of generations before, a HatePlague broke out.]]
It affected every species, and affected individuals went berserk. Mercifully, they adapted ere long. They adapted in different ways though. Cats, rats and most mustelids all have it but it does not affect them as much; it just makes them more easily angered. Lagomorphs, badgers, and most rodents don't normally get it, but those who do only have it flare up in extreme fight-or-flight--it's called the Bloodwrath.
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[[WMG: Martin The Warrior is an animal reincarnation of the [[AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar]].]]

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[[WMG: Martin The Warrior is an animal reincarnation of the [[AvatarTheLastAirbender [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar]].]]
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** On the other hand, it's a canonical fact that Matthias is actually Martin himself, reincarnated in order to save the Abbey from it's first Vermin Horde in generations. Martin/Matthias has no conscious memory of his past life, but there are examples of moments where his past self wakes up long enough to encourage him to get back up and fight. Presumably, his original identity as Martin reasserted itself after Matthias died of old age.
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[[WMG: Martin's sword is a [[AssassinsCreed Piece of Eden]].]]

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[[WMG: Martin's sword is a [[AssassinsCreed [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Piece of Eden]].]]



We know from the second AssassinsCreed game that one of the pieces is sword-shaped. Somehow, before his death, Martin managed to unlock the secrets of the sword, and give it simple instructions. Now it protects the abbey, using induced visions to guide prospective owners and torment anyone who threatens the people Martin swore to protect. It also gives free sword training brain downloads on contact.

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We know from the second AssassinsCreed ''VideoGame/{{Assassins Creed|II}}'' game that one of the pieces is sword-shaped. Somehow, before his death, Martin managed to unlock the secrets of the sword, and give it simple instructions. Now it protects the abbey, using induced visions to guide prospective owners and torment anyone who threatens the people Martin swore to protect. It also gives free sword training brain downloads on contact.
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**What about Arven (From "The Long Patrol".)?
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[[WMG: The Redwallers believe that eating cures depression.]]
It would explain why many of them are described as being chubby, fat, or flat-out obese. It would also explain why Redwallers have a knack for hosting feasts shortly after someone's death [[AngstWhatAngst and seemingly mentioning the dead character's name only a few times later in each novel]]. And given the [[AnyoneCanDie high death rate in Mossflower]], [[FridgeBrilliance it makes sense once you think about it]].
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[[WMG: Martin is/was an {{Exalted}}.]]
This sort of ties in with the idea that each of his successors are his reincarnations - perhaps his sword contains his Exaltation, and that's why they seem to attain mastery so quickly. I think he's either a Dawn or a Zenith, based on his abilities.
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* Redwall takes place in the same universe as {{Jack}}?

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* Redwall takes place in the same universe as {{Jack}}?''Webcomic/{{Jack}}''?
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[[WMG: Hares eat as much as they do because ...]]
... they're trying to absorb enough nutrients that they don't have to resort to [[{{Squick}} coprophagy]] as real hares and rabbits do. Or they're trying to get rid of the taste when they do have to do that.
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[[WMG: Martin is a Time Lord.]]
The various characters who carry spiritual connections to Martin are his reincarnations, The Warrior is his Time Lord name, and the sword is his TARDIS.

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* As far as this troper can tell it's just (in [=DnD=] terms) a masterwork adamantine greatsword. It's only special quality appears to be cutting through steel and meteors are said to be a common source of adamantine.

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* As far as this troper can tell it's It's just (in [=DnD=] terms) a masterwork adamantine greatsword. It's greatsword. Its only special quality appears to be cutting through steel steel, and meteors are said to be a common source of adamantine.



Blood ties are extremely important in the Redwall verse. Martin is able to speak to Matthias through visions even when Matthias isn't holding the sword because they are distantly related. This explains why Martin's contact with other wielders of his sword (besides Mattimeo and Martin II, who are both descendants of Matthias) is much less direct.
* Though this raises the question of ''how'' they're related. Martin was the last living member of his family and it's been stated that he had no children.
** Eh. He settles down and hangs up his sword at the end of ''TheLegendOfLuke''. Maybe he fooled around with somebody on the side? Probably not BJ's way, though.

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Blood ties are extremely important in the Redwall verse.'verse. Martin is able to speak to Matthias through visions even when Matthias isn't holding the sword because they are distantly related. This explains why Martin's contact with other wielders of his sword (besides Mattimeo and Martin II, who are both descendants of Matthias) is much less direct.
* Though this This raises the question of ''how'' they're related. Martin was the last living member of his family and it's been stated that he had no children.
** Eh. He settles down and hangs up his sword at the end of ''TheLegendOfLuke''. Maybe he fooled around with somebody on the side? Probably not BJ's way, though.side?



We know from the second game that one of the pieces is sword-shaped. Somehow, before his death, Martin managed to unlock the secrets of the sword, and give it simple instructions. Now it protects the abbey, using induced visions to guide prospective owners and torment anyone who threatens the people Martin swore to protect. It also gives free sword training brain downloads on contact.

[[WMG: If Matthias is a reincarnation of Martin, Cornflower is a reincarnation of Rose.]]

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We know from the second AssassinsCreed game that one of the pieces is sword-shaped. Somehow, before his death, Martin managed to unlock the secrets of the sword, and give it simple instructions. Now it protects the abbey, using induced visions to guide prospective owners and torment anyone who threatens the people Martin swore to protect. It also gives free sword training brain downloads on contact.

[[WMG: If Matthias is a reincarnation of Martin, then Cornflower is a reincarnation of Rose.]]



A very horrible Xenophobic religion! Stoat eats birds? HES EVIL! Rat is farming peacefully? HE KILLED THE POOR BEAST IN CHARGE OF THE FARM! Fox fishing peacefully? [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking SHE IS DOING IT EVILLY! ]]
Martin was highly racial of "Vermin" Because he was 'enslaved' by the bad kind of fox, and he had very crappy luck and ran into another "Vermin" who he instantly said was evil due to childhood traumatic experience, killed him,and made up a lie to justify the means, he was EVIL. Evil! that's all he had to say! "He was attacking an innocent mouse! what else was I to do then to slay him?" He came across a Wild cat who was simply playing a "game" of King of the Hill with a castle with a group of woodlanders. fed them LIES about the Wild cat to, again, Justify why he must kill her. using his mastery of speech ( which he excelled in after a 'crusade against evil' spree of lies and hated. ) then got his ass handed to him only not to die because of plot, and the stories are all LIES told by the point of view of the main character, who was told MORE lies to by the Abbey-Beast to fuel the vicious cycle of hatred in Martin's happy little Abbey!
In Veil's case, he was the son of a "Vermin" and therefor treated like crap and probably not fed or taken care of properly, therefor he 'Stole' food and played 'tricks', which were not [[ForTheEvulz for the Evulz]] but for attention, he is DIEING, he NEEDS FOOD, WATER,FRIENDS. and in the end he did something beast other than woodlanders from around the Abbey saw so they could not change that tidbit in the story, so they twist and turn the words and actions of the poor little guy to make him seen as people have said 'Horrid little bastard' so if somebeast from that area reads it they will assume its the 'Real' Story and thus spread the facts. despite that grandpa and Nana were there and they are still alive to tell the tale they saw him do something for the greater good, they lied just for a good story and Veil was a 'Horrid little bastard'.

Look at other "Vermin" in the story, the odds, the unbelievable feats against them in favor of the good guys, they are IMPOSSIBLE! They are to embellish the views of the Cult and spread the glorious word of Martin! and you fell for it, [[UnwittingPawn hook, line and sinker. ]]

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A very horrible Xenophobic religion! religion!

Stoat eats birds? HES HE'S EVIL! Rat is farming peacefully? HE KILLED THE POOR BEAST IN CHARGE OF THE FARM! Fox fishing peacefully? [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking SHE IS DOING IT EVILLY! ]]
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Martin was highly racial of racist about "Vermin" Because because he was 'enslaved' by the bad kind of fox, and he had very crappy bad luck and ran into another "Vermin" who he instantly said was evil due to childhood traumatic experience, killed him,and made up a lie to justify the means, he means. He was EVIL. Evil! that's all he had to say! "He was attacking an innocent mouse! what else was I to do then to slay him?" him?"

He came across a Wild cat who was simply playing a "game" of King of the Hill with a castle with a group of woodlanders. woodlanders, fed them LIES about the Wild cat to, again, Justify justify why he must kill her. using her. Using his mastery of speech ( speech, which he excelled in after a 'crusade against evil' spree of lies and hated. ) hatred, he then got his ass handed to him only not to die survive because of plot, and the plot or by whatever deity is sponsoring him.

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stories are all LIES told by the point of view of the main character, who was told MORE lies to by the Abbey-Beast to fuel the vicious cycle of hatred in Martin's happy little Abbey!
Abbey!

In Veil's case, he was the son of a "Vermin" and therefor treated like crap and probably not fed or taken care of properly, therefor properly; therefore, he 'Stole' food and played 'tricks', which were not [[ForTheEvulz for the Evulz]] but for attention, he attention. He is DIEING, dying; he NEEDS FOOD, WATER,FRIENDS. food, water, and in friends. In the end end, he did something that a beast other than woodlanders from around the Abbey saw saw, so they could not change that tidbit in the story, so story; instead, they twist and turn the words and actions of the poor little guy to make him seen as people have said 'Horrid little bastard' so if somebeast from that area reads it it, they will assume its the 'Real' Story and thus spread the facts. despite that facts. Even though grandpa and Nana were there and they are still alive to tell the tale that they saw him do something for the greater good, they lied just for a good story and Veil was a 'Horrid little bastard'.

Look at other "Vermin" in the story, story: the odds, the unbelievable feats against them in favor of the good guys, they are IMPOSSIBLE! They are IMPOSSIBLE!

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to embellish the views of the Cult and spread the glorious word of Martin! and you fell for it, [[UnwittingPawn hook, line and sinker. ]]
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[[WMG: Sunflash the Mace started Urgan Nagru down his path.]]
Early in 'Outcast of Redwall', Sunflash scared a family of foxes away from two families of hedgehogs and moles. In return for their lives, he sent them north. In 'The Bellmaker', Urgan Nagru's backstory says that he came from the north. Though he should have reached Mossflower Wood before Southsward, he remembered his family's deal with Sunflash, and skipped over it in an example of honor among thieves, or just hoping that by going further south, Sunflash would never find him.
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** Well, ''Jack'' does feature Artie working at Saint Ninian's Hospital and reading ''Redwall'' to the kids ("[[TearJerker I can't read dis book ...]]").

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** Well, ''Jack'' does feature Artie working at Saint Ninian's Hospital and reading ''Redwall'' to the kids ("[[TearJerker I can't read dis book ...]]").
]]") and Farrago claims to have been a female soldier "before the days of guns and artillery". [[NightmareFuel Since reincarnations in the Jackverse seem to share similar names and appearances with their originals, one kind of hopes she's not actually a reincarnation of Ferahgo.]]
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** Well, ''Jack'' does feature Artie working at Saint Ninian's Hospital and reading ''Redwall'' to the kids ("[[TearJerker I can't read dis book ...]]").
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* Redwall takes place in the same universe as {{Jack}}?
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[[WMG: Vermin are suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome.]]
The vermin show many signs of FAS if not unintended, drinking is very common in the redwall world and the advancements of the vermin are not great enough to understand this risk which there species may not be adapted too. Symptoms [from the other wiki] can include learning disabilities, poor impulse control, poor personal boundaries, poor anger management, stubbornness, intrusive behavior, ADHD, poor judgment, mental retardation, confusion under pressure, poor abstract skills, difficulty distinguishing between fantasy and reality, expressive or receptive language disorders, grasp parts but not whole concepts, lack understanding of metaphor, idioms, or sarcasm, poor motor skills, poor social skills, aggressiveness, and physical deformities. All vermin have shown at least 5 of these things if not more, all of them, from birth; Cluny probably showed every single one to some degree.
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[[WMG: Vermin are suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome.]]
The vermin show many signs of FAS if not unintended, drinking is very common in the redwall world and the advancements of the vermin are not great enough to understand this risk which there species may not be adapted too. Symptoms [from the other wiki] can include learning disabilities, poor impulse control, poor personal boundaries, poor anger management, stubbornness, intrusive behavior, ADHD, poor judgment, mental retardation, confusion under pressure, poor abstract skills, difficulty distinguishing between fantasy and reality, expressive or receptive language disorders, grasp parts but not whole concepts, lack understanding of metaphor, idioms, or sarcasm, poor motor skills, poor social skills, aggressiveness, and physical deformities. All vermin have shown at least 5 of these things if not more, all of them, from birth; Cluny probably showed every single one to some degree.
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[[WMG: Vermin are AlwaysChaoticEvil because of their reproductive biology.]]
There is evidence in the books that vermin are psychologically and biologically very slightly closer to their RealLife animalian counterparts than the woodlanders. Thus, I posit that their reproductive systems are also closer, meaning the females tend to produce large litters, unlike the woodlanders who usually seem to have only one or two at a time (barring a few throwbacks, which would explain Rosie and Tarquin producing twelve kids in one year, or Log-a-Log Furmo's eight). Since they require more meat in their diets than the herbivorous/piscetarian woodlanders, the laws of trophic energy transfer conspire with their higher birth rate to mean that the country could never support them if they all survived to breed. Thus, they become highly aggressive and competitive, and usually keep their population growth down by battling amongst themselves. Every so often they build up to levels high enough to form a horde, which then gets wiped out by the woodlanders, leaving only those whose genes have something to offer in the way of skill or luck and ensuring that the next generation get the good genetic material. Veil was the only vermin infant whose birth was actually mentioned and he was an only child, but it's not unusual for small or frail mother animals, particularly first-time mothers, to produce one big healthy cub rather than a litter which are likely to be sickly and difficult to care for.

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* As far as this troper can tell it's just (in DnD terms) a masterwork adamantine greatsword. It's only special quality appears to be cutting through steel and meteors are said to be a common source of adamantine.

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* As far as this troper can tell it's just (in DnD [=DnD=] terms) a masterwork adamantine greatsword. It's only special quality appears to be cutting through steel and meteors are said to be a common source of adamantine.



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Look at other "Vermin" in the story, the odds, the unbelievable feats against them in favor of the good guys, they are IMPOSSIBLE! They are to embellish the views of the Cult and spread the glorious word of Martin! and you fell for it, [[XanatosSucker hook, line and sinker. ]]

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Look at other "Vermin" in the story, the odds, the unbelievable feats against them in favor of the good guys, they are IMPOSSIBLE! They are to embellish the views of the Cult and spread the glorious word of Martin! and you fell for it, [[XanatosSucker [[UnwittingPawn hook, line and sinker. ]]
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* As far as this troper can tell it's just (in DnD terms) a masterwork adamantine greatsword. It's only special quality appears to be cutting through steel and meteors are said to be a common source of adamantine.

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