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The only Pokemon whose names ''matter'' are the ones the player inputs themselves: The Hero, his/her Partner, and everyone they recruit. Everyone else ''has'' names; the game simply doesn't use them because ''this'' story is ultimately all about the hero and their friends. Wigglytuff's name isn't mentioned because the Guild's called "The Wigglytuff Guild", and [[ViewersAreMorons revealing his real name would just confuse the target audience]], [[SarcasmMode wouldn't it]]? Same goes for Chatot, Bidoof, Sunflora and the rest: it's easier to just address them by ''what'' they are and [[TheLawOfConservationOfDetail conserve details]] rather than juggle extra names. Plus, this lets any fans who ''really'' care about such details to invent their own, putting that much more of a personal spin on ''their'' version of the story.
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The only Pokemon whose names ''matter'' are the ones the player inputs themselves: The Hero, his/her Partner, and everyone they recruit. Everyone else ''has'' names; the game simply doesn't use them because ''this'' story is ultimately all about the hero and their friends. Wigglytuff's name isn't mentioned because the Guild's called "The Wigglytuff Guild", and [[ViewersAreMorons revealing his real name would just confuse the target audience]], audience, [[SarcasmMode wouldn't it]]? Same goes for Chatot, Bidoof, Sunflora and the rest: it's easier to just address them by ''what'' they are and [[TheLawOfConservationOfDetail conserve details]] rather than juggle extra names. Plus, this lets any fans who ''really'' care about such details to invent their own, putting that much more of a personal spin on ''their'' version of the story.
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[[WMG: It's unlikely Dark Matter is really, truly dead.]]
* You can't kill the embodiment of evil that easily, after all. It's quite possible the consciousness and mind of the current version of the incarnation of the darkness of sentient beings was obliterated by the Partner's acceptance of it, but the essence of the entity is likely to re-manifest whenever the evil residing in Pokemon's hearts and souls surges again. Building on above WMGs suggesting the Bittercold and Dark Matter are possibly different incarnations of the same being, whenever it returns it may look, act and think differently but it's still the same thing returned from the Void. It would take either purging all sentient life of darkness and malevolence (which would be bad news for the concept of [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill free will]]) or convincing ALL sentient beings to accept the existence of evil, at least in the Mystery Dungeon universe(s) if not the whole Pokemon multiverse, to finally get rid of it for good. It's ''hard'' to subvert AsLongAsThereIsEvil, sadly.
* You can't kill the embodiment of evil that easily, after all. It's quite possible the consciousness and mind of the current version of the incarnation of the darkness of sentient beings was obliterated by the Partner's acceptance of it, but the essence of the entity is likely to re-manifest whenever the evil residing in Pokemon's hearts and souls surges again. Building on above WMGs suggesting the Bittercold and Dark Matter are possibly different incarnations of the same being, whenever it returns it may look, act and think differently but it's still the same thing returned from the Void. It would take either purging all sentient life of darkness and malevolence (which would be bad news for the concept of [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill free will]]) or convincing ALL sentient beings to accept the existence of evil, at least in the Mystery Dungeon universe(s) if not the whole Pokemon multiverse, to finally get rid of it for good. It's ''hard'' to subvert AsLongAsThereIsEvil, sadly.
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[[WMG: The Pokémon world is a dream world/afterlife]]
All the human characters are either dead, or in a coma.
All the human characters are either dead, or in a coma.
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Accidentally made a WMG page for super mystery dungeon because I forgot there\'s one here. Could someone delete that for me? I moved what I had there here.
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[[WMG: The Bittercold and Dark Matter are the same/similar beings.]]
*Both of them are said to be made of the negative emotions in Pokémon's hearts, but there are a number of differences, such as appearance, and abilities. Here's this troper's theory on the differences; The Bittercold came about because Kyurem tried to accelerate Dark Matter's forming process in an attempt to get the wait over with. The end result is that Dark Matter was "stillborn", left half-formed, and so it wasn't sentient. Despite this, it still had it's mind control powers, but it used them purely on instinct, to disable anything it saw as a threat; hence the Winds of Despair. If we take a look at the cores of the [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bittercold_Core_PMDGTI.png Bittercold]] and [[http://www.serebii.net/supermysterydungeon/00404.png Dark Matter]] You can see that they look almost exactly the same. So, the Bittercold is what you get when you try to wake Dark Matter up early.
*Both of them are said to be made of the negative emotions in Pokémon's hearts, but there are a number of differences, such as appearance, and abilities. Here's this troper's theory on the differences; The Bittercold came about because Kyurem tried to accelerate Dark Matter's forming process in an attempt to get the wait over with. The end result is that Dark Matter was "stillborn", left half-formed, and so it wasn't sentient. Despite this, it still had it's mind control powers, but it used them purely on instinct, to disable anything it saw as a threat; hence the Winds of Despair. If we take a look at the cores of the [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bittercold_Core_PMDGTI.png Bittercold]] and [[http://www.serebii.net/supermysterydungeon/00404.png Dark Matter]] You can see that they look almost exactly the same. So, the Bittercold is what you get when you try to wake Dark Matter up early.
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They may or may not turn out to be TheDragon or TheBigBad. It might be a potential PlayerPunch if the player and his/her partner has bonded with the mentor.
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They may or may not turn out to be TheDragon or TheBigBad.the BigBad. It might be a potential PlayerPunch if the player and his/her partner has bonded with the mentor.
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This builds on a few of the other WMG's here, but I'll make this it's own. The events of the first and second games are loosely connected together. The Gardevoir you rescue in Red/Blue is the Gardevoir in Team Charm of Explorers, and along the way to this she also teamed up with Team ACT' Medicham, who disbanded the team after Gengar had stopped working together with them. The Wigglytuff in Red/Blue is Explorers Wigglytuff's mother. Grovyle is the player after time had stopped, (This one is debatable as you'd need to be Treecko in Red/Blue) and bands up with the Player of Explorers before he turns into a Pokémon. The reason he does so is not only to reverse time, but to also rescue his Red/Blue partner after he was trapped in time. There's also the WMG about the Western/Eastern cave. Discuss the connections you find.
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This builds on a few of the other WMG's here, but I'll make this it's own. The events of the first and second games are loosely connected together. The Gardevoir you rescue in Red/Blue is the Gardevoir in Team Charm of Explorers, and along the way to this she also teamed up with Team ACT' Meanies' Medicham, who disbanded the team after Gengar had stopped working together with them. The Wigglytuff in Red/Blue is Explorers Wigglytuff's mother. Grovyle is the player after time had stopped, (This one is debatable as you'd need to be Treecko in Red/Blue) and bands up with the Player of Explorers before he turns into a Pokémon. The reason he does so is not only to reverse time, but to also rescue his Red/Blue partner after he was trapped in time. There's also the WMG about the Western/Eastern cave. Discuss the connections you find.
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** [[FridgeHorror Those who die in the Bad Future get stuck in that dying state forever.]]
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This builds on a few of the other WMG's here, but I'll make it it's own. The events of the first and second games are loosely connected together. The Gardevoir you rescue in Red/Blue is the Gardevoir in Team Charm of Explorers, and along the way to this she also teamed up with Team Meanies' Medicham, who disbanded the team after Gengar had stopped working together with them. The Wigglytuff in Red/Blue is Explorers Wigglytuff's mother. Grovyle is the player after time had stopped,(This one is debatable as you'd need to be Treecko in Red/Blue.) and bands up with the Player of Explorers before he turns into a Pokémon. The reason he does so is not only to reverse time, but to also rescue his Red/Blue partner after he was trapped in time. There's also the WMG about the Western/Eastern cave. Discuss the connections you find.
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This builds on a few of the other WMG's here, but I'll make it this it's own. The events of the first and second games are loosely connected together. The Gardevoir you rescue in Red/Blue is the Gardevoir in Team Charm of Explorers, and along the way to this she also teamed up with Team Meanies' ACT' Medicham, who disbanded the team after Gengar had stopped working together with them. The Wigglytuff in Red/Blue is Explorers Wigglytuff's mother. Grovyle is the player after time had stopped,(This stopped, (This one is debatable as you'd need to be Treecko in Red/Blue.) Red/Blue) and bands up with the Player of Explorers before he turns into a Pokémon. The reason he does so is not only to reverse time, but to also rescue his Red/Blue partner after he was trapped in time. There's also the WMG about the Western/Eastern cave. Discuss the connections you find.
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* There's also point of being able to choose gender in the Japanese version.
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so why that folder has only one example?
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* The part of same world is confirmed.
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* Confirmed with Super Mystery Dungeon. Also includes Gates.
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*Both ACT and Charm are mentioned in Super, so seemingly Confirmed.
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[[WMG: The protagonist has UsefulNotes/AspergersSyndrome.]]
The player character is an expy of [[Creator/SatoshiTajiri the Pokemon franchise creator]], so why not?
The player character is an expy of [[Creator/SatoshiTajiri the Pokemon franchise creator]], so why not?
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* Following the WMG above that protagonist in GtI doesn't return and they don't have amnesia. They might prefer to stay in human world. The protagonist only return to save the world again, but they get amnesia this time.
* [[spoiler: Hydregion seems to be familiar with you.]]
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** The Water Continent looks like the one from Gates to Infinity.
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** The Japanese website says that Super Mystery Dungeon takes place in a HighSchoolAU, or at least a school. Whether or not this means the game OVERALL is LighterAndSofter in the same way that Persona 4, a murder mystery is. is unknown.
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** The Japanese website says that Super Mystery Dungeon takes place in a HighSchoolAU, or at least a school. Whether or not this means the game OVERALL is LighterAndSofter in the same way that Persona 4, a murder mystery is. is, is unknown.
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** The Japanese website says that Super Mystery Dungeon takes place in a HighSchoolAU, or at least a school. Whether or not this means the game OVERALL is LighterAndSofter in the same way that Persona 4, a murder mystery is. is unknown.
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* Rescue team had no villains. Explorers problem was caused by Darkrai, a Pokemon. GtI was caused by Bittercold, which is not a Pokemon. There is no human villains before.
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** [[spoiler:You are actually a human villain, but managed to be defeated. As a result, you get amnesia and turned into Pokemon]]. Plus, it makes a nice call back to the Rescue Team and Explorers. [[spoiler:In rescue team you are wrongly accused as causing the disaster. Imagine if it turned out you are really the cause this time. It also draws a comparison with Darkrai, who turned good after amnesia]]. It also explained how the protagonist would disappear in the end. Maybe [[spoiler: Redemption Equals Death?]]
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** [[spoiler:You are actually a human villain, but managed to be defeated. As a result, you get amnesia and turned into Pokemon]]. Plus, it makes a nice call back to the Rescue Team and Explorers. [[spoiler:In rescue team you are wrongly accused as causing the disaster. Imagine if it turned out you are really the cause this time. It also draws a comparison with Darkrai, who turned good after amnesia]].
** It also explained how the protagonist would disappear in the end. Maybe [[spoiler:Redemption Equals Death?]]
RedemptionEqualsDeath?]]
** It also explained how the protagonist would disappear in the end. Maybe [[spoiler:
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* Alternatively, it would be DisneyDeath
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* Rescue team had no villains. Explorers problem was caused by Darkrai, a Pokemon. GtI was caused by Bittercold, which is not a Pokemon. There is no human villains before.
* To add the twist, the villain is actually [[spoiler:You]]
** [[spoiler:You are actually a human villain, but managed to be defeated. As a result, you get amnesia and turned into Pokemon]]. Plus, it makes a nice call back to the Rescue Team and Explorers. [[spoiler:In rescue team you are wrongly accused as causing the disaster. Imagine if it turned out you are really the cause this time. It also draws a comparison with Darkrai, who turned good after amnesia]]. It also explained how the protagonist would disappear in the end. Maybe [[spoiler: Redemption Equals Death?]]
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** The entire game was AllJustADream and the protagonist was in lucid dreaming. He didn't want it to end.
** Alternatively, the protagonist itself is a dream, like Tidus. Real human doesn't exist in this universe.
** The entire game was AllJustADream and the protagonist was in lucid dreaming. He didn't want it to end.
** Alternatively, the protagonist itself is a dream, like Tidus. Real human doesn't exist in this universe.
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** The entire game was AllJustADream andTaken from other WMG: the protagonist was is in lucid dreaming. He didn't want it to end.
**coma and the entire game is their DyingDream
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... the human was KilledOffForReal
* Alternatively, it would be DisneyDeath
[[WMG: This time, it will be the partner that disappear in the end]]
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[[WMG: The game will be received better than Gates to Infinity but can't top off Explorers]]
* Let's face it, PMD Explorers is a ToughActToFollow. Even if it had a beautiful graphics and improved gameplay.
* Let's face it, PMD Explorers is a ToughActToFollow. Even if it had a beautiful graphics and improved gameplay.
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[[WMG: The protagonist will disappear at the end...]]
...because it was AllJustADream
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** The entire game was AllJustADream and the protagonist was in lucid dreaming. He didn't want it to end.
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...for no reason, just like in GtI
* Human was simply summoned to solve the problems. Once they did, they will be sent back.
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To break the trend.
...because it was AllJustADream
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** The entire game was AllJustADream and the protagonist was in lucid dreaming. He didn't want it to end.
** Alternatively, the protagonist itself is a dream, like Tidus. Real human doesn't exist in this universe.
...for no reason, just like in GtI
* Human was simply summoned to solve the problems. Once they did, they will be sent back.
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To break the trend.
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However, the Link Cable is used as intended, sending the meteor to PMDverse. The meteor ended up destroyed by the native Rayquaza anyway.
[[spoiler: Note that both the meteor in the Rescue team and ORAS contained a Deoxys]]
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However, the Link Cable is used as intended, sending the meteor to PMDverse. The meteor ended up the pmdverse where it gets destroyed by the native Rayquaza anyway.
[[spoiler: Noteanyway. [[spoiler:Note that both meteors contain a Deoxys that can be obtained after the meteor in the Rescue team and ORAS contained a Deoxys]]meteor's destruction.]]
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** Confirmed for the starter Pokemon, while the rest seemly jossed by the newest game trailer. Still possible as DLC (or for the future games).
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* Jossed for Gates to Infinity (which only had Gen V mons and Pikachu) and the newest game trailer.
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* Alternatively, you're the human. So it It just worked through ThePowerOfFriendship anyway.
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[[WMG: Perfect Apples actually tasted bad ]]
It wasn't sold anywhere and Wigglytuff is the only one who likes it. Team Charm gave it to him like it was something of little value.
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[[WMG: Super will try to unite the previous PMD game into a single continuity]]
* Specifically, the Rescue Team and The Explorer. The map looked familiar.
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** Well, she could just quit sometime afterwards (we don't know how many times passed between two games) and joined Team Charm later.
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* I support this. It would be difficult for the new player who is unfamiliar with the new gen of Pokemon to remember their names, especially if they had their own nickname.
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[[WMG:The meteor in the first game is from a variant of the ORASverse]]
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[[WMG: Ghetsis is responsible for the lack of humanity.]]
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[[WMG:Humans are from parallel universes]]
In the pmdverse, humans do not evolve naturally (in the Darwinian sense). However, the pmdverse exists alongside universes in which they do eg. the main series [[spoilers:in both iterations]]. The unstable spacetime that allows for the existence of mystery dungeons allows humans and their works to cross over from their native universe to pmdverse, though this is very rare, enough for humans to be regarded as mythical among the residents of the pmdverse. While they can be summoned directly, the summoner would have to know humans exist, making it likely that the first humans in the pmdverse arrived on accident.
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However, the Link Cable is used as intended rather than Zinnia destroying it, sending the meteor to pmdverse where it (ironically) gets destroyed by the native Rayquaza anyway. [[spoiler:Note that both the meteor in the first game and the meteor in ORAS contain a Deoxys revealed after destroying it.]]
In the pmdverse, humans do not evolve naturally (in the Darwinian sense). However, the pmdverse exists alongside universes in which they do eg. the main series [[spoilers:in both iterations]]. The unstable spacetime that allows for the existence of mystery dungeons allows humans and their works to cross over from their native universe to pmdverse, though this is very rare, enough for humans to be regarded as mythical among the residents of the pmdverse. While they can be summoned directly, the summoner would have to know humans exist, making it likely that the first humans in the pmdverse arrived on accident.
[[WMG:The meteor in the first game is from a variant of the ORASverse]]
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[[WMG: The game will be received better than Gates to Infinity but can't top off Explorers]]
* Let's face it, PMD Explorers is a ToughActToFollow. Even if it had a beautiful graphics and improved gameplay.
[[WMG: Sixth gen pokemon related-to-dream will be a villain]]
* At the very least, they will be important to the plot. Let's follow the pattern : There are Gengar, Drowzee and Darkrai, and then Munna.
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Translation for those of you who don't get it: some of the Mons you fight within the game are actually Shadow Pokemon corrupted by someone (or some''thing'') somewhere for whatever reason. These are the ones that show no remorse and will mercilessly slaughter or otherwise harm anything and anyone who gets in their way (whatever "their way" even means) i.e. a non-Shadow acting the same way would be an instant CM.
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[[WMG: The unseen BiggerBad in Gates to Infinity is [[spoiler:Arceus]]]]
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*** Personally, I'mma disregard this one, okay? Nothing against you, but that just seems a little sad, and I hate that type of ending.
[[WMG: Umbreon and Espeon are [[RecruitTeenagerswithAttitude teenagers with attitude.]]]]
I mean, they seriously fit the bill in being [[Franchise/PowerRangers "overbearing and over-emotional"]]. Okay, Power Rangers jokes aside, they honestly seems a little immature. I mean really, [[spoiler: Espeon breaks down in tears over getting Swadloon involved, and]] Umbreon jumps to the conclusion beforehand that she lost the Entercards. Also, if you want to object on the grounds that they can't be teens because of how they're researchers and such, I just feel like reminding you....[[KidHero the player and partner characters are unevolved (and heavily implied to be) kids who can]] [[DidYoujustPunchoutCthulhu knock out very powerful legendaries]] [[DefeatMeansFriendship and convince them to join the team]]. I highly doubt a pair of 16-year-old archaeologists are THAT unlikely. [[note]] Then again, I'm biased toward younger heroes, so maybe not. And admittedly I don't have much evidence towards my case.[[/note]]
[[WMG: Umbreon and Espeon are [[RecruitTeenagerswithAttitude teenagers with attitude.]]]]
I mean, they seriously fit the bill in being [[Franchise/PowerRangers "overbearing and over-emotional"]]. Okay, Power Rangers jokes aside, they honestly seems a little immature. I mean really, [[spoiler: Espeon breaks down in tears over getting Swadloon involved, and]] Umbreon jumps to the conclusion beforehand that she lost the Entercards. Also, if you want to object on the grounds that they can't be teens because of how they're researchers and such, I just feel like reminding you....[[KidHero the player and partner characters are unevolved (and heavily implied to be) kids who can]] [[DidYoujustPunchoutCthulhu knock out very powerful legendaries]] [[DefeatMeansFriendship and convince them to join the team]]. I highly doubt a pair of 16-year-old archaeologists are THAT unlikely. [[note]] Then again, I'm biased toward younger heroes, so maybe not. And admittedly I don't have much evidence towards my case.[[/note]]