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[[WMG: Grandmother Willow is an ancestor of Pocahontas' family who decided to inhabit a tree after her physical death]]
* The fact that she offered support to both Pocahontas and her mother before her implies she doesn't usually converse with any people (let alone strangers from foreign lands) other than her descendants. er being a human in the distant paste makes even more sense that her wooden face mimics that of her original body on the day she passed away.

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* The fact that she offered support to both Pocahontas and her mother before her implies she doesn't usually converse with any people (let alone strangers from foreign lands) other than her descendants. er Her being a human in the distant paste makes even more sense that if her wooden face mimics that of her original body on the day she passed away.
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* The fact that she offered support to both Pocahontas and her mother before her implies she doesn't usually converse with any people (let alone strangers from foreign lands) other than her descendants.

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* * The fact that she offered support to both Pocahontas and her mother before her implies she doesn't usually converse with any people (let alone strangers from foreign lands) other than her descendants.descendants. er being a human in the distant paste makes even more sense that her wooden face mimics that of her original body on the day she passed away.
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* The fact that she offered support to both Pocahontas and her mother before her implies she doesn't usually converse with any people (let alone strangers from foreign lands) other than her descendants.

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** Leads to a little bit of fridge horror about what she would do after [[spoiler:John Smith's departure]]. Will she marry another native eventually, thus ultimately still choosing the smoothest course? Remain single forever? Spend the rest of her life waiting for John Smith to return? Try to head to England in her canoe? (The sequel does not exist in my book, so don't remind me of it.)
** No wonder her dad tried to marry her off.

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** Leads to a little bit of fridge horror about what she would do after [[spoiler:John Smith's departure]]. Will she marry another native eventually, thus ultimately still choosing the smoothest course? Remain single forever? Spend the rest of her life waiting for John Smith to return? Try to head to England in her canoe? (The sequel does not exist in my book, so don't remind me of it.)
** No wonder her dad tried to marry her off.
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** Also take into account her passive attitude when John Smith was captured. She didn't try to tell her fellow tribe members about how John Smith wasn't [[spoiler:Kocoum's murderer]] ''once'' - what reason would they have had not to believe her? She is the chief's daughter for Mufasa's sake. Any other modern Disney heroine would have stood up to her dad - like [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Jasmine]], or [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Ariel]], who outright told her father the others weren't monsters. So her passive, sorta depressed antics actually make her more of a TragicHero whose FatalFlaw is selflessness.

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** Also take into account her passive attitude when John Smith was captured. She didn't try to tell her fellow tribe members about how John Smith wasn't [[spoiler:Kocoum's murderer]] ''once'' - what reason would they have had not to believe her? She is the chief's daughter for Mufasa's sake. Any other modern Disney heroine would have stood up to her dad - like [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Aladdin}} Jasmine]], or [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid [[WesternAnimation/TheLittleMermaid1989 Ariel]], who outright told her father the others weren't monsters. So her passive, sorta depressed antics actually make her more of a TragicHero whose FatalFlaw is selflessness.



Disney didn't like the MisaimedFandom some of their previous villains got (especially [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Gaston]]), so they sought to make a villain nobody could like even in an EvilIsCool way, and they succeeded.

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* Or, a lighter theory; Thomas and the funny English guys were attacked by Ratcliff's henchmen, but escaped, and are now in hiding. Given the sillier tone of the sequel, they're probably disguised as washer women, or something equally comical.
* Or, for something equally [=WMG=]-ish, they all decided to stay behind in Virgina, since they're all cool with the Native Americans now.
** Y'know, there were some ''Pocahontas'' comics released after the first movie that show them living in Virginia (at least, Ben and Lon).

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* Or, a lighter theory; Thomas and the funny English guys were attacked by Ratcliff's henchmen, but escaped, and are now in hiding. Given the sillier tone of the sequel, they're probably disguised as washer women, washerwomen, or something equally comical.
* Or, for something equally [=WMG=]-ish, they all decided to stay behind in Virgina, Virginia, since they're all cool with the Native Americans now.
** Y'know, there were some ''Pocahontas'' comics released after the first movie that show shows them living in Virginia (at least, Ben and Lon).



* Note that Thomas is also the name of real life Pocahontas and Rolfe's only child. Given the Thomas in the movie was a good friend of Smith's, and therefore likely became one to Pocahontas herself, this may not be a coincidence.

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* Note that Thomas is also the name of real life real-life Pocahontas and Rolfe's only child. Given the Thomas in the movie was a good friend of Smith's, and therefore likely became one to Pocahontas herself, this may not be a coincidence.


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*Ratcliffe wanted King James (who was also probably gay or bi IRL) to notice him, so he could become one of his lovers and live in luxury for the rest of his life. Hence, why he named the colony Jamestown and sang about how his "Dear friend King Jimmy" would give him knighthood or lordship if he found gold and colonized America.
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* Pocahontas was desperately searching for something to make her life worth something. To mean something, essentially. And while she definitely did not appear unhappy, she also wasn't merely as cheerful or witty as any of the other Disney heroines. Now take into account that she has a very strong disregard for life-threatening risks; in the movie she jumps of an amazingly tall cliff, goes over a waterfall in a canoe, isn't afraid of an unknown (and of a, to her, unknown race) man with a weapon, takes a bear cub into her hands right in front of it's mother, attacks Kocoum who was an infinitely stronger warrior than her, and finally, puts her life on the line by placing her head on John Smith's body while her father was moments away from bashing it in. [[SelfHarm Does this remind]] [[SugarWiki/{{Depression}} you of anything]]?

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* Pocahontas was desperately searching for something to make her life worth something. To mean something, essentially. And while she definitely did not appear unhappy, she also wasn't merely as cheerful or witty as any of the other Disney heroines. Now take into account that she has a very strong disregard for life-threatening risks; in the movie she jumps of an amazingly tall cliff, goes over a waterfall in a canoe, isn't afraid of an unknown (and of a, to her, unknown race) man with a weapon, takes a bear cub into her hands right in front of it's mother, attacks Kocoum who was an infinitely stronger warrior than her, and finally, puts her life on the line by placing her head on John Smith's body while her father was moments away from bashing it in. [[SelfHarm Does this remind]] [[SugarWiki/{{Depression}} [[UsefulNotes/{{Depression}} you of anything]]?


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{{WMG: Ratcliffe was [[IntendedAudienceReaction intentionally a pathetic villain]].]]
Disney didn't like the MisaimedFandom some of their previous villains got (especially [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Gaston]]), so they sought to make a villain nobody could like even in an EvilIsCool way, and they succeeded.
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* Pocahontas was desperately searching for something to make her life worth something. To mean something, essentially. And while she definitely did not appear unhappy, she also wasn't merely as cheerful or witty as any of the other Disney heroines. Now take into account that she has a very strong disregard for life-threatening risks; in the movie she jumps of an amazingly tall cliff, goes over a waterfall in a canoe, isn't afraid of an unknown (and of a, to her, unknown race) man with a weapon, takes a bear cub into her hands right in front of it's mother, attacks Kocoum who was an infinitely stronger warrior than her, and finally, puts her life on the line by placing her head on John Smith's body while her father was moments away from bashing it in. [[SelfHarm Does this remind]] [[{{Depression}} you of anything]]?

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* Pocahontas was desperately searching for something to make her life worth something. To mean something, essentially. And while she definitely did not appear unhappy, she also wasn't merely as cheerful or witty as any of the other Disney heroines. Now take into account that she has a very strong disregard for life-threatening risks; in the movie she jumps of an amazingly tall cliff, goes over a waterfall in a canoe, isn't afraid of an unknown (and of a, to her, unknown race) man with a weapon, takes a bear cub into her hands right in front of it's mother, attacks Kocoum who was an infinitely stronger warrior than her, and finally, puts her life on the line by placing her head on John Smith's body while her father was moments away from bashing it in. [[SelfHarm Does this remind]] [[{{Depression}} [[SugarWiki/{{Depression}} you of anything]]?
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* Pocahontas was desperately searching for something to make her life worth something. To mean something, essentially. And while she definitely did not appear unhappy, she also wasn't merely as cheerful or witty as any of the other Disney heroines. Now take into account that she has a very strong disregard for life-threatening risks; in the movie she jumps of an amazingly tall cliff, goes over a waterfall in a canoe, isn't afraid of an unknown (and of a, to her, unknown race) men with a weapon, takes a bear cub into her hands right in front of it's mother, attacks Kocoum who was an infinitely stronger warrior than her, and finally, puts her life on the line by placing her head on John Smith's body while her father was moments away from bashing it in. [[SelfHarm Does this remind]] [[{{Depression}} you of anything]]?

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* Pocahontas was desperately searching for something to make her life worth something. To mean something, essentially. And while she definitely did not appear unhappy, she also wasn't merely as cheerful or witty as any of the other Disney heroines. Now take into account that she has a very strong disregard for life-threatening risks; in the movie she jumps of an amazingly tall cliff, goes over a waterfall in a canoe, isn't afraid of an unknown (and of a, to her, unknown race) men man with a weapon, takes a bear cub into her hands right in front of it's mother, attacks Kocoum who was an infinitely stronger warrior than her, and finally, puts her life on the line by placing her head on John Smith's body while her father was moments away from bashing it in. [[SelfHarm Does this remind]] [[{{Depression}} you of anything]]?
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Pocahontas can't know what a gun exactly is/does is as she can't ever have seen or heard of one before. We can assume she understands that he can somehow use it as a weapon (if only, to beat her with it).


* Pocahontas was desperately searching for something to make her life worth something. To mean something, essentially. And while she definitely did not appear unhappy, she also wasn't merely as cheerful or witty as any of the other Disney heroines. Now take into account that she has a very strong disregard for life-threatening risks; in the movie she jumps of an amazingly tall cliff, goes over a waterfall in a canoe, approaches a white man with a gun (plus, she doesn't as much as tremble when he points it at her), takes a bear cub into her hands right in front of it's mother, attacks Kocoum who was an infinitely stronger warrior than her, and finally, puts her life on the line by placing her head on John Smith's body while her father was moments away from bashing it in. [[SelfHarm Does this remind]] [[{{Depression}} you of anything]]?

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* Pocahontas was desperately searching for something to make her life worth something. To mean something, essentially. And while she definitely did not appear unhappy, she also wasn't merely as cheerful or witty as any of the other Disney heroines. Now take into account that she has a very strong disregard for life-threatening risks; in the movie she jumps of an amazingly tall cliff, goes over a waterfall in a canoe, approaches a white man isn't afraid of an unknown (and of a, to her, unknown race) men with a gun (plus, she doesn't as much as tremble when he points it at her), weapon, takes a bear cub into her hands right in front of it's mother, attacks Kocoum who was an infinitely stronger warrior than her, and finally, puts her life on the line by placing her head on John Smith's body while her father was moments away from bashing it in. [[SelfHarm Does this remind]] [[{{Depression}} you of anything]]?
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* Pocahontas was desperately searching for something to make her life worth something. To mean something, essentially. And while she definitely did not appear unhappy, she also wasn't merely as cheerful or witty as any of the other Disney heroines. Now take into account that she has a very strong disregard for life-threatening risks; in the movie she jumps of an amazingly tall cliff, goes over a waterfall in a canoo, approaches a white man with a gun (plus, she doesn't as much as tremble when he points it at her), takes a bear cub into her hands right in front of it's mother, attacks Kocoum who was an infinitely stronger warrior than her, and finally, puts her life on the line by placing her head on John Smith's body while her father was moments away from bashing it in. [[SelfHarm Does this remind]] [[{{Depression}} you of anything]]?

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* Pocahontas was desperately searching for something to make her life worth something. To mean something, essentially. And while she definitely did not appear unhappy, she also wasn't merely as cheerful or witty as any of the other Disney heroines. Now take into account that she has a very strong disregard for life-threatening risks; in the movie she jumps of an amazingly tall cliff, goes over a waterfall in a canoo, canoe, approaches a white man with a gun (plus, she doesn't as much as tremble when he points it at her), takes a bear cub into her hands right in front of it's mother, attacks Kocoum who was an infinitely stronger warrior than her, and finally, puts her life on the line by placing her head on John Smith's body while her father was moments away from bashing it in. [[SelfHarm Does this remind]] [[{{Depression}} you of anything]]?



** Leads to a little bit of fridge horror about what she would do after [[spoiler:John Smith's departure]]. Will she marry another native eventually, thus ultimately still choosing the smoothest course? Remain single forever? Spend the rest of her life waiting for John Smith to return? Try to head to England in her canoo? (The sequel does not exist in my book, so don't remind me of it.)

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** Leads to a little bit of fridge horror about what she would do after [[spoiler:John Smith's departure]]. Will she marry another native eventually, thus ultimately still choosing the smoothest course? Remain single forever? Spend the rest of her life waiting for John Smith to return? Try to head to England in her canoo? canoe? (The sequel does not exist in my book, so don't remind me of it.)
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*** Ratcliffe explicitly mentions "the gold of Cortés" - but the real Cortés found silver, not gold; so as far as this troper is concerned, the name drop points further toward the alt history theory.
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Yes, Meeko represents the English, and Percy the natives. It would sure play nicely with the GreyandGrayMorality theme of the movie.

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Yes, Meeko represents the English, and Percy the natives. It would sure play nicely with the GreyandGrayMorality GreyAndGrayMorality theme of the movie.



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** I'm no expert, but I'm fairly sure that Indian chiefs used a system of hereditary leadership, similar to a monarchy. Seeing that Pocahontas is the daughter of the chief, she'd be next in line to be chief.
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[[WMG: Pocahontas is part Tamaranian.]]
*Tamaranians learn language through touch. The fastest way for a Tamaranian to learn a language is by kissing a native speaker.
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[[WMG: [[CanonDiscontinuity Ignoring the sequel]], ''Pocahontas'' as a whole takes place in a universe where the English settlers never did settle in Virginia.]]
* Think about it. The sole motivation for Ratcliffe's journey to the New World was the possible discovery of gold. As there was absolutely none there, the settlers decided to return (I mean really, were they going to stay behind under the fine leadership of [[RebelLeader ''Thomas'']], a 19-year old?) and report to the King of England that there was no reason for them to take the land of the indians.

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[[WMG: [[CanonDiscontinuity Ignoring the sequel]], ''Pocahontas'' as a whole takes place in a universe where [[AlternateHistory the English settlers never did settle in Virginia.Virginia]].]]
* Think about it. The sole motivation for Ratcliffe's journey to the New World was the possible discovery of gold. As there was absolutely none there, the settlers decided to return (I mean really, were they going to stay behind under the fine leadership of [[RebelLeader ''Thomas'']], ''[[RebelLeader Thomas]]'', a 19-year old?) and report to the King of England that there was no reason for them to take the land of the indians.
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[[WMG: Wiggins is an elf.]]
* He has unusually pointy ears, a trait that none of the other characters in the film have. In a film with Grandma Willow's magic and Pocahontas possibly being a shaman, Wiggins being an elf wouldn't be ''too'' odd.

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This WMG is only for the fictional depictions of UsefulNotes/{{Pocahontas}}. Please refrain any "{{Jossed}} in RealLife" instances.



** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smith_%28explorer%29#New_England In real life, though...]]

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** %%** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smith_%28explorer%29#New_England In real life, though...]]
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[[WMG: John Rolfe and Pocahontas would name their child in honor of Thomas from the first movie.]]
* Note that Thomas is also the name of real life Pocahontas and Rolfe's only child. Given the Thomas in the movie was a good friend of Smith's, and therefore likely became one to Pocahontas herself, this may not be a coincidence.
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** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smith_%28explorer%29#New_England In real life, though...]]

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* It explains why the "Virginia" in this universe has mountains along its coast when the real-life Virginia coast is flat and swampy.


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*In only 400 years? It would take hundreds just to whittle the mountains down to, at most, a few small hills; it would take thousands (if not ''millions'') for it to heal into anything resembling Virginia's Tidewater region.
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[[WMG: How Radcliffe ended up being Captain Hook !]]

When you look at Governor Radcliffe and Captain Hook, you can't help but finding them very similar. Random resemblance ? Maybe. Maybe not. The theory:

Radcliffe was put in jail after the events of the 2nd movie, fed with literally only dry bread and water. That's when he got rid of all that fat that distinguishes him from Hook. Then he learns, maybe in a Count of Monte-Cristo way (a.k.a. from an old prisoner) the existence of Neverland, the land where you never age, that can only be reached by flying in a boat. Of course at first Radcliffe doesn't believe it, but the Old Prisoner has got a pack of pixie dust that convinces him even more (given his passion for anything golden).

He finds himself master of ship. Alternately, he is released and uses his ancient experience of sailing to convince someone of letting him hire a boat; or he escapes and steals one; or he is released but taken at a very low grade on a boat, and rebels. After a few years as a pirate, in which he gains a quite deserved fame, using the pixie dust from the Old Prisoner and a map that the Prisoner conveniently gave him, he flies to Neverland. There, he finds Tinker Bell, a pixie wandering on the seashore. He captures her and threatens to torture her to know "where the rest of this golden powder is". A young cabin boy, Peter, rebels against this ruthless ways and eventually finds himself fighting Radcliffe. He cuts off his hand, accidentally but without regretting it much. He then throws it to the Tick-Tock-Crocodile.

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** At the end of the movie, some English settlers are shown standing on the shore amongst the natives as the ship leaves.
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don\'t think she\'s adorkable


* They'd make an awesome BetaCouple. And with [[spoiler:Kocoum, Nakoma's only love interest, deceased]]. Also, they're both {{Adorkable}} and the best friend of the protagonists (in Thomas' case, the closest thing to a best friend to loner John Smith).

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* They'd make an awesome BetaCouple. And with [[spoiler:Kocoum, Nakoma's only love interest, deceased]]. Also, they're both {{Adorkable}} and the best friend of the protagonists (in Thomas' case, the closest thing to a best friend to loner John Smith).
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\n* If John Smith returns to the colony and marries Pocahontas, Nakoma and Thomas can bond over endlessly rolling their eyes as their [=BFFs=] jump off of cliffs and sing songs about the beauty of nature together. Eventually, they fall in love.

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