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[[WMG: Building on the previous, Celestia chose to retire in Season 9 in an attempt to forestall Daybreaker from breaking out and causing massive amounts of havoc.]]
That Daybreaker could exist and the potential devastation she could inflict on her little ponies terrifies Celestia. A voluntary relinquishing of power and authority would be quite the screw-you to the power-mad, I-need-no-one-else Daybreaker. Luna accompanys her to act as an outside guide to help keep Daybreaker at bay, the [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Sam to Celestia's Frodo]]. Of course, Daybreaker isn't likely to take that sort of thing lying down...

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This is simply so far in the future that the humanity has died out. Either the Ponies evolved on their own, or the rest of the Unicorns eventually became them (with Amalthea somehow only becoming more powerful because of her experiences in love and loss.) Going along with this, Starswirl the Bearded could've been Shmendrick, who managed to turn himself into a unicorn eventually (who knows, maybe he's still around during the show's time). Sometime, one of the Mane Six will ask Celestia why she never dates. She, uncharacteristically grave, will gaze whistfully into the distance and remark "I loved once, I shall never love again." They might even hear her whisper the name "Lir," while a solitary tear rolls down her cheek. To compound the reference, at one point, Angel bunny will write a novel.
"She will remember your heart when Men are fairy tales and books written by Rabbits."

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This is simply so far in the future that the humanity has died out. Either the Ponies evolved on their own, or the rest of the Unicorns eventually became them (with Amalthea somehow only becoming more powerful because of her experiences in love and loss.) Going along with this, Starswirl the Bearded could've been Shmendrick, who managed to turn himself into a unicorn eventually (who knows, maybe he's still around during the show's time). Sometime, one of the Mane Six will ask Celestia why she never dates. She, uncharacteristically grave, will gaze whistfully wistfully into the distance and remark "I loved once, I shall never love again." They might even hear her whisper the name "Lir," while a solitary tear rolls down her cheek. To compound the reference, at one point, Angel bunny Bunny will write a novel.
"She -->"She will remember your heart when Men are fairy tales and books written by Rabbits."



I'm not sure if this is the correct page to put this guess on, and its actually a theory that is several different guesses that are related. Any way, here it is. As Discord is obviously an ancient and powerful god of chaos it only makes sense that there is a god/goddess of order called harmony. Earth's management of seasons and weather ect. seem somewhere between Celestia's rule and what happened when Discord broke free so it only makes sense that things are supposed to work on a balance between chaos and order. So in the beginning Discord and Harmony governed the world together, and there was balance, so things were much as they are on Earth. Eventually Discord defeated Harmony and attempted to destroy her, but as she was a Goddess she couldn't be destroyed completely and she lived on in the Elements of Harmony. This is alluded to when Nightmare Moon attempts to destroy the elements, but they live on in the mane cast.

So anyway, now that Discord was in control things were even more chaotic than they where in the Return of Harmony, but still nature processes went on, just without any logic. Things really sucked and so the world needed to be saved. Discord heard somesort of prophesy that it would be an Alicorn who would defeat him, so he tried to kill all the Alicorns, but somehow Luna and Celestia survived the genocide. Together with a group of four other friends they found the elements of harmony and turned Discord to stone to avenge the alicorns.

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I'm not sure if this is the correct page to put this guess on, and its actually a theory that is several different guesses that are related. Any way, here it is. As Discord is obviously an ancient and powerful god of chaos it only makes sense that there is a god/goddess of order called harmony. Earth's management of seasons and weather ect.etc. seem somewhere between Celestia's rule and what happened when Discord broke free so it only makes sense that things are supposed to work on a balance between chaos and order. So in the beginning Discord and Harmony governed the world together, and there was balance, so things were much as they are on Earth. Eventually Discord defeated Harmony and attempted to destroy her, but as she was a Goddess she couldn't be destroyed completely and she lived on in the Elements of Harmony. This is alluded to when Nightmare Moon attempts to destroy the elements, but they live on in the mane cast.

So anyway, now that Discord was in control things were even more chaotic than they where in the Return of Harmony, but still nature processes went on, just without any logic. Things really sucked and so the world needed to be saved. Discord heard somesort some sort of prophesy prophecy that it would be an Alicorn who would defeat him, so he tried to kill all the Alicorns, [[NiceJobBreakingItHerod but somehow Luna and Celestia survived the genocide.genocide]]. Together with a group of four other friends they found the elements of harmony and turned Discord to stone to avenge the alicorns.



[[WMG: Celestria and Luna are not responsible for raising the Sun and Moon....]]
....they are instead responsible for rotating the planet; assuming the sun is still 1.3 million times the size of the planet, it's a less impressive feat than actually moving the sun, but still godlike. This is the ONLY power ANY of the ponies have that are far reaching outside of Equesteria if the previous {{WMG}}s above are correct, with Celestria being forced to do double duty after Luna was imprisoned during her FaceHeelTurn.

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[[WMG: Celestria Celestia and Luna are not responsible for raising the Sun and Moon....]]
....they are instead responsible for rotating the planet; assuming the sun is still 1.3 million times the size of the planet, it's a less impressive feat than actually moving the sun, but still godlike. This is the ONLY power ANY of the ponies have that are far reaching outside of Equesteria if the previous {{WMG}}s above are correct, with Celestria Celestia being forced to do double duty after Luna was imprisoned during her FaceHeelTurn.


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Once affirmed in her role as Princess of Equestria (Cadance's role and Twilight's up to now are not quite the same thing), a pony will not die of old age before she has a chance to find a worthy successor. Things like Luna turning into Nightmare Moon and being absent for a thousand years set the schedule back and allowed Celestia and Luna to live an unnaturally long time, even for alicorns. Once Celestia and Luna retire, Twilight and the rest of the Mane Six will be functionally immortal until they can find heirs.

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[[WMG: Part of the reason Celestia arranged the Mane Cast to attend the Gala was to have geuninely good people there]]

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[[WMG: The Royal Sisters' longevity is related to their role as Princesses.]]
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** For a slightly different take on this assume that Celestia and Luna can do anything any of their subjects can do, except better, and that the corrupting influence could only twist Luna so far and had to pick its battles. The first means that they are [[{{Seers}} precognitive]] (since Pinkie Pie is) to a degree, and the second means that Luna was planning to keep all the ponies alive with magic when the food ran out (a task even her massive magical abilities would probably be insufficient to). Thus Luna/Nightmare Moon wanted to WIN, but she didn't ''per se'' want to kill anyone. Humbling an enemy before you in a submission they won't renege on is a more perfect victory than simply killing them. Luna had JUST enough doubt about the plan that the question she was asking her precognitive abilities when choosing between a wide variety of potential approaches was always "When this is all over, will I feel happiest on this specific course?", rather than "Will I win?". She used superior judgement to eliminate the possibility of a hollow victory, but since her precognition was seeking out a [[ExactWords very specific fact]], rather than showing a broad picture, it gave misleading results. She probably recognized that she was creating a PlotTailoredToTheParty but assumed that it was going to end with Twilight FAILING to summon the sixth element. Even when they charged eachother, Nightmare Moon was planning on going for a leg to cripple, while Twilight's own horn would have been either parried, or bounced off her magically defenses or [[PhysicalGod goddess-tough]] skin harmlessly. She was so sure she had achieved check-mate when she smashed the element-stones (possibly despite knowing it didn't actually stop the elements from being activated, since she knew that TWILIGHT didn't know that) that the arrival of the other five ponies and the activation of all six elements, combined with the "illogical" information ("You will be happier if you don't teleport away.", "You will be happier if you don't spear the purple one through the jugular.", etc) she was getting from her precognition that she suffered a brainlock that resulted in her just standing around while it happened. Then Celestia returns and offers her back everything she had lost when she was banished to the moon. All as Celestia's own precognition had predicted. So basically, it wasn't JUST a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming... it was a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming AND the sort of [[BatmanGambit brilliant strategy]] you would expect from a ruler with many centuries, if not several millennia, of experience.

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** For a slightly different take on this assume that Celestia and Luna can do anything any of their subjects can do, except better, and that the corrupting influence could only twist Luna so far and had to pick its battles. The first means that they are [[{{Seers}} precognitive]] (since Pinkie Pie is) to a degree, and the second means that Luna was planning to keep all the ponies alive with magic when the food ran out (a task even her massive magical abilities would probably be insufficient to). Thus Luna/Nightmare Moon wanted to WIN, but she didn't ''per se'' want to kill anyone. Humbling an enemy before you in a submission they won't renege on is a more perfect victory than simply killing them. Luna had JUST enough doubt about the plan that the question she was asking her precognitive abilities when choosing between a wide variety of potential approaches was always "When this is all over, will I feel happiest on this specific course?", rather than "Will I win?". She used superior judgement to eliminate the possibility of a hollow victory, but since her precognition was seeking out a [[ExactWords very specific fact]], rather than showing a broad picture, it gave misleading results. She probably recognized that she was creating a PlotTailoredToTheParty but assumed that it was going to end with Twilight FAILING to summon the sixth element. Even when they charged eachother, Nightmare Moon was planning on going for a leg to cripple, while Twilight's own horn would have been either parried, or bounced off her magically defenses or [[PhysicalGod goddess-tough]] skin harmlessly. She was so sure she had achieved check-mate when she smashed the element-stones (possibly despite knowing it didn't actually stop the elements from being activated, since she knew that TWILIGHT didn't know that) that the arrival of the other five ponies and the activation of all six elements, combined with the "illogical" information ("You will be happier if you don't teleport away.", "You will be happier if you don't spear the purple one through the jugular.", etc) she was getting from her precognition that she suffered a brainlock that resulted in her just standing around while it happened. Then Celestia returns and offers her back everything she had lost when she was banished to the moon. All as Celestia's own precognition had predicted. So basically, it wasn't JUST a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming... SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}... it was a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming one AND the sort of [[BatmanGambit brilliant strategy]] you would expect from a ruler with many centuries, if not several millennia, of experience.



** The reason we have never heard of her until now is because the Princess Sisters have kept her a secret her whole life out of fear that something might happen to her. Eventually, Cadance gets tired of being sheltered and locked away in a castle and decides to escape. over her journey, she meets the Mane Six, some freaky monsters, and of course, Shining Armor. They fall in love, Celestia finds out, freaks out, but eventually realizes that her daughter is a fully-grown mare now and she needs to live her own life and all that good stuff. And [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming we]] [[TearJerker will]] [[ManlyTears cry.]]

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** The reason we have never heard of her until now is because the Princess Sisters have kept her a secret her whole life out of fear that something might happen to her. Eventually, Cadance gets tired of being sheltered and locked away in a castle and decides to escape. over her journey, she meets the Mane Six, some freaky monsters, and of course, Shining Armor. They fall in love, Celestia finds out, freaks out, but eventually realizes that her daughter is a fully-grown mare now and she needs to live her own life and all that good stuff. And [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments we]] [[TearJerker will]] [[ManlyTears cry.]]
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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are the [[KingdomHearts Nobody and Heartless]], respectively, of Equestria's true ruler.]]

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[[WMG: Celestia and Luna are the [[KingdomHearts [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Nobody and Heartless]], respectively, of Equestria's true ruler.]]



* Luna, while retaining true sentience because of the original being's extremely strong heart, is driven by pure emotion and desire in the same way that Xehanort's Heartless in [[KingdomHearts KH1]] was. In this case, her desire is simply to win the Hearts of all of Equestria by having them celebrate the Night and Darkness which she now embodies. When that fails, she declares war and Celestia seals her away in the moon.

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* Luna, while retaining true sentience because of the original being's extremely strong heart, is driven by pure emotion and desire in the same way that Xehanort's Heartless in [[KingdomHearts KH1]] [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI KHI]] was. In this case, her desire is simply to win the Hearts of all of Equestria by having them celebrate the Night and Darkness which she now embodies. When that fails, she declares war and Celestia seals her away in the moon.
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* This is quite definitely jossed, given that Starswirl was Luna's and Celestia's teacher.



[[WMG: Luna's appearance changes between season 1 and season 2 because she has "phases," just like the moon]]

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* Assuming a heliocentric solar system like the one in the real world. All things considered, the way the sun and moon are shown in the show makes a geocentric system far more likely.



[[WMG: Luna's forming her own ieam in case the Element holders are corrupted.]]

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[[WMG: Luna's forming her own ieam team in case the Element holders are corrupted.]]



[[WMG: Alternatively, the Moon colony is real, and the incredibly popular fan animation "Children of the Night is right...]]

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[[WMG: Alternatively, the Moon colony is real, and the incredibly popular fan animation "Children of the Night Night" is right...]]



[[WMG: The Reason We Never See Celestia and Luna's Parents is because of Copyright Laws (spoilers for Webcomic/YuMeDream)]]

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[[WMG: The Reason We Never See reason we bever see Celestia and Luna's Parents parents is because of Copyright Laws copyright laws (spoilers for Webcomic/YuMeDream)]]



[[WMG: Both Princesses are Horses, Not Ponies]]

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[[WMG: Both Princesses princesses are Horses, Not Ponies]]horses, not ponies]]



Celestia=Laughter Luna=Kindness
* Since there were only two of them, shouldn't they each get three? Celestia= Laughter, Honesty and Magic Luna= Kindness, Honesty and Loyalty?

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Celestia = Laughter Luna = Kindness
* Since there were only two of them, shouldn't they each get three? Celestia= Celestia = Laughter, Honesty and Magic Luna= Magic; Luna = Kindness, Honesty and Loyalty?



** One WMG somewhere listed the princesses as keepers of the EOH, joined by a Griffon, an Ursa Major, a dragon, and ''Discord''.
* I'm under the theory that Luna is Magic(Friendship), and there are four others for the other elements. This is mostly because Magic couldn't be found until Nightmare Moon was released from the Moon, and the fact that she turned evil because nobody would stay up and be her friend.

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** One WMG somewhere listed the princesses as keepers of the EOH, joined by a Griffon, griffon, an Ursa Major, ursa major, a dragon, and ''Discord''.
* I'm under the theory that Luna is Magic(Friendship), Magic (Friendship), and there are four others for the other elements. This is mostly because Magic couldn't be found until Nightmare Moon was released from the Moon, and the fact that she turned evil because nobody would stay up and be her friend.
* Their associated elements were shown in the second flashback in "Princess Twilight Sparkle": Celestia had Magic, Kindness and Generosity; Luna had Laughter, Honesty and Loyalty... which makes her later betrayal all the more ironic.



* Their parents were a unicorn and a pegasus. Two of their grandparents were Earth ponies. While normally they'd be one or the other, some genetic mutation caused them to become Alicorns. Since all ponies are capable of using magic (with unicorns the only ones who can control it directly) this gave them extra magical power. At some point they found a magical fruit that drastically increased the power, and even made them immortal. They decided to use this newfound power to defeat Discord and take over as rulers of Equestria.

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* Their parents were a unicorn and a pegasus. Two of their grandparents were Earth ponies. While normally they'd be one or the other, some genetic mutation caused them to become Alicorns. Since all ponies are capable of using magic (with unicorns the only ones who can control it directly) this gave them extra magical power. At some point they found a magical fruit that drastically increased the power, and even made them immortal. They decided to use this newfound power to defeat Discord and take over as rulers of Equestria.



* Seriously, this was posted because the people over at the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' Wiki seemed to jump to conclusions too quickly about Discord actually being Equestria's former ruler.

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* Seriously, this was posted because the people over at the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' Wiki wiki seemed to jump to conclusions too quickly about Discord actually being Equestria's former ruler.



[[WMG: The Princesses have two "selves" One to appear more regal, and their true form]]

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[[WMG: the power of love in equestria.]]
to me it seems logical that when shining armor and princess cadance get married the power of love will:
* transform him into an alicorn.
* render him immortal.
* turn the princess mortal via turning her into another type of pony.

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[[WMG: the The power of love in equestria.Equestria.]]
to To me it seems logical that when shining armor Shining Armor and princess cadance Princess Cadance get married the power of love will:
* transform Transform him into an alicorn.
* render Render him immortal.
* turn Turn the princess mortal via turning her into another type of pony.
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** For a slightly different take on this assume that Celestia and Luna can do anything any of their subjects can do, except better, and that the corrupting influence could only twist Luna so far and had to pick its battles. The first means that they are [[{{Seers}} precognitive]] (since Pinkie Pie is) to a degree, and the second means that Luna was planning to keep all the ponies alive with magic when the food ran out (a task even her massive magical abilities would probably be insufficient to). Thus Luna/Nightmare Moon wanted to WIN, but she didn't ''per se'' want to kill anyone. Humbling an enemy before you in a submission they won't renege on is a more perfect victory than simply killing them. Luna had JUST enough doubt about the plan that the question she was asking her precognitive abilities when choosing between a wide variety of potential approaches was always "When this is all over, will I feel happiest on this specific course?", rather than "Will I win?". She used superior judgement to eliminate the possibility of a hollow victory, but since her precognition was seeking out a [[ExactWords very specific fact]], rather than showing a broad picture, it gave misleading results. She probably recognized that she was creating a PlotTailoredToTheParty but assumed that it was going to end with Twilight FAILING to summon the sixth element. Even when they charged eachother, Nightmare Moon was planning on going for a leg to cripple, while Twilight's own horn would have been either parried, or bounced off her magically defenses or [[PhysicalGod goddess-tough]] skin harmlessly. She was so sure she had achieved check-mate when she smashed the element-stones (possibly despite knowing it didn't actually stop the elements from being activated, since she knew that TWILIGHT didn't know that) that the arrival of the other five ponies and the activation of all six elements, combined with the "illogical" information ("You will be happier if you don't teleport away.", "You will be happier if you don't spear the purple one through the jugular.", etc) she was getting from her precognition that she suffered a brainlock that resulted in her just standing around while it happened. Then Celestia returns and offers her back everything she had lost when she was banished to the moon. All as Celestia's own precognition had predicted. So basically, it wasn't JUST a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming... it was a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming AND the sort of [[BatmanGambit brilliant strategy]] you would expect from a [[MagnificentBastard ruler with many centuries, if not several millennia, of experience]].

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** For a slightly different take on this assume that Celestia and Luna can do anything any of their subjects can do, except better, and that the corrupting influence could only twist Luna so far and had to pick its battles. The first means that they are [[{{Seers}} precognitive]] (since Pinkie Pie is) to a degree, and the second means that Luna was planning to keep all the ponies alive with magic when the food ran out (a task even her massive magical abilities would probably be insufficient to). Thus Luna/Nightmare Moon wanted to WIN, but she didn't ''per se'' want to kill anyone. Humbling an enemy before you in a submission they won't renege on is a more perfect victory than simply killing them. Luna had JUST enough doubt about the plan that the question she was asking her precognitive abilities when choosing between a wide variety of potential approaches was always "When this is all over, will I feel happiest on this specific course?", rather than "Will I win?". She used superior judgement to eliminate the possibility of a hollow victory, but since her precognition was seeking out a [[ExactWords very specific fact]], rather than showing a broad picture, it gave misleading results. She probably recognized that she was creating a PlotTailoredToTheParty but assumed that it was going to end with Twilight FAILING to summon the sixth element. Even when they charged eachother, Nightmare Moon was planning on going for a leg to cripple, while Twilight's own horn would have been either parried, or bounced off her magically defenses or [[PhysicalGod goddess-tough]] skin harmlessly. She was so sure she had achieved check-mate when she smashed the element-stones (possibly despite knowing it didn't actually stop the elements from being activated, since she knew that TWILIGHT didn't know that) that the arrival of the other five ponies and the activation of all six elements, combined with the "illogical" information ("You will be happier if you don't teleport away.", "You will be happier if you don't spear the purple one through the jugular.", etc) she was getting from her precognition that she suffered a brainlock that resulted in her just standing around while it happened. Then Celestia returns and offers her back everything she had lost when she was banished to the moon. All as Celestia's own precognition had predicted. So basically, it wasn't JUST a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming... it was a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming AND the sort of [[BatmanGambit brilliant strategy]] you would expect from a [[MagnificentBastard ruler with many centuries, if not several millennia, of experience]].
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His skill with force fields is such that he can use them to create any 3D shape, not just spheres, much like the GreenLanternCorps and [[Franchise/FantasticFour Sue Storm]].

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[[WMG: Daybreaker will be the final villain of the series.]]
The first villain of the series was Nightmare Moon (the corrupted version of Celestia's sister), so it would bookend the series nicely to have the corrupted version of Celestia as the final villain. In addition, it seems unlikely that the writers would introduce the evil version of the series' Big Good, only to have her appear only once in a dream sequence.
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Related to the WMG above that Celestia is grooming Twilight to be her successor, but different. After all, why would an immortal [[GodEmperor Goddess-Princess]] need a successor? Besides which, if Celestia has no foals of her own, her legal heir would be her younger sister, Luna. No, she's training Twilight to someday hold an important political position at court: [[ASongOfIceAndFire Hoof of the Princess]]. Think about it: at the premiere social event of Equestrian society, Celestia kept Twilight at her side all night while all the other guests ''made their obeisances''. That's basically a declaration to the entire aristocracy of Equestria that they should get used to the idea of bowing to Twilight Sparkle. Also, Celestia didn't just send Twilight out to make friends just so that Twilight would be happier; she wanted Twilight to learn how to recruit political allies. And why Ponyville? It's a place where the previously sheltered Twilight could learn more about the lives of pony commoners. And what has Twilight been learning? How to manage and govern ponies. Just look at the events of "Winter Wrap-Up".

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Related to the WMG above that Celestia is grooming Twilight to be her successor, but different. After all, why would an immortal [[GodEmperor Goddess-Princess]] need a successor? Besides which, if Celestia has no foals of her own, her legal heir would be her younger sister, Luna. No, she's training Twilight to someday hold an important political position at court: [[ASongOfIceAndFire [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire Hoof of the Princess]]. Think about it: at the premiere social event of Equestrian society, Celestia kept Twilight at her side all night while all the other guests ''made their obeisances''. That's basically a declaration to the entire aristocracy of Equestria that they should get used to the idea of bowing to Twilight Sparkle. Also, Celestia didn't just send Twilight out to make friends just so that Twilight would be happier; she wanted Twilight to learn how to recruit political allies. And why Ponyville? It's a place where the previously sheltered Twilight could learn more about the lives of pony commoners. And what has Twilight been learning? How to manage and govern ponies. Just look at the events of "Winter Wrap-Up".
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[[WMG: Nightmare Moon banished Luna, not Celestia]]
Nightmare Moon was born of Luna's negative feelings (mostly jealousy), right? So, Nightmare Moon is kind of parasitic and needed Luna's body to exist. My theory is when Celestia used the elements on Luna, the elements would've split and only banished Nightmare Moon, but they were weak enough to be overpowered since they were short one bearer. So, Nightmare Moon took Luna with her instead of letting herself be split from Luna. That would make it a bittersweet victory of a sort. She was banished, but she had what Celestia loved most. Since she clearly was aiming to kill Celestia, taking what mattered most to her was the next best thing until she could try to conquer Equestria again.
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[[WMG: Nightmare Moon banished Luna, not Celestia]]
Nightmare Moon was born of Luna's negative feelings (mostly jealousy), right? So, Nightmare Moon is kind of parasitic and needed Luna's body to exist. My theory is when Celestia used the elements on Luna, the elements would've split and only banished Nightmare Moon, but they were weak enough to be overpowered since they were short one bearer. So, Nightmare Moon took Luna with her instead of letting herself be split from Luna. That would make it a bittersweet victory of a sort. She was banished, but she had what Celestia loved most. Since she clearly was aiming to kill Celestia, taking what mattered most to her was the next best thing until she could try to conquer Equestria again.
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His army buddies, and they'll exemplify the tropes of TheUnit. He'll have a creative armor-crafting or gadget-guy unicorn, a close to the earth drill-sergeant type earth pony, a somewhat-unbalanced and shell-shocked Rambo-type who likes to appear suddenly from cover and favors ambushes, a brash and cocky ChuckYeager air support pegasus, and a dependable but shy support flyer who will be a GentleGiant. Shining Armor himself takes his sister's role as the leader and spellcaster, and his buddies give him flack for overplanning things and going by the book.

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His army buddies, and they'll exemplify the tropes of TheUnit.Series/TheUnit. He'll have a creative armor-crafting or gadget-guy unicorn, a close to the earth drill-sergeant type earth pony, a somewhat-unbalanced and shell-shocked Rambo-type who likes to appear suddenly from cover and favors ambushes, a brash and cocky ChuckYeager air support pegasus, and a dependable but shy support flyer who will be a GentleGiant. Shining Armor himself takes his sister's role as the leader and spellcaster, and his buddies give him flack for overplanning things and going by the book.
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Celestia can order some [[ThePowerOfTheSun sunlight]] [[KillSat to redirect itself onto an enemy]]. Of course, she probably has to be in space to ask personally enough, and might need a ground-based spotter. One of her less known titles (in fact deliberately covered up for strategic and diplomatic reasons a while after the time she granted it to herself) is [[GearsOfWar Hammer of Dawn]]. Luna herself is known as "The Lunar Lance" although nothing has ever come up where she found it necessary to drop a shooting star on anything in anger. Even when she was Nightmare Moon, she wanted to RULE, and thus collateral damage was undesirable. She was too demented to fully realize that no sunlight would condemn the world to death by starvation since crops couldn't grow. Both receive cooperation from their brother, Abyss, Lord of the Seaponies in that he clears out enough deep ocean of fish and such for them to do a little target practice with their respective weapons.

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Celestia can order some [[ThePowerOfTheSun sunlight]] [[KillSat to redirect itself onto an enemy]]. Of course, she probably has to be in space to ask personally enough, and might need a ground-based spotter. One of her less known titles (in fact deliberately covered up for strategic and diplomatic reasons a while after the time she granted it to herself) is [[GearsOfWar [[VideoGame/GearsOfWar Hammer of Dawn]]. Luna herself is known as "The Lunar Lance" although nothing has ever come up where she found it necessary to drop a shooting star on anything in anger. Even when she was Nightmare Moon, she wanted to RULE, and thus collateral damage was undesirable. She was too demented to fully realize that no sunlight would condemn the world to death by starvation since crops couldn't grow. Both receive cooperation from their brother, Abyss, Lord of the Seaponies in that he clears out enough deep ocean of fish and such for them to do a little target practice with their respective weapons.

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[[folder:Shining Armor]]
[[WMG:Shining Armor was referenced during Season One]]
Guess what went through Twilight's head when she read out the word "brothers" from the sleep-over manual in Look Before You Sleep, or for that matter, why she would have said it in the first place.

[[WMG:Shining Armor is Equestria's answer to [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Link]].]]
* Does that mean we'll never hear him speak?
** It would have been hilarious if Shining Armor was "voiced" entirely with VoiceGrunting.
** {{Jossed}}. He does speak. And has the same VA as Braeburn, in fact.
*** Except Creator/AndrewFrancis did '''not''' voice Braeburn. He ''did'' audition for it though.

[[WMG: Shining Armor is Twilight Sparkle's ''Half''-Brother.]]
This would explain them not really looking a like outside of having somewhat similar cutie marks.
* And somewhat similar manes too. But Pound and Pumpkin Cake already proved that pony genetics are crazy anyway (unless, [[ChocolateBaby you know]]).
** He ''does'' look like Twilight's father though (having a blue mane and similar head shape). He just has the larger build used for Big Macintosh, Rarity's dad, and Prince Blueblood.
*** He also has his mother's white fur. There's no reason to believe he's not the son of both their parents. Twilight's purple color scheme is a bit more suspect, though.
* Here's how I look at this theory: The Canterlot guards have a ''very'' secret breeding program only few know about, and they go to great lengths to keep others from exposing it. Certain unicorn and pegasus mares are required, and Twilight's mom somehow met those requirements. She was either coerced into participating (most likely), a unicorn guard used his magic to seduce the mom, or the mom willingly did her part (possibly because if she didn't do this, she would not be allowed to have foals with her husband. If there's no Shining Armor, then there's no Twilight Sparkle).

[[WMG: Shining Armor is Twilight's ''younger'' brother.]]
[[BigLittleBrother Because it]]'s [[RuleOfFunny funny.]]
* Or, even more shocking, [[spoiler:[[LukeIAmYourFather her father]].]]
** Nope. She calls him BBBFF ('''Big''' Brother Best Friend Forever), although that's probably just by size.

[[WMG: Shining Armor has been in the military.]]
Possibly defending Equestria or helping creatures in a neighboring kingdom. If he truly is Twilight's brother, it could explain why we haven't seen him.
* Confirmed, sort of. He's head of the guards, which is the closest Equestria seems to have to a military.

[[WMG: Shining Armor used to be a jerk.]]
Which is why Twilight never talked about him, but has since matured after joining the military.
* Another theory is that the two of them had a highly spirited SiblingRivalry with Twilight being better at magic while Shining Armor was BookDumb and a better athlete. Twilight still sees him as her jerky older brother and will try to put a stop to him marrying into the royal family but will find out that he was never ''really'' that bad of a guy and will become enthusiastic about the marriage when she realizes it means she'll be relatives (however distantly) with Princess Celestia.
* After seeing him in action (and in Twilight's flashbacks), we can safely consider these two {{Jossed}}. The one 'jerk' moment he has -- his reaction to Twilight's really annoyingly vague accusation that "Cadence" is somehow "evil" -- is both one he shares with everypony else present and decidedly out of character for him (at least partly justified by [[spoiler: Chrysalis's manipulations and]] the constant stress of having to maintain the shield around Canterlot); he reverts right back to being her [[BigBrotherWorship B.B.B.F.F.]] once the Changelings are dealt with.

[[WMG: Shining Armor's special talent is protection.]]
His cutie mark is the same star as Twilight's but on a heraldic shield. His primary unicorn spell will be a force shield. The same defensive bubble that Twilight wielded against Discord. She learned it from him, like how she copied Rarity's gem finding spell.
* Confirmed that the force shield is a primary spell to him.
** Adding to this, he may be a BarrierWarrior, and able to ''weaponize'' his force fields. Think Manga/{{Kekkaishi}}.
* Along these same lines, he probably got his cutie mark defending Twilight from something when they were younger. The lesson he's going to learn is to stop being ''over''protective.

[[WMG: Shining Armor's groomsmen are going to be a parallel, SpearCounterpart group to the mane six.]]
His army buddies, and they'll exemplify the tropes of TheUnit. He'll have a creative armor-crafting or gadget-guy unicorn, a close to the earth drill-sergeant type earth pony, a somewhat-unbalanced and shell-shocked Rambo-type who likes to appear suddenly from cover and favors ambushes, a brash and cocky ChuckYeager air support pegasus, and a dependable but shy support flyer who will be a GentleGiant. Shining Armor himself takes his sister's role as the leader and spellcaster, and his buddies give him flack for overplanning things and going by the book.
** {{Jossed}}. No groomsmen were in sight.
*** There were three Groomsmen (The Models were Caramel, Cherry Coke and Blues), but still {{Jossed}} in that they don't speak.

[[WMG:Shining Armor is a figment of Twilight Sparkle's imagination.]]
Of course, YourMindMakesItReal combined with her powerful Magic makes him seem real to everypony else. She always wanted a brother.
* ''Same for Cadance?''
** No, just her brother.

[[WMG:Shining Armor is Cadance's VictoriousChildhoodFriend.]]
He's had a big crush on her since the days when she foal-sat for Twilight Sparkle, but was always quiet about it because he thought that nothing would ever come of it (she's a cerapter and ''royalty'', after all). In fact, he kept [[CannotSpitItOut sufficiently quiet about it]] that Cadance [[ObliviousToLove somehow didn't put two and two together]] until her own LoveEpiphany. (''She'' proposed to ''him''.)

[[WMG:Shining Armor can create any shape out of force fields.]]
His skill with force fields is such that he can use them to create any 3D shape, not just spheres, much like the GreenLanternCorps and [[Franchise/FantasticFour Sue Storm]].

[[WMG:Shining Armor wasn't disabled by the Queen's magic.]]
It was shock from seeing [[ShapeshiftingSquick who and what]] he had spent the past few nights with.

[[WMG:Shining Armor was away at military training when Twilight got her cutie mark.]]
This explains why we didn't see him in her "Cutie Mark Chronicles" flashback, and why she doesn't have a cutie mark in her "Canterlot Wedding" flashbacks.

[[WMG:Shining Armor is, indirectly, the [[HoldingOutForAHero reason that the rest of the guards are useless]].]]
With someone as powerful as him around, they don't bother to take their duties seriously. Why should they, when he can throw up a shield that can cover all of Canterlot? Hopefully, after seeing him get brainwashed, they'll actually start to be worth a damn again.

[[WMG:Shining Armor is a BarrierWarrior, or at least has magic centering around force fields.]]
Shining said that ''only'' he was capable of creating the shield over Canterlot, and his name and cutie mark have a defense motif.

[[WMG: Shining Armor will receive a WhatTheHellHero speech from his sister.]]
Perhaps when Twilight Sparkle sees a BrokenPedestal situation with her brother, she calls him out, and possibly her friends as well for supporting it. [[TheWoobie Twilight]]'s been TheChewToy for too long and it's nice to see something different for a change.
* ... Are we watching the same show?

[[WMG: Shining Armor is [[UltimateEvil the ruler and creator of Tartarus]] and the [[TheManBehindtheMan real]] [[ManipulativeBastard mastermind]] [[TheDogWasTheMastermind behind]] [[EvilAllAlong everything]].]]
From the Pre-Hearth's Warming Disharmony to the Changeling Invasion. But, wait. Wasn't he being controlled by Queen Chrysalis? [[TheManBehindtheMan No!]] [[EvilAllAlong Turns out that he was controlling her from the very beginning]]! As for Discord, he's Shining Armor's [[TheDragon right-hoof Draconequus]] following his one and only order: ''to bring chaos back to Equestria gone soft''. But, hold it. If this was all true, then why would he raise Twilight Sparkle like she was his daughter and marry Princess Cadance? [[ManipulativeBastard So that he could emotionally and mentally break them later once the time is right]].
* Thus, after [[TheReveal revealing his true identity and motives]], he then reveals his true form and his mane and eyes [[RedEyesTakeWarning turn red]].
* He then attempts to awaken Twilight Sparkle's SuperpoweredEvilSide by [[BreakTheCutie emotionally]] [[HeroicBSOD crushing]] [[CurbStompBattle her]].
** Though [[BackstabBackfire this may backfire]] and [[UnstoppableRage Evil Twilight Sparkle may turn against him]]...[[XanatosGambit unless he wins either way]]...

[[WMG: Shining Armor got his cutie mark protecting ponies from ''Twilight''.]]
Unicorn foals have unpredictable surges of magic when they're about a month old. One theory has it that the power of these surges is relative to their total potential. Going from that, Shining Armor developing his shield spell to keep his baby sister from atomizing some poor schlub seems reasonable.

[[WMG: Shining Armor will replace Celestia as the show's designated [[TheWorfEffect Worf]].]]

[[WMG: Shining Armor insists that people only refer to him by his first and middle name.]]
Because let's face it, "Shining Sparkle" would likely have gotten him [[UnfortunateName laughed out of Magic Kindergarden]]. Better to go with a name [[AwesomeMcCoolname that sounds less embarrassing]].
* Assuming that Twilight's mother is actually named Twilight Velvet, that would give them the surname Twilight. Twilight Shining or Twilight Armor isn't too bad.
* Adding to this, Shining took the last name of his wife. He isn't a fan of Shining Armor Cadenza either, but it's harder to avoid using.
* What makes you think that Sparkle is his last name, rather than Twilight having the last name of Armor?
* What makes you think their names are anything other than Twilight Sparkle and Shining Armor?

[[WMG: Shining Armor isn't really that good a commander.]]
He's a powerful asset of course, but in terms of actually doing the job of leading the Royal Guard, he's pretty terrible. His guards haven't actually stopped any crisis we've seen on the show, they've let suspicious looking ponies into the royal archive in the middle of the night (yeah, Twilight is the Princess' personal protege, but she was trying to sneak in at night without calling ahead while in disguise), and Canterlot was overrun in seeming minutes by the changelings with the guards being utterly useless.
* Well, to be fair, it would be really hard to fight an enemy that is able to take the appearance of anyone, especially since the guards probably have been protecting civilians as a major focus.
** Then comes Equestria Games and he has the bright idea to have everyone subjected to the magic dampening artifact, instead of everyone save a few designated and trusted guards.

[[WMG: Shining Armor's cutie mark hints at a second set of Elements.]]
Like Twilight Sparkle, Shining Armor's cutie mark has the symbol of the Element of Magic as a component. We can then assume that like Twilight, Princess Celestia took him under her wings as an apprentice partially due to his prowess with defensive magic and partly due to his cutie mark, perhaps expecting him to be the new holder of the Element of Magic. (This also helps to explain why Twilight had a princess as a foalsitter before she was Princess Celestia's student, her family must have gained higher status due to Princess Celestia's interest in Shining Armor) Now the other components of Shining Armor's cutie mark are a Shield (Showing his ability to defend Canterlot with his magic) and three stars, stars very similar in design to the five Stars in Twilight's mark. In Twilight's case, the stars represent the other five mane ponies, the other Elements Of Harmony. What if Shining Armor's stars represented the same thing, a set of sub Elements with three other ponies (perhaps Cadence is one of those three)
* I like that, perhaps it is related to love? I mean, Shining Armor and Cadence defeated you know who using the power of love, perhaps it as to do with the elements of love and why not.
** Like, Twilight's group are the Elements of Harmony, but Shining Armor and Cadance would be part of the Elements of Passion? Platonic harmony versus fiery (not necessarily romantic, except in the case of Cadance who happens to be in love with Shining Armor) passion? Love as the central equivalent of Friendship, with Protection and four others ([[IdealizedSex Physical]] [[FightingYourFriend Interaction]]? [[{{Expy}} Fidelity]]? [[SixthRangerTraitor Obsession]])?

[[WMG: Shining Armor will have another fight with his sister again, this time it'll be more serious than the wedding rehearsal incident, and it will escalates to SiblingRivalry.]]

[[WMG: Shining Armor will develop an inferiority complex.]]
Why? Alicorns. Alicorns everywhere. His wife is an alicorn. His boss is an alicorn. His boss's sister is an alicorn. His ''own'' sister is now an alicorn. Even if those four are the only four alicorns in Equestria, he's still probably going to be one of the few ponies who's ever honestly able to say he was, at one point, the only ''non''-alicorn in the room. As alicorns are rare, special, and majestic, and he's just a plain old ordinary unicorn… Yeah. That can't lead to anything good.

[[WMG: Shining Armor is the most powerful unicorn to ever live.]]
Maybe a bit of a stretch, but certainly he's the most powerful in the show. Even Twilight, for all her magic cutie mark and prodigy skills, never showed anything nearly on the same scale as putting a barrier around all of Canterlot as Shining Armor did for an extended period. In fact, only Celestia has ever actually shown on-screen magic on a greater scale than that, with her moving of the sun.
* The show seems to indicate that a pony's talent allows them to do more magic within their talent than outside it. His ability to cast the shield is a specialization that doesn't necessarily translate to other abilities. He might be able to create a magical shield, but he's not necessarily able to channel that ability into other effects. Cadance was able to surround the entire Crystal Empire with a love shield to stop King Sombra, but Chrysalis kicked her ass and locked her in the Canterlot catacombs with no apparent trouble and Cadance seemed powerless to break herself out.
** The love-powered alicorn was weaker when facing an enemy whose own power was the ability to parasitically feed off of love? Ya don't say!
*** Given that Chrysalis attributes her victory entirely to Shining Armor and not Cadance, it undermines the notion that she was super effective vs Cadance.

[[WMG:Shining Armor hasn't forgiven Discord for his betrayal in "Twilight's Kingdom".]]
Him not being present with the Mane 6, Spike, the other princesses, and Discord himself in Twilight's new castle at the end could be an indication of this.

[[WMG: Shining Armor will be slain by the next ArcVillain.]]
Shining Armor has the tendency of being [[THeWorfEffect worfed]] by major villains, such as getting MindRape by Queen Chrysalis, his horn encrusted by Sombra, and his magic drained by Tirek,[[FourIsDeath his fourth encounter with next antagonist could spell his doom.]]

[[WMG: Alternately, Shining Armor will suffer a Cutie Mark Failure Insanity Syndrome breakdown.]]
With his habit of getting hit with TheWorfEffect, the poor stallion is long overdue for one. After an attack or accident threatens Cadance and Flurry Heart, Shining becomes increasingly overprotective in his attempt to safeguard his wife and his daughter. Ultimately, he tries out an ancient, forbidden spell, which works, but begins draining his life force. Cadance and Twilight rush to talk him down from the precipice, and he emotionally confesses how horrible he feels about never being able to protect anypony he really cares about (citing some of the incidents that have happened so far on the show). His wife and his sister manage to convince him that this is not the way to do it, and he collapses, exhausted, into their arms. Afterwards, Twilight begins teaching her brother some tricks to increase his fighting ability safely, which may allow him to avoid getting worfed next time (or at least provide a CurbStompCushion that will enable him to pull another important YouShallNotPass).

[[WMG: Shining Armor will have his horn severely damaged.]]
The next ArcVillain will make an attempt to fillynap Flurry Heart only to be stop by Prince Shining Armor. He/She and Shining Armor engage in a BeamOWar , only for the baddie to not only overpower the unicorn but sending the beam into Shining's horn,overheating it and finally burning it a crisp, leaving the him completely incapacitated (once again). After The BigBad is defeated and sent to Tartarus, Twilight will go from searching all through the Crystal Empire's Library shelves to seeking Zecora's knowledge on elixirs and remedies in order to find a way to restore her brother's horn back the way it was.
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[[WMG: Winged unicorns aren't a naturally occurring race -- the princesses are just incredibly skilled unicorn sorceresses with a host of enchantments on top.]]
Note how they're called unicorns in the S1 opening. Also, unicorns used to raise the sun and the moon, according to the Hearth's Waming eve play. All it takes to become a princess pony are these spells:
* Permanent wings -- possibly similar to the spell Twilight cast in sonic Rainboom, except made to last. If a permanent version of that spell created the flutter ponies, who never seemed to have Rarity's fragility problems, Princess!Twilight might end up with butterfly wings.
* Size-up -- Maybe they had a chat with Tenser, or maybe some "ponies" just naturally grow that big (see Sapphire Shores and Fleur -- might be a "giants walked the earth in those days" type dealie)
* Longevity -- might be a spell, or might be caused by the golden apple tree Celestia owns, like in Myth/NorseMythology.
Their cutie marks are entirely natural. Eventually, unicorns were born that could control the heavens without needing the help of the other unicorns. The mightiest unicorn wizards (Star-Swirl if he was still alive) managed to cast a spell of eternal life on the sisters, so that the unicorns would never have to do it the old, hard way again. Their princess titles might have been given to them after that, or maybe they were born into the old Unicornian royal family.\\
Their skills with other magic came much later; they didn't have anywhere near the talent with non-solar/lunar magic that, say, Twilight does, but have had several millenia to practice. By the time Luna went loco, Celestia had such a great understanding of magic that she could not only wield the elements of harmony single-hoofedly, she could also mimic her sister's cutie mark power.

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[[WMG: Winged unicorns aren't a naturally ocurring race - the princesses are just incredibly skilled unicorn sorceresses with a host of enchantments on top.]]
Note how they're called unicorns in the S1 opening. Also, unicorns used to raise the sun and the moon, according to the Hearth's Waming eve play. All it takes to become a princess pony are these spells:
* Permanent wings - possibly similar to the spell Twilight cast in sonic Rainboom, except made to last. If a permanent version of that spell created the flutter ponies, who never seemed to have Rarity's fragility problems, Princess!Twilight might end up with butterfly wings.
* Size-up - Maybe they had a chat with Tenser, or maybe some "ponies" just naturally grow that big (see Sapphire Shores and Fleur - might be a "giants walked the earth in those days" type dealie)
* Longevity - might be a spell, or might be caused by the golden apple tree Celestia owns, like in Myth/NorseMythology.
Their cutie marks are entirely natural. Eventually, unicorns were born that could control the heavens without needing the help of the other unicorns. The mightiest unicorn wizards (Star-Swirl if he was still alive) managed to cast a spell of eternal life on the sisters, so that the unicorns would never have to do it the old, hard way again. Their princess titles might have been given to them after that, or maybe they were born into the old Unicornian royal family.
Their skills with other magic came much later; they didn't have anywhere near the talent with non-solar/lunar magic that, say, Twilight does, but have had several millenia to practice. By the time Luna went loco, Celestia had such a great understanding of magic that she could not only wield the elements of harmony single-hoofedly, she could also mimic her sister's cutie mark power.

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[[WMG: Winged unicorns aren't a naturally ocurring race - the princesses are just incredibly skilled unicorn sorceresses with a host of enchantments on top.]]
Note how they're called unicorns in the S1 opening. Also, unicorns used to raise the sun and the moon, according to the Hearth's Waming eve play. All it takes to become a princess pony are these spells:
* Permanent wings - possibly similar to the spell Twilight cast in sonic Rainboom, except made to last. If a permanent version of that spell created the flutter ponies, who never seemed to have Rarity's fragility problems, Princess!Twilight might end up with butterfly wings.
* Size-up - Maybe they had a chat with Tenser, or maybe some "ponies" just naturally grow that big (see Sapphire Shores and Fleur - might be a "giants walked the earth in those days" type dealie)
* Longevity - might be a spell, or might be caused by the golden apple tree Celestia owns, like in Myth/NorseMythology.
Their cutie marks are entirely natural. Eventually, unicorns were born that could control the heavens without needing the help of the other unicorns. The mightiest unicorn wizards (Star-Swirl if he was still alive) managed to cast a spell of eternal life on the sisters, so that the unicorns would never have to do it the old, hard way again. Their princess titles might have been given to them after that, or maybe they were born into the old Unicornian royal family.
Their skills with other magic came much later; they didn't have anywhere near the talent with non-solar/lunar magic that, say, Twilight does, but have had several millenia to practice. By the time Luna went loco, Celestia had such a great understanding of magic that she could not only wield the elements of harmony single-hoofedly, she could also mimic her sister's cutie mark power.



[[WMG: The guards standing next to the throne in the opening sequence are [[EliteMooks Elite Guards]].]]
Similar to [[StarWars Emperor Palpatine's]] red royal guard, these are specially trained guards, used as a last defense. Yet they never travel with her...
* Because Celestia generally travels by air. It would be difficult to bring non-pegasus guards along and doing so would slow her down in general. The unicorn guards probably aren't any more elite than the pegasus guards actually, just each group of guards is trained to cover different areas and situations.



[[WMG:The royal guards are actually magical constructs created by the princesses.]]
Each of it's members all look the same. That's very unusual for a non-background pony. They also almost exclusively appear whenever one of the princesses are around/nearby or have recently left. Why isn't there a royal guard any place else? Especially in Ponyville where it is in close proximity to an extremely dangerous forest. That's also very strange. Also Princess Luna as Nightmare Moon has demonstrated that she has the capability to divide and shapeshift herself into several ponies. If that is the case then it is highly likely that Princess Celestia also possess this kind of power. This opens up a new perspective whenever you see a royal guards: They are actually magical puppets and tools of the princesses to manipulate things and events to suit their plans.
* Alternatively, they are royal guards. They may all look the same because they are the same size and have the same color coats and manes. The former may be explicable by the fact that there may be size requirements for recruitment into the royal guards. Historically, many militaries, especially elite units, had standard size requirements; the Roman legions, for example, would not take any man who was too big or too small. As for their coats and manes all being the same color, that may be the result of dyeing their hair, which, considering ponies don't normally wear clothes, may be their equivalent of a military uniform. Also, just because they all look alike to us doesn't mean they all look alike to other ponies. As for why they are always around when the princesses are, and not otherwise, that's because they are royal guards: their job is to guard the princesses and their household. They are not the national army and they are not the police. And it's not even true that we never see them when the princesses aren't around: in the pilot, two pegasi members of the royal guards flew Twilight's carriage to Ponyville, and she thanked them, as if they were thinking, feeling ponies; they smiled at being thanked, as if they appreciated it; if they are constructs, Twilight doesn't seem to know it.
* Yeah, this one is jossed. Twilight's brother is a member of the guard.

[[WMG: The Royal Guard are ordinary ponies enchanted to look like that]].
A Bird in the Hoof seems to confirm that they're not just made out of magic, since Rainbow Dash asked if she could join up. Implying three things, if RD isn't wrong:
1: They had a life before signing up
2: They get paid, so they probably have free will, days off and individuality
3: They accept females into their ranks, though we haven't seen any yet
So, how come they all look the same? Magic. Celestia and Luna magically transform them into perfect soldiers (maybe only while they're on duty, keyed to their armor?), so they can focus on accepting the most loyal, rather than the most physically fit. This also makes them identical, so no-one can be sure who they are (for reasons similar to why SWAT teams and special forces wear masks), and might even change their race (this is why we haven't seen any earth pony guards, and also handily explains where Luna's bat-ponies came from).

[[WMG: The Princesses are [[CompositeCharacter Composite Characters]] of The Mane Six]].

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[[WMG:The royal guards are actually magical constructs created by the princesses.]]
Each of it's members all look the same. That's very unusual for a non-background pony. They also almost exclusively appear whenever one of the princesses are around/nearby or have recently left. Why isn't there a royal guard any place else? Especially in Ponyville where it is in close proximity to an extremely dangerous forest. That's also very strange. Also Princess Luna as Nightmare Moon has demonstrated that she has the capability to divide and shapeshift herself into several ponies. If that is the case then it is highly likely that Princess Celestia also possess this kind of power. This opens up a new perspective whenever you see a royal guards: They are actually magical puppets and tools of the princesses to manipulate things and events to suit their plans.
* Alternatively, they are royal guards. They may all look the same because they are the same size and have the same color coats and manes. The former may be explicable by the fact that there may be size requirements for recruitment into the royal guards. Historically, many militaries, especially elite units, had standard size requirements; the Roman legions, for example, would not take any man who was too big or too small. As for their coats and manes all being the same color, that may be the result of dyeing their hair, which, considering ponies don't normally wear clothes, may be their equivalent of a military uniform. Also, just because they all look alike to us doesn't mean they all look alike to other ponies. As for why they are always around when the princesses are, and not otherwise, that's because they are royal guards: their job is to guard the princesses and their household. They are not the national army and they are not the police. And it's not even true that we never see them when the princesses aren't around: in the pilot, two pegasi members of the royal guards flew Twilight's carriage to Ponyville, and she thanked them, as if they were thinking, feeling ponies; they smiled at being thanked, as if they appreciated it; if they are constructs, Twilight doesn't seem to know it.
* Yeah, this one is jossed. Twilight's brother is a member of the guard.

[[WMG: The Royal Guard are ordinary ponies enchanted to look like that]].
A Bird in the Hoof seems to confirm that they're not just made out of magic, since Rainbow Dash asked if she could join up. Implying three things, if RD isn't wrong:
1: They had a life before signing up
2: They get paid, so they probably have free will, days off and individuality
3: They accept females into their ranks, though we haven't seen any yet
So, how come they all look the same? Magic. Celestia and Luna magically transform them into perfect soldiers (maybe only while they're on duty, keyed to their armor?), so they can focus on accepting the most loyal, rather than the most physically fit. This also makes them identical, so no-one can be sure who they are (for reasons similar to why SWAT teams and special forces wear masks), and might even change their race (this is why we haven't seen any earth pony guards, and also handily explains where Luna's bat-ponies came from).

[[WMG: The Princesses are [[CompositeCharacter Composite Characters]] of The the Mane Six]].



[[WMG: Every Pony born an Alicorn has their own "Mane Six"]]
* Princess Celestia's should be fairly obvious.
* Princess luna's would be the Background Mane Six (Derpy, Lyra, Octavia, Vinyl, Bon Bon, and Raindrops instead of Doctor to keep the whole "Two Earth/Pegasi/Unicorns" thing).
* If you do not consider ''The Crystal Heart Spell'' canon, and you believe Cadence was born an Alicorn, than her team would be: Golden Harvest, Minuette, Berry Punch, Twinkleshine, Flitter, and Cloudchaser.
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In Kingdom Hearts, Heartless are created when people give into the darkness in their hearts. In ''FiM'', Luna becomes Nightmare Moon for a similar reason. Celestia returns Luna to normal in the second episode in the same way that [[spoiler: Kairi restored Sora in the first Kingdom Hearts game, which suggests that Celestia is a Princess of Heart in this continuity.]]

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In Kingdom Hearts, Heartless are created when people give into the darkness in their hearts. In ''FiM'', ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', Luna becomes Nightmare Moon for a similar reason. Celestia returns Luna to normal in the second episode in the same way that [[spoiler: Kairi restored Sora in the first Kingdom Hearts game, which suggests that Celestia is a Princess of Heart in this continuity.]]



* Seriously, this was posted because the people over at the MLP:FIM Wiki seemed to jump to conclusions too quickly about Discord actually being Equestria's former ruler.

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* Seriously, this was posted because the people over at the MLP:FIM ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' Wiki seemed to jump to conclusions too quickly about Discord actually being Equestria's former ruler.



* In the Episode Magical Mystery Cure Celestia reveals to Twilight that she has been watching her adventures in Ponyville by displaying clips from past episodes of MLP:FIM in front of Twilight. Celestia could have [[BigBrotherIsWatching magical cameras recording all the important events in Ponyville]] which would also explain why everyone is always [[FourthWallObserver mugging for them]].

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* In the Episode Magical Mystery Cure Celestia reveals to Twilight that she has been watching her adventures in Ponyville by displaying clips from past episodes of MLP:FIM ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' in front of Twilight. Celestia could have [[BigBrotherIsWatching magical cameras recording all the important events in Ponyville]] which would also explain why everyone is always [[FourthWallObserver mugging for them]].
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* Jossed. Twilight, at least, ascended to alicornhood without the need to fuse with anybody else.



[[WMG: Celestia and Lunas respective elements]]

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[[WMG: Celestia and Lunas Luna's respective elements]]
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[[WMG: The Reason We Never See Celestia and Luna's Parents is because of Copyright Laws (spoilers for YuMeDream)]]
... for you see, Equestria is actually [[YumeDream Nod]]. The current queen of Equestria was a very young girl who killed Don by mistake, yet was somehow still chosen by Nod to rule. She used her newfound powers to turn all the residents of the regular dream world into ponies (several thousand dream years has lead to them forgetting their true forms- after all, Equestrains don't seem to be very good at keeping track of history), found her prince charming, and had two daughters (who are the ones who actually have all the responsibility). But we never learn this, because in revealing her true appearance, we'd see her swirly eye and hair- and Rosalarian is not allowing them to do that for some reason or other. (why they don't just use a LawyerFriendlyCameo or the like is beyond me)

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[[WMG: The Reason We Never See Celestia and Luna's Parents is because of Copyright Laws (spoilers for YuMeDream)]]
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for you see, Equestria is actually [[YumeDream [[Webcomic/YumeDream Nod]]. The current queen of Equestria was a very young girl who killed Don by mistake, yet was somehow still chosen by Nod to rule. She used her newfound powers to turn all the residents of the regular dream world into ponies (several thousand dream years has lead to them forgetting their true forms- after all, Equestrains don't seem to be very good at keeping track of history), found her prince charming, and had two daughters (who are the ones who actually have all the responsibility). But we never learn this, because in revealing her true appearance, we'd see her swirly eye and hair- and Rosalarian is not allowing them to do that for some reason or other. (why they don't just use a LawyerFriendlyCameo or the like is beyond me)
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* Jossed. Luna has appeared multiple times in the show since the end of Season 1, with the nature of these appearances making it fairly clear that she lives in Canterlot as one of Equestria's rulers. Her lack of appearances in Season 1 can be presumed to be due to her going through a period of readjustment after returning from a millennium-long exile.
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* Alternatively, as run with in the popular FanFic Fanfic/PastSins, an Alicorn's maturation is a ManaMeter and in Season 2 she's just regained some of her lost power, after over a rest period of who knows how long, growing from what looks to be a 13-year-old-like body to a 18-or-so one, comparing assuming her full power would be something as large as Celestia.

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* Alternatively, as run with in the popular FanFic Fanfic/PastSins, ''Fanfic/PastSins'', an Alicorn's maturation is a ManaMeter and in Season 2 she's just regained some of her lost power, after over a rest period of who knows how long, growing from what looks to be a 13-year-old-like body to a 18-or-so one, comparing assuming her full power would be something as large as Celestia.



* Jossed by 'A Canterlot Wedding'. Celestia & Luna are not only standing right next to each other, they're getting along just fine.

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* Jossed by 'A "A Canterlot Wedding'.Wedding". Celestia & Luna are not only standing right next to each other, they're getting along just fine.

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Because Cadance would always try to be in a good mood while foal sitting, Twilight was unfamiliar with how Cadance would act in those circumstances. Deceptive!Cadance failing to recognize her at first was an actual slip up, but not the other things.

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Because Cadance would always try to be in a good mood while foal sitting, foalsitting, Twilight was unfamiliar with how Cadance would act in those circumstances. Deceptive!Cadance failing to recognize her at first was an actual slip up, but not the other things.


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[[WMG: Flurry Heart is the first ever Alicorn to have been born as such.]]
This is going by the characters' reaction in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E1TheCrystallingPart1 The Crystalling]]" to her having been born as an Alicorn.

--> '''Rarity:''' But... but... but I thought Alicorn wings had to be earned by accomplishing some great, princess-worthy deed!\\
'''Applejack:''' Yeah. How can you just be born with 'em?\\
'''Celestia:''' The birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen!\\
'''Luna:''' It is beyond even our understanding.

The interesting thing is Luna's comment: an Alicorn birth is not only something that has never been recorded before, but apparently something that the Princesses themselves did not believe was possible. Going by this, it seems likely that Flurry is the first (or at least the first that anybody ever heard of) Alicorn to be born as one, instead of ascending to Alicornhood later in life like all other Alicorns (including Celestia and Luna) did.
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* Is because Luna and Celestia need to tap into the LeyLines in order to move the sun and moon. Cadence is ruling the Crystal Empire rather than keep the world in balance, and Twilight's title is largely ceremonial. [[FridgeBrilliance It also explains why]] Celestia is so much bigger than everyone else; she's needed to double dip on the world's LifeEnergy to perform both jobs.

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* Is because Luna and Celestia need to tap into the LeyLines {{Ley Line}}s in order to move the sun and moon. Cadence is ruling the Crystal Empire rather than keep the world in balance, and Twilight's title is largely ceremonial. [[FridgeBrilliance It also explains why]] Celestia is so much bigger than everyone else; she's needed to double dip on the world's LifeEnergy to perform both jobs.




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* As it turned out, she didn't ''start'' out ruling anything, but she did eventually become the ruler of the Crystal Empire in Season 3.




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* If you consider the ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'' book canon, according to which she was a pegasus who ascended to alicornhood and isn't significantly older that Shining Armor, then this is most likely not true.



[[WMG:Princess Cadance and Shining Armor are referenced in S2E17, "Hearts and Hooves Day".]]
Sweetie Belle reads from the book Twilight gave her: "Apparently, some prince ''(Shining Armor)'' who long time ago whipped up this recipe and gave it to this princess ''(Princess Cadance)'' he liked. He meant it to be a love potion, but things didn't turn out so well. There's something here about a dragon ''(possibly skimming over "Draconequus")'', the kingdom falling, chaos reigning ''(another possible reference to Discord)''... Okay, apparently it was all because the prince and princess were so lost in each others eyes that they couldn't perform their royal duties."

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[[WMG:Princess Cadance and Shining Armor are referenced in S2E17, "Hearts "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day".Day]]".]]
Sweetie Belle reads from the book Twilight gave her: "Apparently, some prince ''(Shining Armor)'' who long time ago whipped up this recipe and gave it to this princess ''(Princess Cadance)'' he liked. He meant it to be a love potion, but things didn't turn out so well. There's something here about a dragon ''(possibly skimming over "Draconequus")'', the kingdom falling, chaos reigning ''(another possible reference to Discord)''... Okay, apparently it was all because the prince and princess were so lost in each others other's eyes that they couldn't perform their royal duties."




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* Unlikely. Even ignoring the debate over Cadance's age, Shining is Twilight's older brother and not that much older than her.



[[WMG: Cadance is the Princess Goddess in charge of The Fine Arts]]
Because her name sounds a lot like Cadence- a sequence of notes or chords comprising the close of a musical phrase.

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[[WMG: Cadance is the Princess Goddess in charge of The the Fine Arts]]
Because her name sounds a lot like Cadence- Cadence -- a sequence of notes or chords comprising the close of a musical phrase.



Rather, she is a semi-logical extension of Pumpkin and Pound cake's weird genetics. Where they got their unicorn/pegasus traits from old ancestors, Cadence got her wings from Celestia; however, unlike Celestia and Luna, who are combinations of all three races, Cadence is more like a Unicorn with wings attached: she doesn't seem to have the strength of an Earth Pony, and the only time she uses her wings is to glide when she and Twilight are [[spoiler: escaping the caverns and rescuing Spike and the Crystal Heart after being hurled by Shining Armor]], so it's possible she can't actually fly on her wings, only glide. Of course, she's still a very powerful unicorn, and descended from the Princesses, hence her title. She also isn't a goddess, just a very powerful unicorn whose special talent is something related to love.

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Rather, she is a semi-logical extension of Pumpkin and Pound cake's Cake's weird genetics. Where they got their unicorn/pegasus traits from old ancestors, Cadence got her wings from Celestia; however, unlike Celestia and Luna, who are combinations of all three races, Cadence is more like a Unicorn with wings attached: she doesn't seem to have the strength of an Earth Pony, and the only time she uses her wings is to glide when she and Twilight are [[spoiler: escaping the caverns and rescuing Spike and the Crystal Heart after being hurled by Shining Armor]], so it's possible she can't actually fly on her wings, only glide. Of course, she's still a very powerful unicorn, and descended from the Princesses, hence her title. She also isn't a goddess, just a very powerful unicorn whose special talent is something related to love.




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* If one considers the chapter books canon, then it seems she's a niece by adoption -- Celestia took her in after she ascended to alicornhood.



*** Compare Luna's form in seasons 1 and 2. In season 2 she is larger and has a darker coat, and can transform into Nightmare Moon at will. It's possible Cadance can transform as well, and assumed a younger form when foalsitting.

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*** Compare Luna's form in seasons 1 and 2. In season 2 she is larger and has a darker coat, and can transform into Nightmare Moon at will. It's possible Cadance can transform as well, and assumed a younger form when foalsitting.
foal sitting.
* Jossed if one considers the chapter books canonical to the show. According to ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'', she was a regular pegasus who became an alicorn like Twilight did.

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