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Problem is, his usual methods of sowing chaos for The Red King only work on people who take themselves too seriously, like the weaker minds in TheStand and TheDarkTower, or Frank Burns. He was forced to resort to the oft-cited temporal whammy on the medics, but it left his form in the MASH universe in a state of growing increasingly caricature-like. Like faith for those in TheStand, and like ka for those in TheDarkTower, the 4077th's sense of humor broke the Walkin' Dude's power there.

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Problem is, his usual methods of sowing chaos for The Red King only work on people who take themselves too seriously, like the weaker minds in TheStand and TheDarkTower, Franchise/TheDarkTower, or Frank Burns. He was forced to resort to the oft-cited temporal whammy on the medics, but it left his form in the MASH universe in a state of growing increasingly caricature-like. Like faith for those in TheStand, and like ka for those in TheDarkTower, Franchise/TheDarkTower, the 4077th's sense of humor broke the Walkin' Dude's power there.
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** Oh yeah, Flagg was ''clearly'' [[SarcasmMode competent at his job]]. Methinks [[MacBeth you're protesting too much]].

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** Oh yeah, Flagg was ''clearly'' [[SarcasmMode competent at his job]]. Methinks [[MacBeth [[Theatre/MacBeth you're protesting too much]].

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*** Klinger implies a few times that his family is Muslim (various refereces to Allah stand out), although Mulcahey once references him as an athiest.


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** As a medical unit, the 4077 wasn't supposed to have heavy weapons like that (this was referenced later on when Hawkeye 'won' a Howitzer). Also, if a medical unit was reported to have shot down a NK pilot, then the 4077 would be hit in full force, more than the small number of troops stationed there for protection would be able to handle.


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** They are more concerned with the attacks on the hospital at that time. Besides, the general responsible for positioning the ammo dump near the hospital acknowledges that his actions are barely legal (at best) under international law).


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** Most of the willing soldiers that they send home are not capable of being effective in the army anymore, i.e. the soldier who lied about his age to get into the army or those who had been too badly injured to continue serving in the military. The brand 'coward' was shown more often than not to be situational or caused by battle fatigue, and rarely was it demonstrated that it was an inherent personality trait of the individual i.e. the soldier who starved himself after his buddies were killed on Thanksgiving. The homosexual was willing and able to serve, just not legally. The doctors were willing to pull strings to help him thanks to their anachronistic sense of morality. The two most racist characters they encountered were the soldier who wanted his own color blood and the CO who was intentionally putting his black soldiers into harms way. The first one got an Aesop delivered intravenously, and the other they managed to get out of the army.


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** Hawkeye recognized the man's skill and helped a defector get in place to assist allied troops. No real issue there.


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** Even more likely to keep Frank from killing the people around him. His tendancy to pull the trigger while aiming at random people has been expounded above, and he even managed to shoot BJ one time.


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** They were trying to establish a connection with the North Korean officer in hopes of making these exchanges a semi-regular event, and because they were outgunned roughly 20-1. That's a bad time to be throwing around attitude.


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** The woman, guerilla or not, was his patient. He simply refused to allow his patient to be handed over to torture and certain death on the assumption that she was an enemy. The guerillas he identified in the other episode were more an example of pattern recognition, as he had heard stories about that very same time of incident happening and had likely had it happen to him before. Also, Radar backed him up on that one.


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** The thing about Hawkeye is that he ignores the politics surrounding a patient and focuses on those who are wounded. He doesn't care so much about hypothetical patients next week as he does about the person who is dying of an infection right in front of him. To him, the war isn't about millions of soldiers fighting, it's one patient that he treats and, when they are taken care of, he moves on to the next one.
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**This troper figured that if he was pronounced "crazy" under a general Section 8, Klinger could still find good work in Toledo's Grey Market economy, with the transvestite thing waved off as stress or acknowledged as a dodge. Being labeled as a homosexual, especially in the 50s and in (what I assume to be) a family of Lebanese Catholics, would mean instant ostracism at best.
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[[WMG:Radar is a [[XMen Mutant]].]]

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[[WMG:Radar is a [[XMen [[Franchise/{{X-Men}} Mutant]].]]
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[[WMG: {{MASH}} and ''TheXFiles'' are set in the same continuity, and either Bill Mulder or the CSM was Major Flagg (Ed Winter's character) from M*A*S*H]]

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** Just watched the episode in question, "Guerilla My Dreams", and some of the facts are wrong. Hawkeye never insisted that the woman couldn't be a guerrilla, simply that he didn't care whether she was or wasn't. The incident where she tried to kill a soldier was misinterpreted as her being disorientated by the entire camp, not just Hawkeye. At the time Hawkeye tried to evacuate the woman, there was still room to believe she might be innocent and the line about Hawkeye caring more about her life than she did came after that. On the other hand, the episode does rely on a FalseDichotomy, where the only options are torturing her to death or letting her go scot-free. And Hawkeye does seem to be opposed to her being interrogated on principle, even before he finds out torture would be involved.

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** Wasn't there a regulation against MASH units having weaponry on base? And the NK pilot was some nutcase thinking he could be a hero.



* When a soldier pays off a gambling debt with a piece of artillery, Hawkeye sabotages it. He claims he did it because the gun's presence was drawing North Korean fire, but sabotaging the gun doesn't change it's presence. It just keeps it from being used later to kill North Korean soldiers.

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* When a soldier pays off a gambling debt with a piece of artillery, Hawkeye sabotages it. He claims he did it because the gun's presence was drawing North Korean fire, but sabotaging the gun doesn't change it's its presence. It just keeps it from being used later to kill North Korean soldiers.soldiers.
** It ''was'' drawing fire, and see above re: anti-weapon regs.



** Because if they issue a surrender, they can at least get their wounded into OR safely. Hawk's a doctor first, a soldier twenty-eighth.



** It's called "conscientious objector" status, and it's still recognized ''now''.



** Again, doctor first. His triage decisions ignore that pesky nationality business.



** They get overeager kids who signed up for stupid reasons sent home. Glory seekers can be more dangerous in the field than "cowards, homosexuals, and racists".



** Helping a doctor be a doctor under better conditions? Le gasp! The evil!



** More like to keep Frank from getting killed. Frank was an idiot and possibly a glory seeker.



** Frank was the one who broke the terms of the agreement of the patient exchange, no matter how ridiculous his gun was. He jeopardized a chance to get their patients back safely.



** Oh yeah, Flagg was ''clearly'' [[SarcasmMode competent at his job]]. Methinks [[MacBeth you're protesting too much]].



** Wait, how does drugging Frank do him harm? All Hawkeye did was get the reg-happy idiot out of the way painlessly.



** Assumptions do not a solid case make.



** I don't think I understand what this last point has to do with him being a Communist sympathizer? I suppose that he is associating the U.S. army with fascists? I realize this is all in good fun, but I find it odd and troubling, the implication that being critical of the U.S. military means one should be suspected of being a traitor. Isn't it interesting that, in the 70s, a popular sitcom could have a conscientious objector as its key protagonist? Would this fly today?

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** I don't think I understand what this last point has to do with him being a Communist sympathizer? I suppose that he is associating the U.S. army with fascists? I realize this is all in good fun, but I find it odd and troubling, troubling that the implication that being critical of the U.S. military means one should be suspected of being a traitor. Isn't it interesting that, in the 70s, a popular sitcom could have a conscientious objector as its key protagonist? Would this fly today?



** Yes, many of Hawkeye's actions are not just in oposition to the politics of the war. He goes beyond the definition of an objector or protester and commits several subversive and traiterous acts.
* When a wounded female guerilla is treated at the camp, a South Korean officer known for torturing prisoners (played by {{Mako}}!) comes to the camp to take her when she is ready to travel, Hawkeye refuses to believe she could possibly be a guerrilla, even after she tries to kill a wounded US soldier (albeit found by the staff collapsed by his bed, with the unit of blood smashed on the floor) and when the officer spells it out that her life meant more to Hawkeye than it is to her, he still refuses to believe him, even attempting to evactuate her, disobeying orders from both Potter and I Corps that he was not to interfere, yet he identified a group of Koreans as guerillas in ''Welcome to Korea'' when they vanished into the woods and started firing on him, BJ and Radar.
* If someone says something bad about the United States, Hawkeye will join in on the bashing, but if you say something bad about the Chinese, like Frank did when he called them the Yellow Hoarde, Hawkeye will threaten you with bodily harm despite claiming to be a pacifist.
** Referring to China as the "Yellow Hoard" is racist. You don't have to be a supporter of China's communist government to think that's wrong.

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** Yes, many of Hawkeye's actions are not just in oposition opposition to the politics of the war. He goes beyond the definition of an objector or protester and commits several subversive and traiterous traitorous acts.
* When a wounded female guerilla guerrilla is treated at the camp, a South Korean officer known for torturing prisoners (played by {{Mako}}!) comes to the camp to take her when she is ready to travel, Hawkeye refuses to believe she could possibly be a guerrilla, even after she tries to kill a wounded US soldier (albeit found by the staff collapsed by his bed, with the unit of blood smashed on the floor) and when the officer spells it out that her life meant more to Hawkeye than it is to her, he still refuses to believe him, even attempting to evactuate evacuate her, disobeying orders from both Potter and I Corps I-Corps that he was not to interfere, yet he identified a group of Koreans as guerillas guerrillas in ''Welcome to Korea'' when they vanished into the woods and started firing on him, BJ and Radar.
** For part one, do I really have to raise the "doctor first" flag again? For the second, let's see, combatants who apparently know the woods like the backs of their hands and are firing on people in American uniforms. [[SarcasmMode Plainly this is a US platoon we're talking about here]].
* If someone says something bad about the United States, Hawkeye will join in on the bashing, but if you say something bad about the Chinese, like Frank did when he called them the Yellow Hoarde, Horde, Hawkeye will threaten you with bodily harm despite claiming to be a pacifist.
** Referring to China as the "Yellow Hoard" Horde" is racist. You don't have to be a supporter of China's communist government to think that's wrong.


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** See above re: Flagg and assumptions.
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** Sidney's only real offensive moment was when he found out that the 'psycho case' he was supposed to be interviewing for a recommendation for a Section 8 was Klinger. Sidney was okay, he was just upset that he'd been dragged away from patients who really needed help.
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Just like ''LifeOnMars'' and ''AshesToAshes'' provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army doctors and corpsmen who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.

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Just like ''LifeOnMars'' ''Series/{{Life On Mars|2006}}'' and ''AshesToAshes'' provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army doctors and corpsmen who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.
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** Referring to China as the "Yellow Hoard" is racist. You don't have to be a supporter of China's communist government to think that's wrong.
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** Yes, many of Hawkeye's actions are not just in oposition to the politics of the war. He goes beyond the definition of an objector or protester and commits several subversive and traiterous acts.


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* When Colonel Flagg appears after black marketeers attempt to steal some penicillin, Flagg tries to steal the penicillin himself, explaining to Hawkeye that he can barter the penicillin for information that will end battles sooner and help American troops avoid deadly ambushes. Hawkeye doesn't even bat an eye at this, even though he's supposed to be more interested in saving lives and preventing bloodshed. I can't help but think that if a North Korean was stealing supplies for the same reason, Hawkeye would have even helped him load the truck and would have helped him forge a pass to make it past checkpoints.
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** I think it would fly today as long as Hawkeye was anti-war and didn't use so many anti-American statements.


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* If someone says something bad about the United States, Hawkeye will join in on the bashing, but if you say something bad about the Chinese, like Frank did when he called them the Yellow Hoarde, Hawkeye will threaten you with bodily harm despite claiming to be a pacifist.
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* For this theory to work, it would have to explain the source of the hundreds of wounded soldiers that the 4077 treats. Researchers could be [[CompleteMonster remorseless sociopaths]] back in the day, but it seems unlikely that they'd intentionally critically wound hundreds of people just to maintain the illusion.

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* For this theory to work, it would have to explain the source of the hundreds of wounded soldiers that the 4077 treats. Researchers could be [[CompleteMonster remorseless sociopaths]] sociopaths back in the day, but it seems unlikely that they'd intentionally critically wound hundreds of people just to maintain the illusion.
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* Except in this loop, the people keep aging, a condition that's unknown to them. That's why they continued to refer to Radar as a kid when he was already 37 years old. This would also explain why the patients that were treated at the 4077th got older as the season wore on, too.

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* Except in this loop, the people keep aging, a condition that's unknown to them. That's why they continued to refer to Radar as a kid when he was already 37 years old. This would also explain why the patients that were treated at the 4077th got older as the season wore on, too.
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* It would also explain the increasing darkness and intensity of his breakdowns, from just making one up in a Season One episode to [[{{Main/Break The Cutie}} being bent and broken for good]] in the grand finale.

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* It would also explain the increasing darkness and intensity of his breakdowns, from just making one up in a Season One episode to [[{{Main/Break The Cutie}} [[Main/BreakTheCutie being bent and broken for good]] in the grand finale.



* For this theory to work, it would have to explain the source of the hundreds of wounded soldiers that the 4077 treats. Researchers could be [[CompleteMonster remorseless sociopaths]] back in the day, but it seems unlikely that they'd intentionally critically wound hundreds of people just to maintain the illusion.

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* For this theory to work, it would have to explain the source of the hundreds of wounded soldiers that the 4077 treats. Researchers could be [[CompleteMonster remorseless sociopaths]] back in the day, but it seems unlikely that they'd intentionally critically wound hundreds of people just to maintain the illusion.
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[[WMG: Colonel Flagg is actually StephenKing's Flagg]]

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[[WMG: Colonel Flagg is actually StephenKing's Creator/StephenKing's Flagg]]



With all the talented people in the unit, Klinger needed a gimmick to get attention. Compared to the doctors, nurses, and even Radar who was a gifted clerk with a kind of clairvoyance, Klinger could have faded into the background if he didn't have something to get everyone's attention, so he started wearing dresses and pretended he was trying to get out for being crazy. Any time one of his stunts came close to working, Klinger would sabotage himself. When Radar left, Klinger became the clerk and suddenly everybody needed him. With his need for attention satisfied by his job, he was able to stop wearing dresses and stopped pretended to try to get out of the Army.

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With all the talented people in the unit, Klinger needed a gimmick to get attention. Compared to the doctors, nurses, and even Radar who was a gifted clerk with a kind of clairvoyance, Klinger could have faded into the background if he didn't have something to get everyone's attention, so he started wearing dresses and pretended he was trying to get out for being crazy. Any time one of his stunts came close to working, Klinger would sabotage himself. When Radar left, Klinger became the clerk and suddenly everybody needed him. With his need for attention satisfied by his job, he was able to stop wearing dresses and stopped pretended to try to get out of the Army.



* Sidney Freedman actually offered Klinger a discharge at one point, and Klinger refused it ostensibly because he would be labeled a homosexual in the discharge papers--after he had spent his entire military career trying to convince everyone he met that he was a transvestite.

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* Sidney Freedman actually offered Klinger a discharge at one point, and Klinger refused it ostensibly because he would be labeled a homosexual in the discharge papers--after he had spent his entire military career trying to convince everyone he met that he was a transvestite.
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This would explain how he was seemingly wise for a kid in early episodes, but then regresses in later episodes. He's also fairly good at complex problems at times, but then can't accomplish everyday tasks.

Despite being in his 30s, he thinks of himself as a 15-year-old kid. That's why he gets shy around women and can't drink alcohol.

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This would explain how he was seemingly wise for a kid in early episodes, but then regresses in later episodes. He's also fairly good at complex problems at times, but then can't accomplish everyday tasks.

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Despite being in his 30s, he thinks of himself as a 15-year-old kid. That's why he gets shy around women and can't drink alcohol.
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Just like ''LifeOnMars'' and ''AshesToAshes'' provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army doctors and corpsmen who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.

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Just like ''LifeOnMars'' and ''AshesToAshes'' provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army doctors and corpsmen who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.
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* After sabotaging Frank's efforts to shoot down the enemy plane, Hawkeye and Trapper guide his AA crew to aim for the ammo dump, resulting in its destruction. They have no concept of what the lost ammo would mean to US troops in the sector.
* When a soldier pays off a gambling debt with a piece of artillery, Hawkeye sabotages it. He claims he did it because the gun's presence was drawing North Korean fire, but sabotaging the gun doesn't change it's presence. It just keeps it from being used later to kill North Korean soldiers.
* When a lone North Korean sniper shoots at the camp, Hawkeye comes up with a plan to surrender, and he and Trapper attempt to surrender the entire camp to the lone soldier.
* Hawkeye refuses to fire his weapon at the enemy even when the enemy is firing at him.

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* After sabotaging Frank's efforts to shoot down the enemy plane, Hawkeye and Trapper guide his AA crew to aim for the ammo dump, resulting in its destruction. They have no concept of what the lost ammo would mean to US troops in the sector.
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* When a soldier pays off a gambling debt with a piece of artillery, Hawkeye sabotages it. He claims he did it because the gun's presence was drawing North Korean fire, but sabotaging the gun doesn't change it's presence. It just keeps it from being used later to kill North Korean soldiers.
soldiers.
* When a lone North Korean sniper shoots at the camp, Hawkeye comes up with a plan to surrender, and he and Trapper attempt to surrender the entire camp to the lone soldier.
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* Hawkeye refuses to fire his weapon at the enemy even when the enemy is firing at him.



* Hawkeye helps a North Korean doctor slip into character and assume an identity as a South Korean doctor, then helps him get transferred to a South Korean unit.
* They replace Frank's weapon with various other items, including a toy pistol, possibly in an attempt to get Frank killed.
* When the doctors go to do a prisoner swap at Rainbow Bridge, Hawkeye and Trapper try to befriend the enemy and seem at-ease with the North Koreans and chastise Frank for disliking them. This gives the impression that Americans with guns are bad, but North Koreans with guns are okay.
* When Trapper's friend (an intelligence officer) visits the camp, Trapper and Hawkeye get him into conflicts with Colonel Flagg, wasting the time of two intelligence assets that could be working on the war instead of wild goose chases created by two doctors.
* Hawkeye stands by his Hippocratic oath when he doesn't want to do something, but dismisses it if it lets him do something he wanted to do, like drugging Frank so he can throw a party.
* On their second run-in with Flagg, Hawkeye and Trapper stop Flagg from taking a North Korean prisoner to Seoul by putting Klinger in a stretcher in the prisoner's place. What happens to the prisoner after that is not revealed in the episode, but knowing Hawkeye, they probably fixed him up in a South Korean uniform and got him a job in a South Korean unit.
* When Hawkeye is the pay clerk in ''Payday'', soldiers approach his table and salute him. Instead of returning the salute, Hawkeye raises his right hand in a limp attempt to wave, but this actually looks more like the Nazi indoor heil.

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* Hawkeye helps a North Korean doctor slip into character and assume an identity as a South Korean doctor, then helps him get transferred to a South Korean unit.
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* They replace Frank's weapon with various other items, including a toy pistol, possibly in an attempt to get Frank killed.
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* When the doctors go to do a prisoner swap at Rainbow Bridge, Hawkeye and Trapper try to befriend the enemy and seem at-ease with the North Koreans and chastise Frank for disliking them. This gives the impression that Americans with guns are bad, but North Koreans with guns are okay.
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* When Trapper's friend (an intelligence officer) visits the camp, Trapper and Hawkeye get him into conflicts with Colonel Flagg, wasting the time of two intelligence assets that could be working on the war instead of wild goose chases created by two doctors.
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* Hawkeye stands by his Hippocratic oath when he doesn't want to do something, but dismisses it if it lets him do something he wanted to do, like drugging Frank so he can throw a party.
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* On their second run-in with Flagg, Hawkeye and Trapper stop Flagg from taking a North Korean prisoner to Seoul by putting Klinger in a stretcher in the prisoner's place. What happens to the prisoner after that is not revealed in the episode, but knowing Hawkeye, they probably fixed him up in a South Korean uniform and got him a job in a South Korean unit.
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* When Hawkeye is the pay clerk in ''Payday'', soldiers approach his table and salute him. Instead of returning the salute, Hawkeye raises his right hand in a limp attempt to wave, but this actually looks more like the Nazi indoor heil.
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* When a wounded female guerilla is treated at the camp, a South Korean officer known for torturing prisoners (played by {{Mako}}!) comes to the camp to take her when she is ready to travel, Hawkeye refuses to believe she could possibly be a guerrilla, even after she tries to kill a wounded US soldier (albeit found by the staff collapsed by his bed, with the unit of blood smashed on the floor) and when the officer spells it out that her life meant more to Hawkeye than it is to her, he still refuses to believe him, even attempting to evactuate her, disobeying orders from both Potter and I Corps that he was not to interfere, yet he identified a group of Koreans as guerillas in ''Welcome to Korea'' when they vanished into the woods and started firing on him, BJ and Radar.
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This theory depends on how much of the Cigarette Smoking Man's back story (as shown in "Musings of a CSM") we accept. The theory depends on the similar characteristics and back stories of X-Files characters Bill Mulder and the Cigarette Smoking Man (CSM) and M*A*S*H's Colonel Flagg. Bill Mulder was an agent of the Cigarette Smoking Man who worked with the Conspiracy. If we accept CSM's early back story from "Musings," we also have the fact that both CSM and Bill Mulder knew each other when they served in the Army in the late fifties/early sixties. Earlier in his career as an MiB, Bill Mulder had hunted communists in the State Department. Flagg was a mysterious military MiB who impersonated other officers, carried out secretive and sometimes self-contradictory missions, spoke in hyperbole and threats, and was obsessed with hunting communists. He came with loads of fake [=IDs=], so we can safely guess that Flagg wasn't his real name. It was either (Bill) Mulder or the nameless CSM.

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This theory depends on how much of the Cigarette Smoking Man's back story (as shown in "Musings of a CSM") we accept. The theory depends on the similar characteristics and back stories of X-Files characters Bill Mulder and the Cigarette Smoking Man (CSM) and M*A*S*H's Colonel Flagg. Bill Mulder was an agent of the Cigarette Smoking Man who worked with the Conspiracy. If we accept CSM's early back story from "Musings," we also have the fact that both CSM and Bill Mulder knew each other when they served in the Army in the late fifties/early sixties. Earlier in his career as an MiB, MIB, Bill Mulder had hunted communists in the State Department. Flagg was a mysterious military MiB MIB who impersonated other officers, carried out secretive and sometimes self-contradictory missions, spoke in hyperbole and threats, and was obsessed with hunting communists. He came with loads of fake [=IDs=], so we can safely guess that Flagg wasn't his real name. It was either (Bill) Mulder or the nameless CSM.
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Just like LifeOnMars and AshesToAshes provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army doctors and corpsmen who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.

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Just like LifeOnMars ''LifeOnMars'' and AshesToAshes ''AshesToAshes'' provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army doctors and corpsmen who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.
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Just like LifeOnMars and AshesToAshes provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army medics who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.

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Just like LifeOnMars and AshesToAshes provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army medics doctors and corpsmen who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.



* After destroying the anti-aircraft gun, Hawkeye and Trapper help the North Korean pilot find the ammo dump, which leads to it's destruction. They have no concept of what the lost ammo would mean to US troops in the sector.

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* After destroying sabotaging Frank's efforts to shoot down the anti-aircraft gun, enemy plane, Hawkeye and Trapper help the North Korean pilot find guide his AA crew to aim for the ammo dump, which leads to it's resulting in its destruction. They have no concept of what the lost ammo would mean to US troops in the sector.



* Hawkeye stands by his hypocratic oath when he doesn't want to do something, but dismisses it if it lets him do something he wanted to do, like drugging Frank so he can throw a party.

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* Hawkeye stands by his hypocratic Hippocratic oath when he doesn't want to do something, but dismisses it if it lets him do something he wanted to do, like drugging Frank so he can throw a party.
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Problem is, his usual methods of sowing chaos for The Red King only work on people who take themselves too seriously, like the weaker minds in TheStand and TheDarkTower, or Frank Burns. He was forced to resort to the oft-cited temporal whammy on the medics, but it left his form in the MASH universe in a state of growing increasingly caricature-like. Like faith for those in TheStand, and like ka for those in TheDarkTower, the 4077th's sense of humor broke the Walkin' Dude's power there. Hawkeye and the bunch are, if you will, FunSlingers.

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Problem is, his usual methods of sowing chaos for The Red King only work on people who take themselves too seriously, like the weaker minds in TheStand and TheDarkTower, or Frank Burns. He was forced to resort to the oft-cited temporal whammy on the medics, but it left his form in the MASH universe in a state of growing increasingly caricature-like. Like faith for those in TheStand, and like ka for those in TheDarkTower, the 4077th's sense of humor broke the Walkin' Dude's power there. Hawkeye and the bunch are, if you will, FunSlingers.
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I think [[StrwmanHasAPoint Frank was onto something]] when he accused Hawkeye of mutiny and attempted to have him court-martialed. Examples:

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I think Frank was onto something when he accused Hawkeye of mutiny and attempted to have him court-martialed. Examples:

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I think [[StrwmanHasAPoint Frank was onto something something]] when he accused Hawkeye of mutiny and attempted to have him court-martialed. Examples:



* After destroying the anti-aircraft gun, Hawkeye and Trapper help the North Korean pilot find the ammo dump, which leads to it's destruction. They have no concept of what the lost ammo would mean to US troops.

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* After destroying the anti-aircraft gun, Hawkeye and Trapper help the North Korean pilot find the ammo dump, which leads to it's destruction. They have no concept of what the lost ammo would mean to US troops.troops in the sector.



* When a lone North Korean sniper shoots at the camp, Hawkeye comes up with a plan to surrender, then he and Trapper attempt to surrender the entire camp to the lone soldier.

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* When a lone North Korean sniper shoots at the camp, Hawkeye comes up with a plan to surrender, then and he and Trapper attempt to surrender the entire camp to the lone soldier.



* When Hawkeye is the pay clerk in ''Payday'', soldiers approach his table and salute him. Instead of returning the salute, Hawkeye raises his right hand in a limp attempt to wave, but this actually looks more like the indoor salute given by Nazis during WWII.

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* When Hawkeye is the pay clerk in ''Payday'', soldiers approach his table and salute him. Instead of returning the salute, Hawkeye raises his right hand in a limp attempt to wave, but this actually looks more like the Nazi indoor salute given by Nazis during WWII.heil.
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* That's ridiculous. Radar was just a socially awkward developmentally stunted young man who possessed unusually strong organizational talents and had almost supernatural auditory perception. That doesn't mean--holy crap, you're right. Radar had Asperger's!


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* That's ridiculous. *That's ridiculous. Radar was just a socially awkward awkward, developmentally stunted young man who possessed unusually strong organizational talents and had almost supernatural auditory perception. perception. That doesn't mean--holy crap, you're right. right! Radar had Asperger's!

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*That's ridiculous. Radar was just a socially awkward developmentally stunted young man who possessed unusually strong organizational talents and had almost supernatural auditory perception. That doesn't mean--holy crap, you're right. Radar had Asperger's!

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* For this theory to work, it would have to explain the source of the hundreds of wounded soldiers that the 4077 treats. Researchers could be [[CompleteMonster remorseless sociopaths]] back in the day, but it seems unlikely that they'd intentionally critically wound hundreds of people just to maintain the illusion.



* More evidence of this appears when the doctors are about to go make a swap of wounded prisoners. When Klinger finds out, he volunteers to drive the bus even though Radar was already going.

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* More evidence of this appears when the doctors are about to go make a swap of wounded prisoners. When Klinger finds out, he volunteers to drive the bus even though Radar was already going.
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*Sidney Freedman actually offered Klinger a discharge at one point, and Klinger refused it ostensibly because he would be labeled a homosexual in the discharge papers--after he had spent his entire military career trying to convince everyone he met that he was a transvestite.
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** Alternately, an aging Grandpa Pierce is telling these stories to his grandkids as wartime anecdotes, and he's long since lost track of when their events took place and which of the accounts he just made up.

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** * Alternately, an aging Grandpa Pierce is telling these stories to his grandkids as wartime anecdotes, and he's long since lost track of when their events took place and which of the accounts he just made up.
up. The 1970s or post-70s attitudes are a result of him adjusting the stories to suit, first his kids' tastes, then his grandkids'.
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** Alternately, an aging Grandpa Pierce is telling these stories to his grandkids as wartime anecdotes, and he's long since lost track of when their events took place and which of the accounts he just made up.
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** I don't think I understand what this last point has to do with him being a Communist sympathizer?

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** I don't think I understand what this last point has to do with him being a Communist sympathizer?sympathizer? I suppose that he is associating the U.S. army with fascists? I realize this is all in good fun, but I find it odd and troubling, the implication that being critical of the U.S. military means one should be suspected of being a traitor. Isn't it interesting that, in the 70s, a popular sitcom could have a conscientious objector as its key protagonist? Would this fly today?
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[[redirect:{{WMG/Ptitleg61am70o3b3w}}]][[WMG: There are multiple MASH universes]]
Think about it, the show starts in 1952. Later on it is 1950. An explanation for this is that the show is actually multiple alternate universes. Each universe has differences. In one universe Colonel Potter didn't show up until 1953. In another universe Henry Blake was sent home very early in the war. This would also explain why in some episodes Hawkeye is from Vermont, his mother is still alive, and he has a sister. Several MASH universes exist.

[[WMG: Colonel Flagg appeared in disguise in the episode Deal Me Out]]
Colonel Flagg was a self proclaimed master of disguise and CID man. In the episode Deal Me Out a CID man, played by Edward Winter, appeared and played Poker with several people including Sydney Freedman. In the episode Quo Vadis, Captain Chandler, Flagg asked Freedman, "Didn't we play poker once?" Flagg wanted to survey the 4077 in Deal Me Out, hence the disguise.

[[WMG: The 4077th is a 1970s zone in 1950s Korea.]] Think of ''The Brady Bunch Movie'' and how the Bradys were still stuck in the '70s during the '90s. Well, ''M*A*S*H'' is the same thing, but in reverse. It's the 1970s at the 4077th, but everywhere else it's still the 1950s.

Think about it. If people stayed at the 4077th long enough, they developed '70s sensibilities, '70s hairstyles and a supply of pop culture references that postdated the Korean War. For instance, patients regularly went into the camp with '50s views and left it converted to a '70s way of thinking. In the case of Frank Burns, he attempted to maintain his '50s views while constantly living in the '70s zone and naturally went mad. Also, consider B.J.'s look when he first arrived and how his look changed after he absorbed enough of the '70s atmosphere.

Meanwhile, military officials outside the '70s zone were totally baffled by the 4077th since they could only relate to its members with a '50s mindset. As for Dr. Freedman, he only started to fit in at the 4077th because he hung out there so much. Remember he was actually a bit of an ass when he was first introduced on the show.
* Except Sidney really wasn't that much of an ass, he got along well with Hawkeye, Trapper, and the rest of the crew, he's such a nice guy he can even be nice to ''Frank''. At worst he was mildly surprised and privately amused at the shenanigans going on at the 4077th, which never really changes. The worst thing he did was he took Klinger's own schtick and turned it against him to get him to (temporarily) drop his request for a section eight, which was exactly what Henry wanted anyway because the fact of the matter is no matter how much trouble Klinger causes he's still a good soldier and medic who doesn't allow his antics to get in the way of his duties.
* Also, this area is ''still'' 20 years ahead, and suffers from a high rate of car theft due to the South Korean auto industry stealing specimens of their own future products to reverse-engineer. This explains why Korean cars improve by leaps and bounds with each new generation but ''never quite catch up to Japan and Europe''.

[[WMG: The 4077th is trapped in a GroundhogDayLoop]] This explains why years keep repeating. It also provides an explanation for the above theory: the 4077th went through so many permutations that they advanced onwards to the 1970s, leaving the rest of the world back in the 1950s.
* Except in this loop, the people keep aging, a condition that's unknown to them. That's why they continued to refer to Radar as a kid when he was already 37 years old. This would also explain why the patients that were treated at the 4077th got older as the season wore on, too.

[[WMG: All the temporal continuity issues in M*A*S*H and any disfavored episodes can be attributed to Hawkeye's delusional mind.]]
Technically, this could go as far as it needs to, in order to fit the series into the time frame of the Korean War.
* It also explains why the later episodes became more and more about him, as he descended further into self-absorbed madness.
* It would also explain the increasing darkness and intensity of his breakdowns, from just making one up in a Season One episode to [[{{Main/Break The Cutie}} being bent and broken for good]] in the grand finale.
* ''Or''... He is in fact in a 1970s mental hospital, reliving distorted memories of his Korean War experiences. This would explain both the numerous anachronisms ''and'' the inconsistent time-looping.
** And the glimpse of the mental hospital we get in the last episode is actually the only thing that is real, it's an actual 1970's mental hospital. Sidney Freedman is Hawkeye's 1970's doctor, whom Hawkeye retroactively inserted into his memories as Sidney questioned him about them. The therapy was obviously unsuccessful, as instead of being released into normal life Hawkeye descends even further into hallucinatory madness and fantasizes that he has returned to the 4077th.
*** But in the end Sidney himself sends Hawkeye back, suggesting that even if it is a hallucination of his delusional mind he still has business there he must take care of before he can ever leave and move on with his life, most likely the repressed memory and the final operations he performed on people who very likely never made it. He had to confront the fact that he couldn't save everyone and the fact that peace doesn't mean people stop dying. Sidney leaves the O.R., realizing that this is something Hawkeye must confront alone if he's ever to have any kind of closure. In the end Hawkeye not only leaves the 4077th, but Korea, which would suggest that he's made his peace with all he experienced there and can finally start to pursue a normal life.
**** Or, instead of being sent home, he still has issues resulting in a second breakdown, and is sent to a mental insitution shortly after the events of the finale. Sidney was real and was his doctor in the Korea, he just remembers Sidney well into the '70s.
***** Or, everything, including his final breakdown and war's end, are memories. He just inserted his current doctor-Sidney- into his memories.

[[WMG: It's all a psych test]]
After the war ended, the American government made a deal with Korea, or had them bug out to a neutral zone, because the group had been chosen as a test group to see how long a bunch of people could be kept in a hostile combat zone before they would be more sad to leave than happy to go. The characters who were removed without being pronounced dead, such as Trapper John, had either figured it out or were throwing off the statistics. There were multiple groups subject to this test, and they happened to be one of the groups that were told the war was over after an extra 12 years, and had a bunch of stuff happen that would test the remains of their sanity (The "chicken" on the bus was a final way of hitting the most upbeat person where it would most hurt their spirit, and why do you think Father Mulcahey wasn't hit by any shrapnel, just a shock wave?) This is, of course, entirely justified by the idea that American government agents are allowed to be sadistic psychologists, if it's [[ForScience in the name of "science"]] (or at least with a decent excuse).
* Alternately, it's not the 70s at all: it's actually a test being done in the future, far enough ahead that they don't actually know the difference between '70s culture and '50s culture. They were (will be) using different sets of clones with the same sets of memories, and the same "title" for each character- Hawkeye for the happy-go-lucky manic-not-depressive surgeon, BJ for his PutOnABus partner and BJ for his replacement, Burns for the belligerent thinks-he-knows-it-all, Hollihan for the snarky love interest. Two of the same O'Reilly series clones (Radar) happened to be used for the groups of the movie and the television series.

[[WMG: {{MASH}} and ''TheXFiles'' are set in the same continuity, and either Bill Mulder or the CSM was Major Flagg (Ed Winter's character) from M*A*S*H]]
This theory depends on how much of the Cigarette Smoking Man's back story (as shown in "Musings of a CSM") we accept. The theory depends on the similar characteristics and back stories of X-Files characters Bill Mulder and the Cigarette Smoking Man (CSM) and M*A*S*H's Colonel Flagg. Bill Mulder was an agent of the Cigarette Smoking Man who worked with the Conspiracy. If we accept CSM's early back story from "Musings," we also have the fact that both CSM and Bill Mulder knew each other when they served in the Army in the late fifties/early sixties. Earlier in his career as an MiB, Bill Mulder had hunted communists in the State Department. Flagg was a mysterious military MiB who impersonated other officers, carried out secretive and sometimes self-contradictory missions, spoke in hyperbole and threats, and was obsessed with hunting communists. He came with loads of fake [=IDs=], so we can safely guess that Flagg wasn't his real name. It was either (Bill) Mulder or the nameless CSM.

Also, it is common knowledge that ''M*A*S*H'' and ''TheXFiles'' [[http://poobala.com/crossoverlist.html take place in the same universe.]]

Further similarities between the X-Files and M*A*S*H include:

* Paranormal activity: both shows frequently featured near-death experiences, one episode of M*A*S*H featured the disembodied, self-aware ghost of a dead soldier and suggested the existence of an afterlife. Father Mulcahy often pulls off miracles. And Klinger once ATE A JEEP. The 4077th is located in the Korean version of the Bermuda Triangle where the camp is unstuck in time, fluctuating between the fifties and the seventies, for eleven years throughout a two-year long war.
* Don't forget Radar's ability to hear things long before anyone else could and how he knew what everyone was going to say before they said it, even to the point that they would have to come up with something else to try to trick him.

[[WMG: Colonel Flagg is actually StephenKing's Flagg]]
Problem is, his usual methods of sowing chaos for The Red King only work on people who take themselves too seriously, like the weaker minds in TheStand and TheDarkTower, or Frank Burns. He was forced to resort to the oft-cited temporal whammy on the medics, but it left his form in the MASH universe in a state of growing increasingly caricature-like. Like faith for those in TheStand, and like ka for those in TheDarkTower, the 4077th's sense of humor broke the Walkin' Dude's power there. Hawkeye and the bunch are, if you will, FunSlingers.

[[WMG: Colonel Flagg is [[TheDCU Rick Flagg Senior]].]]
He was secretly evaluating Pierce for recruitment in the 1950s SuicideSquad.

[[WMG: Klinger doesn't want to get out on a Section 8. He just wants to be the center of attention.]]
With all the talented people in the unit, Klinger needed a gimmick to get attention. Compared to the doctors, nurses, and even Radar who was a gifted clerk with a kind of clairvoyance, Klinger could have faded into the background if he didn't have something to get everyone's attention, so he started wearing dresses and pretended he was trying to get out for being crazy. Any time one of his stunts came close to working, Klinger would sabotage himself. When Radar left, Klinger became the clerk and suddenly everybody needed him. With his need for attention satisfied by his job, he was able to stop wearing dresses and stopped pretended to try to get out of the Army.
* More evidence of this appears when the doctors are about to go make a swap of wounded prisoners. When Klinger finds out, he volunteers to drive the bus even though Radar was already going.

[[WMG:M*A*S*H takes place in an alternate universe where the Korean War lasted for almost 9 years longer than it did in the is reality.]]

The proof? The overly lengthy war...the even lengthier hairstyles not in fashion in this universes' 1950's...the surprisingly modern views towards women and minorities...the lack of smoking in later episodes....the lack of military discipline or order...and the relative lack of friction between the Korean population and the characters.
Clearly this show was not set in this universe....

[[WMG:Radar is a [[XMen Mutant]].]]

Or at least has ESP and/or some kind of psychic abilities. Both [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1343016/1/bI_b_bHear_b_the_bRotors_b_bStill_b the former]] and [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1157199/1/ the latter]] have been explored in FanFiction.

[[WMG:Radar is autistic or possibly retarded.]]
This would explain how he was seemingly wise for a kid in early episodes, but then regresses in later episodes. He's also fairly good at complex problems at times, but then can't accomplish everyday tasks.

Despite being in his 30s, he thinks of himself as a 15-year-old kid. That's why he gets shy around women and can't drink alcohol.


[[WMG: The 4077th is purgatory for army medics]]
Just like LifeOnMars and AshesToAshes provide purgatory for Coppers, so the 4077th gives a place for those army medics who have seen too much to work out their issues and move on. That is why it is a mishmash of 50s-70s stuff.

[[WMG: Hawkeye and Trapper pretend to be opposed to the war, but in reality, they're communist sympathizers. ]]
I think Frank was onto something when he accused Hawkeye of mutiny and attempted to have him court-martialed. Examples:
* When Frank gets an anti-aircraft gun, Hawkeye sabotages it to keep Frank from shooting down a North Korean plane that has been dropping (by hand) small bombs near the camp.
* After destroying the anti-aircraft gun, Hawkeye and Trapper help the North Korean pilot find the ammo dump, which leads to it's destruction. They have no concept of what the lost ammo would mean to US troops.
* When a soldier pays off a gambling debt with a piece of artillery, Hawkeye sabotages it. He claims he did it because the gun's presence was drawing North Korean fire, but sabotaging the gun doesn't change it's presence. It just keeps it from being used later to kill North Korean soldiers.
* When a lone North Korean sniper shoots at the camp, Hawkeye comes up with a plan to surrender, then he and Trapper attempt to surrender the entire camp to the lone soldier.
* Hawkeye refuses to fire his weapon at the enemy even when the enemy is firing at him.
* Hawkeye and Trapper operate on North Koreans and Chinese before operating on Americans, sometimes using valuable supplies on North Koreans instead of using them on Americans.
* They falsify documents to get willing, effective soldiers sent home, but send cowards, homosexuals, and racists back to the front, probably to sabotage the units, knowing the presence of cowards, homosexuals, and racists is bad for morale.
* Hawkeye helps a North Korean doctor slip into character and assume an identity as a South Korean doctor, then helps him get transferred to a South Korean unit.
* They replace Frank's weapon with various other items, including a toy pistol, possibly in an attempt to get Frank killed.
* When the doctors go to do a prisoner swap at Rainbow Bridge, Hawkeye and Trapper try to befriend the enemy and seem at-ease with the North Koreans and chastise Frank for disliking them. This gives the impression that Americans with guns are bad, but North Koreans with guns are okay.
* When Trapper's friend (an intelligence officer) visits the camp, Trapper and Hawkeye get him into conflicts with Colonel Flagg, wasting the time of two intelligence assets that could be working on the war instead of wild goose chases created by two doctors.
* Hawkeye stands by his hypocratic oath when he doesn't want to do something, but dismisses it if it lets him do something he wanted to do, like drugging Frank so he can throw a party.
* On their second run-in with Flagg, Hawkeye and Trapper stop Flagg from taking a North Korean prisoner to Seoul by putting Klinger in a stretcher in the prisoner's place. What happens to the prisoner after that is not revealed in the episode, but knowing Hawkeye, they probably fixed him up in a South Korean uniform and got him a job in a South Korean unit.
* When Hawkeye is the pay clerk in ''Payday'', soldiers approach his table and salute him. Instead of returning the salute, Hawkeye raises his right hand in a limp attempt to wave, but this actually looks more like the indoor salute given by Nazis during WWII.
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