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!! Cole Phelps is an [[AssassinsCreed Assassin]].
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!! Cole Phelps is an [[AssassinsCreed [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Assassin]].
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---> [[spoiler:Ira Hogeboom]]: Oh, the fires are only the beginning, doctor... After the fires, everything will be beautiful and clean. Everything will be erased; The world will be fresh and new.
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---> [[spoiler:Ira Hogeboom]]: Oh, the fires are only the beginning, doctor... After the fires, everything will be beautiful and clean. Everything will be erased; The world will be fresh and new.
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!!RedDeadRedemption will be referenced in some way, as will [[GrandTheftAuto GTA]].
Well, considering ''VideoGame/{{Bully}}'' is apparently in the same universe as GrandTheftAuto, establishing a certain precedent for Rockstar games all being in the same universe, it seems rather likely someone will mention John Marsten, or even Jack may show up in some way. I'm also expecting offhand references to Liberty City, just to cement the SharedUniverse.
* Given that great pains have been taken to recreate the real 1940's Los Angeles from the ground up rather than substituting a look-alike (as with LC for NYC and the border territories of Red Dead for the real Western frontiers), it seems unlikely anything that isn't real world will be referenced, at least not in the context of a shared universe. That said, California was mentioned in places of Red Dead Redemption, leaving a SharedUniverse as a possible, if unlikely possibility.
Well, considering ''VideoGame/{{Bully}}'' is apparently in the same universe as GrandTheftAuto, establishing a certain precedent for Rockstar games all being in the same universe, it seems rather likely someone will mention John Marsten, or even Jack may show up in some way. I'm also expecting offhand references to Liberty City, just to cement the SharedUniverse.
* Given that great pains have been taken to recreate the real 1940's Los Angeles from the ground up rather than substituting a look-alike (as with LC for NYC and the border territories of Red Dead for the real Western frontiers), it seems unlikely anything that isn't real world will be referenced, at least not in the context of a shared universe. That said, California was mentioned in places of Red Dead Redemption, leaving a SharedUniverse as a possible, if unlikely possibility.
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Well, considering ''VideoGame/{{Bully}}'' is apparently in the same universe as
* Given that great pains have been taken to recreate the real 1940's Los Angeles from the ground up rather than substituting a look-alike (as with LC for NYC and the border territories of Red Dead for the real Western frontiers), it seems unlikely anything that isn't real world will be referenced, at least not in the context of a shared universe. That said, California was mentioned in places of Red Dead Redemption, leaving a SharedUniverse as a possible, if unlikely possibility.
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A lot of promotional material has focused on the corruption of the LAPD during the setting. Because Cole is a {{By The Book Cop}}, he'll be demoted out of the way at some point. Most likely, this will be the reason for progressing from the prestigous Vice desk, to the somewhat less glamorous Arson, as at some point during the Vice arc Phelps will start to come dangerously close to exposing the department's corruption. Thereafter, the Arson arc will probably be almost entirely dedicated to Cole's own motivation of getting back at the people who dead-ended his career, rather than the 'crime of the week' cases that will probably fill the Patrol, Traffic and Homicide desks.
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A lot of promotional material has focused on the corruption of the LAPD during the setting. Because Cole is a {{By The Book Cop}}, ByTheBookCop, he'll be demoted out of the way at some point. Most likely, this will be the reason for progressing from the prestigous Vice desk, to the somewhat less glamorous Arson, as at some point during the Vice arc Phelps will start to come dangerously close to exposing the department's corruption. Thereafter, the Arson arc will probably be almost entirely dedicated to Cole's own motivation of getting back at the people who dead-ended his career, rather than the 'crime of the week' cases that will probably fill the Patrol, Traffic and Homicide desks.
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!!Captain Donnelly will be one of said corrupt higher-ups
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!!Captain Donnelly will be one of said corrupt higher-ups higher-ups
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* Actually, [[spoiler:there's no indication that Donnelly is crooked at all, just a little too enthusiastic about his job and aware of the realities of the politics involved.]]
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* Actually, [[spoiler:there's no indication that Donnelly is crooked at all, just a little too enthusiastic about his job and aware of the realities of the politics involved.]] ]]
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!!There will be a {{Downer Ending}}
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!!There will be a {{Downer Ending}}DownerEnding
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!!Alternatively, the game will be full of mini {{Downer Endings}}
Just as in real life, some of the cases might lead to the player running into dead ends, leaving them unsolved. And there will be nothing the player can do about it, regardless of skill or number of replays.
Just as in real life, some of the cases might lead to the player running into dead ends, leaving them unsolved. And there will be nothing the player can do about it, regardless of skill or number of replays.
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!!Alternatively, the game will be full of mini {{Downer Endings}}
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Just as in real life, some of the cases might lead to the player running into dead ends, leaving them unsolved. And there will be nothing the player can do about it, regardless of skill or number ofreplays.
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Just as in real life, some of the cases might lead to the player running into dead ends, leaving them unsolved. And there will be nothing the player can do about it, regardless of skill or number of
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If one looks closely at all of the preview screens and videos, Phelps can be seen wearing what looks like a wedding band on his ring finger. Presumably, this means he's married. It seems that during the Vice arc, Cole begins a relationship with German singer Elsa Lichtmann despite his partners warnings to "stay away". Somehow, through a little detective work of her own, Mrs. Phelps finds out about the affair and makes it public, ruining Cole's reputation and getting him swept under the rug to Arson to try and live down the controversy it causes the LAPD when their recruitment poster boy is outed as unfaithful to his wife.
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If one looks closely at all of the preview screens and videos, Phelps can be seen wearing what looks like a wedding band on his ring finger. Presumably, this means he's married. It seems that during the Vice arc, Cole begins a relationship with German singer Elsa Lichtmann despite his partners warnings to "stay away". Somehow, through a little detective work of her own, Mrs. Phelps finds out about the affair and makes it public, ruining Cole's reputation and getting him swept under the rug to Arson to try and live down the controversy it causes the LAPD when their recruitment poster boy is outed as unfaithful to his wife.
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* Seconded, although it crossed this tropers mind that the Investigator part might just apply to getting said achievment(s) during the Patrol desk when Cole isn't technically a detective, or during the Arson desk when his proper title will probably change to Arson Investigator, rather than detective.
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* Seconded, although it crossed this tropers mind that the Investigator part might just apply to getting said achievment(s) during the Patrol desk when Cole isn't technically a detective, or during the Arson desk when his proper title will probably change to Arson Investigator, rather than detective.
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During the penultimate flashback to Okinawa, Courtney shoots the then Lieutenant Phelps in a fit of rage due to his orders that led to burning alive numerous wounded civilians in a field hospital. Even though Jack Kelso gives the order for the squad to get him to an aid station, Phelps either never made it or died on arrival. From there, the entire game is his DyingDream which encompasses his imaginings of what life would be like once he made it back to the USA. All of the partners he's paired up with on the desks are the various elements of his subconscious:
* Stefan Bekowsky is his urge to be more liked by the men under his command, as evidenced by Stefans friendly banter with the patrolman in the 'Fallen Idol' case and his general demeanour. He's also representative of how Phelps thinks he might have turned out (and wished he did) if he hadn't enlisted with the Marines during the war, as indicated by the argument they have over where Stefan was during the war shortly after they first meet.
* Rusty Galloway is an affirmation of how his privileged background as a college student has meant nothing of real value during his time in the war. Rusty even explicitly brings up the point of why his 'old man' bothered in paying for college tuition for Cole in the first place. By the end of this particular sequence however, his pride steps in, hence the reason why the crux of the final homicide case rests on Cole's knowledge of classical poetry. However, the fact that they have to kill the Dahlia killer, and that it gets covered up to boot is actually a final indication of Cole fully acknowledging that his education meant nothing of value as an officer, who should have cared more about the men under his command than the idiosyncrasies of the politics going on behind the war.
* Roy Earle is a manifestation of who Cole has, by this point, realized the men under his command see him as; as dishonest crook concerned only with furthering his own agenda. Furthermore, the affair with Elsa is a sign of Cole's respect for cultures that he should have no business caring about, as seen during the flashback to his interrogation of the two captured Japanese soldiers. His own nature (Earle) eventually betrays him, a sign of Cole finally accepting his own ruthlessness and what an awful officer he has been to his men. Arson is his attempt to discover redemption within himself, and the final manifestation of his personality;
* Herschel Biggs guides him along. Biggs IS basically Cole. A jaded war veteran without many friends to his name, and a 'social basketcase' as the arson captain puts it, the two are identical, hence this is a sign of Cole fully accepting the need to discover the better parts of his own personality, and a more realistic interpretation of who Cole is compared the exaggerated nature of Earle.
* Stefan Bekowsky is his urge to be more liked by the men under his command, as evidenced by Stefans friendly banter with the patrolman in the 'Fallen Idol' case and his general demeanour. He's also representative of how Phelps thinks he might have turned out (and wished he did) if he hadn't enlisted with the Marines during the war, as indicated by the argument they have over where Stefan was during the war shortly after they first meet.
* Rusty Galloway is an affirmation of how his privileged background as a college student has meant nothing of real value during his time in the war. Rusty even explicitly brings up the point of why his 'old man' bothered in paying for college tuition for Cole in the first place. By the end of this particular sequence however, his pride steps in, hence the reason why the crux of the final homicide case rests on Cole's knowledge of classical poetry. However, the fact that they have to kill the Dahlia killer, and that it gets covered up to boot is actually a final indication of Cole fully acknowledging that his education meant nothing of value as an officer, who should have cared more about the men under his command than the idiosyncrasies of the politics going on behind the war.
* Roy Earle is a manifestation of who Cole has, by this point, realized the men under his command see him as; as dishonest crook concerned only with furthering his own agenda. Furthermore, the affair with Elsa is a sign of Cole's respect for cultures that he should have no business caring about, as seen during the flashback to his interrogation of the two captured Japanese soldiers. His own nature (Earle) eventually betrays him, a sign of Cole finally accepting his own ruthlessness and what an awful officer he has been to his men. Arson is his attempt to discover redemption within himself, and the final manifestation of his personality;
* Herschel Biggs guides him along. Biggs IS basically Cole. A jaded war veteran without many friends to his name, and a 'social basketcase' as the arson captain puts it, the two are identical, hence this is a sign of Cole fully accepting the need to discover the better parts of his own personality, and a more realistic interpretation of who Cole is compared the exaggerated nature of Earle.
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During the penultimate flashback to Okinawa, Courtney shoots the then Lieutenant Phelps in a fit of rage due to his orders that led to burning alive numerous wounded civilians in a field hospital. Even though Jack Kelso gives the order for the squad to get him to an aid station, Phelps either never made it or died on arrival. From there, the entire game is his DyingDream which encompasses his imaginings of what life would be like once he made it back to the USA. All of the partners he's paired up with on the desks are the various elements of his subconscious:
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* Stefan Bekowsky is his urge to be more liked by the men under his command, as evidenced by Stefans friendly banter with the patrolman in the 'Fallen Idol' case and his general demeanour. He's also representative of how Phelps thinks he might have turned out (and wished he did) if he hadn't enlisted with the Marines during the war, as indicated by the argument they have over where Stefan was during the war shortly after they firstmeet.
meet.
* Rusty Galloway is an affirmation of how his privileged background as a college student has meant nothing of real value during his time in the war. Rusty even explicitly brings up the point of why his 'old man' bothered in paying for college tuition for Cole in the first place. By the end of this particular sequence however, his pride steps in, hence the reason why the crux of the final homicide case rests on Cole's knowledge of classical poetry. However, the fact that they have to kill the Dahlia killer, and that it gets covered up to boot is actually a final indication of Cole fully acknowledging that his education meant nothing of value as an officer, who should have cared more about the men under his command than the idiosyncrasies of the politics going on behind thewar.
war.
* Roy Earle is a manifestation of who Cole has, by this point, realized the men under his command see him as; as dishonest crook concerned only with furthering his own agenda. Furthermore, the affair with Elsa is a sign of Cole's respect for cultures that he should have no business caring about, as seen during the flashback to his interrogation of the two captured Japanese soldiers. His own nature (Earle) eventually betrays him, a sign of Cole finally accepting his own ruthlessness and what an awful officer he has been to his men. Arson is his attempt to discover redemption within himself, and the final manifestation of hispersonality;
personality;
* Herschel Biggs guides him along. Biggs IS basically Cole. A jaded war veteran without many friends to his name, and a 'social basketcase' as the arson captain puts it, the two are identical, hence this is a sign of Cole fully accepting the need to discover the better parts of his own personality, and a more realistic interpretation of who Cole is compared the exaggerated nature of Earle.
* Stefan Bekowsky is his urge to be more liked by the men under his command, as evidenced by Stefans friendly banter with the patrolman in the 'Fallen Idol' case and his general demeanour. He's also representative of how Phelps thinks he might have turned out (and wished he did) if he hadn't enlisted with the Marines during the war, as indicated by the argument they have over where Stefan was during the war shortly after they first
* Rusty Galloway is an affirmation of how his privileged background as a college student has meant nothing of real value during his time in the war. Rusty even explicitly brings up the point of why his 'old man' bothered in paying for college tuition for Cole in the first place. By the end of this particular sequence however, his pride steps in, hence the reason why the crux of the final homicide case rests on Cole's knowledge of classical poetry. However, the fact that they have to kill the Dahlia killer, and that it gets covered up to boot is actually a final indication of Cole fully acknowledging that his education meant nothing of value as an officer, who should have cared more about the men under his command than the idiosyncrasies of the politics going on behind the
* Roy Earle is a manifestation of who Cole has, by this point, realized the men under his command see him as; as dishonest crook concerned only with furthering his own agenda. Furthermore, the affair with Elsa is a sign of Cole's respect for cultures that he should have no business caring about, as seen during the flashback to his interrogation of the two captured Japanese soldiers. His own nature (Earle) eventually betrays him, a sign of Cole finally accepting his own ruthlessness and what an awful officer he has been to his men. Arson is his attempt to discover redemption within himself, and the final manifestation of his
* Herschel Biggs guides him along. Biggs IS basically Cole. A jaded war veteran without many friends to his name, and a 'social basketcase' as the arson captain puts it, the two are identical, hence this is a sign of Cole fully accepting the need to discover the better parts of his own personality, and a more realistic interpretation of who Cole is compared the exaggerated nature of Earle.
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** Aditionally, Cole's first partner Ralph Dunn is a manifestation of how Cole sees the soldiers that served under him. Which is why he was very much TheGenericGuy and the fact that he never took the initiative but instead lets him decide on where they're going. Kind of like a soldier waits for the officer to decide what the unit would do.
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** Aditionally, Cole's first partner Ralph Dunn is a manifestation of how Cole sees the soldiers that served under him. Which is why he was very much TheGenericGuy and the fact that he never took the initiative but instead lets him decide on where they're going. Kind of like a soldier waits for the officer to decide what the unit would do.
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* Building upon this, the game effectively becomes a deconstruction of tropes such as TheCape and WideEyedIdealist, represented in the game by Cole. Cole is honest, upright and strictly adheres to law and procedure. These are portrayed as admirable, but unpragmatic traits. This is particularly noticeable in the WW2 flashbacks where Cole is shown to be a rigid, inflexible and overall poor commanding officer. In the game itself, Cole's idealism leaves him ill-equipped to combat the institutional corruption of the LAPD and of LA in general. It is only by turning to the less rigid Kelso (as noted above, a far more typical protagonist for a noir story, being an AntiHero) that he is able to achieve anything. Kelso is the hero of the game, because he's the sort of hero that is needed in a noir style plot- more of a Sam Spade, less of a Dudley Do Right like Cole. And yes, I'm aware how close this is coming to ripping off Gordon's speach at the end of TheDarkKnight.
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* Building upon this, the game effectively becomes a deconstruction of tropes such as TheCape and WideEyedIdealist, represented in the game by Cole. Cole is honest, upright and strictly adheres to law and procedure. These are portrayed as admirable, but unpragmatic traits. This is particularly noticeable in the WW2 flashbacks where Cole is shown to be a rigid, inflexible and overall poor commanding officer. In the game itself, Cole's idealism leaves him ill-equipped to combat the institutional corruption of the LAPD and of LA in general. It is only by turning to the less rigid Kelso (as noted above, a far more typical protagonist for a noir story, being an AntiHero) that he is able to achieve anything. Kelso is the hero of the game, because he's the sort of hero that is needed in a noir style plot- more of a Sam Spade, less of a Dudley Do Right like Cole. And yes, I'm aware how close this is coming to ripping off Gordon's speach at the end of TheDarkKnight.Film/TheDarkKnight.
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!! This page is full of [[WordOfGod]]s and/or was mostly written by either a member of Rockstar or Team Bondi
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** I believe the original poster was positing that it may be more difficult for players with Asperger's to deduce somebody's intention through facial tells, not their ability to progress in the game.
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** I believe the original poster was positing that it may be more difficult for players with Asperger's to deduce somebody's intention through facial tells, not their ability to progress in the game.
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!! [[spoiler:Cole's]] death was no accident.
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!! [[spoiler:Cole's]] [[spoiler:Cole]]'s death was no accident.
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***** What's important to note was how [[spoiler:Cole]] said "goodbye." Suggesting how crappy his life had started becoming and how his affair ruined his public image, and how he still couldn't forgive himself after what happened during the war, maybe he committed suicide to escape this kind of life. During the cutscene, it just seemed that he wasn't interested in survival. If he was interested, he would be jumping and would seem desperate to take [[spoiler:Jack's]] hand and escape. [[spoiler:Cole]] does seem like he should know how to swim. It feels like its part of police heck Marine training.
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***** What's important to note was how [[spoiler:Cole]] said "goodbye." Suggesting how crappy his life had started becoming and how his affair ruined his public image, and how he still couldn't forgive himself after what happened during the war, maybe he committed suicide to escape this kind of life. During the cutscene, it just seemed that he wasn't interested in survival. If he was interested, he would be jumping and would seem desperate to take [[spoiler:Jack's]] [[spoiler:Jack]]'s hand and escape. [[spoiler:Cole]] does seem like he should know how to swim. It feels like its part of police heck Marine training.
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This is very much a, "YMMV" view, but throughout the game, Cole seems to act strange in certain situations, especially in interrogations. Most of the time he's cool and calm, never showing any strong emotions, but during interrogations and certain moments, he seems to become bi-polar, getting violently angry or cruel for no real reason (doubting someone, for example, can have Cole basically accuse them of being a scum-sucking murderer). Furthermore, his [[spoiler:affair with Elsa]] which comes out of nowhere, makes little sense. Why would he do such a thing? Because he is really a terminator sent back through time to try and learn about human relationships and dynamics.
Upon arriving in 1947 Los Angeles, the terminator kills the real Cole and then takes over his life, watching humans, their emotions, and attempting to replicate and understand them. While it has an easy time being cool and controlled, emotions such as anger and doubt make no sense to it, thus, the exaggerated responses and accusations are really it practicing those emotions. Furthermore, it's attempts to understand love fail, so [[spoiler:it starts an affair with Elsa, wanting practice at having intimate relationships with human beings, unaware of the effect on Cole's marriage]], and dealing with the fallout allows it to analyze the effects. While it has to pretend to be easily wounded by gunfire and not being able to easily catch someone running away, the experience as a whole is a great success, and the terminator is able to gain a great understanding about the darker side of humans and their interactions with each other.
Upon arriving in 1947 Los Angeles, the terminator kills the real Cole and then takes over his life, watching humans, their emotions, and attempting to replicate and understand them. While it has an easy time being cool and controlled, emotions such as anger and doubt make no sense to it, thus, the exaggerated responses and accusations are really it practicing those emotions. Furthermore, it's attempts to understand love fail, so [[spoiler:it starts an affair with Elsa, wanting practice at having intimate relationships with human beings, unaware of the effect on Cole's marriage]], and dealing with the fallout allows it to analyze the effects. While it has to pretend to be easily wounded by gunfire and not being able to easily catch someone running away, the experience as a whole is a great success, and the terminator is able to gain a great understanding about the darker side of humans and their interactions with each other.
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This is very much a, "YMMV" view, but throughout the game, Cole seems to act strange in certain situations, especially in interrogations. Most of the time he's cool and calm, never showing any strong emotions, but during interrogations and certain moments, he seems to become bi-polar, getting violently angry or cruel for no real reason (doubting someone, for example, can have Cole basically accuse them of being a scum-sucking murderer). Furthermore, his [[spoiler:affair with Elsa]] which comes out of nowhere, makes little sense. Why would he do such a thing? Because he is really a terminator sent back through time to try and learn about human relationships and dynamics.
dynamics.
Upon arriving in 1947 Los Angeles, the terminator kills the real Cole and then takes over his life, watching humans, their emotions, and attempting to replicate and understand them. While it has an easy time being cool and controlled, emotions such as anger and doubt make no sense to it, thus, the exaggerated responses and accusations are really it practicing those emotions. Furthermore, it's attempts to understand love fail, so [[spoiler:it starts an affair with Elsa, wanting practice at having intimate relationships with human beings, unaware of the effect on Cole's marriage]], and dealing with the fallout allows it to analyze the effects. While it has to pretend to be easily wounded by gunfire and not being able to easily catch someone running away, the experience as a whole is a great success, and the terminator is able to gain a great understanding about the darker side of humans and their interactions with eachother.
other.
Upon arriving in 1947 Los Angeles, the terminator kills the real Cole and then takes over his life, watching humans, their emotions, and attempting to replicate and understand them. While it has an easy time being cool and controlled, emotions such as anger and doubt make no sense to it, thus, the exaggerated responses and accusations are really it practicing those emotions. Furthermore, it's attempts to understand love fail, so [[spoiler:it starts an affair with Elsa, wanting practice at having intimate relationships with human beings, unaware of the effect on Cole's marriage]], and dealing with the fallout allows it to analyze the effects. While it has to pretend to be easily wounded by gunfire and not being able to easily catch someone running away, the experience as a whole is a great success, and the terminator is able to gain a great understanding about the darker side of humans and their interactions with each
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** Jossed, because even if he ''were'' secretly gay and in love with Phelps, he still sold the man out.
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** Jossed, because even if he ''were'' secretly gay and in love with Phelps, he still sold the man out.
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** It was also the name of a cemetery in which Sarah Fisher was [[spoiler:supposed to be buried]] in SplinterCell Essentials.
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** He only sold Phelps out because he was having an affair with someone who was A: A woman and B: Not him. Sort of like ''IfICan'tHaveYou''.
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** He only sold Phelps out because he was having an affair with someone who was A: A woman and B: Not him. Sort of like ''IfICan'tHaveYou''.
So, he decided that if [[Yandere he couldn't have him, no one could]]...
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** He only sold Phelps out because he was having an affair with someone who was A: A woman and B: Not him. Sort of like ''IfICan'tHaveYou''.
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*** Doubt it. In real life there are coincidences all the time but in video games, someone had to model and texture that hat ''from scratch'' and then stick it in the game somewhere.
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***** What's important to note was how Cole said "goodbye." Suggesting how crappy his life had started becoming and how his affair ruined his public image, and how he still couldn't forgive himself after what happened during the war, maybe he committed suicide to escape this kind of life. During the cutscene, it just seemed that Cole wasn't interested in survival. If he was interested, he would be jumping and would seem desperate to take Jack's hand and escape. This whole new identity business seems out of character for someone who works in the p
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***** What's important to note was how Cole [[spoiler:Cole]] said "goodbye." Suggesting how crappy his life had started becoming and how his affair ruined his public image, and how he still couldn't forgive himself after what happened during the war, maybe he committed suicide to escape this kind of life. During the cutscene, it just seemed that Cole he wasn't interested in survival. If he was interested, he would be jumping and would seem desperate to take Jack's [[spoiler:Jack's]] hand and escape. This whole new identity business seems out [[spoiler:Cole]] does seem like he should know how to swim. It feels like its part of character for someone who works in the p
police heck Marine training.
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***** What's important to note was how Cole said "goodbye." Suggesting how crappy his life had started becoming and how his affair ruined his public image, and how he still couldn't forgive himself after what happened during the war, maybe he committed suicide to escape this kind of life. During the cutscene, it just seemed that Cole wasn't interested in survival. If he was interested, he would be jumping and would seem desperate to take Jack's hand and escape. This whole new identity business seems out of character for someone who works in the p
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[[WMG: Fontaine has a relative.]]
His name is [[{{Bioshock}} Frank]].
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*[[spoiler: Wouldn't of Cole learned how to swim? It seems like basic police training and Marine training.]]
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** [[YourMileageMayVary Or maybe that's just an old hat.]]
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** [[YourMileageMayVary Or maybe that's just an old hat.]]
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** Also, during ''A Walk in Elysian Fields'' Before he started trying to warn Cole he acted like they'd had a lover's spat.
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* If we're going to base this on stereotypes, he concern about his personal appearence would fit too. Slightly less stereotypical is his comments about how he and Cole look together, and his criticisms about Cole old partners sound like a jealous boyfriend.
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* If we're going to base this on stereotypes, he his concern about his personal appearence would fit too.too, and his dislike of women. Slightly less stereotypical is his comments about how he and Cole look together, and his criticisms about Cole old partners sound like a jealous boyfriend.
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* If we're going to base this on stereotypes, he concern about his personal appearence would fit too. Slightly less stereotypical is his comments about how he and Cole look together, and his criticisms about Cole old partners sound like a jealous boyfriend.
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!!Earle is secretly gay, and in love with Cole.
Look at his face when Phelps announces he's going to follow Elsa. He makes several homo-erotic jokes which seem to squick Cole out, and has anyone else noticed he's actually nicer to him than anyone else? That, and he wears a pink blazer.
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During the penultimate flashback to Okinawa, Courtney shoots the then Lieutenant Phelps in a fit of rage due to his orders that led to burning alive numerous wounded civilians in a field hospital. Even though Jack Kelso gives the order for the squad to get him to an aid station, Phelps either never made it or died on arrival. From there, the entire game is his DyingDream which encompasses his imaginings of what life would be like once he made it back to the USA. All of the partners he's paired up with on the desks are the various elements of his subconscious; Stefan Bekowsky is his urge to be more liked by the men under his command, as evidenced by Stefans friendly banter with the patrolman in the 'Fallen Idol' case and his general demeanour. He's also representative of how Phelps thinks he might have turned out (and wished he did) if he hadn't enlisted with the Marines during the war, as indicated by the argument they have over where Stefan was during the war shortly after they first meet. Rusty Galloway is an affirmation of how his privileged background as a college student has meant nothing of real value during his time in the war. Rusty even explicitly brings up the point of why his 'old man' bothered in paying for college tuition for Cole in the first place. By the end of this particular sequence however, his pride steps in, hence the reason why the crux of the final homicide case rests on Cole's knowledge of classical poetry. However, the fact that they have to kill the Dahlia killer, and that it gets covered up to boot is actually a final indication of Cole fully acknowledging that his education meant nothing of value as an officer, who should have cared more about the men under his command than the idiosyncrasies of the politics going on behind the war. Roy Earle is a manifestation of who Cole has, by this point, realized the men under his command see him as; as dishonest crook concerned only with furthering his own agenda. Furthermore, the affair with Elsa is a sign of Cole's respect for cultures that he should have no business caring about, as seen during the flashback to his interrogation of the two captured Japanese soldiers. His own nature (Earle) eventually betrays him, a sign of Cole finally accepting his own ruthlessness and what an awful officer he has been to his men. Arson is his attempt to discover redemption within himself, and the final manifestation of his personality; Herschel Biggs guides him along. Biggs IS basically Cole. A jaded war veteran without many friends to his name, and a 'social basketcase' as the arson captain puts it, the two are identical, hence this is a sign of Cole fully accepting the need to discover the better parts of his own personality, and a more realistic interpretation of who Cole is compared the exaggerated nature of Earle. Finally, as Jack Kelso takes a more prominent role in the story, he acts as a sort of nirvana that Cole wishes he could have reached. His regrets are washed away by the act of saving Kelso, in which he admits to himself Jack is the person he wished he could be. Other interesting notes include Captain Donnelly, who in acting as a father figure, is actually a manifestation of Cole's real father. His declaration that Cole was 'one of my favourite sons' wasn't at all figurative, it is actually Cole imagining his fathers pride, and subsequent disappointment in his actions. The main crux of the plot includes all of Cole's old unit, who he naturally works into his dream as they are the last people he saw before being mortally wounded. Various inconsistencies such as the L.A. palm tree's being larger than they should have been in 1947 and the presence of the Intolerance set are all accounted for as Cole's own imaginings of what life would be like for him in 1947 crossed with fevered misremembering. The specific details of each case are all constructed so as to allow Cole to progress and solve each one, and the fact that he rises from patrol to detective in such a short time is also explained by the disjointed sense of time within his dream. The fact that events he couldn't have known about back in 1945 such as the Black Dahlia killings can be hand-waved as an eerily accurate prediction or some sort of limited clairvoyance.
* Aditionally, Cole's first partner Ralph Dunn is a manifestation of how Cole sees the soldiers that served under him. Which is why he was very much TheGenericGuy and the fact that he never took the initiative but instead lets him decide on where they're going. Kind of like a soldier waits for the officer to decide what the unit would do.
* Aditionally, Cole's first partner Ralph Dunn is a manifestation of how Cole sees the soldiers that served under him. Which is why he was very much TheGenericGuy and the fact that he never took the initiative but instead lets him decide on where they're going. Kind of like a soldier waits for the officer to decide what the unit would do.
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During the penultimate flashback to Okinawa, Courtney shoots the then Lieutenant Phelps in a fit of rage due to his orders that led to burning alive numerous wounded civilians in a field hospital. Even though Jack Kelso gives the order for the squad to get him to an aid station, Phelps either never made it or died on arrival. From there, the entire game is his DyingDream which encompasses his imaginings of what life would be like once he made it back to the USA. All of the partners he's paired up with on the desks are the various elements of his subconscious; Stefan subconscious:
*Stefan Bekowsky is his urge to be more liked by the men under his command, as evidenced by Stefans friendly banter with the patrolman in the 'Fallen Idol' case and his general demeanour. He's also representative of how Phelps thinks he might have turned out (and wished he did) if he hadn't enlisted with the Marines during the war, as indicated by the argument they have over where Stefan was during the war shortly after they first meet. Rusty
*Rusty Galloway is an affirmation of how his privileged background as a college student has meant nothing of real value during his time in the war. Rusty even explicitly brings up the point of why his 'old man' bothered in paying for college tuition for Cole in the first place. By the end of this particular sequence however, his pride steps in, hence the reason why the crux of the final homicide case rests on Cole's knowledge of classical poetry. However, the fact that they have to kill the Dahlia killer, and that it gets covered up to boot is actually a final indication of Cole fully acknowledging that his education meant nothing of value as an officer, who should have cared more about the men under his command than the idiosyncrasies of the politics going on behind the war. Roy
*Roy Earle is a manifestation of who Cole has, by this point, realized the men under his command see him as; as dishonest crook concerned only with furthering his own agenda. Furthermore, the affair with Elsa is a sign of Cole's respect for cultures that he should have no business caring about, as seen during the flashback to his interrogation of the two captured Japanese soldiers. His own nature (Earle) eventually betrays him, a sign of Cole finally accepting his own ruthlessness and what an awful officer he has been to his men. Arson is his attempt to discover redemption within himself, and the final manifestation of hispersonality; Herschel personality;
*Herschel Biggs guides him along. Biggs IS basically Cole. A jaded war veteran without many friends to his name, and a 'social basketcase' as the arson captain puts it, the two are identical, hence this is a sign of Cole fully accepting the need to discover the better parts of his own personality, and a more realistic interpretation of who Cole is compared the exaggerated nature of Earle. Finally,
*Finally, as Jack Kelso takes a more prominent role in the story, he acts as a sort of nirvana that Cole wishes he could have reached. His regrets are washed away by the act of saving Kelso, in which he admits to himself Jack is the person he wished he could be. Other interesting notes include Captain Donnelly, who in acting as a father figure, is actually a manifestation of Cole's real father. His declaration that Cole was 'one of my favourite sons' wasn't at all figurative, it is actually Cole imagining his fathers pride, and subsequent disappointment in his actions. The main crux of the plot includes all of Cole's old unit, who he naturally works into his dream as they are the last people he saw before being mortally wounded. Various inconsistencies such as the L.A. palm tree's being larger than they should have been in 1947 and the presence of the Intolerance set are all accounted for as Cole's own imaginings of what life would be like for him in 1947 crossed with fevered misremembering. The specific details of each case are all constructed so as to allow Cole to progress and solve each one, and the fact that he rises from patrol to detective in such a short time is also explained by the disjointed sense of time within his dream. The fact that events he couldn't have known about back in 1945 such as the Black Dahlia killings can be hand-waved as an eerily accurate prediction or some sort of limited clairvoyance.
* ** Aditionally, Cole's first partner Ralph Dunn is a manifestation of how Cole sees the soldiers that served under him. Which is why he was very much TheGenericGuy and the fact that he never took the initiative but instead lets him decide on where they're going. Kind of like a soldier waits for the officer to decide what the unit would do.
*Stefan Bekowsky is his urge to be more liked by the men under his command, as evidenced by Stefans friendly banter with the patrolman in the 'Fallen Idol' case and his general demeanour. He's also representative of how Phelps thinks he might have turned out (and wished he did) if he hadn't enlisted with the Marines during the war, as indicated by the argument they have over where Stefan was during the war shortly after they first meet.
*Rusty Galloway is an affirmation of how his privileged background as a college student has meant nothing of real value during his time in the war. Rusty even explicitly brings up the point of why his 'old man' bothered in paying for college tuition for Cole in the first place. By the end of this particular sequence however, his pride steps in, hence the reason why the crux of the final homicide case rests on Cole's knowledge of classical poetry. However, the fact that they have to kill the Dahlia killer, and that it gets covered up to boot is actually a final indication of Cole fully acknowledging that his education meant nothing of value as an officer, who should have cared more about the men under his command than the idiosyncrasies of the politics going on behind the war.
*Roy Earle is a manifestation of who Cole has, by this point, realized the men under his command see him as; as dishonest crook concerned only with furthering his own agenda. Furthermore, the affair with Elsa is a sign of Cole's respect for cultures that he should have no business caring about, as seen during the flashback to his interrogation of the two captured Japanese soldiers. His own nature (Earle) eventually betrays him, a sign of Cole finally accepting his own ruthlessness and what an awful officer he has been to his men. Arson is his attempt to discover redemption within himself, and the final manifestation of his
*Herschel Biggs guides him along. Biggs IS basically Cole. A jaded war veteran without many friends to his name, and a 'social basketcase' as the arson captain puts it, the two are identical, hence this is a sign of Cole fully accepting the need to discover the better parts of his own personality, and a more realistic interpretation of who Cole is compared the exaggerated nature of Earle.
*Finally, as Jack Kelso takes a more prominent role in the story, he acts as a sort of nirvana that Cole wishes he could have reached. His regrets are washed away by the act of saving Kelso, in which he admits to himself Jack is the person he wished he could be. Other interesting notes include Captain Donnelly, who in acting as a father figure, is actually a manifestation of Cole's real father. His declaration that Cole was 'one of my favourite sons' wasn't at all figurative, it is actually Cole imagining his fathers pride, and subsequent disappointment in his actions. The main crux of the plot includes all of Cole's old unit, who he naturally works into his dream as they are the last people he saw before being mortally wounded. Various inconsistencies such as the L.A. palm tree's being larger than they should have been in 1947 and the presence of the Intolerance set are all accounted for as Cole's own imaginings of what life would be like for him in 1947 crossed with fevered misremembering. The specific details of each case are all constructed so as to allow Cole to progress and solve each one, and the fact that he rises from patrol to detective in such a short time is also explained by the disjointed sense of time within his dream. The fact that events he couldn't have known about back in 1945 such as the Black Dahlia killings can be hand-waved as an eerily accurate prediction or some sort of limited clairvoyance.
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*** That might be ''unlawful'', but it's not actually ''corrupt''. It's like the difference between someone spraying graffiti on a wall and someone committing a murder. Sure, they're both crimes, but honestly, which act are you going to be calling evil and which act are you going to consider basically harmless?
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*** He had seconds, tops and the water was up to his armpits when it hit. There was no way he could've made the jump, even if he had wanted to.
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*** He had seconds, tops and the water was up to his armpits when it hit. There was no way he could've made the jump, even if he had wanted to.
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**** It's not a question of whether or not he ''could'' have, it's that he didn't ''try''. He didn't jump, didn't reach up, didn't look around for another way, ''nothing''. If someone actually wanted to live -- or, perhaps more accurately, did ''not'' want to die -- you'd think they'd have more of a reaction to impending death than simply the equivalent of shrugging it off. It's obviously a matter of personal interpretation, but once that water starting rising, I don't think he had any real intentions of surviving if push came to shove. He'd already decided that although death wasn't his goal, it wasn't an entirely undesirable outcome.
**** It's not a question of whether or not he ''could'' have, it's that he didn't ''try''. He didn't jump, didn't reach up, didn't look around for another way, ''nothing''. If someone actually wanted to live -- or, perhaps more accurately, did ''not'' want to die -- you'd think they'd have more of a reaction to impending death than simply the equivalent of shrugging it off. It's obviously a matter of personal interpretation, but once that water starting rising, I don't think he had any real intentions of surviving if push came to shove. He'd already decided that although death wasn't his goal, it wasn't an entirely undesirable outcome.
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!!The reason Herschel Biggs didn't narrate the other cases is...
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Well, considering {{Bully}} is apparently in the same universe as GrandTheftAuto, establishing a certain precedent for Rockstar games all being in the same universe, it seems rather likely someone will mention John Marsten, or even Jack may show up in some way. I'm also expecting offhand references to Liberty City, just to cement the SharedUniverse.
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Well, considering {{Bully}} ''VideoGame/{{Bully}}'' is apparently in the same universe as GrandTheftAuto, establishing a certain precedent for Rockstar games all being in the same universe, it seems rather likely someone will mention John Marsten, or even Jack may show up in some way. I'm also expecting offhand references to Liberty City, just to cement the SharedUniverse.
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!! Rusty Galloway is [[{{Bully}} Mr. Galloway's]] grandfather.
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!! Rusty Galloway is [[{{Bully}} [[VideoGame/{{Bully}} Mr. Galloway's]] grandfather.
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*** He had seconds, tops and the water was up to his armpits when it hit. There was no way he could've made the jump, even if he had wanted to.
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!!Alternatively, Cole Phelps is working for Internal Affairs.
Due to his success in World War II, IA hires Cole to be in the LAPD to investigate the corruption and planted a wire on him. However, so far, they don't have anything yet since he is partnered with non-crooked cops. However, Cole gets the chance to be partners with Roy Earle, who is really corrupt. Because of the wire, IA learns of the affair and plans on having it exposed to get him to nail the SRF. When Roy learned of what they have done, he tries to stop him and IA, but failed. Even though he is stopped from investing Elysian, IA has a backup plan to have Jack Kelso do their work instead.
Due to his success in World War II, IA hires Cole to be in the LAPD to investigate the corruption and planted a wire on him. However, so far, they don't have anything yet since he is partnered with non-crooked cops. However, Cole gets the chance to be partners with Roy Earle, who is really corrupt. Because of the wire, IA learns of the affair and plans on having it exposed to get him to nail the SRF. When Roy learned of what they have done, he tries to stop him and IA, but failed. Even though he is stopped from investing Elysian, IA has a backup plan to have Jack Kelso do their work instead.
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Considering how corrupt the fraking precinct is, it's not impossible for IA to take an interest in it. They get their hooks into someone who is corrupt but can easily persuade with favors and put a wire on him. After the homicide case they want to know why all five of the convicted murderers were let go, so Roy pulls strings with them to get Cole to work with him and hopefully let something slip. Because of the wire IA finds out about the affair and make him sell out Cole as part of a Gambit to get him to pin the SRF. Roy knows how dangerous it is so tries to warn Cole despite them not wanting him to. At endgame when he finds out the assistant DA is corrupt is gets on his good side so they can get all the bad guys in one go.
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Considering how corrupt the fraking precinct is, it's not impossible for IA to take an interest in it. They get their hooks into someone who is corrupt but can easily persuade with favors and put a wire on him. After the homicide case they want to know why all five of the convicted murderers were let go, so Roy pulls strings with them to get Cole to work with him and hopefully let something slip. Because of the wire IA finds out about the affair and make him sell out Cole as part of a Gambit to get him to pin the SRF. Roy knows how dangerous it is so tries to warn Cole despite them not wanting him to. At endgame when he finds out the assistant DA is corrupt is he gets on his good side so they can get all the bad guys in one go.
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!!Alternatively, Cole Phelps is working for Internal Affairs.
Due to his success in World War II, IA hires Cole to be in the LAPD to investigate the corruption and planted a wire on him. However, so far, they don't have anything yet since he is partnered with non-crooked cops. However, Cole gets the chance to be partners with Roy Earle, who is really corrupt. Because of the wire, IA learns of the affair and plans on having it exposed to get him to nail the SRF. When Roy learned of what they have done, he tries to stop him and IA, but failed. Even though he is stopped from investing Elysian, IA has a backup plan to have Jack Kelso do their work instead.
!!Alternatively, Cole Phelps is working for Internal Affairs.
Due to his success in World War II, IA hires Cole to be in the LAPD to investigate the corruption and planted a wire on him. However, so far, they don't have anything yet since he is partnered with non-crooked cops. However, Cole gets the chance to be partners with Roy Earle, who is really corrupt. Because of the wire, IA learns of the affair and plans on having it exposed to get him to nail the SRF. When Roy learned of what they have done, he tries to stop him and IA, but failed. Even though he is stopped from investing Elysian, IA has a backup plan to have Jack Kelso do their work instead.
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!!The reason Herschel Biggs didn't narrate the other cases is...
!!The reason Herschel Biggs didn't narrate the other cases is...
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!!Even if [[spoiler:Cole's affair with Elsa]] is not exposed, the SRF is still screwed.
Obviously.
!!The events of the game is a book written by Herschel Biggs.
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Considering how corrupt the fraking precinct is, it's not impossible for IA to take an interest in it. They get their hooks into someone who is corrupt but can easily persuade with favors and put a wire on him. After the homicide case they want to know why all five of the convicted murderers were let go, so Roy pulls strings with them to get Cole to work with him and hopefully let something slip. Because of the wire IA finds out about the affair and make him sell out Cole as part of a Gambit to get him to pin the SRF. Roy knows how dangerous it is so tries to warn Cole despite them not wanting him to. At endgame when he finds out the assistant DA is corrupt is gets on his good side so they can get all the bad guys in one go.
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Considering how corrupt the fraking precinct is, it's not impossible for IA to take an interest in it. They get their hooks into someone who is corrupt but can easily persuade with favors and put a wire on him. After the homicide case they want to know why all five of the convicted murderers were let go, so Roy pulls strings with them to get Cole to work with him and hopefully let something slip. Because of the wire IA finds out about the affair and make him sell out Cole as part of a Gambit to get him to pin the SRF. Roy knows how dangerous it is so tries to warn Cole despite them not wanting him to. At endgame when he finds out the assistant DA is corrupt is gets on his good side so they can get all the bad guys in one go.
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!!Cole Phelps is an ancestor of [[HeavyRain Norman Jayden]].
Both of them are [[ByTheBookCop cops who follow by the rules]] and [[OnlySaneMan really honest]], working alongside corrupt/incompetent cops, and partner with a cop they don't like because of being corrupt/useless he really is. They don't have a love life, although Cole has a wife, there are no other scenes of them getting together before she kicks him out for his affair with Elsa. Lastly, both of them die saving people from drowning from rainwater, although for Norman's case, it depends on the player.
!!Cole Phelps is an ancestor of [[HeavyRain Norman Jayden]].
Both of them are [[ByTheBookCop cops who follow by the rules]] and [[OnlySaneMan really honest]], working alongside corrupt/incompetent cops, and partner with a cop they don't like because of being corrupt/useless he really is. They don't have a love life, although Cole has a wife, there are no other scenes of them getting together before she kicks him out for his affair with Elsa. Lastly, both of them die saving people from drowning from rainwater, although for Norman's case, it depends on the player.
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!! Roy Earle was working for Internal Affairs !!
Considering how corrupt the fraking precinct is, it's not impossible for IA to take an interest in it. They get their hooks into someone who is corrupt but can easily persuade with favors and put a wire on him. After the homicide case they want to know why all five of the convicted murderers were let go, so Roy pulls strings with them to get Cole to work with him and hopefully let something slip. Because of the wire IA finds out about the affair and make him sell out Cole as part of a Gambit to get him to pin the SRF. Roy knows how dangerous it is so tries to warn Cole despite them not wanting him to. At endgame when he finds out the assistant DA is corrupt is gets on his good side so they can get all the bad guys in one go.
Considering how corrupt the fraking precinct is, it's not impossible for IA to take an interest in it. They get their hooks into someone who is corrupt but can easily persuade with favors and put a wire on him. After the homicide case they want to know why all five of the convicted murderers were let go, so Roy pulls strings with them to get Cole to work with him and hopefully let something slip. Because of the wire IA finds out about the affair and make him sell out Cole as part of a Gambit to get him to pin the SRF. Roy knows how dangerous it is so tries to warn Cole despite them not wanting him to. At endgame when he finds out the assistant DA is corrupt is gets on his good side so they can get all the bad guys in one go.
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!! If this game ever gets a sequel the protagonist will be.....
A:Herschel Biggs
B:Jack Kelso
C:Elsa
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** The idea was to have 5 cases for each desk. Traffic ended up with three, Homicide had five, Vice had three, and Arson had 4 (plus the final case, which wasn't really a case). The DLC brings each desk to five: The Consul's Car (PS3 exclusive) and A Slip of the Tongue for Traffic, Reefer Madness and The Naked City for Vice and Nicholson Electroplating for Arson. According to TheOtherWiki, some of the DLC cases were cut from the original game to make it fit on three XBox360 discs.
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!! Cole Phelps is an [[AssassinsCreed Assassin]].
Not only him, but also his non-crooked partners Ralph Dunn, Stefan Bekowsky, Rusty Galloway, and Herschel Biggs. Jack Kelso is an addition of being a Assassin. The crooked cops like Roy Earle and the Police Chief, as well as the other corrupt officials are the Templars.
