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** [[spoiler:[[http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=131385&no=289&weekday=tue Confirmed!]]]]

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[[WMG:Gandharva was able to [[spoiler:take his sura form in the human realm]] because...]]
* ...his transcendentals had been sealed by Takara. For Nastika [[spoiler:taking their sura form is a trascendental]]. If he had his [[spoiler:sura form]] sealed away by Takara, her [[spoiler:death may have unsealed it]], bypassing the seal Visnu created.

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[[WMG:Gandharva was able to [[spoiler:take take his sura form in the human realm]] realm because...]]
* ...his transcendentals had been sealed by Takara. For Nastika [[spoiler:taking Nastika, taking their sura form is a trascendental]]. trascendental. If he had his [[spoiler:sura form]] sura form sealed away by Takara, her [[spoiler:death death may have unsealed it]], it, bypassing the seal Visnu created.



* We already know some stuff about them already: 1.- That it includes the name of a Nastika, a God and a Human from the ancient human race [[note]]As only those are stated to have had power not the modern ones[[/note]] and that Kali stole them presumably because she "hates beings that are more powerful than her". 2.-) The Sura shelved name was [[spoiler: Raltara's mother and former 2nd in command of the Garuda clan]] and that it was her the only Garuda clan sura that had a Destruction attribute and because it was too powerful, the primeval gods made her gone and Kali took possession of the them. With this in mind I have a couple theories:

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* We already know some stuff about them already: 1.- That it includes the name of a Nastika, a God and a Human from the ancient human race [[note]]As only those are stated to have had power not the modern ones[[/note]] and that Kali stole them presumably because she "hates beings that are more powerful than her". 2.-) The Sura shelved name was [[spoiler: Raltara's mother and former 2nd in command of the Garuda clan]] clan and that it was her the only Garuda clan sura that had a Destruction attribute and because it was too powerful, the primeval gods made her gone and Kali took possession of the them. With this in mind I have a couple theories:



** The name she offered to Leez was likely the one from a member of the ancient human race, and since we know she would have taken Leez's own name, she probably wanted [[spoiler: Ananta's name in exchange.]]

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** The name she offered to Leez was likely the one from a member of the ancient human race, and since we know she would have taken Leez's own name, she probably wanted [[spoiler: Ananta's name in exchange.]]
exchange.



** Spoiler for raw chapters not officially translated, 298 - The Finite (4): [[spoiler:Kali implies it as well. He has chaos powers even though the nastika she became to birth him didn't, meaning she either still had chaos powers when birthin him somehow, or it's due to his own name. He also implies it's harder for her to control his body when he identifies himself with the name Yuta, rather then the name she gave him. This could very well be because the name she gave him is her own, and thus, with her having the stronger ownership of the name Kali, she can manipulate his body if he decides to embrace it]].

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** Spoiler for raw chapters not officially translated, 298 - The Finite (4): [[spoiler:Kali Kali implies it as well. He has chaos powers even though the nastika she became to birth him didn't, meaning she either still had chaos powers when birthin him somehow, or it's due to his own name. He also implies it's harder for her to control his body when he identifies himself with the name Yuta, rather then the name she gave him. This could very well be because the name she gave him is her own, and thus, with her having the stronger ownership of the name Kali, she can manipulate his body if he decides to embrace it]].it.



** [[spoiler:Nope. Tilda was a RedHerring that Saha deliberately set up to take the attention off of the actual Kubera in Eloth: ''Saha himself''.]]

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** [[spoiler:Nope. Nope. Tilda was a RedHerring that Saha deliberately set up to take the attention off of the actual Kubera in Eloth: ''Saha himself''.]]
himself''.



** [[spoiler: Jossed. Saha and Laila are also named Kubera and are normal, high ranked, magicians.]]

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** [[spoiler: Jossed. Saha and Laila are also named Kubera and are normal, high ranked, magicians.]]
magicians.



...is a {{Jerkass}} facade. To make sure that Ran and Leez don't become to heavily associated with her once she's revealed as a [[spoiler:SerialKiller]], she started acting meaner just so they would hate her. However, when she [[spoiler:killed Saha]], her sanity took a nosedive, making her worse than ever.

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...is a {{Jerkass}} facade. To make sure that Ran and Leez don't become to too heavily associated with her once she's revealed as a [[spoiler:SerialKiller]], SerialKiller, she started acting meaner just so they would hate her. However, when she [[spoiler:killed Saha]], killed Saha, her sanity took a nosedive, making her worse than ever.



* She's engaged [[spoiler: well, was,]] to a dude, [[spoiler: Saha]]. However, said person is very feminine-looking.
* WordOfGod states that she's been avoiding said fiance due to this fact (among a few others), as she prefers buff, masculine people. [[spoiler: However, it appears that she did love him, but this only comes up after his death.]] You never know, though- she might be bi, and into ButchLesbian / TheLadette type women.

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* She's engaged [[spoiler: well, was,]] (well, was) to a dude, [[spoiler: Saha]].Saha. However, said person is very feminine-looking.
* WordOfGod states that she's been avoiding said fiance due to this fact (among a few others), as she prefers buff, masculine people. [[spoiler: However, it appears that she did love him, but this only comes up after his death.]] death. You never know, though- she might be bi, and into ButchLesbian / TheLadette type women.
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** There's some support for this. He develops insight and is immune to god barriers, two abilities Suras don't have, but Gods though.
** Spoiler for raw chapters not officially translated, 298 - The Finite (4): [[spoiler:Kali implies it as well. He has chaos powers even though the nastika she became to birth him didn't, meaning she either still had chaos powers when birthin him somehow, or it's due to his own name]].

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** There's some support for this. He develops insight and is immune to god barriers, two abilities Suras don't have, but Gods though.
do. He's also seemingly never blocked discussing matters of higher beings, be it created gods or even primervals, something a Rakshasa, no matter how strong, shouldn't be able to do, but a Primerval should.
** Spoiler for raw chapters not officially translated, 298 - The Finite (4): [[spoiler:Kali implies it as well. He has chaos powers even though the nastika she became to birth him didn't, meaning she either still had chaos powers when birthin him somehow, or it's due to his own name]].name. He also implies it's harder for her to control his body when he identifies himself with the name Yuta, rather then the name she gave him. This could very well be because the name she gave him is her own, and thus, with her having the stronger ownership of the name Kali, she can manipulate his body if he decides to embrace it]].

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[[WMG:Some nastikas are granted fundamental primerval powers.]]
Ananta (and manasa before him) held mastery of time, and Vritra seemingly holds master of space. It's unclear if this is due to attributes or not, but they both seem to have the nastika version of primerval powers, Vishnu and Kali's time powers in Ananta case and Brahma's control of space for Vritra.

[[WMG:Vritra has an Order attribute.]]
It was revealed Order is an attribute that modern humans do not possess. She mentions it as able to discern true names, and in another case as being able to bend space (though not time). Vritra seemingly instictively calls people by their true name, no matter how well hidden it is, and many of his abilities - transferring to the 0 dimension, instant teleportation, and being able to always return to his nest - have to do with space.

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[[WMG: Tilda's real name is Kinnara.]]
* We already know a certain unnamed human recieved the power of the Kinnara name from the original, through Brahma's spear. We also know God Kubera hid that human in the human realm. Meanwhile, Tilda mysteriously did not lose her memories from the Cataclysm, unlike other halfs. She also made Yuta hungry in her presence, and chaos suras have a tendecy to grow hungry upon sensing targets stronger than them in a weakened state.

*As a nastika, she shouldn't be able to age, and it doesn't seem she's aware of any special powers she has herself. But this could be explained by her human origins, and God Kubera using his psychological transcedentals to make her forget her tragic renaming and make her think she's simply a half. She then might have aged her appearance to fit her supposed age, not realizing it's something she has control over.

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** There's some support for this. He develops insight and is immune to god barriers, two abilities Suras don't have, but Gods though.
** Spoiler for raw chapters not officially translated, 298 - The Finite (4): [[spoiler:Kali implies it as well. He has chaos powers even though the nastika she became to birth him didn't, meaning she either still had chaos powers when birthin him somehow, or it's due to his own name]].

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* Has been since confirmed but with no much drama about it, but there's a much longer story to this in the extra chapters.

[[WMG: Kaz has read the Time Records]]
We all know that Kaz is a lot smarter than he appears to be and that the way he seemed to successfully use the Eye of Perishment has led people to theorize that he received an oracle from Kali, but what if it goes beyond that? What if he somehow managed to either summon Kali in N5 she showed him the records where it said that Leez was destined to have tragic life and the universe was going to end soon? May even have been the reason the Chaos suras became so active during that year.
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[[WMG: Who are the "hope" Visnu forsaw...]]
* Referring specifically to the season 3 episode 165, during the chapter "The Weight of Time" while Ran and Maruna are time-traveling their way back to present!Willarv, we see several characters in the past, in this chapter in particular we see Chandra, Shuri, Garuda and yes, Visnu who has a "nice" talk with Chandra who confronts him on his decisions, and he mentions that he has a "hope" in the far future of people who will bring a better future, this is accompanied by a not-colored panel wit several character seen from their back, (see [[https://kubera.fandom.com/wiki/File:3-165_Hope.png here]]) and the prominent one is very obviously Leez wearing the Hide of Bondage, but who are the rest? Here's my theory:
** The second most prominent figures after Leez, are Ran and Gandharva, Ran it's at Leez's right and Gandharva at the right, easy to tell because of their hairstyles and clothing.
** After then we can see the back of a ponytail hair and some feather-like fur, this is clearly Maruna, already in his 5th stage.
** The rest of the figures are too small to make out details and pair them up with anyone, but we can see at least 2 more.

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[[WMG: The shelved names of Kali...]]
* We already know some stuff about them already: 1.- That it includes the name of a Nastika, a God and a Human from the ancient human race [[note]]As only those are stated to have had power not the modern ones[[/note]] and that Kali stole them presumably because she "hates beings that are more powerful than her". 2.-) The Sura shelved name was [[spoiler: Raltara's mother and former 2nd in command of the Garuda clan]] and that it was her the only Garuda clan sura that had a Destruction attribute and because it was too powerful, the primeval gods made her gone and Kali took possession of the them. With this in mind I have a couple theories:
** All of the shelved names are related to the power of destruction and/or chaos (more on that later).
** One of those names was the one she gave Gandharva and the reason he's able to annihilate souls from existence, but he doesn't actually "possess" the name because if he did, his own name would have been shattered a long time ago like it happened to God Kubera and implicitly happened to Kinnara/Airavata and Garuda as well, so whatever process was involved, he has the power of that name, but not the name itself.
** It's likely that whoever was the god or goddess of one of these names was likely something involving or derivative from the Chaos attribute, why? Because when Visnu (Resurrection) and Shiva (Destruction) both disappeared, their aspects were taken over by 2 created gods: Asvisns (Restoration) and Marut (Decay) respectively, as their domain was closely related if less powerful than theirs, to our knowledge there is no god who filled in for Kali's Chaos attribute when she was gone making the birth attribute Nil instead... unless you count Yuta, that's right I believe that Yuta being her "greatest creation" and heavily implied to possess more than one name and way older than what he claims, I believe one of the shelved names is one of a god, that means he would have part of a Sura name, a god's name and who knows maybe he also has a human name.
** The name she offered to Leez was likely the one from a member of the ancient human race, and since we know she would have taken Leez's own name, she probably wanted [[spoiler: Ananta's name in exchange.]]
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per Trope Repair Shop, Jerkass Facade is being cut in favor of Hidden Heart Of Gold / Jerk With A Heart Of Gold.


...is a JerkassFacade. To make sure that Ran and Leez don't become to heavily associated with her once she's revealed as a [[spoiler:SerialKiller]], she started acting meaner just so they would hate her. However, when she [[spoiler:killed Saha]], her sanity took a nosedive, making her worse than ever.

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...is a JerkassFacade.{{Jerkass}} facade. To make sure that Ran and Leez don't become to heavily associated with her once she's revealed as a [[spoiler:SerialKiller]], she started acting meaner just so they would hate her. However, when she [[spoiler:killed Saha]], her sanity took a nosedive, making her worse than ever.
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* WordOfGod states that she's been avoiding said fiance due to this fact (among a few others), as she prefers buff, masculine people. [[spoiler: However, it appears that she did love him, but this only comes up after his death.]] You never know, though- she might be bi, and into ButchLesbian/TheLadette type women.

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* WordOfGod states that she's been avoiding said fiance due to this fact (among a few others), as she prefers buff, masculine people. [[spoiler: However, it appears that she did love him, but this only comes up after his death.]] You never know, though- she might be bi, and into ButchLesbian/TheLadette ButchLesbian / TheLadette type women.

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* She's engaged [[spoiler: well, was,]] to a dude, [[spoiler: Saha]]. However, said person is very feminine-looking.
* WordOfGod states that she's been avoiding said fiance due to this fact (among a few others), as she prefers buff, masculine people. [[spoiler: However, it appears that she did love him, but this only comes up after his death.]] You never know, though- she might be bi, and into ButchLesbian/TheLadette type women.
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** Well duh.
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[[WMG:Leez's divine affinity is 0, but not her fiendish affinity.]]
* During Asha's flashback at the end of vol 2, she says: "Since my divine affinity is low, it could be possible that I have high fiendish affinity". She doesn't explore this thought further, because Vishnu tells her it would be a waste of time, but Leez might be capable of it.
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At one point, Asha explained that there were nine known god-level items created by Vishnu, and one of the items' outlines shown in black is a hairband with ears. We know that the item Rana is wearing stops aging, and Vishnu is a god of time... And it would indeed be embarrasing to run around in cat ears, as a grown woman.

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At one point, Asha explained that there were nine known god-level items created by Vishnu, and one of the items' outlines shown in black is a hairband with ears. We know that the item Rana is wearing stops aging, and Vishnu is a god of time... And it would indeed be embarrasing to run around in cat ears, as a grown woman.
woman. Especially since her husband is deadly scared of halfs. Yeah, the reveal's gonna be hilarious.
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[[WMG: Rana is wearing cat ears under her hats]]
At one point, Asha explained that there were nine known god-level items created by Vishnu, and one of the items' outlines shown in black is a hairband with ears. We know that the item Rana is wearing stops aging, and Vishnu is a god of time... And it would indeed be embarrasing to run around in cat ears, as a grown woman.
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[[WMG:Lorraine is gay]]
She did once call Agni hot, but that's just stating a fact.
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* And the wish will be granted. This guess is based on a few hints early in the story: When god Kubera asked her what she would wish for if a god asked her, Leez jokingly says riches, because "even a god couldn't give her what she really wanted", ie, her village. But if some god, who had reason to feel gratitude, or guilt because they've screwed up her life forever by starting the man-hunt on her name and making sure her dad got killed... Like, say, Vishnu, asked Kubera in all seriousness for what she wanted... Well. When [[Main/Foil Asha]] got the opportunity to ask for a wish, she asked for power, instead of her village back, which was something Vishnu commented on. It makes sense from a story perspective, and for Leez, it's the happiest ending. Vishnu did promise that Leez would "grow to be happier than anyone". But even more than that, there is actual foreshadowing: When Lorraine went to Leez' village with her death-count machine, it said zero. No people had died. She assumed it was a mistake, but Vishnu is a god of time. What if, to fulfill Leez' wish in the future, he transports the entire village from the past to the future, right before the attack? Maruna's attack is so destructive, there's no obvious bodies left behind anyway, so he wouldn't notice the difference, nor would anyone else... Except for Lorraine's machine, apparently. What works against this theory, is Leez' dream in chapter 5, where Leez sees everyone from the village, and Leez' mom says "she has no place in her future", unlike Haaz and Kas, who were spared from the attack. Kubera didn't know Haaz and Kas were spared, so clearly the dream was supernatural. We're to presume they died, but "no place in Leez' future" [[ExactWords doesn't mean they're dead]], just that they're never gonna hang out anymore. Of course, it should leave a bitter feeling, to wish for them back, only to realize she couldn't be with them anyway, but this is [[TheHero Leez]] we're talking about. Even knowing it won't change anything, she'll wish for it, and will just be happy knowing that they're safe and happy somewhere out there.

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* And the wish will be granted. This guess is based on a few hints early in the story: When god Kubera asked her what she would wish for if a god asked her, Leez jokingly says riches, because "even a god couldn't give her what she really wanted", ie, her village. But if some god, who had reason to feel gratitude, or guilt because they've screwed up her life forever by starting the man-hunt on her name and making sure her dad got killed... Like, say, Vishnu, asked Kubera in all seriousness for what she wanted... Well. When [[Main/Foil Asha]] Asha got the opportunity to ask for a wish, she asked for power, instead of her village back, which was something Vishnu commented on. It makes sense from a story perspective, and for Leez, it's the happiest ending. Vishnu did promise that Leez would "grow to be happier than anyone". But even more than that, there is actual foreshadowing: When Lorraine went to Leez' village with her death-count machine, it said zero. No people had died. She assumed it was a mistake, but Vishnu is a god of time. What if, to fulfill Leez' wish in the future, he transports the entire village from the past to the future, right before the attack? Maruna's attack is so destructive, there's no obvious bodies left behind anyway, so he wouldn't notice the difference, nor would anyone else... Except for Lorraine's machine, apparently. What works against this theory, is Leez' dream in chapter 5, where Leez sees everyone from the village, and Leez' mom says "she has no place in her future", unlike Haaz and Kas, who were spared from the attack. Kubera didn't know Haaz and Kas were spared, so clearly the dream was supernatural. We're to presume they died, but "no place in Leez' future" [[ExactWords doesn't mean they're dead]], just that they're never gonna hang out anymore. Of course, it should leave a bitter feeling, to wish for them back, only to realize she couldn't be with them anyway, but this is [[TheHero Leez]] we're talking about. Even knowing it won't change anything, she'll wish for it, and will just be happy knowing that they're safe and happy somewhere out there.
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* And the wish will be granted. This guess is based on a few hints early in the story: When god Kubera asked her what she would wish for if a god asked her, Leez jokingly says riches, because "even a god couldn't give her what she really wanted", ie, her village. But if some god, who had reason to feel gratitude, or guilt because they've screwed up her life forever by starting the man-hunt on her name and making sure her dad got killed... Like, say, Vishnu, asked Kubera in all seriousness for what she wanted... Well. When [[Foil Asha]] got the opportunity to ask for a wish, she asked for power, instead of her village back, which was something Vishnu commented on. It makes sense from a story perspective, and for Leez, it's the happiest ending. Vishnu did promise that Leez would "grow to be happier than anyone". But even more than that, there is actual foreshadowing: When Lorraine went to Leez' village with her death-count machine, it said zero. No people had died. She assumed it was a mistake, but Vishnu is a god of time. What if, to fulfill Leez' wish in the future, he transports the entire village from the past to the future, right before the attack? Maruna's attack is so destructive, there's no obvious bodies left behind anyway, so he wouldn't notice the difference, nor would anyone else... Except for Lorraine's machine, apparently. What works against this theory, is Leez' dream in chapter 5, where Leez sees everyone from the village, and Leez' mom says "she has no place in her future", unlike Haaz and Kas, who were spared from the attack. Kubera didn't know Haaz and Kas were spared, so clearly the dream was supernatural. We're to presume they died, but "no place in Leez' future" [[ExactWords doesn't mean they're dead]], just that they're never gonna hang out anymore. Of course, it should leave a bitter feeling, to wish for them back, only to realize she couldn't be with them anyway, but this is [[TheHero Leez]] we're talking about. Even knowing it won't change anything, she'll wish for it, and will just be happy knowing that they're safe and happy somewhere out there.

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* And the wish will be granted. This guess is based on a few hints early in the story: When god Kubera asked her what she would wish for if a god asked her, Leez jokingly says riches, because "even a god couldn't give her what she really wanted", ie, her village. But if some god, who had reason to feel gratitude, or guilt because they've screwed up her life forever by starting the man-hunt on her name and making sure her dad got killed... Like, say, Vishnu, asked Kubera in all seriousness for what she wanted... Well. When [[Foil [[Main/Foil Asha]] got the opportunity to ask for a wish, she asked for power, instead of her village back, which was something Vishnu commented on. It makes sense from a story perspective, and for Leez, it's the happiest ending. Vishnu did promise that Leez would "grow to be happier than anyone". But even more than that, there is actual foreshadowing: When Lorraine went to Leez' village with her death-count machine, it said zero. No people had died. She assumed it was a mistake, but Vishnu is a god of time. What if, to fulfill Leez' wish in the future, he transports the entire village from the past to the future, right before the attack? Maruna's attack is so destructive, there's no obvious bodies left behind anyway, so he wouldn't notice the difference, nor would anyone else... Except for Lorraine's machine, apparently. What works against this theory, is Leez' dream in chapter 5, where Leez sees everyone from the village, and Leez' mom says "she has no place in her future", unlike Haaz and Kas, who were spared from the attack. Kubera didn't know Haaz and Kas were spared, so clearly the dream was supernatural. We're to presume they died, but "no place in Leez' future" [[ExactWords doesn't mean they're dead]], just that they're never gonna hang out anymore. Of course, it should leave a bitter feeling, to wish for them back, only to realize she couldn't be with them anyway, but this is [[TheHero Leez]] we're talking about. Even knowing it won't change anything, she'll wish for it, and will just be happy knowing that they're safe and happy somewhere out there.

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