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Keep in mind the rings are alive and are possessed with the will of the original bearers. And keep in mind, too, that they respond to the bearer's will. Xanxus's will, as we learn in the Future Arc, is for the Vongola to be as strong as possible- that is why Tsuna is the boss and not him. Xanxus tells Bel's brother this before their [[CurbStompBattle battle]]. If Xanxus's will was the same back then (as it most likely was under his rage), then he himself unintentionally and indirectly rejected the Sky Ring the moment he put it on. When the Half-Ring came into Tsuna's possession, the ring accepted him as its true owner because of aligning with Xanxus's will of building a strong Vongola, with its own will of rebuilding what Primo created with it, and Tsuna's own will to protect, which we learn was essentially Primo's will. The same will that the ring was first lit with. This kind of makes more sense than him not being a Vongola or Secondo's reincarnation, despite being almost identical to Ricardo.
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Keep in mind the rings are alive and are possessed with the will of the original bearers. And keep in mind, too, that they respond to the bearer's will. Xanxus's will, as we learn in the Future Arc, is for the Vongola to be as strong as possible- that is why Tsuna is the boss and not him. Xanxus tells Bel's brother this before their [[CurbStompBattle battle]]. If Xanxus's will was the same back then (as it most likely was under his rage), then he himself unintentionally and indirectly rejected the Sky Ring the moment he put it on. When the Half-Ring came into Tsuna's possession, the ring accepted him as its true owner because of aligning with Xanxus's will of building a strong Vongola, with its own will of rebuilding what Primo created with it, and Tsuna's own will to protect, which we learn was essentially Primo's will. The same will that the ring was first lit with. This kind of makes more sense than him not being a Vongola or Secondo's reincarnation, despite being almost identical to Ricardo.Ricardo.
[[WMG: TYL!Hibari ends up the head of CEDEF, just like Alaude.]]
It kind of makes sense, in a way. It would also explain why ''Hibari'' helps Tsuna and Shouichi in the future. Hibari, who supposedly never helps anyone on purpose according to Hibari himself. If he heads up CEDEF, it might make more sense, since Hibari would become Tsuna's second-in-command in those situations. It would also explain why he and Kusakabe consented to being part of an illusion trick of Chrome's, rather than Hibari's usual method of brute force. Hibari even repeatedly says he's not part of Tsuna's family (though he tones it down considerably as an adult to the point his base connects with theirs- he's more like a surly child whose siblings annoy him than anything). And the CEDEF isn't, except in times of crisis. Which, well, they were in.
[[WMG: TYL!Hibari ends up the head of CEDEF, just like Alaude.]]
It kind of makes sense, in a way. It would also explain why ''Hibari'' helps Tsuna and Shouichi in the future. Hibari, who supposedly never helps anyone on purpose according to Hibari himself. If he heads up CEDEF, it might make more sense, since Hibari would become Tsuna's second-in-command in those situations. It would also explain why he and Kusakabe consented to being part of an illusion trick of Chrome's, rather than Hibari's usual method of brute force. Hibari even repeatedly says he's not part of Tsuna's family (though he tones it down considerably as an adult to the point his base connects with theirs- he's more like a surly child whose siblings annoy him than anything). And the CEDEF isn't, except in times of crisis. Which, well, they were in.
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** Well... [[spoiler: he totally did because his death was faked by Primo and himself, since Primo saw through Spade]]. Sooo....
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Basil is [[TheWorfEffect always beaten up to show how strong new foes are]], making it look like he couldn't do anything, but in the future he survives on his own with only a book and his Box Animal when there are long fights that take the main cast at least two chapters to beat a single opponent at the very least. Why does it seem like Basil is so weak? Because he only ever uses Dying Will Mode. He clearly has the skill to use Hyper Dying Will Mode, and the calm way he acts has probably led many of us to think he's in Hyper Dying Will Mode instead of normal DWM. If Basil ever actually got serious and went into Hyper Mode, he could probably go toe-to-toe with the strongest characters. Basil has the potential to be one of the strongest characters in the entire manga.
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Basil is [[TheWorfEffect always beaten up to show how strong new foes are]], making it look like he couldn't do anything, but in the future he survives on his own with only a book and his Box Animal when there are long fights that take the main cast at least two chapters to beat a single opponent at the very least. Why does it seem like Basil is so weak? Because he only ever uses Dying Will Mode. He clearly has the skill to use Hyper Dying Will Mode, and the calm way he acts has probably led many of us to think he's in Hyper Dying Will Mode instead of normal DWM. If Basil ever actually got serious and went into Hyper Mode, he could probably go toe-to-toe with the strongest characters. Basil has the potential to be one of the strongest characters in the entire manga.manga.
[[WMG: Xanxus actually has Vongola blood and was rejected by the ring for a different reason.]]
Keep in mind the rings are alive and are possessed with the will of the original bearers. And keep in mind, too, that they respond to the bearer's will. Xanxus's will, as we learn in the Future Arc, is for the Vongola to be as strong as possible- that is why Tsuna is the boss and not him. Xanxus tells Bel's brother this before their [[CurbStompBattle battle]]. If Xanxus's will was the same back then (as it most likely was under his rage), then he himself unintentionally and indirectly rejected the Sky Ring the moment he put it on. When the Half-Ring came into Tsuna's possession, the ring accepted him as its true owner because of aligning with Xanxus's will of building a strong Vongola, with its own will of rebuilding what Primo created with it, and Tsuna's own will to protect, which we learn was essentially Primo's will. The same will that the ring was first lit with. This kind of makes more sense than him not being a Vongola or Secondo's reincarnation, despite being almost identical to Ricardo.
[[WMG: Xanxus actually has Vongola blood and was rejected by the ring for a different reason.]]
Keep in mind the rings are alive and are possessed with the will of the original bearers. And keep in mind, too, that they respond to the bearer's will. Xanxus's will, as we learn in the Future Arc, is for the Vongola to be as strong as possible- that is why Tsuna is the boss and not him. Xanxus tells Bel's brother this before their [[CurbStompBattle battle]]. If Xanxus's will was the same back then (as it most likely was under his rage), then he himself unintentionally and indirectly rejected the Sky Ring the moment he put it on. When the Half-Ring came into Tsuna's possession, the ring accepted him as its true owner because of aligning with Xanxus's will of building a strong Vongola, with its own will of rebuilding what Primo created with it, and Tsuna's own will to protect, which we learn was essentially Primo's will. The same will that the ring was first lit with. This kind of makes more sense than him not being a Vongola or Secondo's reincarnation, despite being almost identical to Ricardo.
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[[WMG: Dying Will Bullets are full of [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Power]]]]
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[[WMG: Dying Will Bullets are full of [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Power]]]]
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** Jossed because the message actually reached Primo.
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** Jossed?
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** Jossed. They're different people.
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** Jossed. Official works shows both of them as the mist.
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Pretty obvious. The rampant amount of HoYay, the ArtEvolution that turns up more and more Bishonen, the TheMessiah/ButtMonkey protagonist who's a LauncherOfAThousandShips, the StalkerWithACrush, an entire crime organisation called "Million Flowers" with everyone inside named after flowers as well, the cute babies and even cuter RidiculouslyCuteCritter. Basically a shojo manga with TournamentArc after TournamentArc.
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Pretty obvious. The rampant amount of HoYay, the ArtEvolution that turns up more and more Bishonen, the TheMessiah/ButtMonkey Messiah/ButtMonkey protagonist who's a LauncherOfAThousandShips, the StalkerWithACrush, an entire crime organisation called "Million Flowers" with everyone inside named after flowers as well, the cute babies and even cuter RidiculouslyCuteCritter. Basically a shojo manga with TournamentArc after TournamentArc.
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** [[spoiler: This Arc's BigBad is Daemon Spade, the First Vongola Mist Guardian. In a nutshell, he manipulated the Shimon Famiglia into going against the tenth generation Vongola Famiglia (Tsuna & Co.) because he wanted Vongola to be the strongest. And because Tsuna is TheMessiah like Giotto was, he decided to eliminate the Tenth Gen.]]
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** [[spoiler: This Arc's BigBad is Daemon Spade, the First Vongola Mist Guardian. In a nutshell, he manipulated the Shimon Famiglia into going against the tenth generation Vongola Famiglia (Tsuna & Co.) because he wanted Vongola to be the strongest. And because Tsuna is TheMessiah a Messiah like Giotto was, he decided to eliminate the Tenth Gen.]]
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[[WMG: Counterpart to above, Xanxus is the REINCARNATION of Vongola Secondo.]]
In the same vein that Tsuna is more or less the reincarnation of Primo.
In the same vein that Tsuna is more or less the reincarnation of Primo.
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[[WMG: Xanxus' name is SignificantAnagram and Sdrawkcab Name to Tsuna]]
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Not sure whether his mother named him Xanxus in the beginning but Xanxus' name without the X's and spelled backwards is the phonic romanji to "Suna" meaning "sand or grit." This can signify being loose, ever-shifting, maybe even a sign that the past has withered away. In contrast, the kanji "Tsuna" means "rope" that could mean creating strong bonds and holding things together.
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[[WMG: Xanxus' name is SignificantAnagram and Sdrawkcab Name SdrawkcabName to Tsuna]]
Not sure whether his mother named him Xanxus in the beginning or he had a different name before that, but Xanxus' name without the X's and spelled backwards is the phonic romanji to "Suna" meaning "sand or grit." This can signify being loose, ever-shifting, maybe even a sign that the past has withered away. In contrast, the kanji "Tsuna" means "rope" that could mean creating strong bonds and holding thingstogether.
together. Although the name can also be an EmbarrassingFirstName since Suna is a Turkish girl's name that means either "swan" or "drake".
Not sure whether his mother named him Xanxus in the beginning or he had a different name before that, but Xanxus' name without the X's and spelled backwards is the phonic romanji to "Suna" meaning "sand or grit." This can signify being loose, ever-shifting, maybe even a sign that the past has withered away. In contrast, the kanji "Tsuna" means "rope" that could mean creating strong bonds and holding things
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* If that is a possible case, it could also explain Xanxus looking like Secondo and that all the crimes Secondo committed in his previous life pasted on to Xanxus in terms of never being able to inherit the boss title, or a corrected GenerationXerox where the possible role of Ricardo being just a powerful subordinate to his relative Giotto.
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* If that is a possible case, it could also explain Xanxus looking like Secondo and that all the crimes Secondo committed in his previous life pasted on to passed onto Xanxus in terms of never being able to inherit the boss title, or a corrected GenerationXerox where the possible role of Ricardo being just a powerful subordinate to his relative Giotto.
Giotto.
[[WMG: Xanxus' name is SignificantAnagram and Sdrawkcab Name to Tsuna]]
Not sure whether his mother named him Xanxus in the beginning but Xanxus' name without the X's and spelled backwards is the phonic romanji to "Suna" meaning "sand or grit." This can signify being loose, ever-shifting, maybe even a sign that the past has withered away. In contrast, the kanji "Tsuna" means "rope" that could mean creating strong bonds and holding things together.
[[WMG: Xanxus' name is SignificantAnagram and Sdrawkcab Name to Tsuna]]
Not sure whether his mother named him Xanxus in the beginning but Xanxus' name without the X's and spelled backwards is the phonic romanji to "Suna" meaning "sand or grit." This can signify being loose, ever-shifting, maybe even a sign that the past has withered away. In contrast, the kanji "Tsuna" means "rope" that could mean creating strong bonds and holding things together.
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An expansion of the above point. Not only does Tsuna share an UncannyFamilyResemblance with Primo, but Yamamoto also appears to look exactly the same as the first Vongola rain guarding (their similarities is even lampshaded by Reborn). In addition, every single guardian is supposed to use weapons based on the ones used by their first generation counterparts. Finally this manga is called [[MeaningfulName Reborn]] and features gun-toting infants and pacifiers that are ArtifactofDoom so anything is possible...
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An expansion of the above point. Not only does Tsuna share an UncannyFamilyResemblance with Primo, but Yamamoto also appears to look exactly the same as the first Vongola rain guarding (their similarities is even lampshaded by Reborn). In addition, every single guardian is supposed to use weapons based on the ones used by their first generation counterparts. Finally this manga is called [[MeaningfulName Reborn]] and features gun-toting infants and pacifiers that are ArtifactofDoom ArtifactOfDoom so anything is possible...
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* If that is a possible case, it could also explain Xanxus looking like Secondo and that all the crimes Secondo committed in his previous life pasted on to Xanxus in terms of never being able to inherit the boss title, or a corrected GenerationXerox where the possible role of Ricardo being just a powerful subordinate to his relative Giotto.
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[[WMG: Basil is actually one of the strongest characters, we'll just never see it.]]
Basil is [[TheWorfEffect always beaten up to show how strong new foes are]], making it look like he couldn't do anything, but in the future he survives on his own with only a book and his Box Animal when there are long fights that take the main cast at least two chapters to beat a single opponent at the very least. Why does it seem like Basil is so weak? Because he only ever uses Dying Will Mode. He clearly has the skill to use Hyper Dying Will Mode, and the calm way he acts has probably led many of us to think he's in Hyper Dying Will Mode instead of normal DWM. If Basil ever actually got serious and went into Hyper Mode, he could probably go toe-to-toe with the strongest characters. Basil has the potential to be one of the strongest characters in the entire manga.
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[[WMG: Basil is actually one of the strongest characters, we'll just never see it.]]
Basil is [[TheWorfEffect always beaten up to show how strong new foes are]], making it look like he couldn't do anything, but in the future he survives on his own with only a book and his Box Animal when there are long fights that take the main cast at least two chapters to beat a single opponent at the very least. Why does it seem like Basil is so weak? Because he only ever uses Dying Will Mode. He clearly has the skill to use Hyper Dying Will Mode, and the calm way he acts has probably led many of us to think he's in Hyper Dying Will Mode instead of normal DWM. If Basil ever actually got serious and went into Hyper Mode, he could probably go toe-to-toe with the strongest characters. Basil has the potential to be one of the strongest characters in the entire manga.
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* I like that theory, taking into account that in their world reincarnation isn't just real, there's characters who actively use it as part of their techniques.
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* [[spoiler: Lal is an adult in the future because she isn't a full Arcobaleno, meaning she can age.]]
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* Jossed. Checker Face [[spoiler: aka. Kawahira]] is behind everything.
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**Jossed. It is Uncle Kawahira.
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[[WMG: Kawashiro Oji-san will make an appearance in the Rainbow Arc]]
The old man just happened to help them in the future when they were about to be 'fried' (quite literally by Zakuro). I am sure Tsuna and the group will be in a pretty sticky situation soon, and make him appear again. (They aren't strong enough to face Bermuda yet) Kawashiro also has the Eighth Flame, making him a very useful asset.
The old man just happened to help them in the future when they were about to be 'fried' (quite literally by Zakuro). I am sure Tsuna and the group will be in a pretty sticky situation soon, and make him appear again. (They aren't strong enough to face Bermuda yet) Kawashiro also has the Eighth Flame, making him a very useful asset.
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[[WMG: Kawashiro Kawahira Oji-san will make an appearance in the Rainbow Arc]]
The old man just happened to help them in the future when they were about to be 'fried' (quite literally by Zakuro). I am sure Tsuna and the group will be in a pretty sticky situation soon, and make him appear again. (They aren't strong enough to face Bermuda yet)Kawashiro Kawahira also has the Eighth Flame, making him a very useful asset.
The old man just happened to help them in the future when they were about to be 'fried' (quite literally by Zakuro). I am sure Tsuna and the group will be in a pretty sticky situation soon, and make him appear again. (They aren't strong enough to face Bermuda yet)
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** OMG It actually happened? Chapter 404 Checker Face reveals himself to be Kawashiro Kawahira Oji-san. Seriously? Like [[MillionToOneChance what were the chances of that?!]]
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*** I can so imagine the Vongola having tea with Checker Face now, along with a good bowl of soggy Ramen.
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**OMG It actually happened? Chapter 404 Checker Face reveals himself to be Kawashiro Oji-san. Seriously? Like [[what were the chances of that?! MillionToOneChance]]
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** Hibari has the strength and badass-ness of a thousand people, though.
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*** [[spoiler:Jossed, Fran picked the Kokuyo gang]]
*** [[spoiler:Jossed, Fran picked the Kokuyo gang]]
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It would explain why the strongest people in KHR! couldn't do much against him. Also Small Gia said that that Tsuna "will be of no use at all as long as Bermuda and Jager are together". It would imply that Vindice draw their power from Bermuda and are considerably weekend when being away from him. Thus the other Vindice were so easily defeated because Bermuda wasn't around. It means that Jager can’t be beaten by a brutal force alone. In order to defeat him Reborn will activate his present to drive Bermuda away so that Tsuna can fight Jager on equal terms.
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It would explain why the strongest people in KHR! couldn't do much against him. Also after being defeated Small Gia said that that Tsuna "will be of no use at all as long as Bermuda and Jager are together". It would imply that Vindice draw their power from Bermuda and are considerably weekend weakened when being away from him. Thus the other Vindice were so easily defeated because Bermuda wasn't around. It means that Jager can’t be beaten by a brutal force alone. In order to defeat him Reborn will activate his present to drive Bermuda away so that Tsuna can fight Jager on equal terms.
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It would explain why the strongest people in KHR!couldn't do much against him. Also Small Gia said that that Tsuna "will be of no use at all as long as Bermuda and Jager are together". It would imply that Vindice draw their power from Bermuda and are considerably weekend when being away from him. Thus the other Vindice were so easily defeated because Bermuda wasn't around. It means that Jager can’t be beaten by a brutal force alone. In order to defeat him Reborn will activate his present to drive Bermuda away so that Tsuna can fight Jager on equal terms.
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It would explain why the strongest people in KHR!couldn't KHR! couldn't do much against him. Also Small Gia said that that Tsuna "will be of no use at all as long as Bermuda and Jager are together". It would imply that Vindice draw their power from Bermuda and are considerably weekend when being away from him. Thus the other Vindice were so easily defeated because Bermuda wasn't around. It means that Jager can’t be beaten by a brutal force alone. In order to defeat him Reborn will activate his present to drive Bermuda away so that Tsuna can fight Jager on equal terms.
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** Jossed Hibari was observing Jager fight and joined in. Tsuna had to [[BadassinDistress save him though.]]]]
[[WMG: Jager is a PuzzleBoss.]]
It would explain why the strongest people in KHR!couldn't do much against him. Also Small Gia said that that Tsuna "will be of no use at all as long as Bermuda and Jager are together". It would imply that Vindice draw their power from Bermuda and are considerably weekend when being away from him. Thus the other Vindice were so easily defeated because Bermuda wasn't around. It means that Jager can’t be beaten by a brutal force alone. In order to defeat him Reborn will activate his present to drive Bermuda away so that Tsuna can fight Jager on equal terms.
[[WMG: Jager is a PuzzleBoss.]]
It would explain why the strongest people in KHR!couldn't do much against him. Also Small Gia said that that Tsuna "will be of no use at all as long as Bermuda and Jager are together". It would imply that Vindice draw their power from Bermuda and are considerably weekend when being away from him. Thus the other Vindice were so easily defeated because Bermuda wasn't around. It means that Jager can’t be beaten by a brutal force alone. In order to defeat him Reborn will activate his present to drive Bermuda away so that Tsuna can fight Jager on equal terms.
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[[WMG: HIbari is the twelfth member of the allied team.]]
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[[WMG: HIbari Hibari is the twelfth thirteenth member of the allied team.]]
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[[WMG: HIbari is the twelfth member of the allied team.]]
The others from reborn wikia are:
Commando Unit
1.Tsunayoshi Sawada
2.Enma Kozato
3.Basil (eliminated)
Elite Members
4Xanxus
5Superbi Squalo
6Mukuro Rokudo
7Byakuran
8Dino
9Hayato Gokudera (eliminated)
10Takeshi Yamamoto (eliminated)
11Chrome Dokuro
12Flan
Helpers
Shoichi Irie (technology)
Spanner (technology)
Rescue Members
Ryohei Sasagawa
There are 13 watches in total, one watch left.
Hibari is doing something.
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[[WMG: The real identity of Chcecker Face is not Uncle Kawahira but Kusakabe Tetsuya.]]
It may seemingly not make much sense plot-wise but there are several hints it might be the case. Firstly Kusakabe was there right from the beginning, so he could easily observe our protagonists (along with Reborn). Secondly there is more to him than meets the eye: He easily puts up with Hibari and he also possesses an inhuman strength. Thirdly Chceker Face and him have identical chins. And mind you, Kusakabe is the only prominent character with such a chin.
[[WMG: The real identity of Chcecker Face is not Uncle Kawahira but Kusakabe Tetsuya.]]
It may seemingly not make much sense plot-wise but there are several hints it might be the case. Firstly Kusakabe was there right from the beginning, so he could easily observe our protagonists (along with Reborn). Secondly there is more to him than meets the eye: He easily puts up with Hibari and he also possesses an inhuman strength. Thirdly Chceker Face and him have identical chins. And mind you, Kusakabe is the only prominent character with such a chin.
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* This Arc has concluded, so no, that wasn't the case. (But Tsuna ''is'' still insisting that [[InsistentTerminology he does not want to be the next Vongola Boss]], despite having TakenALevelInBadass in the latest Arc.)
** [[spoiler: This Arc's BigBad is Daemon Spade, the First Vongola Mist Guardian. In a nutshell, he manipulated the Shimon Famiglia into going against the tenth generation Vongola Famiglia (Tsuna & Co.) because he wanted Vongola to be the strongest. And because Tsuna is TheMessiah like Giotto was, he decided to eliminate the Tenth Gen.]]
** [[spoiler: This Arc's BigBad is Daemon Spade, the First Vongola Mist Guardian. In a nutshell, he manipulated the Shimon Famiglia into going against the tenth generation Vongola Famiglia (Tsuna & Co.) because he wanted Vongola to be the strongest. And because Tsuna is TheMessiah like Giotto was, he decided to eliminate the Tenth Gen.]]
