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[[WMG: This franchise will cross over with the DCEU, and is part of that multiverse]]
In an adaptation of Three Jokers, Jared Leto, Joaquin Phoenix and one other Joker (either Nicholson or someone new) will costar.

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In an adaptation of Three Jokers, Jared Leto, this film's Joker and one other Joker (either Nicholson or someone new) will costar.

In the scene were Arthur and Bruce meet, Bruce already seems to be a miserable, lonely boy... contrasting with practically all other versions of the story where Bruce is normal until the murder of his parents darkens his mood forever. This may mean that living in Thomas Wayne's household is already miserable to him. So when a rioter kills Thomas and Martha, the murder is not such a game changer that it inspires him to become a nutjob vigilante. He thus grows up a much happier, well adjusted man. Besides, this universe is much more realistic than any other DC universe, so becoming a superhero dressed as a flying mammal is out of the question (see for example how this Joker is not particularly charismatic or smart).

In the scene were Arthur and Bruce meet, Bruce already seems to be a miserable, lonely boy... contrasting with practically all other versions of the story where Bruce is normal until the murder of his parents darkens his mood forever. This means that living in Thomas Wayne's household is already a nightmare to him, what with Thomas implied to be a bastard in this film. When a rioter kills Thomas and Martha, he relieves Bruce from the living hell his asshole parents were inflicting upon him. Sure, he's traumatized, but since the Waynes already pulled that little number on Bruce before, the murder is not such a game changer that it may inspire him to become a nutjob vigilante and in fact comes as kind of a relief. He thus grows up a much happier, well adjusted man. Besides, this universe is much more realistic than any other DC universe, so becoming a superhero dressed as a flying mammal is out of the question (see for example how this Joker is not particularly charismatic or smart).

* At some point shortly after the events of the film, the riot Arthur inspired will die down, and the rest of the city's elite will work to improve Gotham's state with increased charitable donations (much like how Alfred mentioned people responding to the Waynes' deaths in ''Film/BatmanBegins''). As a result, while Arthur eventually either died in Arkham, was executed, or just became too old to do anything physically active, shortly after Bruce returns to Gotham and goes 'public' as Batman, someone of a similar age will be inspired by the tales of the old riots to take up Arthur's look, but take it to the next level to become the truly twisted, remorseless Joker we all love to hate (as opposed to Arthur, who could almost be sympathetic and is shown to have a degree of standards when he spares someone who was never cruel to him).

** Geez, and also take into consideration that ''there are'' interesting Dc Comics supervillains outside of Batman's RogueGallery. There are people who could fill up a film easily such as Brainiac, General Zod, Manchester Black, Mr. Mxyzptlk, the Ultrahumanite, Vandal Savage, Parallax, Gorilla Grodd, Maxwell Lord, Giganta, Black Adam, Doctor Light, Circe, ... Also notice that the ''Joker'' film really bent the traditional Joker out of shape to do this movie. By this standard, Luthor or any other antagonist could be given an unorthodox background as well to make an interesting standalone film.

[[WMG: In this version of the story Bruce Wayne doesn't grow up to become Batman.]]
In the scene were Arthur and Bruce meet, Bruce already seems to be a miserable, lonely boy... contrasting with practically all other versions of the story where Bruce is normal until the murder of his parents darkens his mood forever. This means that living in Thomas Wayne's household is already a nightmare to him, what with Thomas implied to be a bastard in this film. When a rioter kills Thomas and Martha, he relieves Bruce from the living hell his asshole parents were inflicting upon him. Sure, he's traumatized, but since the Waynes already pulled that little number on Bruce before, the murder is not such a game changer that it may inspire him to become a nutjob vigilante and in fact comes as kind of a relief. He thus grows up a much happier, well adjusted man. Besides, this universe is much more realistic than any other DC universe, so becoming a superhero dressed as a flying mammal is out of the question (see for example how this Joker is not particularly charismatic or smart).

[[WMG: Alternatively, this version of Bruce Wayne will grow up to be Batman, but with a twist in terms of methods.]]

In the scene were Arthur and Bruce meet, Bruce already seems to be a miserable, lonely boy. This means that living in Thomas Wayne's household is already a nightmare to him, what with Thomas implied to be a bastard in this film. When a rioter kills Thomas and Martha, he relieves Bruce from the living hell his asshole parents were inflicting upon him. Sure, he's traumatized, but since the Waynes already pulled that little number on Bruce before, the murder is not such a game changer that it may inspire him to become a nutjob vigilante and in fact comes as kind of a relief. He thus grows up a much happier, well adjusted man. Besides, this universe is much more realistic than any other DC universe, so becoming a superhero dressed as a flying mammal is out of the question (see for example how this Joker is not particularly charismatic or smart).

In the scene were Arthur and Bruce meet, Bruce already seems to be a miserable, lonely boy. This means that living in Thomas Wayne's household is already a nightmare to him, what with Thomas implied to be a bastard in this film. When a rioter kills Thomas and Martha, he relieves Bruce from the living hell his asshole parents were inflicting upon him. Sure, he's traumatized, but since the Waynes already pulled that little number on Bruce before, the murder is not such a game changer that it may inspire him to become a nutjob vigilante and in fact it comes as kind of a relief. He thus grows up a much happier man. Besides, this universe is much more realistic than any other DC universe, so becoming a superhero dressed as a flying mammal is out of the question (see for example how this Joker is not particularly charismatic or smart).

First of all, he will occasionally use a [[HourOfPower temporary]] [[SuperSerum that enhances his strength, speed, durability, and leap]] and he'll only whenever facing a superhuman opponent. This SuperSerum will be created with fictional plants that Wayne Enterprises scientists discover in some foreign country. This SuperSerum will serve as a GoodCounterpart to Bane's Venom Super-Steroid assuming Bane ever shows up in a sequel. Secondly, he will use lethal force, but ONLY on evil people as a last resort when literally all other options have failed.

[[WMG: Alfred Pennyworth is Fleck's father.]]]]

In the scene were Arthur and Bruce meet, Bruce already seems to be a miserable, lonely boy. This means that living in Thomas Wayne's household is already a nightmare to him, what with Thomas implied to be a bastard in this film. When a rioter kills Thomas and Martha, he relieves Bruce from the living hell his asshole parents were inflicting upon him. Sure, he's traumatized, but since the Waynes already pulled that little number on Bruce before, the murder is not such a game changer that it may inspire him to become a nutjob vigilante and in fact it comes as kind of a relief. He thus grows up a much happier man.

That is why he immediately knows what Arthur is trying to say when they meet and how can he be so damn sure that there was nothing between Wayne and Arthur's mother. And why despite his impertinent laughter, Alfred was trying to be kind to him by telling him to avoid making a fool of himself. It would also make Arthur's humilliation more complete since his mother could have been Mrs. Penny Pennyworth.

In the scene were Arthur and Bruce meet, Bruce already seems to be a miserable, lonely boy. This means that living in Thomas Wayne's household is already a nightmare to him, what with Thomas implied to be a bastard in this film. When a rioter kills Thomas and Martha, he relieves Bruce from the living hell his asshole parents were inflicting upon him. He goes on to becomes a happier man without Batman's crippling traumas.

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That is why he immediately knows what Arthur is trying to say when they meet and how can he be so damn sure that there was nothing between Wayne and Arthur's mother. And why despite his impertinent laughter, Alfred was trying to be kind to him. It would also make Arthur's humilliation more complete since his mother could have been Mrs. Penny Pennyworth.

[[WMG: In this version of the story Bruce Wayne doesn't grow up to become Batman.]]]]
In the scene were Arthur and Bruce meet, Bruce already seems to be a miserable, lonely boy. This means that living in Thomas Wayne's household is already a nightmare to him, what with Thomas implied to be a bastard in this film. When a rioter kills Thomas and Martha, he relieves Bruce from the living hell his asshole parents were inflicting upon him. He goes on to becomes a happier man without Batman's crippling traumas.
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Arthur will find out that his followers have turned the steps into a pilgrimage spot and be annoyed at them for brainlessly imitating him. He'll make his displeasure known by killing of them and throwing them down the steps.

When Arthur shot Murray on live TV dressed as a clown, it inspired other troubled individuals to put on a bright colorful costume and release their frustration onto the world. Arthur was the first to do this.

[[WMG: Costume villains today exist because of Arthur Fleck.]]