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Building on from the above WMG that [[spoiler:the papers supporting Thomas Wayne's claims that Arthur was adopted]], this pushes him even further into villain territory: [[spoiler: it would be just as plausible that Thomas Wayne had {{Dirty Cop}}s under his employ beat Arthur after staging a raid on Penny's apartment so he could get her committed to Arkham Asylum and lobotomized, in order to further flesh out his plan and cover up his disgraceful tie to a bastard son with some lowborn "commoner" woman. The story of Arthur being abused by his mother's BastardBoyfriend was a fake, but the injuries were real.]]

[[WMG: ''Joker'' is set in a surprisingly fair shared universe with all of the following....]]

''The Wolf Of Wall Street''

''Centurion''

''The Shield''

''Sons Of Anarchy''

''HBO's Spawn''

''The Northman''

''Breaking Bad''

''The Incredibles''

''Transformers Prime''

[[WMG: This Bruce Wayne grows up to become Owlman]]
With the image of Joker and clowns being symbolic of fighting against corruption.

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Now, this is assuming that the events that take place in the film with Arthur showing up on his show are real. It seems odd that Murry would invite Arthur onto his show for bombing at his first comedy gig unless there was something else (the idea of Murry inviting Arthur onto the show to continue to mock him doesn't make sense either, as the audience reaction doesn't really indicate anything about Arthur being a popular enough failure to be brought on). The real reason why Murry invited Arthur to be on the show was to actually talk with him about why he wanted to be a comedian and maybe even offer a chance to learn how to be comedic from either Murry's writing staff (who may have supplied some of his material for the show, which is common for comedic talk show hosts in the 1980s) or maybe from Murry himself (this would explain why Murry seems rather friendly towards Arthur and accommodate his request to be called Joker, because he sees Arthur's potential). However, when Arthur comes out on the show, Murry plays to some of Arthur's quirks, figuring that as a potential comedian that Arthur would get what he was doing and play along (this would explain Murry's joke about Arthur having to look up the knock, knock joke, as well as Murry saying "this is a family show" when Arthur tells a rather dark joke, Murry figuring that Arthur was setting up the potential jokes for laughs). Essentially, Murry was trying to help Arthur, but when Arthur admits the truth about what he's done, Murry realizes too late what kind of person Arthur was. This can serve as both a Tear Jerker and a Hope Spot, because Murry may have been trying to open the door for Arthur to become the comedian he wanted to be and to give Arthur a father figure, only for that dream to be ripped away without Arthur even knowing.

* RonTheDeathEater, much?