Follow TV Tropes

Following

History WMG / JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Could HAVE, not could of.


I dont remember anything in canon to disprove this, so why not? We don't have any background on Nny, except his parents were killed by a bad man, his dad could of been killed by some murderer, but what if Johnny considers himself to be a bad man, and what if he thinks he's the reason his mom died, it kind of makes sense in a way.

to:

I dont remember anything in canon to disprove this, so why not? We don't have any background on Nny, except his parents were killed by a bad man, his dad could of have been killed by some murderer, but what if Johnny considers himself to be a bad man, and what if he thinks he's the reason his mom died, it kind of makes sense in a way.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[WMG: If Jhonen Vasquez ever continues to make the [=JTHM=] comics, it will be a reboot.

to:

[[WMG: If Jhonen Vasquez ever continues to make the [=JTHM=] comics, it will be a reboot.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: If Jhonen Vasquez ever continues to make the [=JTHM=] comics, it will be a reboot.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


[[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming And they start their own happy, mass murdering family together.]]

to:

[[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments And they start their own happy, mass murdering family together.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[WMG: Mr. Eff's first name is [[MyImmortal Cornelia]] ]]

to:

[[WMG: Mr. Eff's first name is [[MyImmortal [[Fanfic/MyImmortal Cornelia]] ]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: Johnny's nickname of Nny symbolizes how he lost something inside]]
Johnny's nickname is a shortening of his name. Most shortened nicknames can still stand on their own as names, like Joshua and Josh, Joseph and Joe, etc. The obvious nickname for the name Johnny is John, but Johnny C. chose Nny. I think it's because he lost a part of him that he can't live without, like how the name Johnny isn't a real name without the John.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Aww. That's [[JhonenVasquez Jhonen]]-type sweet!

to:

* Aww. That's [[JhonenVasquez [[Creator/JhonenVasquez Jhonen]]-type sweet!



Aside from the WalkingTheEarth ending in which Nny himself admits that he can only try to manage his damage, it's [[JhonenVasquez Vasquez]]. The rules of his [[CrapsackWorld 'verses]] would not allow for this. Case in point, Nny vows to take control of his life, complete with [[spoiler: a lovely ShutUpHannibal speech... and finally kills himself]] ''on accident.'' Besides, curing him would ruin the point of the title, and who wants to read about someone sane and happy? Squee [[spoiler: in his padded cell]]?

to:

Aside from the WalkingTheEarth ending in which Nny himself admits that he can only try to manage his damage, it's [[JhonenVasquez [[Creator/JhonenVasquez Vasquez]]. The rules of his [[CrapsackWorld 'verses]] would not allow for this. Case in point, Nny vows to take control of his life, complete with [[spoiler: a lovely ShutUpHannibal speech... and finally kills himself]] ''on accident.'' Besides, curing him would ruin the point of the title, and who wants to read about someone sane and happy? Squee [[spoiler: in his padded cell]]?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**{{Jossed}} by WordOfGod. Someone asked Jhonen about this and he said Squee would grow up just fine.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[WMG: The Moose is {{Zalgo}}.]]

to:

[[WMG: The Moose is {{Zalgo}}.WebOriginal/{{Zalgo}}.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[AC:Main/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac]]

to:

[[AC:Main/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac]]
[[AC:ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac]]



Am I the only one who seems to notice this? Every colored drawing of [[JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac JtHM]] shows Krik with very pale skin, when it's all but spelled out that he isn't caucasian. Take, for example, the way he behaves and dresses. It seems highly reminiscent of a black man in the 90s motivated by gangsta rap music. He's a misogynist, he curses constantly, and [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday he's constantly trying to accentuate his manliness]] to the point that he'll beat up a "fag" like Nny just for being skinny and dressing differently. Not to mention the fact that Nny stated his crime against society as thus: "Using racial oppression as a crutch while only reinforcing old stereotypes". If you read closely, [[UnfortunateImplications it would seem that Jhonen didn't think too highly of black people during that time]].

to:

Am I the only one who seems to notice this? Every colored drawing of [[JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac [[ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac JtHM]] shows Krik with very pale skin, when it's all but spelled out that he isn't caucasian. Take, for example, the way he behaves and dresses. It seems highly reminiscent of a black man in the 90s motivated by gangsta rap music. He's a misogynist, he curses constantly, and [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday he's constantly trying to accentuate his manliness]] to the point that he'll beat up a "fag" like Nny just for being skinny and dressing differently. Not to mention the fact that Nny stated his crime against society as thus: "Using racial oppression as a crutch while only reinforcing old stereotypes". If you read closely, [[UnfortunateImplications it would seem that Jhonen didn't think too highly of black people during that time]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Probably not. InvaderZim seems to take place in the ''future'' of Johnny's world, not the past.

to:

** Probably not. InvaderZim ''WesternAnimation/InvaderZim'' seems to take place in the ''future'' of Johnny's world, not the past.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** Most of the things I listed aside from the last one were padding, I'll admit that, but the last point I made is still important. I doubt that, in the 90s, Nny would have been ranting against a white man pulling the "race card" and using it as an excuse to act like a thuggish buffoon. Also, I don't recall Jhonen ever drawing black people in a "dark tone". An example is Tenna/Tonja, who outside of the full-color I Feel Sick series is never given any shading that would indicate a different race. Another example is one of the random people Johnny kills in Cafe Le Prick(I think he put a meat cleaver in his face) who was sporting a [[FreshPrinceOfBelAir Fresh Price-era Will Smith-style haircut]]. I don't think he was dark-toned, either.

to:

*** Most of the things I listed aside from the last one were padding, I'll admit that, but the last point I made is still important. I doubt that, in the 90s, Nny would have been ranting against a white man pulling the "race card" and using it as an excuse to act like a thuggish buffoon. Also, I don't recall Jhonen ever drawing black people in a "dark tone". An example is Tenna/Tonja, who outside of the full-color I Feel Sick series is never given any shading that would indicate a different race. Another example is one of the random people Johnny kills in Cafe Le Prick(I think he put a meat cleaver in his face) who was sporting a [[FreshPrinceOfBelAir [[Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir Fresh Price-era Prince-era Will Smith-style haircut]]. I don't think he was dark-toned, either.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

**** Johnny's Twitter is run by Jhonen himself. Therefore, I'd say it does qualify as WOG.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

*** You know some random fan twitter isn't word of God.. right?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* There's a possibility he was an infernalist mage before he went mad. There is a specific ritual in Dark Thaumaturgy that involves painting a wall in blood to summon a demon...Maybe Johnny just continued to perform the ritual out of habit, keeping the demon bound.

to:

* There's a possibility he was an infernalist mage before he went mad. There is a specific ritual in Dark Thaumaturgy that involves painting a wall in blood to summon a demon... Maybe Johnny just continued to perform the ritual out of habit, keeping the demon bound.



** I would love to continue this with "Nny being hispanic shows he wasn't liking much of anybody during this time" but, alas.... I'm really sure the reason you're the only one to see it is because it doesn't exist. Eminem and Fred Durst etc where also popular during this time along with all the little white boys playing gangsta. As you mentioned, even the coloured drawings show him white. The few black characters Johnen has are typically shown dark toned. Except for your last reason, that all seemed very stereotyped against black people yourself :/

to:

** * I would love to continue this with "Nny being hispanic Hispanic shows he wasn't liking much of anybody during this time" but, alas.... I'm really sure the reason you're the only one to see it is because it doesn't exist. Eminem and Fred Durst etc where also popular during this time along with all the little white boys playing gangsta. As you mentioned, even the coloured drawings show him white. The few black characters Johnen has are typically shown dark toned. Except for your last reason, that all seemed very stereotyped against black people yourself :/
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* No, what makes Mr. Casil different from other father figures is that Nny knows said father figure's kid personally and doesn't want to cause him any mental damage. Also, his main targets seem to be mid-twenty year olds out socialising, hardly the discription of the average parent.

to:

* No, what makes Mr. Casil different from other father figures is that Nny knows said father figure's kid personally and doesn't want to cause him any mental damage. Also, his main targets seem to be mid-twenty year olds out socialising, socializing, hardly the discription description of the average parent.



Johnny never gets caught, and his crimes defy reality because he's using magic unconsciously to escape. The massacre in issue three really started straining the fabric of reality and paradox. When he goes to hell at the end of issue five, he didn't die, he simply gets shunted into his own paradox realm.
** There's a possibility he was an infernalist mage before he went mad. There is a specific ritual in Dark Thaumaturgy that involves painting a wall in blood to summon a demon...Maybe Johnny just continued to perform the ritual out of habit, keeping the demon bound.

to:

Johnny never gets caught, and his crimes defy reality because he's using magic unconsciously using magic to escape. The massacre in issue three really started straining the fabric of reality and paradox. When he goes went to hell at the end of issue five, he didn't die, he simply gets got shunted into his own paradox realm.
** * There's a possibility he was an infernalist mage before he went mad. There is a specific ritual in Dark Thaumaturgy that involves painting a wall in blood to summon a demon...Maybe Johnny just continued to perform the ritual out of habit, keeping the demon bound.



''If'' what Reverend Meat implied is true (that Nny had sex with someone before his amnesia), the girl he did it with may have been Squee's mom. By the time she found out she was pregnant, she would have already been with the guy now believed to be Squee's dad. Believing the kid was his, he felt obliged to marry her and take care of him... Sort of... Half assedly at best.

to:

''If'' what Reverend Meat implied is true (that Nny had sex with someone before his amnesia), the girl he did it with may have been Squee's mom. By the time she found out she was pregnant, she would have already been with the guy now believed to be Squee's dad. Believing the kid was his, he felt obliged to marry her and take care of him... Sort of... Half assedly Half-assedly at best.



[[WMG: Devi and Squee succumb to maddness and find Johnny again]]

to:

[[WMG: Devi and Squee succumb to maddness madness and find Johnny again]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: Johnny became the Postal Dude]]
He moved to Arizona and dyed his hair red. They have similar frames and a similar psychopathic outlook on life. He clearly got over his distaste for guns. Maybe the pacifist run potential in Postal 2 is Johnny trying to move past his murderous ways?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Johnny looks a ''lot'' like an older Squee. Nny can't remember anything about his past. And everyhting Squee has gone through ''would'' explain how he ended up a homicidal maniac. Either there's time travel involved or Nny is reliving his past. This would also explain how NNy ended up in a house besides Squee's without any memory of how he got there. He was drawn to his childhood home despite all the trauma he received there.

to:

Johnny looks a ''lot'' like an older Squee. Nny can't remember anything about his past. And everyhting Squee has gone through ''would'' explain how he ended up a homicidal maniac. Either there's time travel involved or Nny is reliving his past. This would also explain how NNy Nny ended up in a house besides Squee's without any memory of how he got there. He was drawn to his childhood home despite all the trauma he received there. And why's he rather protective of Squee.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Johnny looks a ''lot'' like an older Squee. Nny can't remember anything about his past. And everyhting Squee has gone through ''would'' explain how he ended up a homicidal maniac. Either there's time travel involved or Nny is reliving his past. This would also explain ended up in a house besides Squee's without any memory of how he got there. He was drawn to his childhood home despite all the trauma he received there.

to:

Johnny looks a ''lot'' like an older Squee. Nny can't remember anything about his past. And everyhting Squee has gone through ''would'' explain how he ended up a homicidal maniac. Either there's time travel involved or Nny is reliving his past. This would also explain how NNy ended up in a house besides Squee's without any memory of how he got there. He was drawn to his childhood home despite all the trauma he received there.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: Squee and Johnny are one and the same]]

Johnny looks a ''lot'' like an older Squee. Nny can't remember anything about his past. And everyhting Squee has gone through ''would'' explain how he ended up a homicidal maniac. Either there's time travel involved or Nny is reliving his past. This would also explain ended up in a house besides Squee's without any memory of how he got there. He was drawn to his childhood home despite all the trauma he received there.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** [[BerserkButton Better not tell Johnny that.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** That write-up was [[RuleOfFunny a send-up of]] {{Batman}}'s origin, not canon.

to:

** That write-up was [[RuleOfFunny a send-up of]] {{Batman}}'s Franchise/{{Batman}}'s origin, not canon.



Because Vasquez would find it funny. Seriously, for all the ansgting and attempts at Woobiefication the fans seem to want to place on Johnny, Vasquez does nothing but mock it. Want Nny's origins? The man does a ShoutOut to ''{{Batman}}.'' The point is, Vasquez would probably get far more of a kick out of having Johnny be fucked-up on his own, at least not to the point of some forgotten FreudianExcuse. The guy gets enough of that just from the thing in his wall; why would the author cheapen that with something so overused? Not that we'll ever get a BackStory for the guy, anyway...

to:

Because Vasquez would find it funny. Seriously, for all the ansgting and attempts at Woobiefication the fans seem to want to place on Johnny, Vasquez does nothing but mock it. Want Nny's origins? The man does a ShoutOut to ''{{Batman}}.''Franchise/{{Batman}}.'' The point is, Vasquez would probably get far more of a kick out of having Johnny be fucked-up on his own, at least not to the point of some forgotten FreudianExcuse. The guy gets enough of that just from the thing in his wall; why would the author cheapen that with something so overused? Not that we'll ever get a BackStory for the guy, anyway...

Top