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[[WMG: The Survivor tried to kill his Scylla.]]
* That's the dark secret. Re-read the scene where The Plutonian destroys Inferno's base. Both Scylla and Cary would have been able to put up shields to block it and Cary was flying toward Scylla at the time. It's possible Cary somehow sabotaged Scylla at the last minute and then protected himself. The pair had just been seen arguing about dating Kaidan just moments earlier. Perhaps Cary got sick of sharing the spotlight and his powers and thought it was unfair for his brother to come out ahead, so he seized an opportunity.
* That's the dark secret. Re-read the scene where The Plutonian destroys Inferno's base. Both Scylla and Cary would have been able to put up shields to block it and Cary was flying toward Scylla at the time. It's possible Cary somehow sabotaged Scylla at the last minute and then protected himself. The pair had just been seen arguing about dating Kaidan just moments earlier. Perhaps Cary got sick of sharing the spotlight and his powers and thought it was unfair for his brother to come out ahead, so he seized an opportunity.
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[[WMG: The Survivor tried to kill his Scylla.brother.]]
* That's the dark secret. Re-read the scene where The Plutonian destroys Inferno's base. Both Scylla and Cary would have been able to put up shields to block it and Cary was flying toward Scylla at the time. It's possible Cary somehow sabotaged Scylla at the last minute and then protected himself. The pair had just been seen arguing about dating Kaidan just moments earlier. Perhaps Cary got sick of sharing the spotlight and his powers and thought it was unfair for his brother to come out ahead, so he seized an opportunity.
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...about a teenage boy who doesn't know that The Plutonian is now evil. How would he not know this? Well, many years ago, he was saved by him, and thus, the young boy wanted to be like him, or at least his sidekick. He went to a [[HiddenElfVillage a hidden Kung-Fu School]] that was cut off completely from the outside world. Many years later, the young boy was a teenager, and he had graduated the school. But by then, his hero had become evil. When he heard the news, he thought it was a ruse by some evil being because "He can never do wrong!" Thus begins his (tragic) journey to prove that The Plutonian isn't evil and to stop the one doing this ruse. Saying it won't go well is an Understatement.
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...about a teenage boy who doesn't know that The Plutonian is now evil. How would he not know this? Well, many years ago, he was saved by him, and thus, the young boy wanted to be like him, or at least his sidekick. He went to a [[HiddenElfVillage a hidden Kung-Fu School]] that was cut off completely from the outside world. Many years later, the young boy was a teenager, and he had graduated the school. But by then, his hero had become evil. When he heard the news, he thought it was a ruse by some evil being because "He can never do wrong!" Thus begins his (tragic) journey to prove that The Plutonian isn't evil and to stop the one doing this ruse. Saying it won't go well is an Understatement.Understatement.
[[WMG: The Survivor tried to kill his Scylla.]]
* That's the dark secret. Re-read the scene where The Plutonian destroys Inferno's base. Both Scylla and Cary would have been able to put up shields to block it and Cary was flying toward Scylla at the time. It's possible Cary somehow sabotaged Scylla at the last minute and then protected himself. The pair had just been seen arguing about dating Kaidan just moments earlier. Perhaps Cary got sick of sharing the spotlight and his powers and thought it was unfair for his brother to come out ahead, so he seized an opportunity.
[[WMG: The Survivor tried to kill his Scylla.]]
* That's the dark secret. Re-read the scene where The Plutonian destroys Inferno's base. Both Scylla and Cary would have been able to put up shields to block it and Cary was flying toward Scylla at the time. It's possible Cary somehow sabotaged Scylla at the last minute and then protected himself. The pair had just been seen arguing about dating Kaidan just moments earlier. Perhaps Cary got sick of sharing the spotlight and his powers and thought it was unfair for his brother to come out ahead, so he seized an opportunity.
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[[WMG: Qubit is a deconstruction of the [[DoctorWho Doctor's]] moral character.]]
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[[WMG: Qubit is a deconstruction of the [[DoctorWho [[Series/DoctorWho Doctor's]] moral character.]]
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** U) There is no Max Daring. If you've actually read Incorruptible, you'll remember his name is Max DAMAGE.
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* Orian was planning to invade earth with an army of super soldiers that could EACH take on Paragon. Qubit still has the bullet, as you guys may recall. He is prepared to kill Plutonian, but knows he doesn't have to. Actually, if Plutonian were dead, shit would be going way more south. Plutonian was both the only thing keeping an alien race from invading, and he seems to be the only defense against another possible invasion. Also, he has been the most crucial member of the team when it came to helping rebuild, and he's the ONLY person capable of counterscheming the various forces at play. Also, do you see any other members intimidating an alien race into stopping invasions? Nope. If anything, he's a reconstruction of Reed Richards. Many people forget that he has a lot of Chessmaster traits, with the capacity for Speed Chess. Summary: he firmly believes in "The Devil that You Know," and has ways of dealing with the existing threats. He's like Batman+The Doctor+ Reed Richards.
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** I think this is a case of the power style. Max is, more or less, an ordinary guy is abso-fucking-lutely indestructible. Which reflects on his personality, which is resolute, determined, and unflinching. Compare to Charybdis and Survivor, who both go absolutely batshit. Why? Because they are gods in the shells of men. Max Damage needs to TRY to kill people. Those two KNOW for a fact that the world can burn at their fingertips. This pushes them towards the edge, knowing that they can get revenge on everyone who doesn't respect them (The Plutonian was rejected as a child, Charybdis has self image issues as a result of people considering him a joke).
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[[WMG:Survivor is actually the one who is draining his brother's powers]]
* It fits with him having a dark secret and his obsession with proving himself as "The Survivor."
[[WMG:Jailbait's departure was editorially mandated.]]
* Take note about how she was replaced with a Jailbait who didn't have any attraction to Max Damage and has been seemingly replaced HERSELF by a very adult Alana Patel.
* It fits with him having a dark secret and his obsession with proving himself as "The Survivor."
[[WMG:Jailbait's departure was editorially mandated.]]
* Take note about how she was replaced with a Jailbait who didn't have any attraction to Max Damage and has been seemingly replaced HERSELF by a very adult Alana Patel.
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** This actually combines quite well with second suggestion. See [[http://comicbookrealm.com/previews/2665/boom-studios-irredeemable-issue-25 this preview]].
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** This actually combines quite well with second suggestion. See [[http://comicbookrealm.com/previews/2665/boom-studios-irredeemable-issue-25 this preview]].preview]].
[[WMG: There will be a comic...]]
...about a teenage boy who doesn't know that The Plutonian is now evil. How would he not know this? Well, many years ago, he was saved by him, and thus, the young boy wanted to be like him, or at least his sidekick. He went to a [[HiddenElfVillage a hidden Kung-Fu School]] that was cut off completely from the outside world. Many years later, the young boy was a teenager, and he had graduated the school. But by then, his hero had become evil. When he heard the news, he thought it was a ruse by some evil being because "He can never do wrong!" Thus begins his (tragic) journey to prove that The Plutonian isn't evil and to stop the one doing this ruse. Saying it won't go well is an Understatement.
[[WMG: There will be a comic...]]
...about a teenage boy who doesn't know that The Plutonian is now evil. How would he not know this? Well, many years ago, he was saved by him, and thus, the young boy wanted to be like him, or at least his sidekick. He went to a [[HiddenElfVillage a hidden Kung-Fu School]] that was cut off completely from the outside world. Many years later, the young boy was a teenager, and he had graduated the school. But by then, his hero had become evil. When he heard the news, he thought it was a ruse by some evil being because "He can never do wrong!" Thus begins his (tragic) journey to prove that The Plutonian isn't evil and to stop the one doing this ruse. Saying it won't go well is an Understatement.
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Going by the most recent revelations...
** L) The Plutonian will discover the true nature of his powers, that Modeus alluded to, and use them to completely undo all the attrocities he commited...Or [[DownerEnding use them to spread his rage across the multiverse]].
** L) The Plutonian will discover the true nature of his powers, that Modeus alluded to, and use them to completely undo all the attrocities he commited...Or [[DownerEnding use them to spread his rage across the multiverse]].
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** k) The Plutonian is [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away, and the last issue will be of him being released]] to butt heads with super-heroes in the future (who look strangely like TheLeigonOfSuperheroes).
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** k) The Plutonian is [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away, and the last issue will be of him being released]] to butt heads with super-heroes in the future (who look strangely like TheLeigonOfSuperheroes).
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* A psychic who is just dicking around with Tony for his own purposes.
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* A psychic who is just dicking around with Tony for his own purposes.purposes.
** This actually combines quite well with second suggestion. See [[http://comicbookrealm.com/previews/2665/boom-studios-irredeemable-issue-25 this preview]].
** This actually combines quite well with second suggestion. See [[http://comicbookrealm.com/previews/2665/boom-studios-irredeemable-issue-25 this preview]].
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[[WMG: The Auroran is...]]
* Plutonian's father/brother/uncle/cousin/doppleganger from another universe
* The only other being in the whole universe who is the same race as the Plutonian
* A timelord
* A psychic who is just dicking around with Tony for his own purposes.
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* Characters in the comic also seem more willing to call Qubit out on being an InsufferableGenius.
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*** Huh. This one sounds pretty plausible.
Taking A to another level-
**k) The Plutonian is [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away, and the last issue will be of him being released]] to butt heads with super-heroes in the future (who look strangely like TheLeigonOfSuperheroes).
Taking A to another level-
**k) The Plutonian is [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away, and the last issue will be of him being released]] to butt heads with super-heroes in the future (who look strangely like TheLeigonOfSuperheroes).
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Combining f, h and i-
** j) After finding a way to depower The Plutonian, it is determined only Max Daring's power could stand up to his might to get the injection (or whatnot) in. After an epic fight, Daring manages to get the shot into The Plutonian's stream. The loss of powers also has the side effect of curing the Plutonian's insanity, and he atones for all his crimes.
** j) After finding a way to depower The Plutonian, it is determined only Max Daring's power could stand up to his might to get the injection (or whatnot) in. After an epic fight, Daring manages to get the shot into The Plutonian's stream. The loss of powers also has the side effect of curing the Plutonian's insanity, and he atones for all his crimes.
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*** It was both.
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Another option-
** i) Is stripped of his powers and put on trial for his crimes, or before that even killed by the mobs of people he's been terrorizing. For added irony, his powers are taken away by one of his former enemies, who become worldwide heroes for their efforts.
** i) Is stripped of his powers and put on trial for his crimes, or before that even killed by the mobs of people he's been terrorizing. For added irony, his powers are taken away by one of his former enemies, who become worldwide heroes for their efforts.
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** g) Gets bored and goes to Mars, the hangout spot for all insanely overpowered disillusioned superheroes.
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** g) Gets bored and goes to Mars, the hangout spot for all insanely overpowered disillusioned superheroes.superheroes.
** h) Experiences a {{Heel Face Turn}} and somehow atones for all his atrocities. Probably involves Time Travel.
** h) Experiences a {{Heel Face Turn}} and somehow atones for all his atrocities. Probably involves Time Travel.
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** Not quite. Turns out [[spoiler: there's another alien invasion coming in and they might need him to save them all.]]
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** f) Max Daring beating him halfway past death, anyone?
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** f) Max Daring beating him halfway past death, anyone?anyone?
** g) Gets bored and goes to Mars, the hangout spot for all insanely overpowered disillusioned superheroes.
** g) Gets bored and goes to Mars, the hangout spot for all insanely overpowered disillusioned superheroes.
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*** f) Max Daring beating him halfway past death, anyone?
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*** f) Max Daring beating him halfway past death, anyone?
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Think about it. Aside from a physical resemblance to David Tennant's Tenth Doctor, he possesses many of his characteristics, particularly his "Thou Shalt Not Kill" rule. He's the only character who doesn't want to kill the Plutonian, despite everything the guy has done since day one of his reign of terror. Qubit's search for a non-violent means of "saving" the Plutonian have only resulted in even more needless death and destruction. To be fair, this is also [[spoiler: Bette Noir's fault for keeping the one item that could kill the Plutonian to her chest when they could have needed it. But when she finally got around to firing the damn thing, Qubit intercepted the bullet and commanded it to kill Orian. Yeah, nice job.]]
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Think about it. Aside from a physical resemblance to David Tennant's Tenth Doctor, he possesses many of his characteristics, particularly his "Thou Shalt Not Kill" rule. He's the only character who doesn't want to kill the Plutonian, despite everything the guy has done since day one of his reign of terror. Qubit's search for a non-violent means of "saving" the Plutonian have only resulted in even more needless death and destruction. To be fair, this is also [[spoiler: Bette Noir's fault for keeping the one item that could kill have killed the Plutonian to her chest when they could have needed it. But when she finally got around to firing the damn thing, Qubit intercepted the bullet and commanded manipulated it to kill Orian. Yeah, nice job.]]
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[[WMG: The Plutonian's Fate.]]
Either:
** a) Qubit finds a means to [[SealedEvilInACan imprison the Plutonian.]]
** b) [[EndofTheWorldasWeKnowIt Destroys the planet and moves on to the stars to wreck his vengeance across the universe.]]
** c) He dies at the hands of Charybdis/Survivor.
** d) Slain by Kaidan when she unleashes the vengeful souls of all his victims out of a can of holy spiritual whoopass. [[CrowningMomentofAwesome Holy crap, that would be fantastic!]]
** e) Modeus destroys him with a {{Deus Ex Machina}}.
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Either:
** a) Qubit finds a means to [[SealedEvilInACan imprison the Plutonian.]]
** b) [[EndofTheWorldasWeKnowIt Destroys the planet and moves on to the stars to wreck his vengeance across the universe.]]
** c) He dies at the hands of Charybdis/Survivor.
** d) Slain by Kaidan when she unleashes the vengeful souls of all his victims out of a can of holy spiritual whoopass. [[CrowningMomentofAwesome Holy crap, that would be fantastic!]]
** e) Modeus destroys him with a {{Deus Ex Machina}}.
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...and created an alternate universe by doing so, where the Plutonian is instead known as {{Superman}}.
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...and created an alternate universe by doing so, where the Plutonian is instead known as {{Superman}}.{{Superman}}.
[[WMG: Qubit is a deconstruction of the [[DoctorWho Doctor's]] moral character.]]
Think about it. Aside from a physical resemblance to David Tennant's Tenth Doctor, he possesses many of his characteristics, particularly his "Thou Shalt Not Kill" rule. He's the only character who doesn't want to kill the Plutonian, despite everything the guy has done since day one of his reign of terror. Qubit's search for a non-violent means of "saving" the Plutonian have only resulted in even more needless death and destruction. To be fair, this is also [[spoiler: Bette Noir's fault for keeping the one item that could kill the Plutonian to her chest when they could have needed it. But when she finally got around to firing the damn thing, Qubit intercepted the bullet and commanded it to kill Orian. Yeah, nice job.]]
Qubit's action, or rather inaction, has done more harm than good. Likewise, the one scene where he torments Encanta could be Mark Waid's way of criticizing the Doctor's hypocrisy. Killing is bad, but punishments or tortures [[FateWorseThanDeath worse than death]] are alright? This feels more and more like an attack on the Doctor's {{Technical Pacifism}}.
[[WMG: Qubit is a deconstruction of the [[DoctorWho Doctor's]] moral character.]]
Think about it. Aside from a physical resemblance to David Tennant's Tenth Doctor, he possesses many of his characteristics, particularly his "Thou Shalt Not Kill" rule. He's the only character who doesn't want to kill the Plutonian, despite everything the guy has done since day one of his reign of terror. Qubit's search for a non-violent means of "saving" the Plutonian have only resulted in even more needless death and destruction. To be fair, this is also [[spoiler: Bette Noir's fault for keeping the one item that could kill the Plutonian to her chest when they could have needed it. But when she finally got around to firing the damn thing, Qubit intercepted the bullet and commanded it to kill Orian. Yeah, nice job.]]
Qubit's action, or rather inaction, has done more harm than good. Likewise, the one scene where he torments Encanta could be Mark Waid's way of criticizing the Doctor's hypocrisy. Killing is bad, but punishments or tortures [[FateWorseThanDeath worse than death]] are alright? This feels more and more like an attack on the Doctor's {{Technical Pacifism}}.
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***Slight problem, though, KingdomCome was more a {{deconstruction}} of the DarkAge, not really a {{reconstruction}} of the SilverAge.
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* This can, of course, be explained by WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity.
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I base this on... absolutely nothing.
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I base this on... absolutely nothing.nothing.
[[WMG: Someone already did time travel to give Plutonian his perfect family...]]
...and created an alternate universe by doing so, where the Plutonian is instead known as {{Superman}}.
[[WMG: Someone already did time travel to give Plutonian his perfect family...]]
...and created an alternate universe by doing so, where the Plutonian is instead known as {{Superman}}.
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[[WMG: Someone will time travel to give Plutonian his perfect family.]]
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[[WMG: Someone will time travel to give Plutonian his perfect family.]]]]
I base this on... absolutely nothing.
I base this on... absolutely nothing.
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Compare his devotion, even still, on ''saving'' Tony and not killing him. He halfway-sabotages Bette's attempt to murder him (albeit with good reason), and even after the Singapore disaster, when speaking to the Enchantess, his main concern was "Getting Tony back" rather than killing him. While it could be argued it's because he's the strongest proponant of ThouShaltNotKill in the team, the closeness he expresses for Tony seems to be more than he has for any human.
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Compare his devotion, even still, on ''saving'' Tony and not killing him. He halfway-sabotages Bette's attempt to murder him (albeit with good reason), and even after the Singapore disaster, when speaking to the Enchantess, his main concern was "Getting Tony back" rather than killing him. While it could be argued it's because he's the strongest proponant of ThouShaltNotKill in the team, the closeness he expresses for Tony seems to be more than he has for any human.human.
[[WMG: Someone will time travel to give Plutonian his perfect family.]]
[[WMG: Someone will time travel to give Plutonian his perfect family.]]
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*** GrantMorrison's essay added to the first issue pretty much confirms it.
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* Why would Mark Waid apologize for ''KingdomCome''? It's a highly acclaimed, landmark comic.
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* Why would Mark Waid apologize for ''KingdomCome''? It's a highly acclaimed, landmark comic.comic.
** A more accurate statement might be that he's Writing Against Type and shaking off the image fans of him as someone who can't write anything not based or inspired by the Silver Age. And doing a damn good job of it.
[[WMG: Qubit is in love with the Plutonian.]]
Compare his devotion, even still, on ''saving'' Tony and not killing him. He halfway-sabotages Bette's attempt to murder him (albeit with good reason), and even after the Singapore disaster, when speaking to the Enchantess, his main concern was "Getting Tony back" rather than killing him. While it could be argued it's because he's the strongest proponant of ThouShaltNotKill in the team, the closeness he expresses for Tony seems to be more than he has for any human.
** A more accurate statement might be that he's Writing Against Type and shaking off the image fans of him as someone who can't write anything not based or inspired by the Silver Age. And doing a damn good job of it.
[[WMG: Qubit is in love with the Plutonian.]]
Compare his devotion, even still, on ''saving'' Tony and not killing him. He halfway-sabotages Bette's attempt to murder him (albeit with good reason), and even after the Singapore disaster, when speaking to the Enchantess, his main concern was "Getting Tony back" rather than killing him. While it could be argued it's because he's the strongest proponant of ThouShaltNotKill in the team, the closeness he expresses for Tony seems to be more than he has for any human.
