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!! Danny will die in Series/TheDefenders
Due to the series' early negative reviews and being OvershadowedByControversy due to its MightyWhitey trope, Danny will be killed off fighting the BigBad in the Defenders.
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!! Shang Chi will appear in a similar role to Stick in Season 1 of Daredevil.
* He will appear in a single episode, work with Iron Fist on something involving his supervillain father or maybe something with The Hand, and then go off to do his own thing, with a bigger role in the second season.
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!! The bad reviews are a gambit by Marvel to get hardcore DC fans to stop whining about how they pay critics.
* Come on, there's gotta be a few people sick of this.
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!! Finn Jones might be recast.
UnfortunateImplications aside (though it'll probably play a part); if the critics prove to be correct and even audience/fans see Jones as bland and uninteresting as Danny Rand, he will be recast once Season 1 of the Defenders runs its course. Coupled with his comments about ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars as well as generally downplaying the Asian culture/representation problems, the new Danny Rand post-S1 will probably be Asian-American
UnfortunateImplications aside (though it'll probably play a part); if the critics prove to be correct and even audience/fans see Jones as bland and uninteresting as Danny Rand, he will be recast once Season 1 of the Defenders runs its course. Coupled with his comments about ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars as well as generally downplaying the Asian culture/representation problems, the new Danny Rand post-S1 will probably be Asian-American
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!! Finn Jones Danny Rand might be recast.
UnfortunateImplications aside (though it'll probably play a part); if the critics prove to be correct and even audience/fans see Finn Jones as bland and uninteresting as Danny Rand, he will be recast once Season 1 of the Defenders runs its course. Coupled with his comments about ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars as well as generally downplaying the Asian culture/representation problems, the new Danny Rand post-S1 will probably be Asian-American
UnfortunateImplications aside (though it'll probably play a part); if the critics prove to be correct and even audience/fans see Finn Jones as bland and uninteresting as Danny Rand, he will be recast once Season 1 of the Defenders runs its course. Coupled with his comments about ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars as well as generally downplaying the Asian culture/representation problems, the new Danny Rand post-S1 will probably be Asian-American
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UnfortunateImplications aside (though it'll probably play a part); if the critics prove to be correct and even audience/fans see Jones as bland and uninteresting as Danny Rand, he will be recast once Season 1 of the Defenders. With Defenders runs its course. Coupled with his comments about ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars, ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars as well as generally downplaying the Asian culture/representation problems, the new Danny Rand post-S1 will probably be Asian-American
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!! Iron Fist WILL fight the dragon
However, it will be a dream-like, introspective moment, as if he's achieving it through meditation. The dragon will seemingly be made of smoke as in the main logo.
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!! Iron Fist WILL fight the dragon
Shou-Lao
However, it will be a dream-like, introspective moment, as if he's achieving it through meditation.The dragon Shou-Lao will seemingly be made of smoke as in the main logo.
However, it will be a dream-like, introspective moment, as if he's achieving it through meditation.
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** Apparently jossed by Finn Jones so...
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!!This will be the first of the Marvel Netflix shows to only be one season
Instead of a second season the show will be replaced by ''Daughters of the Dragon'', a team-up spin-off showing Colleen Wing and Misty Knight becoming a crime fighter duo.
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* I feel convinced of either this, or Shang-Chi appearing very briefly during the season finale.
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* I feel convinced Early reviews of either this, or the first six episodes neither confirm a Shang-Chi appearing very briefly during the season finale.
appearance, nor sound positive enough to drown out any complaints his absence could cause.
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** OP: Please stop the Zendaya crap in the WMGs.
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*Even more alternately, they will actually be Zendaya.
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** Confirmed. Shou-Lao will appear on the show.
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** [[BluntYes Yes]].
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* Alternately, they're actors hired to play the Meachums. (Is that meme dead yet?)
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!!Rand Enterprises is connected to AIM
The [[Film/IronMan3 Extremis]] enhancement looks a whole lot like the Iron Fist. Maybe Maya Hansen got the idea of bio-energy enhancements from Danny Rand's parents before the plane crash - what they hell were they doing flying over the Himalayas? Maybe they were researching K'un-L'un, and Extremis is somehow connected to its martial arts teachings.
-->'''Killian''': Now, Extremis harnesses our bioelectrical potential and it goes here. This is essentially an empty slot and what this tells us is that our mind, our entire DNA, in fact, is destined to be upgraded.
The [[Film/IronMan3 Extremis]] enhancement looks a whole lot like the Iron Fist. Maybe Maya Hansen got the idea of bio-energy enhancements from Danny Rand's parents before the plane crash - what they hell were they doing flying over the Himalayas? Maybe they were researching K'un-L'un, and Extremis is somehow connected to its martial arts teachings.
-->'''Killian''': Now, Extremis harnesses our bioelectrical potential and it goes here. This is essentially an empty slot and what this tells us is that our mind, our entire DNA, in fact, is destined to be upgraded.
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!! The Meachums aren't what they seem
They are imposters.
They are imposters.
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!! Iron Fist WILL fight the dragon
However, it will be a dream-like, introspective moment, as if he's achieving it through meditation. The dragon will seemingly be made of smoke as in the main logo.
However, it will be a dream-like, introspective moment, as if he's achieving it through meditation. The dragon will seemingly be made of smoke as in the main logo.
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After Danny's parents die, Howard Meachum takes over the business and involves himself in many shaddy dealings, including buying Seagate Prison, which was said to be privately owned by an unknown entity. Once Danny finds out about this, he sets out to undo everything, which leads him to meeting Luke. Their friendship goes from there.
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After Danny's parents die, Howard Harold Meachum takes over the business and involves himself in many shaddy dealings, including buying Seagate Prison, which was said to be privately owned by an unknown entity. Once Danny finds out about this, he sets out to undo everything, which leads him to meeting Luke. Their friendship goes from there.
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!! How Jeri Hogarth ties in to the show
The Jeri Hogarth that we saw in ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' was the kind more likely to be in alliance with the Meachums than with Danny. I imagine that Jeri used to be a good person but somehow got jaded, leading to her becoming the person we saw in ''Jessica Jones''. Perhaps she used to be a lawyer and close friend for the Rands at one point. After Danny's disappearance and his parents' death, Jeri had a falling out with the Meachums. Perhaps Harold Meachum did something damaging to Jeri that turned her into a cold and manipulative person.
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!! The Shang-Chi announcement was an example of LyingCreator and he isn't appearing at all
No announced actor, no mentions in descriptions, and not even a hint at a him appearing in any promotional clips or trailers is pretty suspect. Perhaps it was just a stunt made to placate the InternetBackdraft and nothing more. Then some of the fans who wanted Asian-American Iron Fist would be distracted, or at least be like "when life gives you lemons..." until the show is released and they learn that Shang-Chi was just a lie and they're drowned out by the positive reviews of the season when they try to bring it up online.
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*** I think the Original Poster meant if he appears eventually, not necessarily the first season. It does say "If" after all.
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Judging by the teaser trailer, he's not in his costume. So, he might get to suit up in the season finale just like Daredevil.
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!!Building off the above, Shang-Chi was born in K'un-Lun but left for America as a child.]]
Making him a foil to Rand, who was born outside of K'un-Lun and immigrated there as a child.
Making him a foil to Rand, who was born outside of K'un-Lun and immigrated there as a child.
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** It's most likely Goa Gao will end up being Crane Mother, who became Steel Serpent's master.
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It is already speculated that Gao is from K'un L'un or one of the other Seven Capital Cities of Heaven due to her claim that she speaks all languages, is from a land farther away than China, and produced heroine with the symbol of the Steel Serpent (a villain in the Iron Fist comics). One should expect her to show up at some point.
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It is already speculated that Gao is from K'un L'un or one of the other Seven Capital Cities of Heaven due to her claim that she speaks all languages, is from a land farther away than China, and produced heroine heroin with the symbol of the Steel Serpent (a villain in the Iron Fist comics). One should expect her to show up at some point.
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* Either as someone who is passed over the title of Iron Fist and resents Danny for it and tries to kill him but fails, only to emerge for The Defenders as a new member of The Hand as he was in the comics.
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!! Danny will wear his iconic Iron Fist costume at the end of the season
Judging by the teaser trailer, he's not in his costume. So, he might get to suit up in the season finale just like Daredevil.
!! Danny will wear his iconic Iron Fist costume at the end of the season
Judging by the teaser trailer, he's not in his costume. So, he might get to suit up in the season finale just like Daredevil.
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** Which would be a complicated, but fantastic ShoutOut since he was originally based on BruceLee, and this was one of Lee's rejected ideas for EnterTheDragon.
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** Confirmed. She appears in the latest trailer.
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After Danny's parents die, Howard Meachum takes over the business and involves himself in many shaddy dealings, including buying Seagate Prison, which was said to be privately owned by an unknown entity. Once Danny finds out about this, he sets out to undo everything, which leads him to meeting Luke. Their friendship goes from there.there.
!! Junzo Muto will be one the Villains for Season 1
* Either as someone who is passed over the title of Iron Fist and resents Danny for it and tries to kill him but fails, only to emerge for The Defenders as a new member of The Hand as he was in the comics.
!! Junzo Muto will be one the Villains for Season 1
* Either as someone who is passed over the title of Iron Fist and resents Danny for it and tries to kill him but fails, only to emerge for The Defenders as a new member of The Hand as he was in the comics.
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!!K'un L'un is connected to the Tree of Life from ''Film/{{Thor}}''.
K'un L'un is in another dimension and, at least going by the comics, the residents are HumanAliens, much like the Asgardians in the MCU. Perhaps K'un L'un could be one of the realms connected to Midgard.
!! [[Series/DareDevil Madame Gao]] will show up.
It is already speculated that Gao is from K'un L'un or one of the other Seven Capital Cities of Heaven due to her claim that she speaks all languages, is from a land farther away than China, and produced heroine with the symbol of the Steel Serpent (a villain in the Iron Fist comics). One should expect her to show up at some point.
** It's most likely Goa will end up being Crane Mother, who became Steel Serpent's master.
!!One of the recurring villains will be Shang-Chi's father.
Obviously he wouldn't be Fu Manchu, but an international crime lord as in the Ultimate universe. Shang-Chi, the crime lord's American born son, combats his father's minions in Chinatown, which is where he'll meet Iron Fist.
!!Professor Wing will be in the show.
Professor Lee Wing, a character in the comics, will be one of Danny's allies in New York City. His presence will open up the possibility of Colleen Wing to appear in a potential second season for the show. If she isn't already set to be in the first season anyway.
** Coleen Wing is already cast so it's possible that Professor Wing will show up too or sooner.
!!Shang-Chi will be Chinese-American and have actual powers and depth.
As a way of throwing a bone towards the fans who wanted an Asian-American Danny Rand, Shang-Chi will be a Chinese-American residing in Chinatown or something. Furthermore, he could have actual KiAttacks and character similar to [[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers Hickman's retcon/writing]]
** But isn't Shang-Chi usually Asian-British?
*** Not really; he got espionage training from MI-6 but it's never stated that he's half-British. Not to mention the Ultimate universe's Shang-Chi was Chinese-American, so they can pick out things like they did with some of the Avengers.
!!Ray Park will be cast as Orson Randall, the previous Iron Fist before Daniel.
As a sort of CastingGag for when he was considered playing Iron Fist in a proposed live-action movie.
!!Instead of Fu Manchu, Shang-Chi's father will be the real Mandarin
They can't use Fu Manchu since they don't have the rights, but the Mandarin is an {{Expy}} of him. Plus, it would give them the opportunity to follow up on ''[[Film/MarvelOneShots All Hail the King]]'', seeing as there doesn't seem to be plans for more Iron Man movies.
!!If Orson Randall appears, he'll get a RaceLift.
After all the stuff going on with the debate over if Danny should have been white, it would look pretty suspect if his predecessor as Iron Fist was a white dude as well. So Orson will become an Asian-American in order to keep the MightyWhitey implications from getting too ludicrous.
** It's unlikely they would use Randall this early on. Not to mention there are several other older former Iron Fist they could use instead.
!!Shang Chi will appear but as an agent of SHIELD or MI6
Shang Chi was an MI6 agent for a time in the comics.
* He will have kung fu skills but will wear a suit and favor firearms to avoid Marvel's fears of "stereotyping" an Asian character as a martial artist.
!!Shang Chi will have SelfDuplication powers.
He gained these recently in the comics, possibly in preparation of giving him similar abilities in the show.
!!Fat Cobra will either make an appearance or be mentioned.
If only to have everyone who meets him wonder why a man called Fat Cobra would wield the turtle animal totem.
!!Rand Corps owns [[Series/LukeCage Seagate Prison.]]
After Danny's parents die, Howard Meachum takes over the business and involves himself in many shaddy dealings, including buying Seagate Prison, which was said to be privately owned by an unknown entity. Once Danny finds out about this, he sets out to undo everything, which leads him to meeting Luke. Their friendship goes from there.
K'un L'un is in another dimension and, at least going by the comics, the residents are HumanAliens, much like the Asgardians in the MCU. Perhaps K'un L'un could be one of the realms connected to Midgard.
!! [[Series/DareDevil Madame Gao]] will show up.
It is already speculated that Gao is from K'un L'un or one of the other Seven Capital Cities of Heaven due to her claim that she speaks all languages, is from a land farther away than China, and produced heroine with the symbol of the Steel Serpent (a villain in the Iron Fist comics). One should expect her to show up at some point.
** It's most likely Goa will end up being Crane Mother, who became Steel Serpent's master.
!!One of the recurring villains will be Shang-Chi's father.
Obviously he wouldn't be Fu Manchu, but an international crime lord as in the Ultimate universe. Shang-Chi, the crime lord's American born son, combats his father's minions in Chinatown, which is where he'll meet Iron Fist.
!!Professor Wing will be in the show.
Professor Lee Wing, a character in the comics, will be one of Danny's allies in New York City. His presence will open up the possibility of Colleen Wing to appear in a potential second season for the show. If she isn't already set to be in the first season anyway.
** Coleen Wing is already cast so it's possible that Professor Wing will show up too or sooner.
!!Shang-Chi will be Chinese-American and have actual powers and depth.
As a way of throwing a bone towards the fans who wanted an Asian-American Danny Rand, Shang-Chi will be a Chinese-American residing in Chinatown or something. Furthermore, he could have actual KiAttacks and character similar to [[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers Hickman's retcon/writing]]
** But isn't Shang-Chi usually Asian-British?
*** Not really; he got espionage training from MI-6 but it's never stated that he's half-British. Not to mention the Ultimate universe's Shang-Chi was Chinese-American, so they can pick out things like they did with some of the Avengers.
!!Ray Park will be cast as Orson Randall, the previous Iron Fist before Daniel.
As a sort of CastingGag for when he was considered playing Iron Fist in a proposed live-action movie.
!!Instead of Fu Manchu, Shang-Chi's father will be the real Mandarin
They can't use Fu Manchu since they don't have the rights, but the Mandarin is an {{Expy}} of him. Plus, it would give them the opportunity to follow up on ''[[Film/MarvelOneShots All Hail the King]]'', seeing as there doesn't seem to be plans for more Iron Man movies.
!!If Orson Randall appears, he'll get a RaceLift.
After all the stuff going on with the debate over if Danny should have been white, it would look pretty suspect if his predecessor as Iron Fist was a white dude as well. So Orson will become an Asian-American in order to keep the MightyWhitey implications from getting too ludicrous.
** It's unlikely they would use Randall this early on. Not to mention there are several other older former Iron Fist they could use instead.
!!Shang Chi will appear but as an agent of SHIELD or MI6
Shang Chi was an MI6 agent for a time in the comics.
* He will have kung fu skills but will wear a suit and favor firearms to avoid Marvel's fears of "stereotyping" an Asian character as a martial artist.
!!Shang Chi will have SelfDuplication powers.
He gained these recently in the comics, possibly in preparation of giving him similar abilities in the show.
!!Fat Cobra will either make an appearance or be mentioned.
If only to have everyone who meets him wonder why a man called Fat Cobra would wield the turtle animal totem.
!!Rand Corps owns [[Series/LukeCage Seagate Prison.]]
After Danny's parents die, Howard Meachum takes over the business and involves himself in many shaddy dealings, including buying Seagate Prison, which was said to be privately owned by an unknown entity. Once Danny finds out about this, he sets out to undo everything, which leads him to meeting Luke. Their friendship goes from there.
