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He was found on a battlefield, nothing is known of his life before he ended up on the battlefield Shouyo-sensei found him on. It'll be an interesting shout-out to both {{Superman}} and Manga/DragonBall, and would explain his extreme strength. Maybe he was different (tolerating sunlight), so his parents sent him to earth in hope of living happily. His hair bleached and curled due to the change in climate, but othervice he ended up okay.
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He was found on a battlefield, nothing is known of his life before he ended up on the battlefield Shouyo-sensei found him on. It'll be an interesting shout-out to both {{Superman}} and Manga/DragonBall, and would explain his extreme strength. Maybe he was different (tolerating sunlight), so his parents sent him to earth in hope of living happily. His hair bleached and curled due to the change in climate, but othervice otherwise he ended up okay.
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The priesthood will be mercilessly mocked, but the individual believers will be shown in a very sympathetic light. It ends on a gag of one or more or the cast becoming/replacing a saint, Christ, or even the Virgin Mary.
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The priesthood will be mercilessly mocked, but the individual believers will be shown in a very sympathetic light. It ends on a gag of one or more or the cast becoming/replacing a saint, Christ, or even the Virgin Mary.
<<|WildMassGuessing|>>Mary.
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* Most likely completely jossed, [[spoiler: since the final arc takes place in Planet Rakuyou: Harusame's base of operations, Kagura's home, and Takasugi's hideout]].
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** Considering the real backstory of his fight with his father, there is a high chance of this happening in the later chapters. Although we might see a bit of subversion in that [[spoiler: Kamui will die saving Umibozu instead]].
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He indentified Kagura really quickly, hides well from the sun and is insanely strong. With all this talk about this Russian guy who is going to be transplanted onto another body and in much popular culture is it near impossible that Sorachi-sensei hasn't noticed. So what if... I hate to say this... he's a yato with Shouyo-sensei's head transplanted onto him..! sounds weird yes, but it is a possibility.
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He indentified identified Kagura really quickly, hides well from the sun and is insanely strong. With all this talk about this Russian guy who is going to be transplanted onto another body and in much popular culture is it near impossible that Sorachi-sensei hasn't noticed. So what if... I hate to say this... he's a yato with Shouyo-sensei's head transplanted onto him..! sounds weird yes, but it is a possibility.
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[[WMG: There will be an arc about Japanese Christians that, despite the gags, will be surprisingly well researched.]]
The priesthood will be mercilessly mocked, but the individual believers will be shown in a very sympathetic light. It ends on a gag of one or more or the cast becoming/replacing a saint, Christ, or even the Virgin Mary.
The priesthood will be mercilessly mocked, but the individual believers will be shown in a very sympathetic light. It ends on a gag of one or more or the cast becoming/replacing a saint, Christ, or even the Virgin Mary.
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It's a known fact that Gintama was based on the Edo period and the current arc (Farewell, Shinsengumi) is based on the Boshin War which was a war to topple the corrupt Tokugawa Shogunate and restore power back to the Emperor. The Boshin War ended with Yoshinobu's (who Nobu Nobu was based on) surrender and also led to the renegotiation of unfair treaties with the foreigners (or aliens). Gintama pretty much have the same problems with the threatening Amantos with their unfair treaties and how they corrupt the Bakufu so ending it the same way it did with its historical counterpart would make sense.
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It's a known fact that Gintama was based on the Edo period and the current arc (Farewell, Shinsengumi) is based on the earlier parts of the Boshin War which was a war to topple the corrupt Tokugawa Shogunate and restore power back to the Emperor. The Boshin War ended with Yoshinobu's (who Nobu Nobu was based on) surrender and also led to the renegotiation of unfair treaties with the foreigners (or aliens). Gintama pretty much have the same problems with the threatening Amantos with their unfair treaties and how they corrupt the Bakufu so ending it the same way it did with its historical counterpart would make sense.
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* Bonus point if it will be Gintoki and Hijikata, parodying Korra and Asami's ending in Avatar.
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* Confirmed.
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* If we followed history, Zura will take a role in government.
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[[WMG: There will be shipping in canon.]]
* By the end of the series, there will be Okita x Kagura plus several other pairings : Otae x Kondou, Sa chan x Zenzou etc. It will be canon, if even for a moment before it revealed to be a joke or something. This is Gintama afterall.
* Bonus point if it will be Gintoki and Hijikata, parodying Korra and Asami's ending in Avatar.
* By the end of the series, there will be Okita x Kagura plus several other pairings : Otae x Kondou, Sa chan x Zenzou etc. It will be canon, if even for a moment before it revealed to be a joke or something. This is Gintama afterall.
* Bonus point if it will be Gintoki and Hijikata, parodying Korra and Asami's ending in Avatar.
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[[WMG: Gintama will end at the beginning of the Meiji Restoration Period]]
It's a known fact that Gintama was based on the Edo period and the current arc (Farewell, Shinsengumi) is based on the Boshin War which was a war to topple the corrupt Tokugawa Shogunate and restore power back to the Emperor. The Boshin War ended with Yoshinobu's (who Nobu Nobu was based on) surrender and also led to the renegotiation of unfair treaties with the foreigners (or aliens). Gintama pretty much have the same problems with the threatening Amantos with their unfair treaties and how they corrupt the Bakufu so ending it the same way it did with its historical counterpart would make sense.
It's a known fact that Gintama was based on the Edo period and the current arc (Farewell, Shinsengumi) is based on the Boshin War which was a war to topple the corrupt Tokugawa Shogunate and restore power back to the Emperor. The Boshin War ended with Yoshinobu's (who Nobu Nobu was based on) surrender and also led to the renegotiation of unfair treaties with the foreigners (or aliens). Gintama pretty much have the same problems with the threatening Amantos with their unfair treaties and how they corrupt the Bakufu so ending it the same way it did with its historical counterpart would make sense.
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* Already confirmed with the Shogun Assassination arc, which, after a long-fought battle against Kiheitai, still ended up with [[spoiler:Sada-sada's death]] and spiraled the plot of Farewell, Shinsengumi Arc [[spoiler: where Shinsengumi, Yorozuya, Jouishishi and Mimawarigumi [[Main/EnemyMine team up]] against Bakufu]].
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* With the way the latest chapters are going, at the very least, [[spoiler: either [[Main/BodySnatcher Utsuro used Shouyou's body]] or [[Main/DeadPersonImpersonation performed some surgery to look like him]]]].
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* With the way the latest chapters are going, at the very least, Not sure if this is already a confirmation, but [[spoiler: either [[Main/BodySnatcher Nobume mentioned that Utsuro used Shouyou's body]] or [[Main/DeadPersonImpersonation performed some surgery to look like him]]]].
is "both, that man and not that man", and that the one that Gintoki 'killed' was none other than Utsuro]].
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** At the very least, [[spoiler: He very much looks like Shouyou, as revealed in the latest chapters]]. So either his body was hijacked, someone impersonated him to rile up Gintoki, or he's in Naraku all along.
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** At the very least, [[spoiler: He very much looks like Shouyou, as revealed in the latest chapters]]. So either his body was hijacked, someone impersonated him to rile up Gintoki, or he's in Naraku all along.
along. Also, [[spoiler: Nobume mentioned that Utsuro is "both, that man and not that man", and that the one that Gintoki 'killed' was none other than Utsuro]]. With Utsuro's [[spoiler: [[Main/HealingFactor fast regeneration]] from Gintoki's attacks]], 'Shouyou's' recovery from his beheading might not be far-fetched at all.
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** At the very least, [[spoiler: He very much looks like Shouyou, as revealed in the latest chapters]]. So either his body was hijacked, someone impersonated him to rile up Gintoki, or he's in Naraku all along.
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* With the way the latest chapters are going, at the very least, [[spoiler: either Utsuro used Shouyou's body or performed some surgery to look like him]].
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[[WMG: Gintoki is a yato/amanto]]
He was found on a battlefield, nothing is known of his life before he ended up on the battlefield Shouyo-sensei found him on. It'll be an interesting shout-out to both {{Superman}} and Manga/DragonBall, and would explain his extreme strength. Maybe he was different (tolerating sunlight), so his parents sent him to earth in hope of living happily. His hair bleached and curled due to the change in climate, but othervice he ended up okay.
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[[WMG: Utsuro is a yato, but it's more complicated than that]]
He indentified Kagura really quickly, hides well from the sun and is insanely strong. With all this talk about this Russian guy who is going to be transplanted onto another body and in much popular culture is it near impossible that Sorachi-sensei hasn't noticed. So what if... I hate to say this... he's a yato with Shouyo-sensei's head transplanted onto him..! sounds weird yes, but it is a possibility.
He indentified Kagura really quickly, hides well from the sun and is insanely strong. With all this talk about this Russian guy who is going to be transplanted onto another body and in much popular culture is it near impossible that Sorachi-sensei hasn't noticed. So what if... I hate to say this... he's a yato with Shouyo-sensei's head transplanted onto him..! sounds weird yes, but it is a possibility.
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* or at least related to him.
* This is the first thought of many fans after his initial appearance. Mostly because of the hair. There's not many evidence to support this theory though. So far, beside his hair, the only evidence point to this is Gin's shocked expression upon seeing him (this could also be because of the cannon), his badassery and the fact that his BattleAura was so powerful that it instilled fear upon Okita (Shouyo did something similar to the bullies who was bullying his students).
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And the one who slashed Takasugi's eye is one of the Tendoshu, as seen by his hat and cloak.
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* Jossed
* Jossed
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** Seems jossed so far.
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[[WMG: Kurokono Tasuke is actually future Shinpachi.]]
He got stuck in the past at the end of the second movie. That's also explain why everybody constantly forget about him, it's because he lost his glasses.
He got stuck in the past at the end of the second movie. That's also explain why everybody constantly forget about him, it's because he lost his glasses.
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* Jossed
[[WMG: Shinsengumi parallels with Shoyo's student]]
* Shoyo is represented by both Matsudaira and and Kondo, being the respected figure taken away by authority. Katsura is as weird as Kondou.
* Contrary to what most people thinking, Okita is actually representing Gintoki, because he is actually admired him, just like Kagura.
* Meanwhile, Hijikata - who had so much parallel with Gintoki - would actually representing Takasugi. This is because Takasugi and Gin is actually very similar, like two sides of coin. Hijikata and Gin relationship had the same vibe.
* This WMG makes a guess that if Kondou were executed, it's Hijikata who would actually pull a Face-Heel Turn, instead of Okita
[[WMG: Shinsengumi parallels with Shoyo's student]]
* Shoyo is represented by both Matsudaira and and Kondo, being the respected figure taken away by authority. Katsura is as weird as Kondou.
* Contrary to what most people thinking, Okita is actually representing Gintoki, because he is actually admired him, just like Kagura.
* Meanwhile, Hijikata - who had so much parallel with Gintoki - would actually representing Takasugi. This is because Takasugi and Gin is actually very similar, like two sides of coin. Hijikata and Gin relationship had the same vibe.
* This WMG makes a guess that if Kondou were executed, it's Hijikata who would actually pull a Face-Heel Turn, instead of Okita
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** He's actually more like Tae so far.
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* Well, jossed for Gintoki vs Takasugi's part at least
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** He's actually more like Tae so far.
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[[WMG: Zura will appear in the Shogun Asassination arc]]
In the current timeline, I mean.
In the current timeline, I mean.
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[[WMG: Speculation on Chapter 503]]
* [[spoiler: Shogun didn't actually die and AllAccordingtoPlan ]] or, alternatively
* [[spoiler: Shogun did actually die and AllAccordingtoPlan ]] perhaps involving DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist.
* It was AllJustADream which explains why Maizou (Suzuran's lover) [[spoiler: is still alive]]
* [[spoiler: Shogun didn't actually die and AllAccordingtoPlan ]] or, alternatively
* [[spoiler: Shogun did actually die and AllAccordingtoPlan ]] perhaps involving DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist.
* It was AllJustADream which explains why Maizou (Suzuran's lover) [[spoiler: is still alive]]
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...but not because of a fight, he died protecting Kagura instead.
* I just realized Sorachi plays the trope of good father, evil brother and good sister twice now, in Benizakura arc and [[spoiler: Shinigami arc.]] At the end of both arc, both evil brother pull a HeelFaceTurn and dying saving their sister. Umibozu, Kamui and Kagura fits the role. Plus that [[spoiler: during flashback in Shinigami arc, Asaemon protected her brother after he killed the prisoners by standing between him and her father. This is very similar with Kagura stopping Umibozu's fight with Kamui.]]
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* One might argue that the Gintoki/Kintoki silver and gold arc was already the Mary Sue OC arc, though that took place before either the Genderbender or bodyswap arc.
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[[WMG: WMG about Saitou from Shinsengumi]]
* He is actually a Renho. Thus explains his difficulty to talk and preferrence of writing method. Actually, all he had to do is to use a signboard. Renho can use both their hands to swap the board and writing quickly. Saitou just prefers to use swords instead.
* Alternatively, he is a Yato. Just look at his clothing, he covered all his body minus his head. His bright hair color is similar to other Yato. His afro hair is to protect him from the sun above.
* Another alternative : he's half yato AND renho.
* He is actually a Renho. Thus explains his difficulty to talk and preferrence of writing method. Actually, all he had to do is to use a signboard. Renho can use both their hands to swap the board and writing quickly. Saitou just prefers to use swords instead.
* Alternatively, he is a Yato. Just look at his clothing, he covered all his body minus his head. His bright hair color is similar to other Yato. His afro hair is to protect him from the sun above.
* Another alternative : he's half yato AND renho.
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[[WMG: During his life, Yoshida Shouyou was a troll]]
* Just look at his students. Even Takasugi is a bit silly in the flashback during the war. Plus, this is Gintama, everyone is bound to be a bit silly. He's probably acted like Katsura and Gintoki in the prison, criticizing fashion sense before he was executed.
* Alternatively, his personality is like Katsura. Their appearance looked similar after all.
* Just look at his students. Even Takasugi is a bit silly in the flashback during the war. Plus, this is Gintama, everyone is bound to be a bit silly. He's probably acted like Katsura and Gintoki in the prison, criticizing fashion sense before he was executed.
* Alternatively, his personality is like Katsura. Their appearance looked similar after all.
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* [[spoiler: Shogun didn't actually die and AllAccordingtoPlan]] AllAccordingtoPlan ]] or, alternatively
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[[WMG: Speculation on Chapter 503]]
*[[spoiler: Shogun didn't actually die and AllAccordingtoPlan]] or, alternatively
*[[spoiler: Shogun did actually die and AllAccordingtoPlan ]] perhaps involving DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist.
*It was AllJustADream which explains why Maizou (Suzuran's lover) [[spoiler: is still alive]]
*[[spoiler: Shogun didn't actually die and AllAccordingtoPlan]] or, alternatively
*[[spoiler: Shogun did actually die and AllAccordingtoPlan ]] perhaps involving DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist.
*It was AllJustADream which explains why Maizou (Suzuran's lover) [[spoiler: is still alive]]
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[[WMG: Gintoki and Oboro are related]]
I'd bet on brothers, as they look around the same age. Basing this mostly on their similar looks and combat ability: they both have white hair, (though Oboro's seems more wavy compared to Gintoki's curly), and they seem to have similar tactics, like using pieces of their broken weapons to attack the enemy. Both of them have also recovered from wounds that really should have killed them, too...
I'd bet on brothers, as they look around the same age. Basing this mostly on their similar looks and combat ability: they both have white hair, (though Oboro's seems more wavy compared to Gintoki's curly), and they seem to have similar tactics, like using pieces of their broken weapons to attack the enemy. Both of them have also recovered from wounds that really should have killed them, too...
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[[WMG: In the manga, Elizabeth is a yato member]]
Not the renho Elizabeth, the one from Benizakura. [[spoiler: Come on, Gintoki, Sakamoto and Takasugi each have yato allies.]]
Not the renho Elizabeth, the one from Benizakura. [[spoiler: Come on, Gintoki, Sakamoto and Takasugi each have yato allies.]]
