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* It would be the same thing as the Ettard and Alondite in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius''.

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* It would be the same thing as the Ettard and Alondite in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius''.''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn''.
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* Duma's appearence resembles a dragon, and Duma was capable of providing a sword that the wielder could use to deal with both himself and Mila, and said sword happened to be called The Falchion. And FE (as well as ''VideoGame/TearRingSaga'') has several examples of Dragons being worshiped by humans.
** "Duma's appearence resembles a dragon..." No it doesn't. Duma's appearance is a cyclopean pile of muck which can extend CombatTentacles.

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* Duma's appearence appearance resembles a dragon, and Duma was capable of providing a sword that the wielder could use to deal with both himself and Mila, and said sword happened to be called The Falchion. And FE (as well as ''VideoGame/TearRingSaga'') has several examples of Dragons being worshiped by humans.
** "Duma's appearence appearance resembles a dragon..." No it doesn't. Duma's appearance is a cyclopean pile of muck which can extend CombatTentacles.



** [[spoiler: Confirmed as of now. Gaiden's remake, Echoes: Shadows of Valentia, states that Mila and Duma are Divine Dragons who were exiled from their home continent]].

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** [[spoiler: Confirmed [[spoiler:Confirmed as of now. Gaiden's remake, Echoes: Shadows of Valentia, states that Mila and Duma are Divine Dragons who were exiled from their home continent]].



[[WMG: Duma had a child before his madness fully took him. [[spoiler: It was Nowi.]]]]

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[[WMG: Duma had a child before his madness fully took him. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It was Nowi.]]]]



* The general idea is sound, but the timeline doesn't quite add up. [[spoiler: Naga was still active when Duma destroyed Thabes (presumably because of Forneus' experiments), as she was the one who exiled him in response. Naga might have discovered later that [[TheExtremistWasRight Duma had a point about Thabes]] and moved to the city's ruins to keep watch in case whatever drove him to attack the city revealed itself, and died (or [[OnlyMostlyDead "died"]]) in the interim.]]

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* The general idea is sound, but the timeline doesn't quite add up. [[spoiler: Naga [[spoiler:Naga was still active when Duma destroyed Thabes (presumably because of Forneus' experiments), as she was the one who exiled him in response. Naga might have discovered later that [[TheExtremistWasRight Duma had a point about Thabes]] and moved to the city's ruins to keep watch in case whatever drove him to attack the city revealed itself, and died (or [[OnlyMostlyDead "died"]]) in the interim.]]



** In the manga adaptation, [[spoiler: Deen sacrifices himself to save Sonya and Celica from Grieth.]]

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** In the manga adaptation, [[spoiler: Deen [[spoiler:Deen sacrifices himself to save Sonya and Celica from Grieth.]]
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* The general idea is sound, but the timeline doesn't quite add up. [[spoiler: Naga was still active when Duma destroyed Thabes (presumably because of Forneus' experiments), as she was the one who exiled him in response. Naga might have discovered later that [[TheExtremistWasRight Duma had a point about Thabes]] and moved to the city's ruins to keep watch in case whatever drove him to attack the city revealed itself, and died (or [[OnlyMostlyDead "died"]]) in the interim.]]
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* [[Most witches are were sacrificed Duma, so they are devoted to him at the cost of their sanity. The only exception is Nuibaba, who has her own agenda that happens to be in line with the Duma Faithful's]]. [[AllThereInTheManual The Valentian Accordion]] gives us [[spoiler:her]] backstory where [[spoiler:Nuibaba sold her soul to Medusa after being murdered.]] Who's to say that [[spoiler:Sonya sold her soul to Medusa to further her research, while standing a better chance of keeping her sanity intact.]]

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* [[Most [[spoiler:Most witches are were sacrificed Duma, so they are devoted to him at the cost of their sanity. The only exception is Nuibaba, who has her own agenda that happens to be in line with the Duma Faithful's]]. [[AllThereInTheManual The Valentian Accordion]] gives us [[spoiler:her]] backstory where [[spoiler:Nuibaba sold her soul to Medusa after being murdered.]] Who's to say that [[spoiler:Sonya sold her soul to Medusa to further her research, while standing a better chance of keeping her sanity intact.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Sonya did become a witch in her ending, but it wasn't Duma she sold her soul to.]]]]
*[[Most witches are were sacrificed Duma, so they are devoted to him at the cost of their sanity. The only exception is Nuibaba, who has her own agenda that happens to be in line with the Duma Faithful's]]. [[AllThereInTheManual The Valentian Accordion]] gives us [[spoiler:her]] backstory where [[spoiler:Nuibaba sold her soul to Medusa after being murdered.]] Who's to say that [[spoiler:Sonya sold her soul to Medusa to further her research, while standing a better chance of keeping her sanity intact.]]
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* This ''would'' explain why Priam shows up in Valentia/Valm in ''Awakening''. Got curious about his distant ancestors, maybe? It does leave the question of how Ike got there, but, well, he ''did'' [[WalkingTheEarth travel the world]], and tine travel and other dimensional shenanigans exist in some [=FEs=]...

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* This ''would'' explain why Priam shows up in Valentia/Valm in ''Awakening''. Got curious about his distant ancestors, maybe? It does leave the question of how Ike got there, but, well, he ''did'' [[WalkingTheEarth travel the world]], and tine time travel and other dimensional shenanigans exist in some [=FEs=]...
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** And it ''would'' be an entirely in-character thing for [[EvilChancellor Desaix]] to do.




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* This ''would'' explain why Priam shows up in Valentia/Valm in ''Awakening''. Got curious about his distant ancestors, maybe? It does leave the question of how Ike got there, but, well, he ''did'' [[WalkingTheEarth travel the world]], and tine travel and other dimensional shenanigans exist in some [=FEs=]...
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** [[TakeAThirdOption Alternately]], [[spoiler:the Witch class exists just fine in ''Fates'', which (presumably) takes place long after Duma's defeat. Or, at the very least, he's never mentioned in that game. If women can become witches without selling their soul to Duma, it's possible for the ending to be [[ExactWords technically right]] while still having Sonya be okay: she became a ''Fates'' Witch and still has her soul intact.]]
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[[WMG: Faye and Conrad are leftovers from a scrapped attempt to add certain game mechanics from Awakening and Fates.]]
* Faye's unrequited crush on Alm almost feels like a mean-spirited TakeThat at a self-insert Avatar like Robin or Corrin, who could freely marry whomever the player wanted. The Villager class also gives her access to most of the other classes in the game, just like Kris. But whoever was in charge said nuts to that and replaced them with yet another UnrequitedTragicMaiden.
* Likewise, Conrad feels like an attempt to shoehorn future children into the game, given that his role in the story up until TheReveal is almost exactly the same as Masked Marth/Lucina's. But again, whoever called the shots rejected that idea before it could get too far off the ground, so they just re-purposed him into Celica's long-lost brother instead of her son (which still has its own potential consequences on the story, but nothing nearly as bad as future children).
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[[WMG: Alternatively, Faye is created to subtly bank in on Cordelia and Tharja's popularity]]
* She has Cordelia's unrequited crush (Catria is more known for other things, such as being the "middle sister") and Tharja's {{Yandere}} tendencies.

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[[WMG: Alternatively, Faye is created to subtly bank in on Cordelia and Tharja's popularity]]
popularity.]]
* She has Cordelia's unrequited crush (Catria started this trend, but she is more known for other things, such as being the "middle sister") and Tharja's {{Yandere}} tendencies.
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[[WMG: Alternatively, Faye is created to subtly bank in on Cordelia and Tharja's popularity]]
* She has Cordelia's unrequited crush (Catria is more known for other things, such as being the "middle sister") and Tharja's {{Yandere}} tendencies.
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[[WMG: Lima IV is slowly poisoned by Desaix.]]

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[[WMG: Lima IV is was slowly poisoned by Desaix.Desaix before his death.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler:The blood Foreus used to create Grima was Naga's.]]]]

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[[WMG: [[spoiler:The blood Foreus Forneus used to create Grima was Naga's.]]]]
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Priam's lineage had to come from somewhere.

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Priam's lineage had to come from somewhere.somewhere.

[[WMG: Sonya is the "canon" choice over Deen.]]
* Much like how Arran is implied to be the canon choice in Shadow Dragon, there seem to be a number of factors pushing Sonya as the canon choice in this game:
** Her increased plot importance as [[spoiler:Jedah's daughter, complete with a unique boss conversation with him in the remake.]]
** Her appearance in the "Celica's Army" summon focus in ''Heroes''.
** In the remake, Sonya is the only person that Genny has a support with. Deen's only support partner, Jesse, can already support with Saber.
** In Awakening's Gaiden Spotpass team, Deen occupies the tenth slot, which is normally reserved for the villains.
** In the manga adaptation, [[spoiler: Deen sacrifices himself to save Sonya and Celica from Grieth.]]
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* [[spoiler:Thabes is said to be the final resting place of Naga. Maybe some of Naga's blood was kept there as a holy relic and Forneus somehow got a hold of it. It could explain how the two of them are so linked despite Grima being an artificial super dragon. Sure, Naga is a Divine Dragon who is strong against other dragons, but Grima can only be defeated by Naga's power or utterly destroyed by his own power.]]

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* [[spoiler:Thabes is said to be the final resting place of Naga. Maybe some of Naga's blood was kept there as a holy relic and Forneus somehow got a hold of it. It could explain how the two of them are so linked despite Grima being an artificial super dragon. Sure, Naga is a Divine Dragon who is strong against other dragons, but Grima can only be defeated by Naga's power or utterly destroyed by his own power.]]]]

[[WMG: Genny's husband was Ike.]]
Priam's lineage had to come from somewhere.
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* [[spoiler:Nowi]]'s around a thousand or so years old, and came from the "left". When one looks at the map of the world, [[spoiler:Valm-I mean]] Valentia is on the "left", because it's west. Not only that, but [[spoiler: look at Duma's hairstyle and at Nowi's. They're ''very'' similar...]]
** Except Gaiden/Echoes occurs in between Shadow Dragon and Mystery of the Emblem, both of which occur 2,000 before awakening, meaning that unless one of the two can time travel, [[spoiler: Nowi has to actually be 2000 years old when she is stated to merely be 1000.]]

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* [[spoiler:Nowi]]'s around a thousand or so years old, and came from the "left". When one looks at the map of the world, [[spoiler:Valm-I mean]] Valentia is on the "left", because it's west. Not only that, but [[spoiler: look [[spoiler:look at Duma's hairstyle and at Nowi's. They're ''very'' similar...]]
** Except Gaiden/Echoes occurs in between Shadow Dragon and Mystery of the Emblem, both of which occur 2,000 before awakening, ''Awakening'', meaning that unless one of the two can time travel, [[spoiler: Nowi [[spoiler:Nowi has to actually be 2000 years old when she is stated to merely be 1000.]]



* [[spoiler:Thabes is said to be the final resting place of Naga. Maybe some of Naga's blood was kept there as a holy relic and Forneus somehow get a hold of it. It could explain how the two of them are so linked despite Grima being an artificial super dragon. Sure, Naga is a divine dragon who is strong against other dragons, but Grima can only be defeated by Naga's power or utterly destroyed by this own power.]]

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* [[spoiler:Thabes is said to be the final resting place of Naga. Maybe some of Naga's blood was kept there as a holy relic and Forneus somehow get got a hold of it. It could explain how the two of them are so linked despite Grima being an artificial super dragon. Sure, Naga is a divine dragon Divine Dragon who is strong against other dragons, but Grima can only be defeated by Naga's power or utterly destroyed by this his own power.]]
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** Except Gaiden/Echoes occurs in between Shadow Dragon and Mystery of the Emblem, both of which occur 2,000 before awakening, meaning that unless one of the two can time travel, [[spoiler: Nowi has to actually be 2000 years old when she is stated to merely be 1000.]]
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* [[spoiler:Her ending only says it was a rumor, not that she exactly became one. Duma is dead/asleep at that point, so there would be no way she could have lost her soul to him. Plus, she could have just taken Nuibaba's sweet crib as her own during her journey.]]

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* [[spoiler:Her ending only says it was a rumor, not that she exactly became one. Duma is dead/asleep at that point, so there would be no way she could have lost her soul to him. Plus, she could have just taken Nuibaba's sweet crib as her own during her journey.]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler:The blood Foreus used to create Grima was Naga's.]]]]
* [[spoiler:Thabes is said to be the final resting place of Naga. Maybe some of Naga's blood was kept there as a holy relic and Forneus somehow get a hold of it. It could explain how the two of them are so linked despite Grima being an artificial super dragon. Sure, Naga is a divine dragon who is strong against other dragons, but Grima can only be defeated by Naga's power or utterly destroyed by this own power.
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* It's quite odd for someone who keeps the land's riches for himself to appear unhealthy levels of skinny.

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* It's quite odd for someone who keeps the land's riches for himself to appear unhealthy levels of skinny.skinny.

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Sonya did not become a witch in her ending.]]]]
* [[spoiler:Her ending only says it was a rumor, not that she exactly became one. Duma is dead/asleep at that point, so there would be no way she could have lost her soul to him. Plus, she could have just taken Nuibaba's sweet crib as her own during her journey.]]
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* Nowi's around a thousand or so years old, and came from the "left". When one looks at the map of the world, Valm-I mean Valentia is on the "left", because it's west. Not only that, but [[spoiler: Look at Duma's hairstyle and at Nowi's. They're ''very'' similar...]]

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* Nowi's [[spoiler:Nowi]]'s around a thousand or so years old, and came from the "left". When one looks at the map of the world, Valm-I mean [[spoiler:Valm-I mean]] Valentia is on the "left", because it's west. Not only that, but [[spoiler: Look look at Duma's hairstyle and at Nowi's. They're ''very'' similar...]]
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[[WMG: Duma had a child before his madness fully took him. [[spoiler: Who was Nowi]].]]

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[[WMG: Duma had a child before his madness fully took him. [[spoiler: Who It was Nowi]].]]Nowi.]]]]
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* Nowi's around a thousand or so years old, and came from the "left". When one looks at the map of the world, Valm-I mean Valentia is on the "left", because it's west. Not only that, but [[spoiler: Look at Duma's hairstyle and at Nowi's. They're ''very'' similar...]]

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* Nowi's around a thousand or so years old, and came from the "left". When one looks at the map of the world, Valm-I mean Valentia is on the "left", because it's west. Not only that, but [[spoiler: Look at Duma's hairstyle and at Nowi's. They're ''very'' similar...]]]]

[[WMG: Lima IV is slowly poisoned by Desaix.]]
* It's quite odd for someone who keeps the land's riches for himself to appear unhealthy levels of skinny.
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* Likewise, Conrad feels like an attempt to shoehorn future children into the game, given that his role in the story up until TheReveal is almost exactly the same as Masked Marth/Lucina's. But again, whoever called the shots rejected that idea before it could get too far off the ground, so they just re-purposed him into Celica's long-lost brother instead of her son (which still has its own potential consequences on the story, but nothing nearly as bad as future children).

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* Likewise, Conrad feels like an attempt to shoehorn future children into the game, given that his role in the story up until TheReveal is almost exactly the same as Masked Marth/Lucina's. But again, whoever called the shots rejected that idea before it could get too far off the ground, so they just re-purposed him into Celica's long-lost brother instead of her son (which still has its own potential consequences on the story, but nothing nearly as bad as future children).children).

[[WMG: Duma had a child before his madness fully took him. [[spoiler: Who was Nowi]].]]
* Nowi's around a thousand or so years old, and came from the "left". When one looks at the map of the world, Valm-I mean Valentia is on the "left", because it's west. Not only that, but [[spoiler: Look at Duma's hairstyle and at Nowi's. They're ''very'' similar...]]
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** They did however change Leo's name to Leon.

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** They did however change Leo's name to Leon.Leon.

[[WMG: Faye and Conrad are leftovers from a scrapped attempt to add certain game mechanics from Awakening and Fates.]]
* Faye's unrequited crush on Alm almost feels like a mean-spirited TakeThat at a self-insert Avatar like Robin or Corrin, who could freely marry whomever the player wanted. The Villager class also gives her access to most of the other classes in the game, just like Kris. But whoever was in charge said nuts to that and replaced them with yet another UnrequitedTragicMaiden.
* Likewise, Conrad feels like an attempt to shoehorn future children into the game, given that his role in the story up until TheReveal is almost exactly the same as Masked Marth/Lucina's. But again, whoever called the shots rejected that idea before it could get too far off the ground, so they just re-purposed him into Celica's long-lost brother instead of her son (which still has its own potential consequences on the story, but nothing nearly as bad as future children).
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** [[spoiler: Confirmed as of now. Gaiden's remake, Echoes: Shadows of Valentia, states that Mila and Duma are Divine Dragons who were exiled from their home continent]].
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** However, the mural from one of the trailers for ''Shadows of Valentia'' appears to depict both Mila and Duma as warring dragons, giving this some weight. Admittedly, this may just be a stylistic choice for that one mural and not what they actually are. It's also worth noting that Naga, the godlike manakete who created the Archanean Falchion, is worshiped in Valm by the time of ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' some 2000 years later alongside Mila.
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** Jossed, it's actually Tobin.

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** Jossed, it's actually Tobin.Tobin.
** They did however change Leo's name to Leon.
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[[WMG: Mila and Duma are members of the Dragonkin.]]
* Duma's appearence resembles a dragon, and Duma was capable of providing a sword that the wielder could use to deal with both himself and Mila, and said sword happened to be called The Falchion. And FE (as well as ''VideoGame/TearRingSaga'') has several examples of Dragons being worshiped by humans.
** "Duma's appearence resembles a dragon..." No it doesn't. Duma's appearance is a cyclopean pile of muck which can extend CombatTentacles.

[[WMG: In the upcoming ''Gaiden'' remake, they will localize Robin's name as Reflet.]]
* It would be the same thing as the Ettard and Alondite in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius''.
** Jossed, it's actually Tobin.

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