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*** Aside the fact WordOfGod stated that Gilgamesh' ''firepower'' is the greatest among the Servants (thus a battle between Herakles and him could see him defeated even if he's serious), he could be caught by surprise because Ionoi Hetairoi apparently summon Alexander's army in ''parade formation''. First the Companion cavalry, then the Companion ''infantry'' (that was the actual unit we saw exterminating the Assassins), then the other elite forces. The Sogdianan horse archers and best Persian foot archers would be placed ''right behind'' the Companions, with lesser Persian units and the Cretans further behind. Between that and the dust from the charging Companions, Gilgamesh wouldn't see the arrows until too late to search and grab a defensive NP.

*** It is literally impossible by WordOfGod for a Servant to win against a serious Gilgamesh. As for arrows, he could simply take out any number of defensive Noble Phantasms while he prepares Ea. (Incidentally, taking out Ea doesn't take him any longer than it takes for any other Noble Phantasms. The whole unlocking process was something made up in the anime.)

** They would settle for Caesar for the following reasons: being a Roman noble he'd be more reliable than Gilgamesh (at least in theory); the Roman army was quite adept at dismantling the phalanx (they faced it in many battles, and ''always'' massacred it. Even Hannibal got his phalanx massacred the one time the Romans managed to force him in a head on battle), and Caesar being the great general he was he would be able to compensate for Alexander being smart enough to ''cover the flanks'' (how the Romans massacred the phalanx: they used their superior mobility to reach the flanks and started chopping) and use combined arms, so he could very well win; the smartass got everything he wanted from life ([[MagnificentBastard possibly including becoming a martyr when he was still loved]]), so he would be uninterested into the Grail. Of course summoning Caesar could still bite them back in the ass for five different reasons: Caesar being a very successful womanizer ([[AnythingThatMoves and not limited to women]]) there's the chance he would learn they would betray him in the end by an homunculus he seduced, and, given how Kiritsugu was able to accidentally subvert Irysviel, the much more charismatic Caesar would simply subvert ''all'' the homunculi to his service and have them slain the entire family in their sleep (easy and granting him success, while simply attacking them could end with him killed by combat homunculi); if they summon him too early he could take exception at the unnecessary pain they caused Illya (and Caesar would subvert the homunculi and have the family slain even faster); if he finds out Illya will be sacrificed to become the Grail Vessel, Caesar could take exception; Caesar being smart and not having a Mad Enhanchement keeping him dumb he would realize that Illya has been brainwashed into hating her father and adopted brother; maybe Caesar ''has'' an unfulfilled wish that nobody knew of, and would get rid of the Einzbern to prevent them from subverting Illya into his service.

* The assumption that archers in Ionoi Hetairoi relies on two things. One, Gilgamesh [[DidntSeeThatComing wouldn't see it coming]] (the one time he saw Ionoi Hetairoi in action the archers didn't use their arrows but produced swords and charged like the rest of the army). Two, Gilgamesh' armour ''lacks an helmet''. If he's lucky, Gilgamesh would at least get a few head wounds before producing an anti-arrow Noble Phantasm, and in the meantime the light cavalry would be able to cross the distance into melee range, forcing him to defend until the arrival of Alexander with the hetairoi or chariots (not sure if Alexander used them, given how easily he defeated Persian chariots, but Hellenistic kingdoms used them until the Romans started deploying caltrops), whichever is faster, at which point Gil would be trampled.

** Well, the other reason would be a demonstration of power. He does that every now and then to assert his status. And he wanted to show Saber what his kingship looked like. But yeah, otherwise, using IH against the Assassins was quite a waste of mana.

** I'd assume someone as powerful as Gilgamesh with such a huge, undefined arsenal of toys would have an anti-projectile defensive NP somewhere in his strange bag of tricks if he needed it.
*** Even if we ignore the Gate of Babylon, his armor can take several dozen blows from Saber (who has Strength B and Mana Burst) and Ea doesn´t take that long to charge, as we saw. It took him about 8 seconds to charge it to a level where he could destroy a city-sized Reality Marble once he stopped talking about how Iskander would lose.

*** Even if we ignore the Gate of Babylon, his armor can take several dozen blows from Saber (who has Strength B and Mana Burst) and Ea doesn´t take that long to charge, as we saw. It took him about 8 seconds once he stopped talking about how Iskander would lose.

[[WMG: English Dub voices!]]
* Kiritsugu: Creator/CrispinFreeman
* Saber: KateHiggins (Like in VisualNovel/FateStayNight)
* Rider: Creator/MichaelMcConnohie
* Waver: Creator/JohnnyYongBosch, using his [[Anime/EurekaSeven Renton]] voice
* Caster: SpikeSpencer [[VideoGame/BlazBlue (Arakune!)]]
* Ryuunosuke: YuriLowenthal
* Kariya: DanWoren
* Berserker: JamiesonPrice

** They would settle for Caesar for the following reasons: being a Roman noble he'd be more reliable than Gilgamesh (at least in theory); the Roman army was quite adept at dismantling the phalanx (they faced it in many battles, and ''always'' massacred it. Even Hannibal got his phalanx massacred the one time the Romans managed to force him in a head on battle), and Caesar being the great general he was he would be able to compensate for Alexander being smart enough to ''cover the flanks'' (how the Romans massacred the phalanx: they used their superior mobility to reach the flanks and started chopping) and use combined arms, so he could very well win; the smartass got everything he wanted from life ([[MagnificentBastard possibly including becoming a martyr when he was still loved]]), so he would be uninterested into the Grail. Of course summoning Caesar could still bite them back in the ass for five different reasons: Caesar being a very successful womanizer ([[EverythingThatMoves and not limited to women]]) there's the chance he would learn they would betray him in the end by an homunculus he seduced, and, given how Kiritsugu was able to accidentally subvert Irysviel, the much more charismatic Caesar would simply subvert ''all'' the homunculi to his service and have them slain the entire family in their sleep (easy and granting him success, while simply attacking them could end with him killed by combat homunculi); if they summon him too early he could take exception at the unnecessary pain they caused Illya (and Caesar would subvert the homunculi and have the family slain even faster); if he finds out Illya will be sacrificed to become the Grail Vessel, Caesar could take exception; Caesar being smart and not having a Mad Enhanchement keeping him dumb he would realize that Illya has been brainwashed into hating her father and adopted brother; maybe Caesar ''has'' an unfulfilled wish that nobody knew of, and would get rid of the Einzbern to prevent them from subverting Illya into his service.

The army created by Philip II and used by Alexander the Great included not only the phalanx (who they used as an anvil to hold the enemy in place. In fact the main reason the Romans had such an easy way with Alexander's successors was that the successors only used the phalanx whose destruction the Romans had elevated to an art), but also light and heavy cavalry (the latter being the actual ''Hetairoi'' and the hammer that broke Philip and Alexander's enemies in the major battles), the ''Hypaspistses'' crack infantry (heavy infantry, lighter than the phalanx and used to guard its vulnerable flank and enlarge the breaks created by the ''Hetairoi'' charge) and light infantry equipped with ''archers''. Also, after Alexander conquered Persia his army started including the numerous contingents of infantry equipped with better and superior bows than those of the Macedons and Greeks at the time.
Now, imagine Rider playing it safe and ordering his archers (both Macedon/Greeks and Persians) to cover his charge...

The army created by Philip II and used by Alexander the Great included not only the phalanx (who they used as an anvil to hold the enemy in place), but also light and heavy cavalry (the latter being the actual ''Hetairoi'' and the hammer that broke Philip and Alexander's enemies in the major battles), the ''Hypaspistses'' crack infantry (heavy infantry, lighter than the phalanx and used to guard its vulnerable flank and enlarge the breaks created by the ''Hetairoi'' charge) and light infantry equipped with ''archers''. Also, after Alexander conquered Persia his army started including the numerous contingents of infantry equipped with better and superior bows than those of the Macedons and Greeks at the time.

* Rider: MichaelMcConnohie

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[[WMG: The events at [[UsefulNotes/{{Philippines}} Alimango Island]] occurred in the same time or universe as ''Tiktik: The Aswang Chronicles''.]]