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Think about it. He´s a Kotomine and what kind of Christian wouldn´t want to meet a real saint, much less capture her? There´s no doubt he has some kind of EvilPlan involving Jeanne.

*** Rulers are given a clear explanation of when they are summoned in Volume 2: Either the war must have an element that places uncertainty in the war (say, Avenger, the summoning of two different versions of the same Saber and the Nazis and Imperial Japanese Army fighting over the Grail) or that the Grail war will have a significant impact on the outside world. They most likely weren't summoned in the 4th and 5th because Angra Mainyu has influence on the rules and can scratch out unleashing a genocidal curse as "changing the world significantly" from the list.

She's the clone of [[FateStayNight Saber]]. Saber has an ahoge, except when she's Saber Alter. What's to keep the same for being true of Mordred? The question now is what exactly she's like when she DOES have her ahoge.

But why didn't we meet them in ''LightNovel/FateZero'' and ''FateStayNight''? Because they pissed off Gilgamesh: the Fourth's Ruler declared that Gilgamesh, having ruled Earth right before TheGreatFlood, was evil, and pestered him until Gil had enough and killed him, while the Fifth's Ruler discovered what was under Fuyuki's Church and was killed by Gil when he confronted Kirei about it.

But why didn't we meet them in ''FateZero'' and ''FateStayNight''? Because they pissed off Gilgamesh: the Fourth's Ruler declared that Gilgamesh, having ruled Earth right before TheGreatFlood, was evil, and pestered him until Gil had enough and killed him, while the Fifth's Ruler discovered what was under Fuyuki's Church and was killed by Gil when he confronted Kirei about it.

** This is basically canon. It's also [[WordOfGod been stated]] that the two Vlads are different.

**** It's not exactly out of the question if i recall right due to [[spoiler: 'Seig' being revived after that loss]]

*** Rulers are given a clear explanation of when they are summoned in Volume 2: Either the war must have an element that places uncertainty in the war (say, Avenger, the summoning of two different versions of the same Saber and the Nazis and Imperial Japanese Army fighting over the Grail) or that the Grail war will have a significant impact on the outside world.

*** My theory (admittedly, I'm working with partial information, but anyways...) is that in the first three Grail Wars, a Ruler-class Servant was summoned from the start. Since it was the Fourth War wherein the Church began sending one of their own to overse the Grail War, I figure that the Grail either lost the Ruler-summoning feature due to the damage done in the Third War, or the feature was disabled so that the Church could serve as supervisor without a Ruler meddling with things.

*** My theory is that in the first three Grail Wars, a Ruler-class Servant was summoned. Since it was the Fourth War wherein the Church began sending one of their own to overse the Grail War, I figure that the Grail either lost the Ruler-summoning feature due to the damage done in the Third War, or the feature was disabled so that the Church could serve as supervisor without a Ruler meddling with things.

** I was under the impression that a Ruler was summoned during the Third Holy Grail War because of Avenger. (Who messed up the entire system through both his Class and ambiguous alignment) The Greater Grail only summons a Ruler if things start becoming seriously messed up, I believe.

But why didn't we meet them in ''FateZero'' and ''FateStayNight''? Because they pissed off Gilgamesh: the Fourth's Ruler declared that Gilgamesh, having ruled Earth right before TheGreatFlood, was evil, and pestered him until Gil had enough and killed him, while the Fifth's Ruler discovered what was under Fuyuki's Church and was killed by Gil when he confronted Kirei about it.

** This needs to happen, and I'm all for it, but the FlashForward makes it look like Mordred will be the one to defeat Siegfried or Homunculus for good.

Cause Dammit, Karna vs Siegfried round two must happen!

[[WMG: The Homunculus will sacrifice himself to resummons Siegfried to be Fiore's servant when it looks like the Red Team is about to win.]]

She's the clone of [[FateStayNight Saber]]. Saber has an ahoge, except when she's Saber Alter. What's to keep the same for being true of Mordred? The question now is what exactly she's like when she DOES have her ahoge.

** I´d say this is plausible, but it isn´t. The Grail got stolen after the 3rd War, So Shirou would still be a child at this point in time.

The clue to this is in Shirou's last name. Which means that Shirou was raised by a complete sociopath, and was in turn given a skewed moral compass.

Think about it. He´s a Kotomine and what kind of Christian wouldn´t want to meet a real saint, much less capture her? There´s no doubt he has some kind of EvilPlan involving Jeanne.

You can summon Heroic Spirits from any point in time--why not from a different timeline? Besides, EMIYA probably won't exist in the main timeline given the events of ''stay night''. The two Vlads are simply from different timelines.

You can summon Heroic Spirits from any point in time, and EMIYA probably won't exist in the main timeline given the events of ''stay night''. The two Vlads are simply from different timelines.