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TheReveal that the two are [[spoiler:unknowingly half-siblings]] seems like a built-in reason for Credence to [[InTheBlood go dark]], but that seems almost too predictable. Also, let's remember, Credence has been manipulated by a Dark wizard (this one, in fact, although he's not likely to realize that until some point later) before. He may be OlderAndWiser now, and probably wary of people that want to use him as a weapon. He may turn in a later movie if he does - or he could serve as the morally grey character that picks one side or the other at a crucial moment.

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TheReveal that the two are [[spoiler:unknowingly half-siblings]] seems like a built-in reason for Credence to [[InTheBlood [[VillainousLineage go dark]], but that seems almost too predictable. Also, let's remember, Credence has been manipulated by a Dark wizard (this one, in fact, although he's not likely to realize that until some point later) before. He may be OlderAndWiser now, and probably wary of people that want to use him as a weapon. He may turn in a later movie if he does - or he could serve as the morally grey character that picks one side or the other at a crucial moment.
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** Creator/RichardCoyle has all but been confirmed to be cast as Aberforth for the third one.



*** [[spoiler:Dumbledore mentions an aunt in who's a witch ''Beedle the Bard''. His mother was muggleborn and since there's examples of muggleborn characters with wizard siblings (like Colin and Dennis) and ones with muggle siblings (Lily and Petunia, Hermione's sister who got cut because she wasn't at Hogwarts), we'll be safe and say she was his dad's sister. The last names would be different but for whatever, she could have had a bad husband or used magic to have a baby on her own and given him her last name. His dad might have had other siblings we don't know about either. A cousin seems more likely to me if they're really related. ]]

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**** Grindelwald uses the terms "brother" and "sister" quite liberally throughout the film in a metaphorical way.
*** [[spoiler:Dumbledore mentions an aunt in who's a witch ''Beedle the Bard''. His mother was muggleborn and since there's examples of muggleborn characters with wizard siblings (like Colin and Dennis) and ones with muggle siblings (Lily and Petunia, Hermione's sister who got cut because she wasn't at Hogwarts), we'll be safe and say she was his dad's sister. The last names would be different He mentions she was never married but for whatever, he never necessarily said she could have never had a bad husband or used magic to have a baby on her own and given him her last name.kids. His dad might have had other siblings we don't know about either. A cousin seems more likely to me if they're really related. ]]




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* Assuming the Aurelius thing is a lie (and I think it is), Credence's birth family thinks he and his aunt drowned in the shipwreck. That's why there's no record of him. His actual parents and any siblings could very well be alive.




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** The 1935 date has never been canon. It's an assumption that stuck. It's an inconsistency for sure but my guess would be that someone (either Rowling and the Davids or WB) wanted a second familiar face at Hogwarts and she was just the most logical person to use. Also, she says she's been teaching for 39 years in OooTP, not 39 years consecutively. She could have left and come back. Once again, it's an inconsistency but not a technical retcon.
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* It's also possible that he ''could've'' saved her from complications from the birth but chose not to and murdered her by deliberate inaction.
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** She brainwashed herself into being loyal to him and left a trigger that'd automatically undo the brainwashing after she passed the loyalty test.

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** She magically brainwashed herself into being loyal to him (spells to delete and edit memories do exist in canon) and left a trigger that'd automatically undo the brainwashing after she passed the loyalty test.
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** She brainwashed herself into being loyal to him and left a trigger that'd automatically undo the brainwashing after she passed the loyalty test.
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* We haven't been repeatedly shown that magic can be used to easily circumvent severe physical damage and diseases - it's only ever stated that wizards and witches can heal most minor to modern physical injuries easier and they are less likely to succumb to certain non-magical illnesses and diseases. Why do certain sections of the fandom think 'Avada Kedavra' is the only way someone in the wizarding world can die? If the script says she died by childbirth and the wizards and witches in the story believe it, I think it's more believable that she would've died in childbirth, people. Come on. Such a death involved complications with the giving of life, and would render physical damage to the body severe enough that it would be effective in killing a witch as much as a non-magical woman.

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* We haven't been repeatedly shown that magic can be used to easily circumvent severe physical damage and diseases - it's only ever stated that wizards and witches can heal most minor to modern moderate physical injuries easier and they are less likely to succumb to certain non-magical illnesses and diseases. Why do certain sections of the fandom think 'Avada Kedavra' is the only way someone in the wizarding world can die? If the script says she died by childbirth and the wizards and witches in the story believe it, I think it's more believable that she would've died in childbirth, people. Come on. Such a death involved complications with the giving of life, and would render physical damage to the body severe enough that it would be effective in killing a witch as much as a non-magical woman.
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**Women turning into snakes are not "normal" for wizards and witches; you're missing the point of the show. The Circus Arcanus is a place where magical "underbeings" are displayed for the population, as they have a magical affliction of sorts that renders them disabled and therefore odd to the wizarding community. "Fireworks out of wands" is not one of the acts, it's a side-trick to entertain passerby. If you were paying attention, you'd know that Nagini's ability to become a snake is not an ability, it's an unstoppable blood disease that will eventually turn her into a snake forever. So this theory is unsupported and overly-convoluted.




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*We haven't been repeatedly shown that magic can be used to easily circumvent severe physical damage and diseases - it's only ever stated that wizards and witches can heal most minor to modern physical injuries easier and they are less likely to succumb to certain non-magical illnesses and diseases. Why do certain sections of the fandom think 'Avada Kedavra' is the only way someone in the wizarding world can die? If the script says she died by childbirth and the wizards and witches in the story believe it, I think it's more believable that she would've died in childbirth, people. Come on. Such a death involved complications with the giving of life, and would render physical damage to the body severe enough that it would be effective in killing a witch as much as a non-magical woman.
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*How did she step through the fire in this case? The spell burns anyone who isn't totally loyal.
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*** [[spoiler:Dumbledore mentions an aunt in who's a witch ''Beedle the Bard''. His mother was muggleborn and since there's examples of muggleborn characters with wizard siblings (like Colin and Dennis) and ones with muggle siblings (Lily and Petunia, Hermione's sister who got cut because she wasn't at Hogwarts), we'll be safe and say she was his dad's sister. The last names would be different but for whatever, she could have had a bad husband or used magic to have a baby on her own and given him her last name. His dad might have had other siblings we don't know about either. A cousin seems more likely to me if they're really related. ]]




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** I rewatched this not too long ago and got the same impression. It seems like a $200 million episode of a tv show, not a movie.

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Severus Snape, Credence theory


**** Depending on what Grindelwald's vision is based on, he may have really foreseen Severus Snape, and only misinterpreted the vision as being of an Obscurial. Perhaps Grindelwald perceived and read too much into Snape's dark and sinister appearance and antisocial behavior. With Grindelwald not knowing that Albus Dumbledore died voluntarily, Grindelwald might have assumed the killer must have had tremendous magical power to be able to commit such a murder. Without the content and context of the vision, it's hard to say.




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**** [[spoiler:It's possible that Credence really is a Dumbledore, and Grindelwald is only lying about which branch he comes from. That is, Grindelwald claims he's a brother of Albus and Aberforth, when he's actually a cousin.]]
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* At this point, [[spoiler:we're fairly sure that Dumbledore's parents are either dead or in Azkaban, and Ariana is definitely dead, but we know nothinga botu what Aberforth got up to after Ariana's death; is it that implausible to assume that he went on a grieving drunken bender (or the wizarding equivalent) that resulted in him conceiving a child he still doesn't know about]]?
** As for why [[spoiler:Grindlewald claimed that Credence was Dumbledore's brother rather than identify him as Dumbledore's nephew... well, it gives Credence less reason to look for other relatives]].

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* At this point, [[spoiler:we're fairly sure that Dumbledore's parents are either dead or in Azkaban, and Ariana is definitely dead, but we know nothinga botu nothing about what Aberforth got up to after Ariana's death; death beyond that he eventually ended up as the owner of the Hog's Head. With so much unknown about his history, is it that implausible to assume that he after Ariana's death, Aberforth went on a grieving drunken bender (or the wizarding equivalent) that resulted in him conceiving a child he still doesn't know about]]?
** As for why [[spoiler:Grindlewald claimed that Credence was Dumbledore's brother rather than identify him as Dumbledore's nephew... well, it gives Credence less reason to look for other relatives]].relatives and more reason to resent the Dumbledores; he might assume that they'd lose track of a son, but it's less easy to believe that they were genuinely ignorant of a brother]].



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[[WMG:Credence is [[spoiler:Aberforth's son]].]]
* At this point, [[spoiler:we're fairly sure that Dumbledore's parents are either dead or in Azkaban, and Ariana is definitely dead, but we know nothinga botu what Aberforth got up to after Ariana's death; is it that implausible to assume that he went on a grieving drunken bender (or the wizarding equivalent) that resulted in him conceiving a child he still doesn't know about]]?
** As for why [[spoiler:Grindlewald claimed that Credence was Dumbledore's brother rather than identify him as Dumbledore's nephew... well, it gives Credence less reason to look for other relatives]].
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[[WMG: Newt will discover a never before seen creature in the third installment.]]
The next movie has not yet been named but will take place in Brazil. Think of all the unusual species that could be hiding out in the rain forest. Newt's Wizard Card mentions him studying fire slugs. Perhaps in this journey to Brazil, he discovers them but doesn't have time to study them as long as he'd like. The caipora and/or curupira may also make an appearance.

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[[WMG: If it isn't him [[spoiler:Credence's Pheonix will fight Fawkes]] ]]
It's been speculated above that the [[spoiler:Pheonix]] that Grindelwald gives Credence is [[spoiler:Fawkes]]. If [[RedHerring this is not true]] then ultimately [[spoiler:the real Fawkes]] will have to be introduced, possibly being found by Newt, and if so then it is possible during a great battle [[spoiler:Fawkes and Credence's Pheonix will have an airborne fight.]]

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[[WMG: If it isn't him [[spoiler:Credence's Pheonix Phoenix will fight Fawkes]] ]]
It's been speculated above that the [[spoiler:Pheonix]] [[spoiler:Phoenix]] that Grindelwald gives Credence is [[spoiler:Fawkes]]. If [[RedHerring this is not true]] then ultimately [[spoiler:the real Fawkes]] will have to be introduced, possibly being found by Newt, and if so then it is possible during a great battle [[spoiler:Fawkes and Credence's Pheonix Phoenix will have an airborne fight.]]

[[WMG: Newt is more powerful than he first appears.]]
As mentioned on the ''Awesome'' page during the 'Wands to the Earth' scene Newt and Theseus were able to hold of the fire with one hand, as opposed to Tina and Yusuf, who need to support their wand arm with their other arm. While it could be nothing it could also suggest that they are both particularly powerful wizards. If true it could also explain why the ministry would be so eager to recruit Newt to the Aurors, and why they are worried about the idea that he could be a support Grindelwald.

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Credence's Phoenix or Fawkes (if they are not one and the same)]] is the one owned by Dumbledore's grandfather]]
In the scene where he, effectively, briefs Newt on the situation in Paris, Dumbledore mentions that his Grandfather had a Phoenix that took flight when he died. It stands to reason that either this Phoenix is [[spoiler: the one that Grindelwald presents to Credence at the end of the film]] or it is Fawkes [[spoiler:(assuming of course that they are not one and the same).
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**** Except Minerva was named after her maternal great-grandmother, the [=McGonagall=] side of the family is all Muggle, and Robert did not know about magic - so that rules out the possibility of having a Muggle-born sister named Minerva that Harry’s Head of House was named after. Also, there is a deleted scene - that makes it into the extended cut - where Dumbledore calls her Minerva.
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[[WMG: If it isn't him [[spoiler:Credence's Pheonix will fight Fawkes]] ]]
It's been speculated above that the [[spoiler:Pheonix]] that Grindelwald gives Credence is [[spoiler:Fawkes]]. If [[RedHerring this is not true]] then ultimately [[spoiler:the real Fawkes]] will have to be introduced, possibly being found by Newt, and if so then it is possible during a great battle [[spoiler:Fawkes and Credence's Pheonix will have an airborne fight.]]
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*** I have 2 responses to this fact. Firstly, to my memory she is only referred to by her surname out loud, script only details are subject to change in the future. Secondly, it is possible that if not her mother, then this Mcgonagall could be an unmentioned aunt who, if they stick to the name on the script, could be the Potter-era Mcgonagall's namesake.
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We know from ''Goblet of Fire'' that it's possible to sneak someone out of Azkaban on the sly, provided you have the means to make it appear like they'd died there. We also know that Percival Dumbledore ''only'' allowed himself to be convicted because revealing why he'd attacked the Muggle boys would've exposed Ariana's Obscurial status. Once Ariana was dead, Aberforth knew his father had no reason to stay jailed, and his estrangement from Albus motivated him to free his only surviving immediate family from unjust captivity. Like Crouch Sr. decades later, he brought in a ringer - a transfigured goat, probably; we know he practiced "inappropriate" magic on them, and turning a goat into the replica of a human sounds fairly "inappropriate" - to take Percival's place in Azkaban, and Polyjuice Potion so his father could walk back out with him. Percival went into hiding, met a woman, and (being nine years a widower) married her in a Muggle ceremony, thus producing Aurelius. As Aberforth still suspected Albus of harboring feelings for Grindelwald, Percival never told his oldest son that he was alive and free, or that Albus now had a baby half-brother.

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We know from ''Goblet of Fire'' that it's possible to sneak someone out of Azkaban on the sly, provided you have the means to make it appear like they'd died there. We also know that Percival Dumbledore ''only'' allowed himself to be convicted because revealing why he'd attacked the Muggle boys would've exposed Ariana's Obscurial status. Once Ariana was dead, Aberforth knew his father had no reason to stay jailed, and his estrangement from Albus motivated him to free his only ''other'' surviving immediate family from unjust captivity. Like Crouch Sr. decades later, he brought in a ringer - a transfigured goat, probably; we know he practiced "inappropriate" magic on them, and turning a goat into the replica of a human sounds fairly "inappropriate" - to take Percival's place in Azkaban, and Polyjuice Potion so his father could walk back out with him. Percival went into hiding, met a woman, and (being nine years a widower) married her in a Muggle ceremony, thus producing Aurelius. As Aberforth still suspected Albus of harboring feelings for Grindelwald, Percival never told his oldest son that he was alive and free, or that Albus now had a baby half-brother.
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We know from the ''Goblet of Fire'' that it's possible to sneak someone out of Azkaban on the sly, provided you have the means to make it appear like they'd died there. We also know that Percival Dumbledore ''only'' allowed himself to be convicted because revealing why he'd attacked the Muggle boys would've exposed Ariana's Obscurial status. Once Ariana was dead, Aberforth knew his father had no reason to stay jailed, and his estrangement from Albus motivated him to free his only surviving immediate family from unjust captivity. Like Crouch Sr. decades later, he brought in a ringer - a transfigured goat, probably; we know he practiced "inappropriate" magic on them, and turning a goat into the replica of a human sounds fairly "inappropriate" - to take Percival's place in Azkaban, and Polyjuice Potion so his father could walk back out with him. Percival went into hiding, met a woman, and (being nine years a widower) married her in a Muggle ceremony, thus producing Aurelius. As Aberforth still suspected Albus of harboring feelings for Grindelwald, Percival never told his oldest son that he was alive and free, or that Albus now had a baby half-brother.

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We know from the ''Goblet of Fire'' that it's possible to sneak someone out of Azkaban on the sly, provided you have the means to make it appear like they'd died there. We also know that Percival Dumbledore ''only'' allowed himself to be convicted because revealing why he'd attacked the Muggle boys would've exposed Ariana's Obscurial status. Once Ariana was dead, Aberforth knew his father had no reason to stay jailed, and his estrangement from Albus motivated him to free his only surviving immediate family from unjust captivity. Like Crouch Sr. decades later, he brought in a ringer - a transfigured goat, probably; we know he practiced "inappropriate" magic on them, and turning a goat into the replica of a human sounds fairly "inappropriate" - to take Percival's place in Azkaban, and Polyjuice Potion so his father could walk back out with him. Percival went into hiding, met a woman, and (being nine years a widower) married her in a Muggle ceremony, thus producing Aurelius. As Aberforth still suspected Albus of harboring feelings for Grindelwald, Percival never told his oldest son that he was alive and free, or that Albus now had a baby half-brother.
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[[WMG: Aberforth Dumbledore secretly broke his father out of prison.]]
We know from the ''Goblet of Fire'' that it's possible to sneak someone out of Azkaban on the sly, provided you have the means to make it appear like they'd died there. We also know that Percival Dumbledore ''only'' allowed himself to be convicted because revealing why he'd attacked the Muggle boys would've exposed Ariana's Obscurial status. Once Ariana was dead, Aberforth knew his father had no reason to stay jailed, and his estrangement from Albus motivated him to free his only surviving immediate family from unjust captivity. Like Crouch Sr. decades later, he brought in a ringer - a transfigured goat, probably; we know he practiced "inappropriate" magic on them, and turning a goat into the replica of a human sounds fairly "inappropriate" - to take Percival's place in Azkaban, and Polyjuice Potion so his father could walk back out with him. Percival went into hiding, met a woman, and (being nine years a widower) married her in a Muggle ceremony, thus producing Aurelius. As Aberforth still suspected Albus of harboring feelings for Grindelwald, Percival never told his oldest son that he was alive and free, or that Albus now had a baby half-brother.
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[[WMG: Corvus Lestrange IV Murdered Leta's Mother]]
DeathByChildbirth, seriously? We have been shown repeatedly that, in the wizarding world, magic can be used to easily heal nearly any injury or illness except for those caused by the dark arts or magical diseases. Given Corvus's personality, it seems more plausible that he simply used Avada Kedavra on Leta's mother the moment he realized that she had given birth to a daughter. It is explicitly stated that he did not love ''anyone'' until his son was born, and we already know that he had no problem with using the Imperious Curse to get what he wanted.
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**** No, Severus Snape would not have formed an obscurus. If a wizard attempts to suppress their magic, then it wells up into a writhing ball of negative energy. Snape was practicing magic almost all the time at Hogwarts, and, as far as I know, his parents weren't abusive enough to warrant him to suppress his magic.
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**** Does that mean that Snape was an Obscurial?
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** Or at some point in a future film, there might be a moment where Dumbledore says he has some business to attend, and it's implied he's on his way to Wool's Orphanage.
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[[WMG: Tom Riddle will make a cameo in a future film.]]
Perhaps we will see Dumbledore's angst over facing Grindelwald in their duel, while he is a teacher at Hogwarts, and we will briefly glimpse Tom doing who-knows-what. We might even see him getting somewhat influenced by Grindelwald's actions, either admiring his greatness, deriding his failed rule, or deciding ways his own path to power will be different.
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women turning into snakes, fireworks coming out of wands and other such things are fairly normal in the wizarding world and hardly something wizards would pay to see. Instead the show is catering to muggle tourists who managed to slip through the masquerade illegally. Invitation only, muggles can only get in if another member invites them in. There is the possibility of a whole underground market, selling potions, oddities and other such things to muggles for a large fee.

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women Women turning into snakes, fireworks coming out of wands and other such things are fairly normal in the wizarding world and hardly something wizards would pay to see. Instead the show is catering to muggle tourists who managed to slip through the masquerade illegally. Invitation only, muggles can only get in if another member invites them in. There is the possibility of a whole underground market, selling potions, oddities and other such things to muggles for a large fee.
* Possibly supported by the chaos during Credence and Nagini's breakout. Tina seemed to be the only one who apparated out of the tent or used magic against the escaped beasts. Most of the crowd just seemed to be running around panicking and did not have wands drawn, as most wizards and witches would instinctively do in such a situation.




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** It could be an AuthorsSavingThrow. [=McGonagall=] became headmistress of Hogwarts after the end of the Harry Potter series, but her tenure in the position was very brief compared to Dumbledore's. At the time, J.K. had said it was because she was "getting on" in age, which made no sense given her canonical age in the books. This could be an attempt to {{Retcon}} that by making [=McGonagall=] much older in the ''Fantastic Beasts'' series.
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WW1 was the most destructive war in history at the time. Grindelwald will use this to show that Muggles are so destructive that they need to be conquered or exteminated. He will also persuade wizards to join him by showing how Muggle technology is developing to a point where they can put up a fight against wizards (we briefly see a flashback to Muggle fighter planes in one trailer).

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WW1 UsefulNotes/WorldWarI was the most destructive war in history at the time. Grindelwald will use this to show that Muggles are so destructive that they need to be conquered or exteminated. He will also persuade wizards to join him by showing how Muggle technology is developing to a point where they can put up a fight against wizards (we briefly see a flashback to Muggle fighter planes in one trailer).
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*** But Grindelwald tells Credence that [[spoiler: his own brother was the one who betrayed him. The implication there is that he's talking about Albus, who he wants Credence to kill.]]
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* Jossed. The movie's runtime clocks in at about 133 minutes, making it second-shortest after the first ''Fantastic Beasts'' film, which was just a minute shorter.

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* The two of them are portrayed as fairly close, but there's no hints of anything romantic. [[spoiler: And in the end, Credence leaves her to side with Grindelwald.]]




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* Confirmed. [[spoiler: Grindelwald escapes by swapping appearances with Abernathy, the MACUSA employee from the first film who's revealed to be on his side.]]




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** In the end, it's a mix between the third and fourth options: [[spoiler: Grindelwald kills Leta and recruits Credence ''and'' Queenie to his cause, but the heroes also recover the blood pact keeping Dumbledore from acting against him, with the hope that they can destroy it in order for him to join the fight.]]




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* Jossed. [[spoiler: The scene where Dumbledore looks into the mirror is him reminiscing about when he was still on Grindelwald's side, and serves as foreshadowing of the blood pact that keeps them from fighting each other.]]



[[WMG:Why is Queenie crying?]]
One of the most disturbing scenes in the latest trailer is a brief scene of Queenie crying hysterically. She's normally such a cheerful person so something really terrible must happen either to Tina or Jacob. It's a ForegoneConclusion that Tina will get her HappilyEverAfter with Newt, but Jacob has no such PlotArmor. Let's keep our fingers crossed that nothing permanent happens to him.
* I would assume so, since there's a Quentin Kowalski who's a Chaser on the American Quidditch Team who played in the 2014 World Cup.




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