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**** I think in that case IJustWantToBeNormal ''would'' set in. For [[@/SamCurt This Troper]], especially, came up with this conclusion after watching the sixth NonSerialMovie and found that convenient to consider Hiroki's life as a distillation of Shiho's life up to the gas chamber.
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**** I think in that case IJustWantToBeNormal ''would'' set in. For [[@/SamCurt This Troper]], especially, came up with this conclusion after watching the sixth NonSerialMovie NonSerialMovie. I decided there's no difference between Schneider's penthouse and found that convenient to consider TheSyndicate's jail; Hiroki's life a {{deconstruction}} of ChildProdigy[=/=]ImprobableAge while Ai as she is now is a distillation ''{{reconstruction}}'' of Shiho's life up to the gas chamber.same tropes.
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[[WMG: APTX-4869 was specifically ''aimed'' at Shinichi]]
Not exactly much in the way of direct evidence, but there's the possibility that while Shinichi was watching Vodka's deal, Gin (offscreen) was receiving a message from the Boss permitting him to field-test the apoptoxin in case he had to bump someone off. In this case, it would be a direct response of the Boss ''seeing Shinichi witnessing Vodka's transaction'', and intending Shinichi ''specifically'' to be Apoptoxin Guinea Pig #1. The problem is that this implies that the Boss has been shadowing Shinichi, and planning to have Gin and Vodka (or anybody else they could entrust with the apoptoxin) administer it when Shinichi inevitably notices some sort of Black Organization wrongdoing (read: pretext for administration). As for why the Boss would think to aim at Shinichi in the first place...Well, I ''am'' the one who placed the WMGs about Shinichi and Shiho possibly being related to Vermouth and/or the Boss...
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** Of course, there's the problem of the text she receives from the Boss warning her that she's taking her leeway too far. Then again, this ''could'' have been part of a masquerade to make Shinichi think she was just an employee if he woke up early. The Vineyard name meaning still works, though, if Vermouth is the Boss's sister, cousin, or wife (i.e. both Vermouth ''and'' the Boss carry the Vineyard name).
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** Of course, there's the problem of the text she receives from the Boss warning her that she's taking her leeway too far. Then again, this ''could'' have been part of a masquerade to make Shinichi think she was just an employee if he woke up early. The Vineyard name meaning still works, though, if Vermouth is the Boss's sister, cousin, or wife (i.e. both Vermouth ''and'' the Boss carry the Vineyard name).
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**** I think in that case IJustWantedToBeNormal ''would'' set in. For [[@/SamCurt This Troper]], especially, came up with this conclusion after watching the sixth NonSerialMovie and found that convenient to consider Hiroki's life as a distillation of Shiho's life up to the gas chamber.
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**** I think in that case IJustWantedToBeNormal IJustWantToBeNormal ''would'' set in. For [[@/SamCurt This Troper]], especially, came up with this conclusion after watching the sixth NonSerialMovie and found that convenient to consider Hiroki's life as a distillation of Shiho's life up to the gas chamber.
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**** I think in that case IJustWantedToBeNormal ''would'' set in. For [[@/SamCurt This Troper]], especially, came up with this conclusion after watching the sixth NonSerialMovie and found that convenient to consider Hiroki's life as a distillation of Shiho's life up to the gas chamber.
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** Well, do you know any real life detective? Even if there is actually a genius detective like Shinichi in real life, no one would have a clue about him. This career doesn't have a large popularity, so it's understandable that only people in legal and crime force will know about Shinichi and Hattori.
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** Totally agree! I've thought about this too. I think she'd be much happier staying as Ai than going back to being Shiho.
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** Totally agree! I've thought about this too. I think she'd be much happier staying as Ai than going back to being Shiho.Shiho.
*** Imagine yourself at 18 and turned back into a 6 years old kid. Would you want to go to school all over again? Not to mention that she's a genius, she'd be bored to death. Furthermore, she can't go and show that she's a prodigy, since then the Syndicate will know her identity right away. So, pretty much, she's gonna be pretending to be a normal person for life. Not a good life, I think.
*** Imagine yourself at 18 and turned back into a 6 years old kid. Would you want to go to school all over again? Not to mention that she's a genius, she'd be bored to death. Furthermore, she can't go and show that she's a prodigy, since then the Syndicate will know her identity right away. So, pretty much, she's gonna be pretending to be a normal person for life. Not a good life, I think.
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[[WMG: Subaru is MI6]]
Gosho Aoyama already did the whole, "They're an Organization member! NO THEY'RE NOT!!!" thing with Jodi, so it almost seems obvious that he's not a member either. But he's probably not FBI or CIA because we've already had characters from there introduced, and we already know that they're involved. Possibly he IS still Bourbon, but he's a double agent like Kir. And it was a little random that the Mouris would be invited to London by a random rich and well connected lady who lost her cat. Maybe it was on purpose so that agents could observe Conan a little less obviously (stranger in a familiar place versus stranger in a strange place). Maybe the woman is [[SherlockHolmes simply an employee of the British Government]].
Gosho Aoyama already did the whole, "They're an Organization member! NO THEY'RE NOT!!!" thing with Jodi, so it almost seems obvious that he's not a member either. But he's probably not FBI or CIA because we've already had characters from there introduced, and we already know that they're involved. Possibly he IS still Bourbon, but he's a double agent like Kir. And it was a little random that the Mouris would be invited to London by a random rich and well connected lady who lost her cat. Maybe it was on purpose so that agents could observe Conan a little less obviously (stranger in a familiar place versus stranger in a strange place). Maybe the woman is [[SherlockHolmes simply an employee of the British Government]].
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[[WMG: Vermouth is Ano Kata]]
It's in the name. Vermouth's real name (or so it seems) is Sharon Vineyard. Vineyards are where grapes are grown and grapes are used to make wine, which fits with the naming scheme of the BO. She pretends to just be the Boss's favorite though because she's worried that otherwise one of her underlings would try and assassinate her and take her place. She gave Conan the Boss's phone number on purpose because she's hoping he'll follow through and lead her to everyone all at once, which is also why she doesn't rat him out. She was disguised as that serial killer in New York to feel out how big of a threat the FBI could be, and killed Jodi's father personally because he was just that good. And how she's currently staying young is running out, so she's looking for a new source of immortality, hence the BO's seeming focus on immortality.
It's in the name. Vermouth's real name (or so it seems) is Sharon Vineyard. Vineyards are where grapes are grown and grapes are used to make wine, which fits with the naming scheme of the BO. She pretends to just be the Boss's favorite though because she's worried that otherwise one of her underlings would try and assassinate her and take her place. She gave Conan the Boss's phone number on purpose because she's hoping he'll follow through and lead her to everyone all at once, which is also why she doesn't rat him out. She was disguised as that serial killer in New York to feel out how big of a threat the FBI could be, and killed Jodi's father personally because he was just that good. And how she's currently staying young is running out, so she's looking for a new source of immortality, hence the BO's seeming focus on immortality.
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[[WMG: There will be [[OneHundredAndEight 108]] volumes of the manga.]]
* Prepare for waiting for a long time.
* Prepare for waiting for a long time.
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* Think about: What's left for her? The Syndicate was her whole life. She has no family to go back to, and she has a pretty good life with Doc Agasa and the detective boys. This is a chance to start over and use her talents for good.
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* Think about: about it: What's left for her? The Syndicate was her whole life. She has no family to go back to, and she has a pretty good life with Doc Agasa and the detective boys. This is a chance to start over and use her talents for good.
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* There is no way that watch has so many, so he has to get refills from Dr.Agasa. Because he is worries about the effects of it long term, weather it might kill him of stop being effective, he changes the sleeping recipe slightly each time Shinichi shows up for a refill.
[[WMG: Conan is followed by a [[DeathNote sympathetic Shinigami]] that provides new cases.]]
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* There is no way that watch has so many, so he has to get refills from Dr. Agasa. Because he is worries worried about the effects of it long term, weather in the long-term, like whether it might kill him of someone or stop being effective, he changes the sleeping recipe slightly each time Shinichi shows up for a refill.
[[WMG: Conan [[WMG:Conan is followed by a [[DeathNote sympathetic Shinigami]] that provides new cases.]]
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* Conan manipulated the families into those situations, always picking one person towards whom all the evidence will point, so that Mr. Moore would have a case to "solve." He might have even hypnotized the sucker so that they would believe themself guilty.
[[WMG: Haibara is lying about the terror thing.]]
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* Conan manipulated the families into those situations, always picking one person towards whom all the evidence will point, so that Mr. Moore would have a case to "solve." "solve". He might have even hypnotized the sucker so that they would believe themself themselves to be guilty.
[[WMG: Haibara [[WMG:Haibara is lying about the terror thing.]]
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He wanted to become the world's greatest detective. This kami therefore steers Conan in the direction of imminent murders (because practice makes perfect), and intervened to let Conan and also Ai defy the odds and survive the rejuvenation process.]]
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He wanted to become the world's greatest detective. This kami therefore steers Conan in the direction of imminent murders (because practice makes perfect), and intervened to let Conan and also Ai defy the odds and survive the rejuvenation process.
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Think about it. We '''know''' Gin is a professional killer. We know he usually doesn't do mistakes when he is killing people. But when, in the first episode, he gives Shinichi the poison that turns him back into a child, Gin is acting completely amateurish. Instead of making sure that Shinichi really is dead, Gin and Vodka just poison him with a previously untested drug and ''run away''. That is just too unprofessional for them - except if Gin never actually '''wanted''' to kill Shinichi.
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Think about it. We '''know''' Gin is a professional killer. We know he usually doesn't do make mistakes when he is killing people. But when, in the first episode, he gives Shinichi the poison that turns him back into a child, Gin is acting completely amateurish. Instead of making sure that Shinichi really is dead, Gin and Vodka just poison him with a previously untested drug and ''run away''. That is just too unprofessional for them - except if Gin never actually '''wanted''' to kill Shinichi.
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* David Xanatos from Gargoyles is the leader of the Black Organization, in fact he purposely shrunk Shinichi as phase 12 of his convoluted 47 part plan.
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* I kinda thought Subaru was Akai Shuichi in disguise. Why else would Conan let him into his house so readily? And Conan definitely knew something was up about Shuichi's 'death.' I don't believe he actually died.
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* Ano Kata's phone number sounds like the song "Seven Children." Agasa's pretty friendly with kids: Conan, Ai, Ayumi, Mitsuhiko, and Genta make five. Then could Shinichi and Ran make seven? In flashbacks Agasa has been seen spending more time with Shinichi and Ran than their own parents do, driving them around on cases and taking them on trips, just as he does for the Detective Boys now.
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[[WMG: Haibara is either a delibarate CaptainErsatz of [[TheXFiles Dana Scully]] or is an AlternateUniverse version.]]
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* I think it's been confirmed that the Black Org is searching for the recipe for immortality. That's probably what Ai Haibara and any other Black Org scientists were researching. And it seems clear that Vermouth found a de-aging substance somewhere along the lines. So, what if APTX was an attempt at an eternal youth serum, but instead the Black Org realized that it killed people without leaving a trace of how they died? So they started using it as a poison, not realizing that they had come closer to an eternal youth serum than they previously realized: in extremely rare cases (such as with Shinichi and Ai) it actually does de-age the recipient by about 10 years. This would explain both how the Black Org came across such a poison, why the poison did what it did to Shinichi, and why the Black Org believes Shinichi to be dead.
* I think it's been confirmed that the Black Org is searching for the recipe for immortality. That's probably what Ai Haibara and any other Black Org scientists were researching. And it seems clear that Vermouth found a de-aging substance somewhere along the lines. So, what if APTX was an attempt at an eternal youth serum, but instead the Black Org realized that it killed people without leaving a trace of how they died? So they started using it as a poison, not realizing that they had come closer to an eternal youth serum than they previously realized: in extremely rare cases (such as with Shinichi and Ai) it actually does de-age the recipient by about 10 years. This would explain both how the Black Org came across such a poison, why the poison did what it did to Shinichi, and why the Black Org believes Shinichi to be dead.
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* It seems clear that both groups are after immortality in some form.
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[[WMG: Ai has already figured out the antidote to APTX-4869, and is withholding it from Shinichi.]]
*Or she will have in the future, and then keep it from him until the (eventual) end of the series. She could be doing this for two reasons: 1) Because she knows that if Conan finds out that he can be Shinichi again full-time, he would rush to take it and blow their cover, or 2) Because she's in love with Shinichi/Conan and doesn't want him to be with Ran. My guess is that she's telling herself it's the first reason, but there's more of the second reason in there than she'd like to admit.
*Or she will have in the future, and then keep it from him until the (eventual) end of the series. She could be doing this for two reasons: 1) Because she knows that if Conan finds out that he can be Shinichi again full-time, he would rush to take it and blow their cover, or 2) Because she's in love with Shinichi/Conan and doesn't want him to be with Ran. My guess is that she's telling herself it's the first reason, but there's more of the second reason in there than she'd like to admit.
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** Totally agree! I've thought about this too. I think she'd be much happier staying as Ai than going back to being Shiho.
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*Think about: What's left for her? The Syndicate was her whole life. She has no family to go back to, and she has a pretty good life with Doc Agasa
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*The Black Organization are actually Patrio. . . La-li-lu-le-lo.
*The Black Organization is a faction of the Soldats, Ran Mouri is a potential Noir.
*The Black Organization is backed by Seele, everything in Detective Conan is moving toward the Second Impact.
**The mysterious Boss of the Black Organization is Seele 05
*The Black Organization is a faction of the Soldats, Ran Mouri is a potential Noir.
*The Black Organization is backed by Seele, everything in Detective Conan is moving toward the Second Impact.
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[[WMG: Shiho is either the daughter or niece of Vermouth.]]
This is in allusion to my earlier point about Shiho (and Conan) being blood relations of Vermouth's to some measure. Also, consider that although we haven't yet heard their finish, the last we hear of the cassettes left to Shiho by her parents sounds like the stock build-up to a revelation that she's actually adopted. Adding in the possibility that a genetic trigger is necessary to keep you from being killed by APTX-4869, it becomes very likely that Shiho was "rescued" from her actual parents by the adoptive ones; she may well have been at risk of being treated like a guinea pig or something, to see how much genetic drift can remain before APTX-4869 winds up killing you. Vermouth is an obvious candidate for this mother. However, if Subaru really is the head of the Black Organization, the possibility emerges that he's Vermouth's ''[[OlderThanTheyLook brother]]'', and also that Shiho might instead be ''his'' biological daughter.
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[[WMG: ''Ran'' is the Boss of the Black Organisation. Also, she is a man in disguise.]]
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I think the reason why she keeps making Conan confess that he is Shinichi every time she founds out is because she has to know if he is telling the truth. The more he manages to get her to ignore the idea, the more she would know.
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[[WMG: The Black Organization are Freemasons, the Illuminati, Skull and Bones Society, the Knight Templar, and/or Lizard People.]]
Why do you think they can achieve such secrecy? They have control over the banks, the politicians, and the media without no one knowing it. For all we know, Obama, Bush, Gates, Rockefeller, and Jay Z are all part of the Black Organization. Only Conan can stop the New World Order.
Why do you think they can achieve such secrecy? They have control over the banks, the politicians, and the media without no one knowing it. For all we know, Obama, Bush, Gates, Rockefeller, and Jay Z are all part of the Black Organization. Only Conan can stop the New World Order.
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[[WMG: Heiji is only pretending to be clueless about his feelings for Kazuha.]]
At first he was only pretending in order to annoy her and because he was embarrassed, but after he met Conan (especially the Desperate Revival and the arc where he and Kazuha were kidnapped) and seeing Conan's struggles, he started to truly realize how dangerous it was for a detective to be romantically involved and keeps up the act partly to keep Kazuha from getting even more involved with him and partly out of respect for Conan who can't be with Ran.
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Think about it. Both are detectives, both tend to stick their noses in other peoples deaths. And both have tendency to end up solving murders and all. They both smart, and know things that their not supposed to. So telling Ran that Conan and Shinichi are related is way easy to beleive, than that Shinichi is drugged and de-aged.
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Think about it. Both are detectives, both tend to stick their noses in other peoples deaths. And both have tendency to end up solving murders and all. They both smart, and know things that their not supposed to. So telling Ran that Conan and Shinichi are related is way easy to beleive, believe, than that Shinichi is drugged and de-aged.de-aged.
[[WMG: Ran knew all along that Conan is Shinichi.]]
I think the reason why she keeps making Conan confess that he is Shinichi every time she founds out is because she has to know if he is telling the truth. The more he manages to get her to ignore the idea, the more she would know.
[[WMG: Ran knew all along that Conan is Shinichi.]]
I think the reason why she keeps making Conan confess that he is Shinichi every time she founds out is because she has to know if he is telling the truth. The more he manages to get her to ignore the idea, the more she would know.
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Think about it. Both are detectives, both tend to stick their noses in other peoples deaths. And both have tendency to end up solving murders and all. They both smart, and know things that their not supposed to. So telling Ran that Conan and Shinichi are related is way easy to beleive, than that Shinichi is drugged and de-aged.
